Intel "Arrow Lake" LGA-1851 Info Thread - Stranica 4

The Exiled · 19.12.2024., 10:56

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GPU divizija im je najpozitivnija strana

, kako se stvari okreću u Intelu.

Da, tak bome ispada, a ovaj Robert Hallock jučer samo da nije briznul u suze od jada i to još kad ga dvojica "novinara" s probranim pitanjima, drže za ruku dok idu prek ceste zvane Arrow Lake. Tip je u jednom trenutku na rubu suza pričal o tome kak oni u Intelu jako brinu o svemu, nije ni njima svejedno da se ovo događa i da su ljudi nezadovoljni, a i on sam je svoju osobnu gaming mašinu prebacil na 285K i baš uživa u 1440p gamingu. Mislim si, pa čak da je sve ovo kaj je pokazal u opet standardnim Intel PowerPoint slajdovima - istina - sad ste već došli do siječnja 2025., ali nema konkretnog datuma. Kad stignu zakrpe negdje tokom siječnja, taman budu izašli 9950X3D i 9900X3D i onda bude Robert opet (pod uvjetom da ostane u firmi) moral u neko unaprijed pripremljeno i dogovoreno podcast gostovanje da objasni kaj se desilo s onim očekivanjima za siječanj 2025.

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Arrow Lake Retested with Latest 24H2 Updates and New BIOS

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In today's article we benched five configurations: 23H2 from October, 23H2 with the newest updates till today, and also added the newest ASUS BIOS into the mix, which includes the 0x113 microcode (not 0x114 yet). Then, we moved on to test Windows 11 24H2—first with a fresh installation that had no chance to update, so it lacks the KB5044384 package that includes Intel's fixes to the processor's power management profile. Finally, we updated Windows 11 24H2 with the newest everything, including KB5044384 and all other patches released this month. Just to clarify, in addition to "23H2 with new BIOS", all Windows 11 24H2 tests were done with the 1101 BIOS, too, which includes microcode 0x113. Our application results confirm that Intel has definitely improved things with their PPM update. Especially when comparing 24H2 only, the differences are noteworthy and bring much-needed performance improvements. However, compared to Windows 11 23H2, we see no meaningful advancements overall.

However, the whole claim is "6-30% (estimated)", which would suggest you'll see at least 6% in a majority of workloads—this is definitely NOT the case. Overall, the 285K cannot gain enough performance to make it a clear winner vs AMD's Ryzen 9000 lineup, or even 14900K Raptor Lake (it improves power consumption considerably though). Looking at the big picture, the 285K flagship remains slower than even the previous generation mid-range chip, the Core i5-14600K. It seems that Intel did not "fix Arrow Lake," but they "fixed Arrow Lake on 24H2". No doubt, fixing your product's performance in the newest OS release specifically is important and a solid improvement—why isn't the company transparent and makes that clear in their messaging?

Izvor: TechPowerUp

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Intel Core Ultra 9 285K "Arrow Lake" Windows 11 vs. Ubuntu Linux Performance

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From the benchmarks today it's looking like the Intel Core Ultra 9 285K CPU performance is fairly stable from Linux 6.11 through 6.13 kernels with no major performance shifts besides some subtle variation. Across the span of 92 benchmarks carried out, Ubuntu 24.10 was about 6% faster than Windows 11 24H2 for this out-of-the-box / default comparison. All the benchmarks in full can be found here. There was little benefit to the performance itself from switching out the Linux 6.11 default kernel on Ubuntu 24.10 to using Linux 6.12 LTS stable or Linux 6.13 Git, but the newer kernels can provide some features and hardware support such as if you'll also be going for Intel Arc B-Series graphics, for example. It was surprising to see the Intel P-State performance governor providing little help for the Core Ultra 9 285K compared to the default powersave governor. Typically the performance governor allows for more headroom but wasn't the case here with the Core Ultra 9 285K and ASUS motherboard.

Izvor: Phoronix

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Intel Arrow Lake 0x114 Microcode Already Out, No Significant Gains—We Tested

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Motherboard vendor ASUS began rolling out UEFI firmware (BIOS) updates to its Intel Z890 motherboards that contain Intel's 0x114 Microcode update for Core Ultra "Arrow Lake-S" desktop processors. The new microcode was touted as bringing in performance gains to gaming workloads across the board, with Intel saying that depending on the configuration, one could expect a "roughly 3-8% performance gain." The company said that motherboard vendors should begin releasing BIOS updates with 0x114 "starting January 2025," however, it seems like ASUS is ready with public "stable" (non-beta) BIOS updates with it. We use a ROG Maximus Z890 Hero in our "Arrow Lake-S" reviews, and so promptly grabbed the version 1203 BIOS from the ASUS website, and put it to the test. This also updates Intel ME (management engine) to v19.0.0.1827.

We added our performance testing numbers to our article from yesterday (December 19, 2024), where we had tested the Core Ultra 9 285K with the latest OS-level patches for Windows 11 24H2. Long story short, we do not notice any notable performance gains with the 0x114 microcode update. 0x114 was touted as providing users with additional performance gains after all the OS- and BIOS configuration related issues had been fixed. In its pre-brief from earlier this week, Intel said that the 0x114 microcode update represented additional performance gain opportunities that the company had discovered in the process of identifying and fixing the reasons why the processors fell significantly behind Intel's performance guidance in their launch reviews in October.

