Nadolazeći AMD socketi, ploče i procesori

[Beamazing]

Ja bi rekao da bude tu negdje oko 1600kn-1800kn u trgovini novi r5 7600.Samo nisu problem cijene procesora koliko su ploce poskupile.

[tuna3]

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[BusMaster]

AMD Ryzen 7000 Non-X 65W CPUs Launching On 10th of January, Ryzen 9 7900 Up To 35% Faster In Gaming Vs 5900X

Link: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000-...ming-vs-5900x/

[The Exiled]

AMD Ryzen 7000X3D series coming February, 16-core Ryzen 9 7950X3D features 144MB cache

AMD Ryzen 7000 series will be updated with 6 new CPUs. The company’s CEO Dr. Lisa Su confirmed today that Ryzen 7000 non-X will include Ryzen 9 7900 12-core CPU, Ryzen 7 7700 8-core CPU and Ryzen 5 7600 with 6 cores. All three are 65W SKUs, and they are targeting lower price points than existing X-series models, respectively at $429, $329 and $229. More importantly, AMD is delivering a highly anticipated update to its X3D family, thus far only with one member (5800X3D). The Zen4 product family led by Ryzen 9 7950X3D will feature up to 16 cores and 144MB of cache. This CPU will have 5.7 GHz boost, so just the same max clock as existing Ryzen 9 7950X CPU, however the TDP has been reduced by 50W to just 120W. The 7950X3D is not the only CPU being announced today. AMD is also confirming that Ryzen 9 7900X3D with 12 cores will also be available. This CPU will have 5.6 GHz boost and 140MB of total cache. Last but not least, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D with 8 cores will feature 104MB of cache, 5.0 GHz boost clock and TDP at 120W, so in this case it will be higher than Ryzen 7 7700X (105W). AMD is claiming 21% to 30% higher performance at 1080p with high quality preset in popular esports games.

Izvor: VideoCardz

[MegaSkot]

Gledamooooo....

[Disco]

OK, čitam malo što se piše.
Ako sam dobro shvatio non X serija je doslovno ista ta X serija samo je po defaultu uključen onaj EKO (65W) mod, i piše da je AMD rekao da se preko PBO-a mogu dobiti veće performanse tj natjerat CPU-e da se ponašaju kao X serija(AMD claims that with PBO (precision boost overdrive), you can raise the power limits for the these chips, and improve their performance by as much as 35%. This is similar to Intel's 65 W "locked" processors getting a free performance uplift by relaxing power limits in the motherboard BIOS level.). Dakle snizili su cijene pod izlikom non X CPU-a što je super....osim za ekipu koja je već istresla novčiće. Vrhunski potez i još jedan dokaz da se nikako ali baš nikako ne isplati biti early adopter.

A X3D serija je izgleda koncipirana kao i 5800X3D, tj 7800X3D ima zauzdan clock, ide ''samo' do 5ghz, dok 7900X3D i 7950X3D idu do 5,5 i 5,7 ili koliko već točno...nebitno, ALI nemaju izgleda cache za oba CCD-a, nego samo za 1 i taj je vjerojatno manjeg clocka, i 1 koji može dobro boostat ali nema dodatni cache. Vjerujem da će 7800X3D biti odličan i raditi kako treba, a sa ova druga dva ekipi želim svu sreću jer će ovisiti o win scheduleru da prebacuje npr igre na 3D CCD, a sve ostalo na boostajući CCD. A znamo da Ms slaže te schedulere bogovski.

I da nema 7950 non X i nema 7600X3D.

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[Exy]

Da, ovaj 12core i 16core sa tim pola pola cacheom u biti nema nikakvog smisla ali i AMD je skužio da treba ponuditi bespotrebno skupe stvari jer hvala Bogu kupaca ima
Vjerojatno će i bit brži od 7800X3D tamo gdje ih scheduler ne potrga . U biti ima smisla, velika je šansa da će i on sam bit brži od 13900K pa nema baš smisla sa novčane strane da ga pobijede samo sa procom za pola cijene, moraju i oni nešto staviti u kasicu prasicu.


A ovi non X modeli, nisam baš siguran da će se moć klokati kao X jer će nam AMD vjerojatno uvaljivati najgore binane primjerke kao non X modele. No nije bitno previše jer par sto mhz ništa ne znači. Sad je samo pitanje dal nekom nešto znače one intelove baby jezgrice

[ansha]

Mislim da ste mao preoptimisticni, AMD-ov slide sa best case scenarijima (a to je 1080p i to high) pokazuje oko 20% napredak i jednu iznimku od 30%. Prosjek svih igara je vjerojatno niti 10%...
Kad stavimo neku normalnu rezoluciju + ultra, prednost nad 5800x3d ce biti vrlo mala, sta opet znaci da ce biti tu negdje s Intelom....

