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Staro 22.02.2025., 23:36   #1
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Hard drives from the Seagate (1 - 2) Exos series are affected, including mostly models with 16 TB. But there are also reports on some 12 TB drives and occasionally models with 4, 10 and 18 TB storage capacity. Apparently not only models made from Seagates Exos family are involved. Now there are increasingly references to fraud with used Ironwolf HDDs for NAS. As with the Exos models, the SMART parameters are said to be deleted to disguise the operating hours.
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Staro 23.02.2025., 01:46   #2
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Prekrasno. Koliko li su samo ljudi zavaljali.
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Staro 23.02.2025., 09:09   #3
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Naivce koji misle ušparati na second hand disku kojima nije niti malo sumnjivo što datacentar disk namijenjen 24/7 abuseanju tokom 3-5 godina ima radnih sati jedva koji mjesec ako i toliko.

To je ko 15 godina star audi s Jakuševca sa “samo 70.000km”

Uvijek sam govorio da ti diskovi trebaju biti puno jeftiniji od onoga za što se prodaju.
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Staro 23.02.2025., 09:27   #4
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Da ,ALI ovdje se radi o drugoj vrsti prevare. Prodavali su diskove pod nove sa istim serijskim brojevima (nekoliko stvarnih SN za stotine diskova). Printali su nove naljepnice na diskove koji su služili za Chia mining.

Znaci ovdje ljudi nisu svjesno kupovali polovne jeftinije diskove.
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Staro 23.02.2025., 11:27   #5
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Meni su dva kupljena Seagate Exosa 16TB za novi NAS ionako sumnjiva cijelo vrijeme, realno nemaš pojma što ćeš dobiti.

Zadnje izmijenjeno od: domy_os. 25.02.2025. u 16:51.
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Staro 24.02.2025., 18:20   #6
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Mene fino pokakilo u avanturi nadogradnje diskova. Danas stigao novi Exos 16TB i jadan ni da se zavrti, samo klikce periodicno u pokusajima
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Staro 24.02.2025., 18:44   #7
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Ionako je vjerojatno jedan od onih fejk novih, a u biti rabljenih s resetiranim smartom
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Staro 24.02.2025., 18:50   #8
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Fejk? Bio je original zapakiran i kupljen kod nas, nije sa Amazona. Losa sreca...
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Ja koji god NAS sam slagao uvijek narucim jedan isti disk "viska" tj. za rezervu (za 4 sam uzimao 5 diskova, za 5 bay 6 a za 8 bay 9 diskova) tkao dau slucaju bad blockova ima novi za rebuild polja dok pokvareni reklamiram/trazim novi za kupit.
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Fejk? Bio je original zapakiran i kupljen kod nas, nije sa Amazona. Losa sreca...
Pa i moji su kupljeni u dućanu, došli zapakirani u vrećici, piše godina proizvodnje 2024., Uvoznik EZY Infotech d.o.o. Čakovec, a FARM parametar preko onog smart toola kojeg koriste kaže da imaju 23000 radnih sati.
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Staro 24.02.2025., 20:01   #11
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Pa i moji su kupljeni u dućanu, došli zapakirani u vrećici, piše godina proizvodnje 2024., Uvoznik EZY Infotech d.o.o. Čakovec, a FARM parametar preko onog smart toola kojeg koriste kaže da imaju 23000 radnih sati.
Jesi ih vratio/reklamirao?
To definitnvo nemogu biti 2024 proizvodnja kad su vec odradili 23000 sati tj. vise od 2.5 godine.
Sta kaze EZY na reklamaciju ?
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Nisam reklamirao. Nisu 2024 sigurno kad na njima piše datum proizvodnje JUL 2021. Tko zna što se sve pakira i na koji način dolazi na tržište.

Ne mogu ništa reklamirati ako ne kupim druga dva diska i sve prebacim na njih pa ova reklamiram i što ću onda s 2 viška diska? Jbg, baš podla podvala.

