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Staro 16.03.2026., 23:52   #3661
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To je valjda prva stvar koju radim na novom (i nepoznatom) hardveru - gola instalacija, ugasena mreza, rescuezilla i image backup. I nakon toga mogu eksperimentirati, hocu li rucno instalirati drivere ili pustiti update da to napravi itd... Sve je brze od nove instalacije windowsa
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Staro 17.03.2026., 08:56   #3662
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upravo tako. vec godinama tak delam. i onda svako toliko image kako napredujem sa instalacijama. pop bi da moram vise puta ic isto prolazit.


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Staro 17.03.2026., 09:28   #3663
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meni samo nije jasno to silno instaliravanje win-a. pa nije valjda da stvarno toliko puta iznova? zar nije jednostavnije cim zavrsi prvu inst napravit image i kretat od tu ?
ja bi spalio majkemi...
Probavao sam razlicite verzije Windowsa...

Napravim ja system restore checkpoint, mogu se ja vratit na to, ali ovo radim za drugoga pa zelim da sve bude cisto i instalirano kako spada...

Inace, pustio sam ovaj Zbook preko noci da si vrti svoj 'Please wait' i sad maloprije sam ga upalio i zbutao se normalno u Windowse... Dakle, on nesto zvace i to satima... Zasto mu treba par sati nikad necu znati... (gle to se rimuje)...
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Staro 17.03.2026., 09:39   #3664
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Evo opet... Instlirao nake dva mini updatea... Vrti se on na 'Updates are underway' zadnjih 15 minuta... Onako - pa sta ti treba toliko jbt?!
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Staro 17.03.2026., 09:48   #3666
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ma hebo taj ugradeni backup. nikad, ali nikad nisam to gofno ni aktivirao ni koristio jos od winxp il kad je vec se pojavio.
image je majka.
neznam sta ti rec. imao sam razno raznih s*anja sa instalacijama kroz godine, i desavalo mi se da moram ponovo, jako rjetko, al zato sam i krenuo radit image davnih dana. jednostavno time is money.
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Idem tražiti novi posao. Ustvari idem se vratiti u grafičku struku... Ili idem za portira negdje...
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Evo opet... Instlirao nake dva mini updatea... Vrti se on na 'Updates are underway' zadnjih 15 minuta... Onako - pa sta ti treba toliko jbt?!

ili ti je taj primjerak defekt


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Staro 17.03.2026., 10:39   #3670
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To je njegov komp... Radio je normalno sa starim Windowsima...

Evo, dovrsio je Windows update, usao normalno u Windowse... Onda sam napravio shut down i opet upalio... I sad opet imam black screen sa mouse pointerom... Ovo nema nikakvog smisla stvarno... :/

Stavljam Win10 na ovu masinu, boli me neka stvar vise...
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Staro 17.03.2026., 10:42   #3671
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Zanimljivo... Restartao sam ga jos dvaput, i sad mi se opet pojavilo 'Please wait'... Pustit cu ga jos 15 minuta pa ako se nista ne desi, stavljam Win10...

Ovo je samo gubitak vremena...
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Staro 17.03.2026., 10:49   #3673
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probaj iskopčat sve usbove i externe diskove iz kompa
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probaj iskopčat sve usbove i externe diskove iz kompa
Doslovno nista nije skopcano na laptop osim napajanja...

Dosta mi je, dizem Win10 na tu masinu, ovo je sve samo gubitak vremena... Cak i da ga vratim covjeku sa Win11 koji 'rade', pitanje je trenutka kada ce se neki Windows Update dignut i opet ce ga docekat crni ekran i mouse pointer pa se snadji druze... :/
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Meni isto smrdi na hw problem ovde iskreno
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Instalirao sam Win 10... Sve sad radi kako spada...

Al lik je i na drugom kompu imao problema sa Win11, taj je pak od mene uzeo... Dell Precision 5540... Meni sve radilo kad sam mu dao, al kod njega sve neka drama... Prvo mu se zbrejka kod logiranja, al to sam vec vidio na par laptopa, doslovno se smrzne kod logiranja... Onda mu gasi wifi kad spoji dock, gledali u BIOSu - nije podeseno gasenje wifija kad se spoji preko zice, u Windowsima se doslovno disablea mrezna kartica... Pa smo to enableali, ali i dalje problemi... Sve u svemu, ne mogu okriviti hardver na dva laptopa iz workstation klase na kojima mi Win10 radi normalno, pogotovo kad je opcepoznato da Win11 rade pizd*arije... Nije to ni tako star hardver, tamo negdje 2019/2020...
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OK, izgleda da sam otkrio sto je taj crni ekran sa mouse pointerom... Koliko sam shvatio, taj crni ekran se pojavljuje dio kada Windowsi odradjuju update ili se pripremaju za update, u svakom slucaju nesto vezano za update... Na Win10 mi se to isto pojavilo na dva laptopa (HP ZBook 15 i Dell Precision 7530), samo sto na istom laptopu treba nekih 2 minute da se makne na Win10, dok na Win11 ne odlazi niti nakon par sati... Go figure...

