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Staro 21.06.2006., 01:42   #1
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2007WFP

Jel ima već netko?

Zanima me i kako je završila ona priča s bandingom? Znam da je bio neki patch koji zapravo ukloni sporni mod iz izbornika, ali jesu li promijenili nešto u hardveru (specijalno za nas u RH :clap: ).

Koje su alternative ovom monotoru kod nas? Na bit techu su nahvalili Viewsonic, ali nisam našao nekog da to prodaje kod nas. NEC?

Tnx!
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Staro 21.06.2006., 02:09   #2
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Problem je u Faroudja video chipu :
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"Dell has a firmware update that adjusts the ACC (Adaptive Color and Contrast) & ACM (Active Color Management) features, eliminating the banding issue when using the Desktop mode. All of these monitors have three display modes: Desktop, Multimedia and Gaming. The firmware turns off Faroudja video processing in Desktop mode. It remains enabled in the other two modes. Essentially, the updated firmware allows users to choose whether they want the Faroudja video processing feature on or off."
S obzirom da problem u stvari nije riješen nego samo zaobiđen (sam chip je i dalje neispravan) ne znam baš koliko je taj monitor dobra kupnja ... S druge strane cijeli problem je po meni malo prenapuhan jer Farudjin chip služi za skaliranja nižih rezolucija sa video ulaza (S-video i kompozitnog) na nativnu rezoluciju (1680x1050) tako da originalno nije ni trebao biti uključen u desktop modu a ne igra ulogu pri igranju i gledanju videa sa DVI i VGA ulaza. Najbolje je kao i uvijek osobno isprobati monitor...Kvaka je u tome što treba čekati novu reviziju (A02) ili vratiti monitor Dellu na zamjenu jer ne možeš sam promijeniti firmware a kad će nova revizija kod nas ko zna.
Dobra alternativa ti je stari 2005fpw model (ako ga još negdje ima) ili NEC MultiSync 20" 20WGX2. >>OVDJE<< se već vodila rasprava pa pogledaj malo.
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by Ernest Cline


At first glance
I probably appear to be a somewhat ordinary,
somewhat average looking fellow.
Calm, harmless, at ease.

But this is by design.
You see, it is through decades of research and rigorous training that I have crafted this façade of normalcy.

And now, through intense concentration,
I am able to function in a social setting.
I can speak at length with educated people about
pertinent matters of public importance,
such as literature,
or the current political climate in Europe.

I am capable of conversing with you
without ever revealing that just underneath the surface
of this manufactured veneer
there hides an altogether different person.
A monster, some might say.
My alter-ego.
He is the opposite of the image I project.
He is the antithesis of Cool.
He is the LAST person you want to get trapped in a conversation with.

He is The Geek.
The obsessive science fiction movie watching,
comic book collecting,
Monty Python dialogue memorizing,
Dungeons and Dragons playing GEEK
that I struggle daily to keep hidden from the world.

But The Geek Wants Out.

He want to talk to you.
He wants to give you his doctoral dissertation on why
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension
is the greatest fucking film of all time!

He wants to bitch slap you because
you’ve never seen Big Trouble in Little China.
What? Have you been living in a fucking cave?!

He wants to kick your ass in Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.
And he will.
Because he’s a fucking Geek.

And he wants his toys.
He wants the complete set
in mint condition,
still in the box.
He wants every item on the planet that is even remotely related to Ultraman.
Because Ultraman is Airwolf!

He could give a squirt of piss
about sports or politics or rhetoric.
Such things are of no consequence to him.
What matters is the release date of the next Lord of the Rings movie!

You see, The Geek can’t wait.
The Geek has no patience.
He wants what he wants when he wants it.
And all he wants is stupid shit!

He wants his own Tardis.
He wants his own light saber.
He wants to buy a DeLorean and he wants to drive it 88 miles per hour.

He wants movies.
He wants to see the Director’s Cut.
He wants the impossible to find Japanese bootleg with
6 minutes of never-before-seen footage.

He wants to watch Blade Runner. Again.
He wants to watch Brazil. Again.
He wants to watch A Clockwork Orange.
Again and Again!

But I deprive him of these things, as best I can,
until I can no longer ignore his voice
screaming in my head.

I am Jekyl. He is Hyde.
I am Bruce Banner. He is the Hulk.
Especially the Hulk from issues #272 to #378.