Mogu pitati EZY, al siguran sam da će glumit gljivu.
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Pitaj, to definitivno nisu novi diskovi ako si platio novie, jesi siguran da nisu bili "recertified" ? Oni dodju zapakirani kao novi ali imaju drugaciju naljepnicu (ja sam jedna takav dobio direktno od Seagatea priej 4-5 godina nakon reklamacije zbog BadBlockova, (pojavili se nakon nekih 2.5 godine), poslali su mi iz Nizozemske "novi" zapakirani ali recertified disk sa 6 mjeseci garancije.
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Staro 24.02.2025., 21:30   #14
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Recertified jasno piše na disku, odmah ispod loga.
Ne vidim da EZY uopće ima recertified EXOS-e na cjeniku, pa ako si dobio recertified diskove, a platio cijenu "novog", reklamiraj sve
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Nisu, evo ih:


Kad se ovdje unese:
https://www.seagate.com/gb/en/suppor...-replacements/

Serijski brojevi ZR701DHN i ZR701MKL kaže: Please contact the place of purchase i na hover-over "This product was originally sold as a part of a larger system. Please contact the system manufacturer or your place of purchase for warranty support."

Ako bi @robee mogao provjeriti svoj serijski?

Naručio sam za stari NAS 1 komad Toshiba 16TB pa dok dođe, ako ga good guys iz BoxNow ne unište, ide backup na njega pa će sve biti 1-2-3 + cloud za najvažnije.
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Staro 24.02.2025., 21:49   #16
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Recertified Exosi imaju kompletno bijelu naljepnicu, tak da je ok s te strane, ali je radio...pa nije ok.
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Staro 24.02.2025., 21:59   #17
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Kakva su to muljanja, pa to nije normalno.
Moj je ZR52T5JS, isto 2021.
Odakle to izvlace?
Inace ovo mi je prvi disk u cca 25 godina da je full neispravan.
Spakiran za povrat.
Znaci kada dodje drugi obavezna provjera smart-a...


Sutra zovem servis, pa cu ih pitati sto se desava i kakav je to nacin podvaljivati koristene diskove pod nove. Tesko mi je povjerovati da ih ima toliko nastancanih da jos prodaju one iz 2021. Trazit cu novi novijeg datuma.



Provjerio sam ovaj i isto napise kao i kolegi da je disk prodan kao dio veceg sistema te da se obratim trgovcu (u mom slucaju Ronis).

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Staro 24.02.2025., 22:48   #18
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Ako su diskovi iz factory refurbished izvora onda će SMART biti čist / uredan, čak i da su prethodno odvrtili miljonček sati rada.
Koliko znam, samo tvornica može obrisati / postaviti startni čisti SMART.
Ako su iz sumnjivog second hand kanala onda se tu vidi sati rada i ostalo.
Može on imati 10 sati rada ali ako je malo "opao" u transportu (bilo gdje) ježi ga.
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Mislim da je taj naš datum 2021. dobar jer je meni i bez ove cijele priče bilo sumnjivo odakle on sad u prodaji, ali ja sam to kupio za Božić i stajalo je u trgovini nepreuzeto zbog raznih obveza i sad kad sam sve složio kolega da link za to u drugoj temi

Najbolje je to što sam čekao da trgovina dobije te diskove 10-14 dana, a mislio da ću ih dobiti odmah i sve složiti preko praznika/blagdana. Kasnije se zaredali poslovi i zapelo.

Pa šta nisam mogao čekat još tjedan dana s preuzimanjem?!

Koliko sam uspio vidjet, postoje i fejk naljepnice na kojima piše datum iz 2024. tako da ni datum ne mora ništa značit.

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Ako su diskovi iz factory refurbished izvora onda će SMART biti čist / uredan, čak i da su prethodno odvrtili miljonček sati rada.
Koliko znam, samo tvornica može obrisati / postaviti startni čisti SMART.
Ako su iz sumnjivog second hand kanala onda se tu vidi sati rada i ostalo.
Može on imati 10 sati rada ali ako je malo "opao" u transportu (bilo gdje) ježi ga.
Ma nije, puno je to veća priča:
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Fraud-w...-10259237.html

https://nascompares.com/2025/02/21/u...k-your-drives/

Netko je našao način kako poništiti SMART, ali nije poništio taj neki FARM koji je Seagate-specific, koliko sam uspio skužit. Da je Seagate napravio refurb, obrisali bi sve.
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Pa kad sve može biti fejk, šta nebi bio i HDD, pogotovo većeg kapaciteta i cijene ?
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Koliko znam, samo tvornica može obrisati / postaviti startni čisti SMART.

