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Staro 09.04.2026., 11:22   #6001
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Ma nema tu takvog interesa osim u većim gradovima + primorje. Primorje dok turizam ne pukne skroz, onda će i tu biti puno manji interes krupnog kapitala. Dok prođu sve makinacije oko transformacije turizma, budu po Jadranu raštrkani veliki resorti a ovo između bude priroda uzela pod svoje. Pa će krenuti izleti po ostacima nekadašnje civilizacije

Ali situacija po pitanju privatnog vlasništva je na kraju identična u oba scenarija.
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Staro 09.04.2026., 11:36   #6002
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Hoće mi netko objasniti zašto je PNN za drugu nekretninu i dalje (po mogućnosti eksponencijalno) loša ideja?

Nekom logikom u mojoj glavi to bi trebalo posljedično smanjiti incentive da velike korpooracije gomilaju nekretnine i time umjetno drže cijenu visokom, što bi za posljedicu trebalo imati niže cijene za mlade ljude kojima trebaju nekretnine za živiti, a ne da ekipa čuva pare u ciglama. Što bi opet posljedično imalo pozitivan utjecaj na natalitet i mirovinski sustav trenutno osuđen na propast.
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Staro 09.04.2026., 11:50   #6003
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Hoće mi netko objasniti zašto je PNN za drugu nekretninu i dalje (po mogućnosti eksponencijalno) loša ideja?

Nekom logikom u mojoj glavi to bi trebalo posljedično smanjiti incentive da velike korpooracije gomilaju nekretnine i time umjetno drže cijenu visokom, što bi za posljedicu trebalo imati niže cijene za mlade ljude kojima trebaju nekretnine za živiti, a ne da ekipa čuva pare u ciglama. Što bi opet posljedično imalo pozitivan utjecaj na natalitet i mirovinski sustav trenutno osuđen na propast.
Zato jer jebe male iznajmljivače i ekipu sa vikendicama. Ali da, i ja sam za PNN na drugu, treću....
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Staro 09.04.2026., 12:11   #6004
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Dečki, možda je u meni problem, ali da li mislite da "velike korporacije" plaćaju PNN? Banke imaju izuzetak, "investitori" imaju izuzetak. I to ne prema zakonu, nema prema podzakonskim nazovi propisima. To je rezultat 100% dominacije birokracije. Pročitajte si moj sig ako želite više detalja.

U tome i je poanta, ljudi su kod nas za to da ih jebu, sve dok druge jebu više. Ili makar oni to samo misle da druge jebu više, njima je dovoljno uvjerenje da je tome tako.

U čemu je temeljni problem sa PNN? Dakle, radio si, platio porez na plaću ili dobit. Kupio si zemlju, platio porez. Kupio si materijal, platio si porez. Platio si izvođača, platio si porez. Platio si sav taj porez da bi imao pravi sjediti u toj jebenoj nekretnini i da te živo zaboli za obaveze. Jer ih nemaš, sve si platio.

I onda dođe do radikalne promjene pravila, i eto ti ga na, odjednom na to što je 100% tvoje, za što si platio 100% "obaveza", odjednom plaćaš rentu. A što se događa ako se renta ne plaća?

Završiti ću s ovim: onaj tko je OK sa PNN na drugu, treću i N-tu nekretninu, biti će OK i sa time kada N postane jednako 1. Jer, eto, nije pošteno, nije u redu da plaćaju samo oni koji imaju N > 1, jer ovo jer ono. Problem je u nerazumijevanju (ili bolje rečeno, odbijanju prihvaćanja) načela, ne u skupu prirodnih brojeva.

Jebu nas kao budale i očito će nas nastaviti jebati i očito nam je tako da nam tako i treba.
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Staro 09.04.2026., 12:23   #6005
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Banke imaju izuzetak,

Nemaju banke izuzetak. Upravo radi mogućnosti uvođenja poreza na nekretnine banke su krajem 2009-10 godine (kada se to prvi put počelo spominjati) masovno odustale od fiducije kao sredstva osiguranja potraživanja, i prešle na hipoteku, što im u praksi znači 4-8 godina ovrhe, i puno kompliciranija i sporija naplata.
Sa fiducijom bi postali vlasnici nekretnine odmah bez ovrhe, i onda samo ide iseljenje osoba koja su unutra.
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Staro 09.04.2026., 12:27   #6006
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Hoće mi netko objasniti zašto je PNN za drugu nekretninu i dalje (po mogućnosti eksponencijalno) loša ideja?

