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Staro 11.03.2026., 17:38   #1171
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The Social Security Administration's inspector general has opened an investigation into a whistleblower complaint alleging that a former member of DOGE – the Trump administration's cost-cutting task force led by Elon Musk – told colleagues he had copied two tightly restricted databases onto a thumb drive and planned to use the data at his new private-sector job. The probe has been disclosed to key members of Congress and shared with the Government Accountability Office, which is already auditing DOGE's access to agency data, according to people familiar with the matter and a letter from the acting inspector general.
The complaint has also been reviewed by The Washington Post, which interviewed the whistleblower, who filed anonymously out of fear of retaliation.
The complaint centers on two core SSA systems: the Numerical Identification System, or Numident, and the Master Death File. Together, they hold records for more than 500 million living and deceased individuals, including Social Security numbers, dates and places of birth, citizenship, race and ethnicity, and parents' names – data that underpins benefit eligibility checks, identity verification, and fraud detection.

> Inspector general investigates claim DOGE engineer copied Social Security databases to thumb drive


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A recent federal appeals court ruling has turned a routine software update into a high-stakes precedent for how consumers "agree" to the fine print governing connected devices, with Tile's Bluetooth trackers and their anti-stalking safeguards at the center of the dispute.
The case stems from a 2023 class-action lawsuit accusing Tile, its parent Life360, and Amazon of negligence for allegedly failing to design effective protections against stalking and other misuse of Tile's quarter-sized Bluetooth tags.
Plaintiffs say third parties used Tile trackers to follow them in the real world, and they argue the companies should have anticipated these risks given how the product works and how it was marketed. Life360 acquired Tile in 2021, adding the tags to its location-centric "family safety" ecosystem.
> Court says continued use of tracking app counts as consent, even if users never read the new TOS
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Staro 15.03.2026., 10:32   #1172
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I traced $2 billion in nonprofit grants and 45 states of lobbying records to figure out who's behind the age verification bills. The answer involves a company that profits from your data writing laws that collect more of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comme...grants_and_45/

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The privacy questions

I've tried to present findings here, not conclusions. But from a privacy standpoint:
Why does the company that profits from collecting user data draft legislation requiring every operating system to collect age data and broadcast it to every installed application via a system-level API?

Why do these bills mandate commercial age verification vendors (Yoti, Veriff, Jumio) whose business model is collecting biometric data, while the EU's equivalent uses open-source zero-knowledge proofs that reveal nothing beyond "over 18"?

Why is there no data minimization requirement in any of these bills for the age verification data itself? AB-1043 creates a persistent age signal API. Who governs what happens to the data flowing through it?

Why does Meta fund an advocacy group with no legal existence in the IRS system to push legislation that creates new data collection infrastructure at a layer below Meta's own products, while Meta faces zero new requirements?

Why does the company whose lobbyist drafted one of these bills write it to specifically exclude social media platforms from the age verification mandate?