[Disco]

A pričekat ćemo Stevane da odvrte bencheve pa ćemo znati sigurno.

[Exy]

Autor ansha

Mislim da ste mao preoptimisticni, AMD-ov slide sa best case scenarijima (a to je 1080p i to high) pokazuje oko 20% napredak i jednu iznimku od 30%. Prosjek svih igara je vjerojatno niti 10%...
Kad stavimo neku normalnu rezoluciju + ultra, prednost nad 5800x3d ce biti vrlo mala, sta opet znaci da ce biti tu negdje s Intelom....

To vrijedi za manje više sve proceve novije od 2-3 godine
Kad staviš normalnu rezu i ultra detalje, tak je svejedno koji proc imaš. Osim ako baš nisi na 4090 i igraš na high refresh na niskim rezama....
Zato i testiraju na 1080p sa 4090 što je komedija i priča za sebe, ali da, jasno je da žele postić da je CPU bottleneck.
Ali ako zen4 4d bude bolji od zen4 koliko je 5800X3D bolji od 5800X, AMD će opet imat top cpu.

[The Exiled]

Ukoliko budu 3D cache modeli u prosjeku 15% bolji od standardnih, to je to, taman da se nadmudruju s Intelom u kojekakvim rezultatima.

When AMD started shipping dual-CCD client processors with the Ryzen 3000 "Matisse" based on "Zen 2," the company closely collaborated with Microsoft to optimize OS scheduling such that high-performance and less-parallelized workloads such as games, are localized to just one of the two CCDs, to minimize DDR4 memory roundtrips. Even before "Matisse," AMD and Microsoft confronted multi-threaded workload optimization challenges with dual-CCX architectures such as "Zen" and "Zen 2," where the OS scheduler would ideally want to localize gaming workload to a single CCX before saturating both CCXs on a single CCD, and then onward to the next CCD. This is achieved using methods such as CPPC2 preferred-core flagging, and which is why AMD highly recommends you to use their "Ryzen Balanced" Windows power-plan included with their Chipset drivers. In non-gaming workloads that scale across all 16 cores, the processor works like any other multi-core chip, it's just that the cores in the 3DV-enabled CCD have better performance from the larger victim cache.

[Odinarius]

Nekako mi nema razloga da uplift ne bude jednako velik kao u prethodnoj generaciji. Čak i veći jer su frekvencije veće, a i veća bazna snaga procesora znači da će dodatnih 64mb cachea potencijalno biti bolje iskorišteno. Nagađam, naravno.
Naravno, samo na 4090, ostale grafičke su maxane već i sada. No, vidjeli smo i da minimumi znaju biti bolji 5800x3D.

[The Exiled]

Tijekom predstavljanja Lisa Su je naglasila kako je Zen 4 3D cache u prosjeku 15% bolji od običnih Zen 4 modela i da se to može očekivati, dok prezentacija tak jasno (uvijek) prikazuje najbolje slučajeve.

IMHO od svega pokazanog i najavljenog, ovo je najzanimljiviji dio priče, gdje sve ove chiplet LEGO kockice fino sjedaju na svoje mjesto.

AMD wrapped up the CES 2023 keynote by introducing new details on its ‘world’s first data center integrated CPU + GPU’. This concept has been proven useful for the consumer market, by combining CPU and GPU cores on a single die, reducing the footprint of such integration and increasing efficiency. AMD MI300 will take things to a new level, by using 3D die stacking technology and combining the CPU/GPU cores with high-speed memory. The MI300 is confirmed to feature up to 128GB of HBM3 memory, which can actually allow the CPU to be used without external memory. In AMD CEO own words, AMD’s new Instinct combines up to 24 EPYC Zen4 cores and CDNA3 compute architecture within nine 5nm chiplets placed on top of four 6nm chiplets. This technology will be the first time AMD is using 3D die stacking. Dr. Lisa Su confirmed that the chip is already in the labs and has showcased one of the chips during the keynote. The processor is officially coming in the second half of this year.

[emilblomsky]

Samo što će ti x3d modeli biti sigurno dosta skuplji od baznih.
Kao 5800x3d od 5800x.Koliko je razlika?

[Odinarius]

145€ trenutno. Ovo će biti i više...

Iako su zasrali Radeon, generalno su bili fer s procjenama koliko novi procesori donose. Da je Nvidia ili Intel, bilo bi odmah "up to 30%" ili bi cherry pickali još gore.