Nekom logikom u mojoj glavi to bi trebalo posljedično smanjiti incentive da velike korpooracije gomilaju nekretnine i time umjetno drže cijenu visokom, što bi za posljedicu trebalo imati niže cijene za mlade ljude kojima trebaju nekretnine za živiti, a ne da ekipa čuva pare u ciglama. Što bi opet posljedično imalo pozitivan utjecaj na natalitet i mirovinski sustav trenutno osuđen na propast.
Nikad oporezivanje nista nije radilo, kao sto vidis porez je uvedenog zbog jalnih hrvata i sad ce se samo dizati, prosirivati bazu i uvesti porez po vrijednosti nekretnine koja ce biti precjenjena bar 30-50%. Ja sam za to, ako mi porezna procjeni nekretninu po nekoj cijeni onda ako ja zelim mora je i otkupiti po toj cijeni.

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Staro 09.04.2026., 13:14   #6007
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Nemaju banke izuzetak.
Moguće da ja krivo razumijem broj 7 i 8. (konvertiralo mi listu u bullet, ima ukupno 10 točaka tako da vjerujem da je očito na što mislim)


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Porez na nekretnine ne plaća se na nekretnine:
  • koje služe za stalno stanovanje
  • koje se iznajmljuju na temelju ugovora o najmu za stalno stanovanje (najmanje 10 mjeseci u godini za koju se utvrđuje porez)
  • koje domaćinu određenomu prema propisu kojim se uređuje ugostiteljska djelatnost služe za stalno stanovanje
  • kada je onemogućena stambena namjena nekretnine (nekretnina nema infrastrukturu ili opremu ili uređaje koji zamjenjuju priključak na infrastrukturu)
  • kada se nekretnina ne može koristiti zbog prirodnih nepogoda
  • javne namjene i nekretnine namijenjene institucionalnom smještaju osoba
  • koje se u poslovnim knjigama trgovačkih društava vode kao nekretnine namijenjene prodaji ako je od dana unosa u poslovne knjige do 31. ožujka godine za koju se utvrđuje porez proteklo manje od šest mjeseci
  • koje su preuzete u zamjenu za nenaplaćena potraživanja ako je od dana preuzimanja do 31. ožujka godine za koju se utvrđuje porez proteklo manje od šest mjeseci
  • u vlasništvu općine ili grada koje se nalaze na njihovu području
  • u vlasništvu osoba koje se smatraju socijalno ugroženim građanima (ako je to propisano odlukom grada odnosno općine)
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Staro 09.04.2026., 13:30   #6008
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Lak za čamce je jedan od jeftinijih ali je na uljnoj bazi i smrdi dugo, bolje ti je premazati nekim kvalitetnim PU lakom tipa Caparol PU Satin/Gloss base (T) jer se brže suši, ne smrdi i možeš u jednom danu dati nekoliko ruku.
Na ovu temu, imam hrast na šanku, već je lagano počela impregnacija puštati.
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Staro 10.04.2026., 09:46   #6010
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Moguće da ja krivo razumijem broj 7 i 8. (konvertiralo mi listu u bullet, ima ukupno 10 točaka tako da vjerujem da je očito na što mislim)



koje se u poslovnim knjigama trgovačkih društava vode kao nekretnine namijenjene prodaji ako je od dana unosa u poslovne knjige do 31. ožujka godine za koju se utvrđuje porez proteklo manje od šest mjeseci