Izvor: TechPowerUp

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100+ Linux Benchmarks Of Intel Arrow Lake With New BIOS / 0x114 CPU Microcode

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There were no major changes in performance with the new ASUS BIOS featuring the 0x114 CPU microcode. A number of Phoronix readers inquired though the past few days if these Intel updates would further enhance Arrow Lake performance on Linux, but at this stage it appears not to across the 100+ benchmarks used. We'll see if the second round of updates in January mean anything for the Core Ultra Series 2 Linux performance. With the geo mean of over 100 benchmarks, the results were flat. Those wanting to jump through all of the unchanged Linux benchmark data can find this fresh data via this result file.

Izvor: Phoronix

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Vendors push Intel's promised performance-boosting firmware for Intel Arrow Lake CPUs

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Intel partners have started to deploy BIOS patches for Z890 motherboards featuring the 0x114 microcode coupled with the updated CSME 1854v2.2 firmware. The patches serve as the last piece to Intel's Core Ultra 200S (Arrow Lake) performance puzzle, with the newer CSME and BIOS combo promising additional single-digit increases in gaming performance.

In a report issued a few days back, Intel reportedly addressed four of the five root causes that held back performance. As a follow-up, Intel promised further performance enhancements through BIOS firmware updates by January, alluding to the long-anticipated 0x114 microcode. While that specific microcode has been in vogue for some time in the form of beta BIOS releases, Intel says that the final update requires both the updated microcode and a specific CSME Firmware Kit (19.0.0.1854v2.2 or newer), which is now available.

While Intel has addressed most of its underlying issues with Arrow Lake through Windows 11 updates, driver patches, and newer BIOSes, the final update should yield users a small additional bump in performance. We might see stable BIOS builds with the new 0x114 microcode and updated ME firmware from board partners by early January or even in a couple of days as they iron out the remaining quirks.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

The Exiled · 30.12.2024., 16:09

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Intel’s newest “0x114” microcode reportedly fails to resolve “Arrow Lake-S” CPU issues, now bringing in up to 18% performance drop

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Intel's newest "0x114" microcode apparently is unable to resolve the troublesome performance issues with Arrow Lake processors, as new benchmarks show further degradation. According to benchmarks by CapFrameX, Intel's 0x114 microcode has failed to address Arrow Lake-S issues, as testing reveals yet again a massive drop in gaming performance. While running Intel's Core Ultra 9 285K on Cyberpunk 2077, the average FPS saw around an 18% decline, which is a significant drop, especially when you stack up the original drop in performance numbers. Despite Team Blue assuring customers of a "double-digit" performance gain with the new BIOS update, it seems like the initial tests convey a completely different picture.

Memory latency is also said to have increased, and in the benchmarks, it rose by around 14%, which is indeed disappointing. It is important to note here that this particular testing is one of the more "reputable" ones on the newest 0x114 microcode. In order to justify the fact that the new ARL-S BIOS update is flawed, we would need to see further evidence, but for now, it is likely not wrong to say that Intel needs to rework its approach towards the desktop CPU segment. Team Blue is also planning to hold a media briefing around CES 2025 to discuss the Core Ultra 200S performance issues, so that's most likely the next event we are looking at in terms of the fate of Intel's Arrow Lake-S series.

Izvor: CapFrameX

Disco · 31.12.2024., 06:32

Ko bi rekao da se najvj HW greška ne može popraviti preko BIOSa.

EDIT: LOL, ne greška, prije nedostatak.

The Exiled · 31.12.2024., 09:47

Nikak nije dobro, novisno o OS-u, zakrpi, verziji, BIOS-u, itd. sve moguće kombinacije ne nude pomake kakve je Robert Hallock obećal.

Nakon CES-a 2025., tj. krajem siječnja moraju objaviti Q4 2024. financijsko izvješće i nakon toga bi IMHO mogle krenuti najave kako Robert Hallock, Tom Petersen i ovo dvoje novih privremenih ko-direktora i popratna putujuća družina radi "osobnih razloga" napuštaju firmu.

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Dr. Ian Cutress pak za uvod u 2025. kao jedno od predviđanja spominje povratak Pata Gelsingera, ali ovaj put kao direktora IFS-a, jer jedino Pat inženjer može spasiti ono kaj je i sam dodatno uništil, pa se sad povlače tužbe protiv bivšeg, ali inače jako sposobnog direktora/inženjera. Jao, koje su ovo Sci-Fi konstrukcije i to od lika koji je svojim riječima sad PR konzultant za veće firme (Intel, AMD, ARM, nVidia, Qualcomm, TSMC, itd.) i koji kao kuži kakvo je pravo stanje na tržištu. Jebote, Dr. Ian Cutress je nedavno bil sav u čudu kad je Pat Gelsinger dobil otkaz, a sudeći po kolilčini Ianovog ega, jedino kaj je stvarno čudno da Pat nije prvo njega osobno nazval da mu javi (ne)sretnu vijest.

The Exiled · 06.01.2025., 15:25

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Intel had to announce something, otherwise all we'd be talking about is how much trouble the company is in following the ouster of former CEO Pat Gelsinger.