If the goal is child safety, why regulate the operating system, which has no direct contact with children, instead of the social media platforms where the documented harm occurs?
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 16.03.2026., 00:38   #1173
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Staro 16.03.2026., 10:21   #1174
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Izgleda da ćemo i dalje bit u nedoumici dal nas špijaju il ne.
Šalu na stranu, svaka čast onima koji su kontaktirali svog EU parlamentarca VS tipkali tu po forumu.
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Staro 16.03.2026., 10:53   #1175
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Izgleda da ćemo i dalje bit u nedoumici dal nas špijaju il ne.
Šalu na stranu, svaka čast onima koji su kontaktirali svog EU parlamentarca VS tipkali tu po forumu.
Pazi ti u kojem vremenu mi živimo, kad se trebamo boriti za common sense, i onda tu pobjedu slavimo...
Žalosno. Da su ovo neka drugačija vremena, do ovoga ne bi uopće dolazilo, a bilo tko tko bi predlagao ovakve gluposti bi bio javno izložen uz pomoć drvenih stupova i malo užeta.
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Staro 16.03.2026., 16:35   #1176
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Ako povijest išta uči to je da ovakve stvari prolaze u više koraka. Pogledajmo samo par godina unatrag i porez na nekretnine i kako isti "nije prošao". To je stari tanac trokorak, dva koraka naprijed, jedan natrag. Kreneš agresivno, ljudi se nadrkaju, onda se povučeš, pričekaš neki treći događaj (najbolje neko prvenstvo) i onda ponoviš proceduru, ali drugi put znatno tiše. Ljudi dobiju dojam da to nije tako strašno kao prošli put pa je valjda to onda OK.
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Staro 16.03.2026., 18:13   #1177
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Ako povijest išta uči to je da ovakve stvari prolaze u više koraka. Pogledajmo samo par godina unatrag i porez na nekretnine i kako isti "nije prošao". To je stari tanac trokorak, dva koraka naprijed, jedan natrag. Kreneš agresivno, ljudi se nadrkaju, onda se povučeš, pričekaš neki treći događaj (najbolje neko prvenstvo) i onda ponoviš proceduru, ali drugi put znatno tiše. Ljudi dobiju dojam da to nije tako strašno kao prošli put pa je valjda to onda OK.
Ma znam ja sve to, sporo kuhanje žabe i sl.
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Staro 16.03.2026., 19:33   #1178
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Pitanje je samo vremena kad će pedofili opet napravit neku major gadariju koristeći enkripciju i to je to.
Niko neće imat muda glasat protiv po drugi put.
Treba neku peticiju pedofilima napisat da ne koriste više enkripciju
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Staro 16.03.2026., 19:50   #1179
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Ako povijest išta uči to je da ovakve stvari prolaze u više koraka. Pogledajmo samo par godina unatrag i porez na nekretnine i kako isti "nije prošao". To je stari tanac trokorak, dva koraka naprijed, jedan natrag. Kreneš agresivno, ljudi se nadrkaju, onda se povučeš, pričekaš neki treći događaj (najbolje neko prvenstvo) i onda ponoviš proceduru, ali drugi put znatno tiše. Ljudi dobiju dojam da to nije tako strašno kao prošli put pa je valjda to onda OK.
Ulazimo u OECD I vlada je to prikazala kao velik uspjeh, a njihov komentar je bio duzi radni vijek i sad kad je uveden porez na nekretnine, sad traze placanje poreza po vrijednosti nekretnine.
Tako i ovo, samo treba uvesti zakon, a kasnije ces ga postroziti zbog xy razloga.

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Staro 16.03.2026., 20:19   #1180
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Placanje poreza na nekretnine (PNN) po vrijednosti je vec potvrđeno i to sljedi kroz 2g.
A ovce šute, jer ne razumiju sta to znači, ali saznati će :-(.
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Ono što je uvedeno a ne valja valja izvest.
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Staro 17.03.2026., 09:29   #1182
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apsolutno, al kad imas ovce oko sebe...


sve će biti dobro, by krim org
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Apsolutno sam protiv bilo kakvih novih poreza, puno prije za ukidanje starih.
Međutim, mišljenja sam da ne treba ohrabrivati tretiranje betona i cigle kao poželjne stvari za "investiciju" u smislu da se višak novca upucava u nekretnine koje onda stoje prazne.
S obzirom na to da ljudi koji sjede u Saboru upravo tako funkcioniraju vrlo je malo vjerojatno da će biti nekih većih pomaka po tom pitanju.
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problem je u tome sto nisu prazne, a sigurno nije prazno "600k" koje oni spominju. vec nekoliko puta ih se demantiralo i to koristeci statistike od drzavnog zavoda za statistiku, ali ljudi to neznaju i ne zanima ih.
range "praznih nekretnina", vladajuca krim org vadi iz guice, i to u range-u od cca 400k do 900k, kako kad im dode.
nisu problem ni prazne nekretnine ni pune nekretnine. problem je sto nam stranci kupuju sakom i kapom, i jos im se povlađuje i daje poticaje (hint krupni kapital ciji su projekti proglaseni "strateski vazni" lol), a njima ce bit jeftine da jos poskupe i 100%.
OECD ce nas zakopat do kraja, a u isto vrijeme gule svoj narod i zabranjuju mu upravljanje i koristenje vlastitog vlasnistva kako bi povlađivali hebenom krupnom kapitalu. treba napravit mjesta i prometa za sve te silne hotelcine, "rizorte" i hotelske vile i apartmane koji se grade jel.
hebe se vlasti za priustivo stanovanje i mlade, to valjda kuzimo svi ne?
a sta god oni naprave i koju god "reformu" pokrenu cijene nekretnina i rente dolje nece, to bi isto valjda trebalo bit jasno vec. jedino sto cijenu moze srusit je neka kataklizma, svjetski rat il nesto kao 2008, sigurno ne retardi jeBačić i Glavonja u duetu, sa nekakvim reformama pod palicom anemičnog izdajnika.
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Sama činjenica da su određene skupine (investitori, banke) izolirani od tog poreza govori dovoljno. Tako nam je da nam tako i treba.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Ulazimo u OECD I vlada je to prikazala kao velik uspjeh, a njihov komentar je bio duzi radni vijek i sad kad je uveden porez na nekretnine, sad traze placanje poreza po vrijednosti nekretnine.
Tako i ovo, samo treba uvesti zakon, a kasnije ces ga postroziti zbog xy razloga.
Nekako mi onaj cirkus oko dočeka rukometaša ne izgleda slučajnost baš u vrijeme kad je OECD bio u Zagrebu. Ne bi baš bilo zgodno da se pričalo o PNNu i "širenju porezne baze" što su nam tako brižno savjetovali, odnosno da su bajke kako će se oporezivati samo "višak" nekretnina tek faza u kuhanju žabe.