But no longer!
I am putting a stop to all this nerdy shit right now!
I’m an adult, for Christ’s sake!
And this body isn’t big enough for the both of us.
One of us has to go, and it’s gonna be him.
I banishing the Geek forever to the Phantom Zone,
just like in Superman II !
Because, in the end –
there can be only one.

Zadnje izmijenjeno od: crn. 21.06.2006. u 02:38.
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Staro 21.06.2006., 12:24   #3
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ali taj banding problem je stvarno prenapuhan.

ja sam razmišlja da uzmem neki drugi monitor nakon šta sam pola godine gleda u njega(tj. mlađeg brata 2005FPW).

Na dell forumima se priča kako problem u novim modelima više ni ne postoji.
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Staro 21.06.2006., 13:47   #4
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Ako misliš na tkz. 'backlight bleeding' tj problem nejednolikog pozadinskog osvjetljenja na starijim revizijama 2005 modela (koje je bilo posljedica lošeg sastavljanja monitora a ne same matrice koja je bila i ostala vrhunska) onda si u pravu. Taj problem više ne postoji na 2007 modelima.
'Color banding' je opet skroz drugi problem koji se manifestira gubitkom postepene gradacije boja kad je monitor spojen preko DVI kabela. Taj problem se javlja samo kod 2007 modela i riješen je novim firmware-om...
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by Ernest Cline


At first glance
I probably appear to be a somewhat ordinary,
somewhat average looking fellow.
Calm, harmless, at ease.

But this is by design.
You see, it is through decades of research and rigorous training that I have crafted this façade of normalcy.

And now, through intense concentration,
I am able to function in a social setting.
I can speak at length with educated people about
pertinent matters of public importance,
such as literature,
or the current political climate in Europe.

I am capable of conversing with you
without ever revealing that just underneath the surface
of this manufactured veneer
there hides an altogether different person.
A monster, some might say.
My alter-ego.
He is the opposite of the image I project.
He is the antithesis of Cool.
He is the LAST person you want to get trapped in a conversation with.

He is The Geek.
The obsessive science fiction movie watching,
comic book collecting,
Monty Python dialogue memorizing,
Dungeons and Dragons playing GEEK
that I struggle daily to keep hidden from the world.

But The Geek Wants Out.

He want to talk to you.
He wants to give you his doctoral dissertation on why
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension
is the greatest fucking film of all time!

He wants to bitch slap you because
you’ve never seen Big Trouble in Little China.
What? Have you been living in a fucking cave?!

He wants to kick your ass in Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.
And he will.
Because he’s a fucking Geek.

And he wants his toys.
He wants the complete set
in mint condition,
still in the box.
He wants every item on the planet that is even remotely related to Ultraman.
Because Ultraman is Airwolf!

He could give a squirt of piss
about sports or politics or rhetoric.
Such things are of no consequence to him.
What matters is the release date of the next Lord of the Rings movie!

You see, The Geek can’t wait.
The Geek has no patience.
He wants what he wants when he wants it.
And all he wants is stupid shit!

He wants his own Tardis.
He wants his own light saber.
He wants to buy a DeLorean and he wants to drive it 88 miles per hour.

He wants movies.
He wants to see the Director’s Cut.
He wants the impossible to find Japanese bootleg with
6 minutes of never-before-seen footage.

He wants to watch Blade Runner. Again.
He wants to watch Brazil. Again.
He wants to watch A Clockwork Orange.
Again and Again!

But I deprive him of these things, as best I can,
until I can no longer ignore his voice
screaming in my head.

I am Jekyl. He is Hyde.
I am Bruce Banner. He is the Hulk.
Especially the Hulk from issues #272 to #378.

But no longer!
I am putting a stop to all this nerdy shit right now!
I’m an adult, for Christ’s sake!
And this body isn’t big enough for the both of us.
One of us has to go, and it’s gonna be him.
I banishing the Geek forever to the Phantom Zone,
just like in Superman II !
Because, in the end –
there can be only one.
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Staro 21.06.2006., 15:27   #5
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Problem je u Faroudja video chipu :

Kvaka je u tome što treba čekati novu reviziju (A02) ili vratiti monitor Dellu na zamjenu jer ne možeš sam promijeniti firmware a kad će nova revizija kod nas ko zna.
Ti si car! : goood : Odlični su linkovi koje si mi dao, otkrio sam Widescreen Gaming forum. Problem je da što više čitam, to manje znam što da uzmem :confused: Vjerojatno ću pričekat 2007 koji mi se najviše sviđa, spojit ga na komp, pa odlučit.