Psycho · 06.01.2025., 20:46

prvi put da vidim neku firmu sa negativnim p/e ratiom na burzi i da je nitko ne zeli stapom taknut

The Exiled · 06.01.2025., 22:35

Kak je krenulo, bivšeg direktora bude netko pričekal i preupital za zdravlje ...

... i po pitanju bivših direktora, materijal u nastavku se čini prigodan i prikladan.

The Exiled · 08.01.2025., 00:33

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Intel Core Ultra 200S “Arrow Lake” CPUs receive microcode BIOS update this month, claims an average of 17.5% uplift in gaming

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Intel's Core Ultra 200S "Arrow Lake" Jan BIOS update offers up to 26% performance uplift in gaming and up to 97% in synthetic apps. Once again, Intel is claiming that their 'new' BIOS patch will fix the gaming performance of the Arrow Lake processors, particularly the Core Ultra 200S desktop ones. There have been several updates and announcements in recent weeks about this, but there were little to no improvements in gaming, even with the microcode 0x114. Intel has been consistently trying to fix the gaming performance by sending various BIOS upgrades to its board partners but has mostly failed. However, in the latest presentation, Intel claims that the upcoming BIOS patch could improve gaming performance by around 17.5% on average. This is according to the data provided by Intel, so take this with a grain of salt.

As you can see in the slide, Intel tested one of its Arrow Lake processors (model not disclosed) with the newest patch and saw up to 26% performance gains in Cyberpunk 2077, up to 7% in Assassin's Creed Mirage, up to 21% in DOTA 2, and up to 16% in Far Cry 6. These are the only four games it tested but didn't disclose the configuration or the settings it used in these tests. Intel claims that the synthetic performance also improves with this patch, resulting in about 52% enhancement in single-thread Cinebench 2024, up to a whopping 97% uplift in 3DMark Time Spy Overall, up to 10% in 3DMark Time Spy CPU, and up to 30% reduction in latency as found in AIDA64 Memory latency. 52% uplifts in single-threaded tests seem too good to be true because this is much higher even compared to generational uplifts. The current single-core score of Core Ultra 9 285K in the Cinebench 2024 test is 140–145 points, but a 52% uplift would mean 212–220 points, which is highly unlikely and misleading as well.

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Sinac · 08.01.2025., 11:32

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Kak je krenulo, bivšeg direktora bude netko pričekal i preupital za zdravlje ...

Čitam i ne vjerujem, čovjek je totalno zabrazdio u religiju. Mislim, nemam ništa protiv toga da je on religiozan, ali u poslovnom svijetu je sekularizam zakon komunikacije. Isto kao i u grafičkom dizajnu, moraš sve dvaput provjerit da nema kakve skrivene političke, religiozne ili seksualne simbolike u onome što kreiraš, da slučajno ne uvrijediš nekoga.

The Exiled · 08.01.2025., 11:41

Da, kak smo već i prije komentirali, nek on bude vjernik koliko ga volja, ali ne mora javno podjebavati ljude kojima je direktno sredil otkaz i općenito ostavil firmu u većem rasulu, nego je bila. Tip ništa nije sprovel u djelo kak spada, ostale su samo prazne riječi i sad svaki dan ima ovakve mudrosti u stilu "drž'te se, nije vam lako u ovom opasnom svijetu".

Em se protiv njega dižu i vode tužbe, em se protiv bivše mu firme vode i dižu tužbe zbog njega, em je svojim nesmotrenim izjavama totalno srozal renome firme, em se zamjeril svim mogućim partnerima, em je obećaval brda i doline, a ništa pokazal, em je dobil otkaz, em ne prestaje s ovim glupostima koja plasira u eter, umjesto da bude tiho i ode svojim putem. Možda se stvarno nada povratku u Intel da ih opet spasi, kak je bajni Ian Cutress prognoziral za ovu godinu.

demetrius · 08.01.2025., 22:32

jel intel testira bios pečeve priije puštanja u javnost??čudno mi prije probaš da vidiš ako išta poboljšava performanse.

The Exiled · 08.01.2025., 23:09

Nažalost, Intel kroz marketing i PR testira strpljenje krajnjih korisnika, jer Arrow Lake i tri mjeseca nakon izlaska ne pokazuje konkretne znakove napretka.

30.01.2025. moraju objaviti financijsko izvješće za Q4 2024., a tu bi tek moglo biti svakakvog veselja, od čega je Arrow Lake tek mali dio ogromnog problema.

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Intel's Arrow Lake fix doesn't 'fix' overall gaming performance or match the company's bad marketing claims

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Our testing shows that Intel’s fix for its Arrow Lake chips isn’t effective in addressing the chips’ lackluster gaming performance, at least on the motherboards we tested with. And we found that the Core Ultra 9 285K’s updated gaming performance with one motherboard is now slightly slower than before. Additionally, the required operating system update has improved gaming performance for the prior-gen Raptor Lake Refresh even more than the Arrow Lake chips, so the flagship Core Ultra 9 285K falls even further behind its predecessor. As you'll see in our benchmarks below, the Core Ultra 9 285K still does not meet Intel’s initial gaming performance marketing claims and will not make our list of the best CPUs for gaming.

The Intel ‘Arrow Lake’ Core Ultra 200S launch was marred with lower gaming performance than the company promised, failing to match the prior-gen Core i9-14900K flagship in gaming despite the company’s already-uninspiring claims of parity. Intel pointed to numerous issues as the source of the low gaming performance and issued fixes via both Windows and BIOS patches.