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Apsolutno sam protiv bilo kakvih novih poreza, puno prije za ukidanje starih.
Međutim, mišljenja sam da ne treba ohrabrivati tretiranje betona i cigle kao poželjne stvari za "investiciju" u smislu da se višak novca upucava u nekretnine koje onda stoje prazne.
S obzirom na to da ljudi koji sjede u Saboru upravo tako funkcioniraju vrlo je malo vjerojatno da će biti nekih većih pomaka po tom pitanju.
Ako su stvarno prazne i/ili služe špekulantima i kriminalcima za pranje novca onda se slažem ali to je posao Porezne i policije.
Ne može se ignorirati povijest i vaditi iz konteksta. Kao društvo nismo baš nešto financijski pismeni a do nedavno nije ni bilo mogućnosti ulaganja u nešto drugo. Starije generacije znaju što je hiperinflacija i društvena stanogradnja (za mlađe forumaše, zaposleni su izdvajali 4-6% iz plaće od kojih je i nastao ogroman stambeni fond po gradovima koji je sada kost u grlu krupnom kapitalu), a kuće su se gradile po 20-30 godina sa puno uloženog vlastitog rada i od već oporezovanog dohotka (plaće), pitajte svoje roditelje, djedove i bake. Čak i bez toga, ne može se takav zakon donositi retroaktivno a i kako to da, uz svu tu "zabrinutost", i dalje nije problem doslovno donijeti vreću novaca i iskeširati za nekretninu ? Samo retorički, zašto je ono ukinut zakon o porijeklu imovine ?.

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hebe se vlasti za priustivo stanovanje i mlade, to valjda kuzimo svi ne?
a sta god oni naprave i koju god "reformu" pokrenu cijene nekretnina i rente dolje nece, to bi isto valjda trebalo bit jasno vec. jedino sto cijenu moze srusit je neka kataklizma, svjetski rat il nesto kao 2008, sigurno ne retardi jeBačić i Glavonja u duetu, sa nekakvim reformama pod palicom anemičnog izdajnika.
Ako je već problem nedostatak stanova i briga za mlade obitelji (khm) u gradovima zašto ne ograničiti broj nekretnina koje netko može imati na takvim lokacijama pa da se izbace iz jednadžbe oni koji špekulativno gomilaju nekretnine bez obzira koliko novca imaju jer ovako je to Superhik logika ... porezna represija nižeg i srednjeg sloja da ga se uništi, prisili da proda "višak" koji će onda pokupovati bogati (a ne oni kojima stvarno treba) pa kad dovoljno okrupne onda će i renta ići gore a nekadašnji vlasnici će eventualno biti podstanari u svojoj bivšoj nekretnini.
Kad postanemo landlordovsko društvo i glavno pitanje postane "imaš li za rentu", bit će kasno. To su želje ekipice koja se svake godine skupi na orgi... pardon, stručnim skupovima na temu "hrvati imaju previše nekretnina" u organizaciji Colliersa i raznih bankaroida koji se eto trude da nas za naše dobro oslobode nekretnina.

@mkey ... zaboravio si najvećeg vlasnika nekretnina.