Ovo je namijenjeno za tvrtke koje se bave stanogradnjom, da im se ne desi situacija da tipa sagrade zgradu od 200 stanova, i onda ih lupi porez na nekretnine. A čak i toj situaciji, imaju "oprost" samo 6 mjeseci. Znači ako ne prodaju u roku od 6 mjeseci od dana unosa u poslovne knjige (nisam ekonomist, ali da bi se nešto unijelo u poslovne knjige, treba postojati, a da bi nekretnina postojala treba biti upisano u zemljišnik i etažirano ako se radi o stanu).




koje su preuzete u zamjenu za nenaplaćena potraživanja ako je od dana preuzimanja do 31. ožujka godine za koju se utvrđuje porez proteklo manje od šest mjeseci


Ista stvar kao i gore, nećeš platiti porez ako je od trenutka stjecanja vlasništva pa do 31.03 prošlo manje od 6 mjeseci.
Ako nekretninu drzis dulje od 6 mjeseci, opet plaćaš porez.


Ne vidim baš da ih je država nešto previše počastila, dapače tjera ih da se što prije riješe nekretnina.
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> Ako nekretninu drzis dulje od 6 mjeseci, opet plaćaš porez.

Ili jednostavno izvedeš neku vratolomiju, prelijevanjem iz šupljeg u prazno. Sve je to naklapanje dok se ne vide neki konkretni brojevi vezano za to koliko nekretnina drže banke te koliko su poreza uslijed toga platili. U međuvremenu ću zadržati zdravu skeptičnu perspektivu i pretpostaviti kako smo mi i oni jednaki i jednakiji pred zakonom, kako to obično biva kod nas.
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> Ako nekretninu drzis dulje od 6 mjeseci, opet plaćaš porez.

Ili jednostavno izvedeš neku vratolomiju, prelijevanjem iz šupljeg u prazno. Sve je to naklapanje dok se ne vide neki konkretni brojevi vezano za to koliko nekretnina drže banke te koliko su poreza uslijed toga platili. U međuvremenu ću zadržati zdravu skeptičnu perspektivu i pretpostaviti kako smo mi i oni jednaki i jednakiji pred zakonom, kako to obično biva kod nas.

Da te umirim, sada sam pretražio po OIB-u Zagrebačke banke d.d. Zagreb sve nekretnine na području RH.
Upisani su na točno 113 nekretnina na području čitave RH, to su pretpostavljam sve nekretnine gdje su im podružnice
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 10.04.2026., 18:03   #6014
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Nemoj to tako raditi. Em ćeš masno platit sve skupa, em to nitko drugi neće pregledati i voditi računa o tome kao ti sam za sebe.



U ovom slučaju "brigo moja pređi na drugoga" bi ti se mogla obiti o glavu, jedino ako te BK i samo želiš prodat što prije.
Kako da radim onda? Koja mi je opcija? Nisam doma, na terenu sam nekad po tjedan, dva ili tri. Mogu vikendima u tom periodu kada sam doma pogledati sta i kako.

Hocu rijesiti sve odjednom a ne raditi prostoriju po prostoriju i rijesiti to u zimskom periodu i ne da se to odvuce u nedogled jer i to onda isto kosta... Svaki dan moze otici pogledati zena sto se radi i kako, da bude kolko tolko pod kontrolom...
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Staro 11.04.2026., 20:15   #6016
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Kako da radim onda? Koja mi je opcija? Nisam doma, na terenu sam nekad po tjedan, dva ili tri. Mogu vikendima u tom periodu kada sam doma pogledati sta i kako.