At CES 2025, Intel issued its own benchmarks with claims of up to 25% more gaming performance with the 'fix,' a claim we’ve unfortunately seen parroted by the press. But those gains only apply to certain very specific issues that not all reviewers and users will have encountered. As we'll cover in-depth below, there’s a copious amount of wiggle room in Intel’s dubious claims of performance gains, but our tests show the patches don’t have a tangible impact on the competitive positioning against AMD, and even worse, Arrow Lake now fares worse in gaming against its predecessor.

At the end of the day, Intel’s fixes for its various failings did not demonstrably ‘fix’ the Core Ultra 9 285K’s gaming performance in any meaningful way, and they certainly aren't enough to meet the company’s original marketing claims or change the competitive positioning of its lackluster Arrow Lake chips. In fact, it looks like Arrow Lake is moving backward. Despite its other positive attributes, the Core Ultra 285K simply isn’t the best option for gaming.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

The Exiled · 26.01.2025., 18:17

Intel Core Ultra 200S Saga: 3 Months of Fixes Benchmarked!

demetrius · 26.01.2025., 21:14

dobro je vidi se napredak,još jedno 15 novih fixeva/biosa po 2-3% i bit će nešto.

The Exiled · 05.02.2025., 21:44

Intel Core Ultra 200S: 104 Days Later - Final Review & Performance Insights

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Intel's false start with Core Ultra 200S Arrow Lake has given AMD time to launch the Ryzen 7 9800X3D which has proven to be utterly dominant in the gaming market. The snag here is that while Intel has fixed a number of problems, mainly with Windows 11 24H2, the news about their relative weakness compared to AMD does not yet seem to have sunk in with the financial people. The result is that prices have remained high in the face of tragic sales and that hurts the prospects of the three CPUs that we have on review.

You can make the argument that Core Ultra 9 285K is a decent all-round CPU but once you factor in the cost of a Z890 motherboard and the latest CU-DIMMs the appeal pretty much evaporates. Thankfully the Core Ultra 7 265K delivers most of the benefits of Core Ultra 9 at two thirds the price, and that means we can just about recommend this CPU. We know full well that some people will only ever buy Intel and won't touch AMD and to that select group we say ‘Core Ultra 7 265K is for you.' Finally we have the Core Ultra 5 245K which is a junior processor that fails to deliver the budget performance we have come to expect from Core i5 in recent years. Gaming, in particular, was a real disappointment on the Core Ultra 5.

tomek@vz · 10.05.2025., 05:16

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In another blow for Intel’s “Arrow Lake” or Core Ultra 200S platform, testing has confirmed that SSDs inserted into an M.2 slot on a Intel X890 motherboard won’t achieve their full performance.

The SSD Review (via Tom’s Hardware) found that SSDs inserted into an X890 motherboard achieved 12GB/s sequential read speeds, rather than the 14GB/s speeds the PCI Gen 5 SSDs care capable of. The site’s testing was confirmed by Intel, which said that the shortcoming was due to a longer die-to-die data path.

> PcWorld

The Exiled · 31.05.2025., 20:34

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Intel's lackluster Arrow Lake appears to have a refresh inbound

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If we are to believe a leaked manual for an upcoming Intel W880 motherboard, the Intel Arrow Lake-S processor will seemingly have a refresh successor. Previous rumors point to another generation of the Arrow Lake architecture, focusing only on high-end K and KF chips. So, it would make sense for motherboards designed for high-end workstations to take advantage of this refresh. Unfortunately, we do not see any other information on the document, so we will have to wait and see if manufacturers of more mainstream consumer and enthusiast motherboards will release new models for this alleged Arrow Lake update.

The Intel Core Ultra 200S series arrived on the scene in October 2024, around two months after the company released its disastrous financial report. Team Blue sorely needed a win to help it get back on course—unfortunately, the Arrow Lake wasn’t it, as sales for its latest processor stagnated just a week after its launch. After half a year on the market, the company still struggles to sell its AI chips, with many customers preferring the older Raptor Lake CPUs. One reason behind this could be the chip’s lack of gaming prowess. It has consistently trailed behind AMD’s outstanding offerings, especially the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, and was even outperformed by Intel’s own last-generation chips. And even though the Arrow Lake processors boast an NPU and offer higher AI processing power, most buyers don’t care about that. This, combined with the higher prices, meant that there was low demand for these CPUs.

If the Arrow Lake-S Refresh chips are indeed arriving, Intel must address the gaming performance issues. Otherwise, buyers would shun them and instead flock towards options that deliver more FPS and do not bottleneck other components. Despite all the negativity in the gaming space for the Arrow Lake-S chips, Intel has made some interesting innovations in the processor. It has improved power consumption and efficiency, reducing its cooling requirements. It’s also a productivity powerhouse, with the Intel Core Ultra 9 285K beating most of its competitors in Cinebench. This was the first Intel desktop CPU to use a chiplet-based design, so it’s bound to have first-generation hiccups. Hopefully, the company can fix some of the concerns with the refresh, allowing us to get the most out of the Arrow Lake architecture.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

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Intel Arrow Lake Refresh CPUs should arrive before the end of the year

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Almost a year has passed since the launch of Arrow Lake processors, and it’s fair to say the architecture hasn’t taken the world by storm in the way anyone would’ve hoped, least of all Intel. Proper successors are en route, namely Panther Lake and Nova Lake, but those CPUs aren’t ready yet. In the meantime, Team Blue is apparently planning to launch a refresh of its existing stock with frustratingly little in the way of meaningful upgrades. Whispers of Intel’s firm intent to deploy Arrow Lake Refresh first came earlier this year, following an apparent change of heart after the company cancelled the launch. Now, ZDNet is reaffirming that the processors will hit store shelves before the end of 2025. The outlet also claims to have a deeper understanding of how these CPUs will differentiate themselves from the current pack.