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Price o praznim stanovima (mozda da zastite najmodavce bilo bi vise rentanih nekretnina, ovako vrlo cesto avantura sa iznajmljivanjem moze zavrsiti debelim minusom) je na istoj razini kao i kupovina na gotovinu, mit koji se prenosi medu stanovnistvom kako bi se dobila podrska za daljnje stezanje vlasnika nekretnina.
Nije tocno kad kupujes na cash da te nitko ne pita nista, uvijek dobijem poziv iz porezne za pojasnjenje, evo recimo sad sam kupio jednu nekretninu nisko i kaze porezne ne mozemo vam naplatiti porez na nekretnine tako nisko jer mi u tablici imamo visu brojku.
Kad bi bilo sve pravedno, ta ista porezna bi trebala imati obvezu otkupiti od mene nekretninu po 30% vecoj cijeni nego sam je ja kupio, prodao bi im istog trena, a ovako procjenjuju bez ikakve odgovornosti.
Kad krene porez na nekretnine po vrijednosti isto tako ce biti tocno, procjeniti ce na bolesne iznose i samo ce glodati nekretninu dok ne prede u njihovo vlasnistvo.

Tako je i u engleskoj, krenulo je sa zanemarivim porezima, a doslo je do toga da se porez na nekretnine placa u ratama i rata nije daleko rati kredita, ako je stan kupljen na kredit. Na ekonomiji koju sam davno zavrsio nitko nikad nije znao odgovor zasto visok udio vlasnika nekretnine u odnosu na stanovnistvo je los za prosjecnog gradana, shvacam da korporacijama to ne odgovra. Njemci bi vrlo rado htjeli imati svoju nekretninu, ali si je ne mogu priustiti sa svojim placama, tako da placaju ogromne najamnine korporacijama, to je valjda cemu tezimo i kod nas.
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Price o praznim stanovima (mozda da zastite najmodavce bilo bi vise rentanih nekretnina, ovako vrlo cesto avantura sa iznajmljivanjem moze zavrsiti debelim minusom) je na istoj razini kao i kupovina na gotovinu, mit koji se prenosi medu stanovnistvom kako bi se dobila podrska za daljnje stezanje vlasnika nekretnina.
Nije tocno kad kupujes na cash da te nitko ne pita nista, uvijek dobijem poziv iz porezne za pojasnjenje, evo recimo sad sam kupio jednu nekretninu nisko i kaze porezne ne mozemo vam naplatiti porez na nekretnine tako nisko jer mi u tablici imamo visu brojku.
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Osim ako u Slavoniji ne čuči par sto tisuća praznih stanova, nema teoretske šanse da u Dalmaciji, Istri, Kvarneru i Zagrebu ima 600 000 praznih stanova, iz jednostavnog razloga što je barem u Dalmaciji i Istri čak i garaža pretvorena u apartman/stan i nitko ne bi ostavljao stanove prazne.
Par postotaka od tih famoznih 600 000 je sigurno prazno, radi neriješenih imovinsko pravnih odnosa..
Što se tiče kupovina nekretnina u cashu, vidio ih milijun.
Recimo ako je vrijednost nekretnine 400 000 E, pola se da u cashu, pola na račun. I prodavatelji to uzimaju, jer će i oni kod kupovine iduće nekretnine moći dati dobar dio cijene u gotovini.


Što se tiče porezne uprave, ona je smiješna.
Po službenim podatcima porezne uprave m2 poslovnog prostora u jednoj od skupljih ulica u Splitu košta 2160 €. Za te pare ne mozes kupiti m2 parking mjesta izvan Splita, kamoli m2 poslovnog prostora u centru Splitu.


Inače, priča mi klijent iz države gdje se porez na nekretnine naplaćuje po stopi od 1 % tržišne vrijednosti nekretnine da mu svake godine dođe čestitka od porezne uprave na 50 000 €.
Ako nemaš platiti, ovrha. Zato je vani uobičajno da ako nemaš para za održavanje nekretnine, ili ostaneš bez prihoda prodaješ nekretnine i seliš u jeftiniji kvart.
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kao sto sam gore naveo. demantirano je koristeci DRZAVNI ZAVOD ZA STATISTIKU da je taj br od 600k zesci BS.
ja neznam sta cekaju ovce se probudit...
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kao sto sam gore naveo. demantirano je koristeci DRZAVNI ZAVOD ZA STATISTIKU da je taj br od 600k zesci BS.
ja neznam sta cekaju ovce se probudit...
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Inače, priča mi klijent iz države gdje se porez na nekretnine naplaćuje po stopi od 1 % tržišne vrijednosti nekretnine da mu svake godine dođe čestitka od porezne uprave na 50 000 €.
Ako nemaš platiti, ovrha. Zato je vani uobičajno da ako nemaš para za održavanje nekretnine, ili ostaneš bez prihoda prodaješ nekretnine i seliš u jeftiniji kvart.
U kojoj je to drzavi? I to se isto placa na stan u kojem zivis (kao prva nekretnina)?
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hebe se vlasti za priustivo stanovanje i mlade, to valjda kuzimo svi ne?
Netočno. Pre oštar si prema vladajućima.
Mi malo kasnimo po tom pitanju, kao i u svemu, no uskoro ipak dolazi priuštivo stanovanje i za mlade.
Mlade imigrante i mladu stranu jeftinu snagu.