Nakon sto sam dignuo Win10, laptopi lete... Nikakvih problema nemaju sa updateima, odrade sto treba i brzo dalje na svoj posao...

Update: I dalje sve OK radi sa Win10... Nema vise updateova, sve poinstalirano, upalim laptop, odmah se boota i logira, nikakvi crni ekrani, nikakvi Please wait koji traju satima... To je to, ionako je to visemanje isti OS, samo sto Win10 rade puno stabilnije i brze...
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Super mi je kako mi kad otvorim Windows Update u Win11 pise 'Windows Update is commited to helping reduce carbon emissions'...

Onako, ne da mi zafitilje procesor i ventove na max, nego ne odustaju satima...
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Meni se desavao taj black screen nakon restarta gdje samo mis radi, i na win10. Svaki put nakon nove instalacije. Ali evo par godina srecom nema vise. Mislim da nece da loada UI jer se zna desiti da se pojavi desktop slika, imas mis i nista vise.
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Ja bi probal to rešiti sa Procmonom i boot loggingom, ko pc ekspert
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Ja bi probal to rešiti sa Procmonom i boot loggingom, ko pc ekspert
Da je moja masina, u redu, igrao bih se dok ne skuzim sta joj je... Al ovo je masina od klijenta i nit imam vremena, nit imam volje, a najmanje od svega ne zelim odgovornost za neki workaround... Ako ne radi out of the box sa originalnim Windowsima, onda ne radi...

Stavio sam Win10 i na HP Zbook 15 G5 i na Dell Precision 7530 i sve radi kako spada... Superbrzo, stabilno i ne updatea se jer se nema vise sta updateat...

Racunaj da ovo nisu obicni laptopi, vec workstation masine sa i9 ili Xeon procovima i Quadro karticama... Tu je malo teze dobit da to sve radi iz prve (iz iskustva, jer preko 10 godina vrtim takve masine kao primarne)...
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Na mašinu od klijenta si instaliral nepodržan OS?
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Na mašinu od klijenta si instaliral nepodržan OS?
Tako je... Nije poslovni korisnik, treba mu za nekakve kucne video kamere il nes tog tipa... Fucka se njemu koji OS je na tome, glavno da radi stabilno i da se ne updatea non-stop po pola dana...
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To je valjda prva stvar koju radim na novom (i nepoznatom) hardveru - gola instalacija, ugasena mreza, rescuezilla i image backup. I nakon toga mogu eksperimentirati, hocu li rucno instalirati drivere ili pustiti update da to napravi itd... Sve je brze od nove instalacije windowsa
autounattended.xml je majka za takve situacije. Ako složiš relativno agresivan debloat, instalacija traje cca 5 minuta, plus minuta da setupiraš particije.

Ovdje se kolega calypso nije pretjerano proslavio s time što nije htio ugasiti auto update drivera i instalirati ručno, što bi vjerojatno riješilo problem. Ne kažem da windowsi nisu govno, nego da kada čovjek ima posla s govnom mora primijeniti adekvatne metode: staviti rukavice, zaštitne naočale, respirator, sve što treba Raditi pametnije, ne napornije. Ali eto, očito svatko mora nositi svoj križ.

U međuvremenu, frend kojem sam instalirao dual boot MX linux / win 11 mi neki dan kaže da brišem 11, da mu to nije potrebno Basic kućni korisnik, trebati će mu jedino neka ozbiljnija aplikacija za editiranje/snimanje audia. Stavio sam mu par nativnih opcija pa bude vidio. Prednost je što nije do sada koristio ništa određeno pa nema problema s adaptacijom, ali bi mogao imati problem s interoperabilnosti.
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Ovdje se kolega calypso nije pretjerano proslavio s time što nije htio ugasiti auto update drivera i instalirati ručno, što bi vjerojatno riješilo problem. Ne kažem da windowsi nisu govno, nego da kada čovjek ima posla s govnom mora primijeniti adekvatne metode: staviti rukavice, zaštitne naočale, respirator, sve što treba Raditi pametnije, ne napornije. Ali eto, očito svatko mora nositi svoj križ.
Meni je instalacija Windowsa kakti meditacija inace... Uvijek radim instalaciju iz nule, koristeci originalni Windows medij za instalaciju... Ako sam to u zadnjih 5-6 godina odradio preko 500 puta, ne vidim zasto bih mijenjao... Da, traje, ali nije mene puno briga za to jer ionako ne pratim sta se zbiva, tu i tamo se dignem, prosecem do stola gdje su mi laptopi na instalaciji, poklikam nesto i odem dalje svojim poslom...

Cilj je imati laptop sa instaliranim originalnim Windowsima i svime ostalime na standardni nacin kako bi i krajnji korisnik odradio...

Znam i ja da postoje alati tipa Lenovo Vantage od Della i HPa i oni svi dobro instaliraju sve sto treba, njih u pravilu korisim nakon sto Windowsi dignu sve drivere sa Windows Updatea...