The biggest change for Arrow Lake Refresh comes in the way of a faster Neural Processing Unit (NPU). Intel will apparently swap out the NPU 3 accelerator found in the likes of Core Ultra 9 285K and its ilk, for the newer NPU 4. This is the same accelerator that gives Lunar Lake CPUs their Copilot+ certification and should provide these processors the same accreditation. Outside of enhancements to AI performance, the only other improvement Arrow Lake Refresh will offer are slightly better clock speeds. It’s currently unclear how much further Intel plans to push frequencies, but I expect uplifts á la Core i9-14900K rather than anything earth shattering.

As much as I’d like to see Intel return to competitive form, Arrow Lake Refresh doesn’t sound like the architecture the company needs. Neither of these upgrades sound like they’ll massively increase the attractiveness of LGA1851, leading consumers to continue purchasing Raptor Lake instead or AMD alternatives. The proof will be in the pudding, of course, so I’ll save final judgement until we have the processors in hand. For the moment, though, I’m decidedly unenthused about Arrow Lake Refresh in its rumoured form.

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Intel Arrow Lake-S & Arrow Lake-HX refresh CPUs won’t feature any changes to the NPU, only offer boosted clocks

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The latest information states that Arrow Lake-S and Arrow Lake-HX refresh CPUs will not receive any NPU changes. This means that we shouldn't expect changes to the NPU architecture, or even the NPU clocks themselves. So we can expect the refreshed chips to retain the 13 TOPS NPU compute performance from the current-gen chips. This means that Intel's Arrow Lake Refresh CPUs will only get boosted clock speeds, which, to be honest, aren't going to change much as far as performance is concerned. Maybe they will dial up the power consumption figures and offer around 2-5% better performance, but that's about it. This has been the case with most Intel offerings, such as the most recent Raptor Lake "14th Gen" refresh, but we all know what higher power and temperatures do to CPUs, as we have seen with 13th and 14th Gen chips. Maybe Intel would be extra careful this time.

Intel has been trying hard to fine-tune the performance of Arrow Lake chips for a while with updates that include Core Ultra 200S boost, which optimizes memory performance, fine-tunes the fabric/D2D inter-connect and a few changes here and there, but those are mostly on the platform level, and not on the architecture level. Gaming performance will remain the same with the refresh so yeah, this is just Intel trying to get something out for their LGA-1851 platform which hasn't been doing too well on the retail channel, and it looks like motherboard makers are pushing Intel in doing something new to help their partners move inventory, and clear up stock before the next-generation arrives with a new socket, aka Nova Lake's LGA-1954 platform.

Izvor: Wccftech

The Exiled · 10.09.2025., 18:40

IMHO ovaj Arrow Lake refresh bi čak i bil OK (makar su isti procesori u pitanju) da su ih izbacili po orginalnom planu, odnosno sad kad se godina bliži kraju.

Ovak to prebacuju u prvu polovicu sljedeće godine, dok istovremeno planiraju skroz nove Nova Lake modele kakvih dva kvartala kasnije.

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Intel confirms Arrow Lake refresh set for 2026, Nova Lake later that year

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Intel once again acknowledges that there are holes that they have to fill in in the segment. Arrow Lake "Core Ultra Series 2" CPUs didn't turn out the way Intel wanted, as such, the company is quickly working on a refresh to begin its reclemation process. The refreshed CPU family is expected to launch in the first half of 2026 and will be compatible with existing LGA 1851 socket platforms. They will likely be labeled under the "Core Ultra Series 2" family while Panther Lake will use the "Core Ultra Series 3" family branding. Following Arrow Lake Refresh, Intel will be introducing its Nova Lake Desktop CPUs. These will be labeled as the "Core Ultra Series 4" and will be the main competition against AMD's Zen 6 family. Nova Lake will be compatible with the newer LGA 1954 socket platforms and will feature up to 52 cores.

Those waiting for major changes in the desktop market can now look toward late 2026 and early 2027. Intel also confirmed that Nova Lake will use at least one 18A-based tile. This process node is currently allocated for Panther Lake notebooks, but starting in 2026 it will also serve Nova Lake desktop and notebook CPUs, along with the Clearwater Forest and Diamond Rapids server products. Whether Zen 6 and Nova Lake debut before the end of 2026 or just after, though, that's not a huge lead time for any Arrow Lake refresh processors to gain much ground. They'd need to be notably faster than existing Core Ultra 200 CPUs to be particularly relevant, so far from the original launch date, and pricing would need to be exceedingly favorable to attract buyers who can see so many shiny next-generation CPUs just over the horizon.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware i Wccftech