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Po službenim podatcima porezne uprave m2 poslovnog prostora u jednoj od skupljih ulica u Splitu košta 2160 €. Za te pare ne mozes kupiti m2 parking mjesta izvan Splita, kamoli m2 poslovnog prostora u centru Splitu.
Ide to doli kad ti za koje desetljeće grad pretvore u favele...
Srećom mi kasnimo i po tom pitanju, ali ne brini se, zapovijedi sa vrha vrijede i za naše vazale, tako da...samo strpljenja.
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Osim ako u Slavoniji ne čuči par sto tisuća praznih stanova, nema teoretske šanse da u Dalmaciji, Istri, Kvarneru i Zagrebu ima 600 000 praznih stanova, iz jednostavnog razloga što je barem u Dalmaciji i Istri čak i garaža pretvorena u apartman/stan i nitko ne bi ostavljao stanove prazne.
Par postotaka od tih famoznih 600 000 je sigurno prazno, radi neriješenih imovinsko pravnih odnosa..
Što se tiče kupovina nekretnina u cashu, vidio ih milijun.
Recimo ako je vrijednost nekretnine 400 000 E, pola se da u cashu, pola na račun. I prodavatelji to uzimaju, jer će i oni kod kupovine iduće nekretnine moći dati dobar dio cijene u gotovini.


Što se tiče porezne uprave, ona je smiješna.
Po službenim podatcima porezne uprave m2 poslovnog prostora u jednoj od skupljih ulica u Splitu košta 2160 €. Za te pare ne mozes kupiti m2 parking mjesta izvan Splita, kamoli m2 poslovnog prostora u centru Splitu.


Inače, priča mi klijent iz države gdje se porez na nekretnine naplaćuje po stopi od 1 % tržišne vrijednosti nekretnine da mu svake godine dođe čestitka od porezne uprave na 50 000 €.
Ako nemaš platiti, ovrha. Zato je vani uobičajno da ako nemaš para za održavanje nekretnine, ili ostaneš bez prihoda prodaješ nekretnine i seliš u jeftiniji kvart.
Dogoditi ce se ono o cemu sam pricao, u nekoj selendri ce procjeniti nekretnine nerealno I onda ce ti lokalna zajednica zapljeniti nekretninu.
Nedavno je jedan to napisao da se njemu dogodilo, kupio je za 100k eura stan u zaledu, nije turisticko mjesto I rentao je na dnevnoj bazi. Sad je dosao novi zakon I jalni susjedi ne daju da se vise renta, a u tom mjestu nema posla pa nema ni potrage za dugorocnim najmom. Sad je zapeo sa stanom koji ne moze prodati, a uplatnice za porez na nekretnine ce samo dolaziti, jos kad ce osnovica biti vrijednost, onda je game over, bolje da odmah prepise lokalnoj zajednici.

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Da, u državi sa ovako devastiranim pravosuđem je suludo očekivati da će se razviti normalno tržište najma. Dok god kupnja i dugoročni najam ne budu jednako sigurna opcija, većina će i dalje radije birati trošak prazne nekretnine čuvajući je za djecu ili crne dane.
Za novce, nije baš ni mit, vjerojatno ovisi o ispostavi Porezne. Moje iskustvo od prije par godina: kupac donio ~100k € u buntovima po 500€, primopredaja obavljena kod JBa, u mjenjačnici provjerene novčanice, prodavatelji dobili svaki svoj dio, u Ugovor stavljen manji iznos. One koji su svoj dio odnijeli u banku isto nisu ništa pitali (stavljali su ispod tadašnjeg limita od 105k Kn za provjeru.).