NEC mi je OK, no ima ga puno manje ljudi - tko zna što bi na njemu sve našli da ga zagledaju kao Della?
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Staro 21.06.2006., 16:26   #6
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Kako već imam Dell 2005fpw i znam kako to izgleda uživo normalno je da 'naginjem' na Dellov model
Na stranu vrhunska matrica za koju se svi slažu da je uskrsla iz mrtvih IPS (S-IPS) tehnologiju tu je još i opremljenost monitora gdje je Dell skoro pa postavio neke standarde rezervirane za daleko skuplje modele - 4xUSB hub, S-video, compositini ulaz, VGA DVI-D, slika u slici, pivot, nativno skaliranje slike (1:1, Aspect, Fill), podešavanje u svim smjerovima - koje u zadnje vrijeme počinju pratiti i drugi proizvođači...

U svakom slučaju za koji god model se odlučiš obavezno ga isprobaj prije kupnje i sam procijeni.
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by Ernest Cline


At first glance
I probably appear to be a somewhat ordinary,
somewhat average looking fellow.
Calm, harmless, at ease.

But this is by design.
You see, it is through decades of research and rigorous training that I have crafted this façade of normalcy.

And now, through intense concentration,
I am able to function in a social setting.
I can speak at length with educated people about
pertinent matters of public importance,
such as literature,
or the current political climate in Europe.

I am capable of conversing with you
without ever revealing that just underneath the surface
of this manufactured veneer
there hides an altogether different person.
A monster, some might say.
My alter-ego.
He is the opposite of the image I project.
He is the antithesis of Cool.
He is the LAST person you want to get trapped in a conversation with.

He is The Geek.
The obsessive science fiction movie watching,
comic book collecting,
Monty Python dialogue memorizing,
Dungeons and Dragons playing GEEK
that I struggle daily to keep hidden from the world.

But The Geek Wants Out.

He want to talk to you.
He wants to give you his doctoral dissertation on why
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension
is the greatest fucking film of all time!

He wants to bitch slap you because
you’ve never seen Big Trouble in Little China.
What? Have you been living in a fucking cave?!

He wants to kick your ass in Star Wars Trivial Pursuit.
And he will.
Because he’s a fucking Geek.

And he wants his toys.
He wants the complete set
in mint condition,
still in the box.
He wants every item on the planet that is even remotely related to Ultraman.
Because Ultraman is Airwolf!

He could give a squirt of piss
about sports or politics or rhetoric.
Such things are of no consequence to him.
What matters is the release date of the next Lord of the Rings movie!

You see, The Geek can’t wait.
The Geek has no patience.
He wants what he wants when he wants it.
And all he wants is stupid shit!

He wants his own Tardis.
He wants his own light saber.
He wants to buy a DeLorean and he wants to drive it 88 miles per hour.

He wants movies.
He wants to see the Director’s Cut.
He wants the impossible to find Japanese bootleg with
6 minutes of never-before-seen footage.

He wants to watch Blade Runner. Again.
He wants to watch Brazil. Again.
He wants to watch A Clockwork Orange.
Again and Again!

But I deprive him of these things, as best I can,
until I can no longer ignore his voice
screaming in my head.

I am Jekyl. He is Hyde.
I am Bruce Banner. He is the Hulk.
Especially the Hulk from issues #272 to #378.

But no longer!
I am putting a stop to all this nerdy shit right now!
I’m an adult, for Christ’s sake!
And this body isn’t big enough for the both of us.
One of us has to go, and it’s gonna be him.
I banishing the Geek forever to the Phantom Zone,
just like in Superman II !
Because, in the end –
there can be only one.
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Imaš jedan mali problemčić... ako misliš uzimat della on ti sad rijetko di ima i u europi a u hrvatsku pitaj boga kad će doć u trgovine tako da ćeš ga teško kupiti

Nec ima jedan Kurtz sa foruma i kaže da je oduševljen pa kontaktiraj njega.
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Super, hvala vam na informacijama!