The Exiled · 21.10.2025., 12:07

Does 200S Boost Fix Intel Arrow Lake? Ryzen 7 9800X3D vs. Core Ultra 9 285K

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Intel's Raptor Lake lineup is known for the trouble it has caused its consumers in the past, but are those processors still a good choice in modern times? Well, a YouTuber has answered just this. The first thing he did was run CPU-Z benchmarks on his 'relatively' newer CPU, and after a few minutes into the benchmark, the OS showed the 'Black Screen of Death', which was a common aftermath of voltage instability. Now, the user tried multiple BIOS and power limit configurations, but he still reported problems throughout the usage. So, the conclusion is likely made here, which is to refrain from the Raptor Lake series entirely, either used or new SKUs, since they would likely bother users in the long run.

demetrius · 22.10.2025., 21:09

ali exiled bude bolje,malo više keša utrpali 4 jezgre dodali govorim za ovaj 270 konzum plus

https://wccftech.com/intel-core-ultr...lus-benchmark/

The Exiled · 22.10.2025., 21:19

Da, izgleda da bude za određene modele slična priča ko i s Raptor Lake-R izdanjima, ali uz one nove Zen 5 3D modele i nadolazeći Nova Lake, teško da bude se Arrow Lake slika poboljšala.

The Exiled · 23.03.2026., 14:17

Tumor · 23.03.2026., 19:25

Kad se pogleda odnos cijene i performansi stvarno odlicni procesori. 270K napokon prestize 14.gen u gamingu, cak i 14900K.
Da su originalno launchali ovakav Arrow Lake tamo 2024. bili bi puni pogodak. Ovako sada su preblizu launcha Nova Lake-a i nove platforme. Ali ajde, dobar napredak, vidi se da si Intel daje truda i daje nade da bi Nova Lake mogla biti dobra generacija.

The Exiled · 23.03.2026., 19:30

Da, ovo je vredu i trebalo je biti u opticaju prije više od godinu i pol, odnosno orginalni Arrow Lake je izbačen na tržište ni vrit ni mimo ishitreno. Nova Lake nažalost opet traži novi LGA-1954 socket i makar obećavaju da bude to izdržalo barem tri-četiri CPU generacije, tko zna da li im je za vjerovati, ali bilo bi dobro da stvarno i bude tak.

Tumor · 23.03.2026., 19:57

Nekako ne vidim kako odraditi LGA-1954 i cetiri generacije i jos dati podrsku za DDR6.
Jedino ako bas DDR6 nece doci na consumer market prije 2030. godine, a vjerujem da ce ipak biti ranije.
Ali da bi LGA-1954 mogao trajati koliko traje DDR5, to vjerujem da ce odraditi.

The Exiled · 23.03.2026., 20:03

Eventualno da slože DDR5 i DDR6 IMC u novim Nova Lake modelima, pošto je DDR6 najavljen za 2027., ali obzirom na RAM situaciju ne znaš koja opcija bi bila gora po pitanju cijene i nedostupnosti. Robert Hallock i sl. prodavači magle su u stanju sve živo reći i obećati i onda otići iz firme, kakav je bil slučaj s njegovim prebjegom iz AMD-a, tak da dugotrajne CPU podrške za LGA-1954 uz popratne najave i obećanja od tih likova su uvijek skroz upitne.

demetrius · 23.03.2026., 21:26

naravno cijene vidjet i napredak u performansama s mojom grafičkom rtx 5070

250k plus 200 $,270k plus 300 $,za europu 250 i 350 eura,pitanje je mjenjat 13600k za 250k plus možda i 270k plus,da znam da mi ploča nova treba??ćemo vidjet i novu lake.

The Exiled · 26.03.2026., 11:34

zvonac · 27.03.2026., 20:37

Bit će nešto od intela, trgnut će se oni, al što je da je, s ovom ultrom su napravili dobar posao.
Ionako se ćeka Nova lake, pa ćemo vidi, obećaje se dost, nadam se da će nekaj od toga ispunit i da napokon se vrate na stare staze, al ovaj put malo manje bahatiji.

Ivo_Strojnica · 28.03.2026., 11:11

Ovaj GN mi lagano ide na živce, moram priznati. Tip je posta prepotentan.

31.12.2024., 06:32	#93
Disco Prvoklasni Krkan Moj komp Datum registracije: Jan 2006 Lokacija: Rijeka Postovi: 5,538	Ko bi rekao da se najvj HW greška ne može popraviti preko BIOSa. EDIT: LOL, ne greška, prije nedostatak. __________________ Slobodno me dodajte na PSN Zadnje izmijenjeno od: Disco. 01.01.2025. u 16:58.