Hocu rijesiti sve odjednom a ne raditi prostoriju po prostoriju i rijesiti to u zimskom periodu i ne da se to odvuce u nedogled jer i to onda isto kosta... Svaki dan moze otici pogledati zena sto se radi i kako, da bude kolko tolko pod kontrolom...
A jbg onda. Ne znam što bi ti rekao. Jer gle, nećeš ni ti sigurno skužit svaki fuš jer vj nisi građevinar, a ni oni ne vide što ekipa majmunira tamo. Ali moje mišljenje je da se ovako plaća nekoga ko uzima lovu a sada koliko će bolje nešto provjeriti od tvoje žene, to ovisi o samoj osobi. I uzmi u obzir da si ti vj samo jedan u nizu, tj ima vas tko zna koliko i tko zna kojim redom se obilaze nekretnine i koliko detaljno se sve pregledava. A opet, ako nemaš drugog izbora...onda nemaš.
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Izbor tih arhitekata je velika lutrija, iako ovisi o lokaciji. Ja sam se tu od prijatelja naslušao stvarno tužnih priča jer se ljudi stvarno ponašaju kao debili. Odnos ponude i potražnje je takav da su dobrim dijelom izolirani od prirodne selekcije.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Decki...kakva su vam iskustva sa spajanjem laminatnih radnih ploca? Naime u dilemi sam kod odabira radne ploce za kuhnju (Ikea). Uzeo bih njihovu ugradnju i sve jer se jednostavno nit imam vremena s tim zajebavat nit imam sve alate koji mi trebaju za to. Na odabiru imam Saljan (hrast) radnu plocu koja bi me ako uzmem 2 ploce (trebam 3.5m) mogu ih dobit odmah pa se na sredini kuhnje (gdje ce biti radna povrsina na sredini 80cm elementa) spajaju i kostalo bi me nekih 150 Eura ili da idem na opciju u komadu na koju se ceka 6-8 tjedana i kosta me 520 Eura. Malo sam skeptican oko izdzljivosti i vidljivosti spoja tocno na sredini kuhinje. Gledao sam i Karlby koji bi me sa 2 ploce kostao 450 Eura ali opet ne samo da me hebe onda taj spoj nego i gornji sloj drveni koji ljepse izgleda ali kolko citam nije bas dugovjecan ak ga ne odrzavas kak spada.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Veri najs. Gdje si kupio, sam postavio?
U lokalnoj željezariji, sam sve ispila i postavio.

Što se djece tiče nema ih u blizini
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Izbor tih arhitekata je velika lutrija, iako ovisi o lokaciji. Ja sam se tu od prijatelja naslušao stvarno tužnih priča jer se ljudi stvarno ponašaju kao debili. Odnos ponude i potražnje je takav da su dobrim dijelom izolirani od prirodne selekcije.

Je, poslje doktora i odvjetnika arhitekti su treće zanimanje po redu koji imaju ego veličine Boga.
Al ima ih više nego dosta, za razliku od recimo inženjer građevine (to nije dovoljno fancy zanimanje), pa se da naći i ok arhitekata.
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Je, poslje doktora i odvjetnika arhitekti su treće zanimanje po redu koji imaju ego veličine Boga.
Al ima ih više nego dosta, za razliku od recimo inženjer građevine (to nije dovoljno fancy zanimanje), pa se da naći i ok arhitekata.
Ali ne nadgleda arhitekt radove, ako pričamo o tome.
Ne znam točan naziv, ali frend mi je alergičan ako ga pitam da li je arhitekt.
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Ali ne nadgleda arhitekt radove, ako pričamo o tome.
Ne znam točan naziv, ali frend mi je alergičan ako ga pitam da li je arhitekt.

Može arhitekt isto nadzirati, ali više računaj da će ti on biti za vizul, nego za kvalitetu obavljenih radova.


Na temu nadzora, kada smo renovirali ured, uzeo sam dva nadzora, i inženjera građevine, i arhitekta, i građevinar me svejedno pokušao prevariti na najgluplji mogući način, na pločicama
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Imaš arhitekte koji vole udobnost svoje fotelje i imaš arhitekte koji vole visit na gradilištima
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Što se djece tiče nema ih u blizini
Može li se znati koliko je metar dužni (ili kako se već prodaje) tih alu letvi u boji hrasta?
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Može li se znati koliko je metar dužni (ili kako se već prodaje) tih alu letvi u boji hrasta?
Prodaju se po 3 ili 6m (pola ili cijeli profil), cijena je bila mislim 70ak eura po letvi, oko 2/3 cijene ukupne ograde. Antracit su u pola cijene ovih s dekorom.
Cijela ograda je izašla cca 1000e bez PDV-a za otprilike 15-16m dužnih.
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