Varaš se, na Seagateovima ti treba USB-TTL adapter od 3 dolara i možeš SMART vratiti na tvorničke postavke. Imaš info po raznim forumima koji se bave data recoveryem i popravkom diskova. Zato izbjegavam kupovati "nove" diskove sa oglasnika i od Kineza, postoji šansa da su odradili svoje u nekom datacentru pa su kroz neke kanale recikliranja završili opet na tržištu. WD je još gori po tom pitanju, njemu ne treba ni kabel nego se može softverski resetirati SMART, ali WD me ionako više ne zanima nakon svih svinjarija sa SMRom.

https://www.data-medics.com/forum/th...mmand-set.901/

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Staro 25.02.2025., 15:07   #22
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Staro 25.02.2025., 17:24   #23
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Prije par mjeseci sam uzeo rabljene Toshibe MG od 12TB.

Imale su par tisuća sati rada u NAS-u, ali je čovjek već u startu dao SMART report od svakog i cijena je bila adekvatna. S ozbirom da sam mijenjao diskove u 2 Synologya koji rade samo par sati mjesečno, trajat će mi još ohoho.
Uglavnom, tko neće WD, a sad bježi i od Seagatea, čekirajte Toshiba MG diskove. Ja sam zadovoljan.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 25.02.2025., 17:51   #28
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Seatool i HDsentinel zadnja ver. moze procitati FARM.


Mozda mi je i bolje sto je moj bio DOA nego da sam vidio xy sati rada...
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Staro 25.02.2025., 18:31   #29
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Zanimljivo. Prema ovome nađem kako smartmontools verzija 7.4 podržava čitanje "farm".

Prema tim parametrima moj recertificirani exos ispada da nije doživio katastrofu. Ne znam koliko se ovome može vjerovati jer ispada da je disk nov novcat došao k meni. Iako je moj dojam da disk i dalje radi korektno, ali mi je teško vjerovati da je imao nula sati rada kada sam ga kupio.

Code:
    FARM Log Page 1: Drive Information
...
        Power on Hours: 516
        Spindle Power on Hours: 322
        Head Flight Hours: 93
        Head Load Events: 1146
...
    FARM Log Page 3: Error Statistics
        Unrecoverable Read Errors: 0
        Unrecoverable Write Errors: 0
        Number of Reallocated Sectors: 0
        Number of Read Recovery Attempts: 0
        Number of Mechanical Start Failures: 0
         Number of Reallocated Candidate Sectors: 0
Code:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   081   064   044    Pre-fail  Always       -       128059258
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   089   089   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       104
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   071   060   045    Pre-fail  Always       -       11618832
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       517
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       102
 18 Unknown_Attribute       0x000b   100   100   050    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       8590065666
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   064   048   000    Old_age   Always       -       36 (Min/Max 22/36)
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       4
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       1147
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   036   052   000    Old_age   Always       -       36 (0 17 0 0 0)
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0023   100   100   001    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       95 (44 34 0)
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       8189340152
 242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       2196697266

Dakle, ili je disk stvarno imao 0 sati rada ili su resetirali sve parametre.
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Autor George Carlin
But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 25.02.2025., 19:51   #30
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[QUOTE=mkey;3791169
Dakle, ili je disk stvarno imao 0 sati rada ili su resetirali sve parametre.[/QUOTE]


Ovo drugo.


Kao što je kolega u postu 19 lijepo napisao


Citiraj:
Netko je našao način kako poništiti SMART, ali nije poništio taj neki FARM koji je Seagate-specific, koliko sam uspio skužit. Da je Seagate napravio refurb, obrisali bi sve.

Nebi Seagate riskirao reputaciju prodavajući refurbished pod nove. Presitna je to lova.
Svi su naučili lekciju sa WD SMR skandalom.
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