31.12.2024., 09:47	#94
The Exiled McG Moj komp Datum registracije: Feb 2014 Lokacija: Varaždin Postovi: 8,769	Nikak nije dobro, novisno o OS-u, zakrpi, verziji, BIOS-u, itd. sve moguće kombinacije ne nude pomake kakve je Robert Hallock obećal. Nakon CES-a 2025., tj. krajem siječnja moraju objaviti Q4 2024. financijsko izvješće i nakon toga bi IMHO mogle krenuti najave kako Robert Hallock, Tom Petersen i ovo dvoje novih privremenih ko-direktora i popratna putujuća družina radi "osobnih razloga" napuštaju firmu. EDIT: Dr. Ian Cutress pak za uvod u 2025. kao jedno od predviđanja spominje povratak Pata Gelsingera, ali ovaj put kao direktora IFS-a, jer jedino Pat inženjer može spasiti ono kaj je i sam dodatno uništil, pa se sad povlače tužbe protiv bivšeg, ali inače jako sposobnog direktora/inženjera. Jao, koje su ovo Sci-Fi konstrukcije i to od lika koji je svojim riječima sad PR konzultant za veće firme (Intel, AMD, ARM, nVidia, Qualcomm, TSMC, itd.) i koji kao kuži kakvo je pravo stanje na tržištu. Jebote, Dr. Ian Cutress je nedavno bil sav u čudu kad je Pat Gelsinger dobil otkaz, a sudeći po kolilčini Ianovog ega, jedino kaj je stvarno čudno da Pat nije prvo njega osobno nazval da mu javi (ne)sretnu vijest. __________________ AMD Ryzen 9 9950X \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 22TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic GX-750 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x12TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| eVGA 650 B5 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Scythe Kotetsu SCKTT-1000 \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 64GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x8TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic SSR-550PX Zadnje izmijenjeno od: The Exiled. 01.01.2025. u 21:46.

06.01.2025., 20:46	#96
Psycho Master Of Disaster Moj komp Datum registracije: Nov 2002 Lokacija: Rijeka Postovi: 1,286	prvi put da vidim neku firmu sa negativnim p/e ratiom na burzi i da je nitko ne zeli stapom taknut __________________

06.01.2025., 22:35	#97
The Exiled McG Moj komp Datum registracije: Feb 2014 Lokacija: Varaždin Postovi: 8,769	Kak je krenulo, bivšeg direktora bude netko pričekal i preupital za zdravlje ... ... i po pitanju bivših direktora, materijal u nastavku se čini prigodan i prikladan. __________________ AMD Ryzen 9 9950X \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 22TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic GX-750 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x12TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| eVGA 650 B5 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Scythe Kotetsu SCKTT-1000 \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 64GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x8TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic SSR-550PX

08.01.2025., 11:41	#100
The Exiled McG Moj komp Datum registracije: Feb 2014 Lokacija: Varaždin Postovi: 8,769	Da, kak smo već i prije komentirali, nek on bude vjernik koliko ga volja, ali ne mora javno podjebavati ljude kojima je direktno sredil otkaz i općenito ostavil firmu u većem rasulu, nego je bila. Tip ništa nije sprovel u djelo kak spada, ostale su samo prazne riječi i sad svaki dan ima ovakve mudrosti u stilu "drž'te se, nije vam lako u ovom opasnom svijetu". Em se protiv njega dižu i vode tužbe, em se protiv bivše mu firme vode i dižu tužbe zbog njega, em je svojim nesmotrenim izjavama totalno srozal renome firme, em se zamjeril svim mogućim partnerima, em je obećaval brda i doline, a ništa pokazal, em je dobil otkaz, em ne prestaje s ovim glupostima koja plasira u eter, umjesto da bude tiho i ode svojim putem. Možda se stvarno nada povratku u Intel da ih opet spasi, kak je bajni Ian Cutress prognoziral za ovu godinu. __________________ AMD Ryzen 9 9950X \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 22TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic GX-750 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x12TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| eVGA 650 B5 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Scythe Kotetsu SCKTT-1000 \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 64GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x8TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic SSR-550PX

08.01.2025., 22:32	#101
demetrius Premium Moj komp Datum registracije: Jan 2005 Lokacija: rijeka Postovi: 3,920	jel intel testira bios pečeve priije puštanja u javnost??čudno mi prije probaš da vidiš ako išta poboljšava performanse.

26.01.2025., 18:17	#103
The Exiled McG Moj komp Datum registracije: Feb 2014 Lokacija: Varaždin Postovi: 8,769	Intel Core Ultra 200S Saga: 3 Months of Fixes Benchmarked! __________________ AMD Ryzen 9 9950X \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 22TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic GX-750 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x12TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| eVGA 650 B5 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Scythe Kotetsu SCKTT-1000 \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 64GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x8TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic SSR-550PX

26.01.2025., 21:14	#104
demetrius Premium Moj komp Datum registracije: Jan 2005 Lokacija: rijeka Postovi: 3,920	dobro je vidi se napredak,još jedno 15 novih fixeva/biosa po 2-3% i bit će nešto.

22.10.2025., 21:09	#110
demetrius Premium Moj komp Datum registracije: Jan 2005 Lokacija: rijeka Postovi: 3,920	ali exiled bude bolje,malo više keša utrpali 4 jezgre dodali govorim za ovaj 270 konzum plus https://wccftech.com/intel-core-ultr...lus-benchmark/

22.10.2025., 21:19	#111
The Exiled McG Moj komp Datum registracije: Feb 2014 Lokacija: Varaždin Postovi: 8,769	Da, izgleda da bude za određene modele slična priča ko i s Raptor Lake-R izdanjima, ali uz one nove Zen 5 3D modele i nadolazeći Nova Lake, teško da bude se Arrow Lake slika poboljšala. __________________ AMD Ryzen 9 9950X \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 22TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic GX-750 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x12TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| eVGA 650 B5 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Scythe Kotetsu SCKTT-1000 \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 64GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x8TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic SSR-550PX

23.03.2026., 14:17	#112
The Exiled McG Moj komp Datum registracije: Feb 2014 Lokacija: Varaždin Postovi: 8,769	Intel Core Ultra 5 250K Plus Review - Disrupting AMD's Entry-Level Intel Core Ultra 7 270K Plus Review - Intel's Fastest Gaming CPU __________________ AMD Ryzen 9 9950X \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 22TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic GX-750 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x12TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| eVGA 650 B5 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Scythe Kotetsu SCKTT-1000 \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 64GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x8TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic SSR-550PX Zadnje izmijenjeno od: The Exiled. 23.03.2026. u 15:35.