Skužio sam i onaj Philips s istom matricom, no ružan mi je okvir (i kod nas nema crni, samo srebrni). NEC ima glupo reflektirajuće staklo i ružni stalak, a DELL košta 5k kn + PDV i ima degeneričnih problema s bandingom... Also dakle, vraćam se u svoju pećinu spavati dalje. Probudite me kad izađe 2008WPF, FPW ili kako već....: hello2 :
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dell nema više problema s bandingom
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dell nema više problema s bandingom
Tko kaže? Molim da me se ne budi zbog lažnih dojava! : bonker2 :
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A kupi ga i ako ti bude s banding problemom ja ti dam nofce koje si da za njega ako ne ti meni daš 1000kn
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Bučeru, ti si smješan - radi dizajna monitora (koji je decentan i nije napadan) nebi uzeo monitor koji kod nas kosta skoro duplo manje nego slican takav monitor s istom matricom (DELL).

Ljudi u SAD-u/EU ne uzimaju previse ove Philipse jer su tamo po cijeni li-la sa dellom, a ipak dell ljepse izgleda, ima neke dodatne konektore i sl.

No za te pare (+1000kn) definitivno najbolji wide lcd na trzistu.
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Bučeru, ti si smješan -
Istina! : cheers2

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radi dizajna monitora (koji je decentan i nije napadan) nebi uzeo monitor koji kod nas kosta skoro duplo manje nego slican takav monitor s istom matricom (DELL). Ljudi u SAD-u/EU ne uzimaju previse ove Philipse jer su tamo po cijeni li-la sa dellom, a ipak dell ljepse izgleda, ima neke dodatne konektore i sl.
U pravu si. Dell je vani puno jeftiniji i u rangu s konkurencijom, zbog čega je i stekao famu. Kod nas je bezobrazno preskup.

Philips bi uzeo ako ima crni (i što je s onom spikom o dva modela, jedan s 8 drugi s 16 ms?).
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Evo Butch - nabavi još 2 pajdaša i kupuj :P

Dragi Bog zna da ti taj monitor neće pomoći kod UT skilla, ali neka - ako ga kupiš javi kako radi ....

Žderem se između Della, Philipsa i Nec-a, a 9. mjesec je blizu
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Evo Butch - nabavi još 2 pajdaša i kupuj :P
Aha, po mogućnosti da se zovu Todorić ili Rajić.

Mislim, Vranoga je dao stvarno poštenu cijenu, nema se tu što prigovoriti, no to je puno novaca za monitor. Pogotovo što se Dellovi support forumi čitaju kao horor štivo: mutne slike, mrtvi pikseli, banding, nove verzije lošije od starih, grozote! Jasno je da se radi samo o dijelu korisnika i da uglavnom ne postaju oni kojima sve radi OK, no svejedno - zastrašujuće!

I ja sam se troumio između modela koje spominješ, no na koncu sam odgodio sve do jeseni. Do tada će netko i u Hrvatskoj dobiti 2007, pa ćemo provjeriti ima li bleedinga, pokrenuti Dead pixel buddy, saznati što je s bandingom i koristi li EU model istu matricu u servisnom izborniku... Ako sve bude u redu kupujem, a ako ne čekam sljedeću generaciju. Možda i Philips u međuvremenu izbaci crni model : hello2 :
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O kojem Philips modelu se radi?

Vidim dosta poznatih imena ovdje, btw
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Bok Segre, i ti si tu?

Philipsov monitor koji skicamo je Brilliance 200W6CS, Paske je napravio poseban thread o njemu.
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Samo 3.6k kuna u Autronica, tolko ja platio 930BF (skoro)
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O kojem Philips modelu se radi?

Vidim dosta poznatih imena ovdje, btw
Gle fakat - pa to je Segregator iz skoro pa zaboravljenog klana pAzi metAk : CoolRamb

Hehe - još nam samo fale Hrc, mat42 i Basta - pa da okrenemo neki roštilj : nuts :
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Ovako:

dobio sam potvrdu od Dell-ove direktorice marketinga da 2007wfp monitori namjenjeni europskom tržištu nemaju problem sa bandingom. Naime, svi monitori za europsko tržište se proizvode u tvornici u Irskoj, kažu da su detaljno upoznati sa problemom i da ni jedan monitor nije izašao iz tvornice sa tim problemom. Proizvodnja u toj tvornici je krenula iza kineskih i američkih pogona.

Cijena za monitor je 4800Kn za keš sa standardnih 3god jamstva.
110Kn stoji nadoplata na 3g. DELL internacionalne garancije (next day on site exchange)

trenutno mogu primiti samo pakete od 3 ili više naruđbi...

091-899-3175
098-1987-332

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e blago nama kad nam domaći šverceri kontaktiraju s direktorima/direktoricama marketinga u Dellu
da niste možda bili i na kavi??
dobar fazon ali smisli nešto bolje
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