Al mozda jedini pravi razlog je sto mi se neda bavit novotarijama, proslo me to doba... Imam svog posla i previse da bih se bakcao sa istrazivanjem i cackanjem... Da imam 20 godina manje, sigurno bih istrazivao i cackao i trazio optimalno po pitanju performansi... Ovako trazim optimalno po pitanju zivaca, no ovo jucer me jako nazivciralo...
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Staro 17.03.2026., 20:45   #3688
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Cilj je imati laptop sa instaliranim originalnim Windowsima i svime ostalime na standardni nacin kako bi i krajnji korisnik odradio...
To nije razlog da se ne koristi autounattended.xml. Debloat je skroz opcionalan. Ono što defacto možeš na vrlo jednostavan način napraviti je da sve (ili veliku većinu) stvari koje te pita setup staviš u xml. I onda te setup ne pita da klikaš.

Tako da što god da radio ne moraš obilaziti laptope da klikaš bilo šta. Pa si izračunaj koliko vremena si u tih 500 instalacija mogao uštedjeti.

Predmetni xml je skroz 100% službena MS "novotarija" koja postoji od ... windows 8? Mogućnost ubacivanja tih raznih PS skripti unutra čini stvar relativno manje kosher, ali bez toga to je 100% čista instalacija windowsa, ali sa puno manje gnjavaže.

https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/

Ja sam si na ventoy jednostavno složio više templatea i učitavam xml prema potrebi. Imam opciju za win10, win11, sa i bez ključa, sa i bez debloata. Sve što me pita je praktično da pokrenem setup, složim particije i idući put kada mi se vrati kontrola nađem se na funkcionalnom desktopu. Lagana varijacija na temu kod laptopa je što u dodatnom koraku traži da se spojiš na wifi, ako nisi na mreži. A hvala bogu da su u godini gospodnjoj 2026 izbacili ethernet adapter s mnogih modela. NIC je tako passe, dobro da su to eliminirali.


I još ću ti dodatno olakšati, ovako izgleda moj ventoy.json (relevantan dio)
Code:
{
    "auto_install": [
        {
            "image": "/ventoy/windows/en-us_windows_10_iot_enterprise_ltsc_2021_x64_dvd_257ad90f.iso",
            "template": "/ventoy/templates/windows10/autounattend.xml"
        },
        {
            "image": "/ventoy/windows/Win11_25H2_EnglishInternational_x64.iso",
            "template": [
                "/ventoy/templates/windows11/autounattend-debloated.xml",
                "/ventoy/templates/windows11/autounattend-safer.xml",
                "/ventoy/templates/windows11/autounattend-safer-nowifi.xml"
            ]
        }
    ]
}
Ovaj file ide na root ventoy particiju (dakle, to je velika particija na ventoy sticku) dok sam na istoj toj razini napravio proizvoljan "templates/windows11" direktorij u kojem sam naslagao xml-ove te "windows/" u kojeg sam ubacio windows ISO fajlove. Deset minuta posla. Evo, neka je dvadeset, ako ideš sve lagano, korak po korak, kao da sve radiš prvi put.

Meni se nakon tolikih godina od standardne instalacije windowsa bez xmlova povraća.
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You're missing the point...

Meni treba da se malo dignem od stola i protegnem nogice... Ne optimiziram nista po utrosenom vremenu, to mi i nije toliko bitno... Jednostavno mi je zabavno to sve naklikavat, sta da si radim... Valjda usput testiram jel sve u redu sa tipkovnicom, touchpadom, touchscreenom, napajanjem, ekranom, grijanjem, itd... Nije mi poanta bas samo instalirat Windowse, nego i usput pregledat laptop...

Iskreno, to sa Ventoyem mi se cini poprilicno komplicirano za ono sto meni treba... No svakako vidim smisao nekom kome je to korisno i zabavno... Meni cak ni Ventoy multiboot USB stick nicem ne koristi iako ga imam, par puta sam ga koristio no znao mi je bacit problem sa Secure Bootom, tako da mi i nije od neke velike koristi... Jednostavno sam malo old-school dinosaur i to je tako...

Ljudi si pisu skripte da nesto automatiziraju, meni se to neda... Radije naklikavam po 100 puta nesto i stavim si mozak na pasu, dobro mi dodje... Gledam ekipu kako mlati po AI piz*darijama sve u 16, ja ne znam sta ce mi to uopce... Da sam se zelio baviti ozbiljnije sistemasenjem ili programiranjem, bavio bi se, ovako se drzim podalje od bilokakvog kodiranja icega ako ikako mogu...
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unattended postoji još od doba XP - a, samo je tada bio u txt formatu.

Mašina bez fizičkog Lan - a je veliki nono

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Iako se od W8 gura install drajvera od M$ uvijek je bilo i ostalo "pravilo":
instaliraj drajvere sa supporta odr. mašine (kada je dostupan) i ignoriraj / nedaj da ih win update pregazi.
Jedino pustiš kada znaš "da će biti od koristi".
Vrlo često drv sa M$ update ima neke opcije izbačene / onemogućene / promijenjene u odnosu na drv sa supporta proizvođača (grafe i zvučne).
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