23.03.2026., 19:25	#113
Tumor prof.dr. gospodar svemira Moj komp Datum registracije: Nov 2003 Lokacija: Zagreb Postovi: 442	Kad se pogleda odnos cijene i performansi stvarno odlicni procesori. 270K napokon prestize 14.gen u gamingu, cak i 14900K. Da su originalno launchali ovakav Arrow Lake tamo 2024. bili bi puni pogodak. Ovako sada su preblizu launcha Nova Lake-a i nove platforme. Ali ajde, dobar napredak, vidi se da si Intel daje truda i daje nade da bi Nova Lake mogla biti dobra generacija. __________________ If you are not paranoid you don't have enough information

23.03.2026., 19:30	#114
The Exiled McG Moj komp Datum registracije: Feb 2014 Lokacija: Varaždin Postovi: 8,769	Da, ovo je vredu i trebalo je biti u opticaju prije više od godinu i pol, odnosno orginalni Arrow Lake je izbačen na tržište ni vrit ni mimo ishitreno. Nova Lake nažalost opet traži novi LGA-1954 socket i makar obećavaju da bude to izdržalo barem tri-četiri CPU generacije, tko zna da li im je za vjerovati, ali bilo bi dobro da stvarno i bude tak. __________________ AMD Ryzen 9 9950X \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 22TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic GX-750 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x12TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| eVGA 650 B5 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Scythe Kotetsu SCKTT-1000 \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 64GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x8TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic SSR-550PX

23.03.2026., 19:57	#115
Tumor prof.dr. gospodar svemira Moj komp Datum registracije: Nov 2003 Lokacija: Zagreb Postovi: 442	Nekako ne vidim kako odraditi LGA-1954 i cetiri generacije i jos dati podrsku za DDR6. Jedino ako bas DDR6 nece doci na consumer market prije 2030. godine, a vjerujem da ce ipak biti ranije. Ali da bi LGA-1954 mogao trajati koliko traje DDR5, to vjerujem da ce odraditi. __________________ If you are not paranoid you don't have enough information

23.03.2026., 20:03	#116
The Exiled McG Moj komp Datum registracije: Feb 2014 Lokacija: Varaždin Postovi: 8,769	Eventualno da slože DDR5 i DDR6 IMC u novim Nova Lake modelima, pošto je DDR6 najavljen za 2027., ali obzirom na RAM situaciju ne znaš koja opcija bi bila gora po pitanju cijene i nedostupnosti. Robert Hallock i sl. prodavači magle su u stanju sve živo reći i obećati i onda otići iz firme, kakav je bil slučaj s njegovim prebjegom iz AMD-a, tak da dugotrajne CPU podrške za LGA-1954 uz popratne najave i obećanja od tih likova su uvijek skroz upitne. __________________ AMD Ryzen 9 9950X \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 22TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic GX-750 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x12TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| eVGA 650 B5 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Scythe Kotetsu SCKTT-1000 \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 64GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x8TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic SSR-550PX

23.03.2026., 21:26	#117
demetrius Premium Moj komp Datum registracije: Jan 2005 Lokacija: rijeka Postovi: 3,920	naravno cijene vidjet i napredak u performansama s mojom grafičkom rtx 5070 250k plus 200 $,270k plus 300 $,za europu 250 i 350 eura,pitanje je mjenjat 13600k za 250k plus možda i 270k plus,da znam da mi ploča nova treba??ćemo vidjet i novu lake.

26.03.2026., 11:34	#118
The Exiled McG Moj komp Datum registracije: Feb 2014 Lokacija: Varaždin Postovi: 8,769	__________________ AMD Ryzen 9 9950X \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 22TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic GX-750 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 128GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x12TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| eVGA 650 B5 AMD Ryzen 5 7600 \| Scythe Kotetsu SCKTT-1000 \| MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wi-Fi \| 64GB Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-5200 \| 256GB AData SX8200 Pro NVMe \| 2x8TB WD Red Plus \| Fractal Define 7 Compact \| Seasonic SSR-550PX

27.03.2026., 20:37	#119
zvonac Premium Moj komp Datum registracije: Mar 2006 Lokacija: Sv.Nedelja Postovi: 5,851	Bit će nešto od intela, trgnut će se oni, al što je da je, s ovom ultrom su napravili dobar posao. Ionako se ćeka Nova lake, pa ćemo vidi, obećaje se dost, nadam se da će nekaj od toga ispunit i da napokon se vrate na stare staze, al ovaj put malo manje bahatiji.

28.03.2026., 11:11	#120
Ivo_Strojnica PRO Moj komp Datum registracije: Apr 2010 Lokacija: Zagreb Postovi: 4,997	Ovaj GN mi lagano ide na živce, moram priznati. Tip je posta prepotentan. __________________ "Who is your daddy and what does he do?"