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Meni isto ta brojka o 600k praznih izgleda kao teški spin, pa dovoljno je u Zg pogledati gužve po kvartovima ili pokušati naći parking navečer.
Problem sa procjenom će nastati kad to postane ozbiljan prihod JLS, mislim da će vrlo brzo ažurirati i službene tablice.
Većina ljudi ne može ni osvijestiti koliki su to iznosi (budu, kad im dođu rješenja na 3-4k godišnje). Pratim temu duže, još od prvog pokušaja uvođenja 2017-18., najprije su krenuli sa spinovima da će PNN samo zamijeniti Komunalnu naknadu. Već je to bio alarm za korupciju, zašto mijenjati strogo namjensko davanje porezom koji se slijeva u zajedničku vreću i može nenamjenski trošiti ?. Brzo se pokazalo da KN ostaje a da je PNN novi namet. Osim što sam tada vidio koliko su ljudi financijski nepismeni još više me razočaralo kako su većinu navukli na najprizemnije spinove, hrvatski jal u punom sjaju, "samo neka onaj bogati susjed plati (sigurno je lopov kad ima)". U takvim diskusijama je čest odgovor bio "pa to imaju i zapadne zemlje" ili "to je kapitalizam", samo što mi nismo ni uređena zapadna zemlja, nemamo pravosuđe a od kapitalizma imamo njegov najgori, crony mutant.
Inače, cijela priča počinje puno ranije, već se 2011. u dokumentima MMFa navodi da Hrvatska ima 1.5% PNN, samo tadašnji kvislinzi nisu imali muda to ni pokušati uvesti a ovi današnji su u međutku upisali tečaj kuhanja žabe.
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U kojoj je to drzavi? I to se isto placa na stan u kojem zivis (kao prva nekretnina)?

Italija. Ne znam dal se plaća i na stan u kojem živiš, sjećam se da je čovjek poludio od sreće kada je skužio da se kod nas ne plaća ništa.




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Dogoditi ce se ono o cemu sam pricao, u nekoj selendri ce procjeniti nekretnine nerealno I onda ce ti lokalna zajednica zapljeniti nekretninu.
Nedavno je jedan to napisao da se njemu dogodilo, kupio je za 100k eura stan u zaledu, nije turisticko mjesto I rentao je na dnevnoj bazi. Sad je dosao novi zakon I jalni susjedi ne daju da se vise renta, a u tom mjestu nema posla pa nema ni potrage za dugorocnim najmom. Sad je zapeo sa stanom koji ne moze prodati, a uplatnice za porez na nekretnine ce samo dolaziti, jos kad ce osnovica biti vrijednost, onda je game over, bolje da odmah prepise lokalnoj zajednici.
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A to u Engleskoj što spominjete je posebna priča. Pratim kanal jednog srbina koji živi i radi tamo pa je napravio više videa o tome što i kako se iznajmljuje i prodaje u Londonu i okolici. Prva fora je da se stan izgleda uopće ne može kupiti, uzimate lizing na npr 100 ili više godina i plaćate cijenu kao da kupujete stan. Ako godine lizinga padnu ispod 80, stan jako gubi na vrijednosti i banke za takve stanove teško ili nikako ne odobravaju kredite. Onda isti ti stanovi su kao vaši kad ih "kupite", ali zemljište na kojem se nalazi nekretnina nije, nego je i dalje od landlorda koji vam ga je "prodao" i onda vam nabija tzv "ground rent". Uz to, plaćate neku kvazi pričuvu za koju ako sam ga dobro shvatio je angažirana neka vanjska firma koju je angažirao ili je u vlasništvu istog tog landlorda (landlordovi su često firme ili bogati pojedinci) i u cijeni izgleda nije ništa. Tipa izgori žarulja i oni ju promijene i ispostave neku bolesnu cifru od 100 funti za zamijenu jedne žarulje u portunu i slične nebuloze vezane uz košenje trave u dvorištu i slično. Taj lease hold kada dođe npr na 85 godina treba odmah tražiti produženje od landlorda ali samo i jedino službeno preko odvjetnika i onda puknu neku cifru i dokupite za npr 5k funti još 100 godina. Uz to, imaju čak i neku spiku da "pomognu" ljudima koji nemaju love, pa im nude da "kupe" npr 40% stana na koji plaćaju kredu, a na ostalih 60% plaćaju rentu landlordu i to je naravno najskuplja opcija, co-ownership. Ima još tih caka i čudesa, ugl odvratno posloženo i sve na štetu normalnog čovjeka. Sada idu navodno neki zakoni da to malo reguliraju tj izgleda da će ukinuti lease hold i da će se stanovi moći jedino prodavati, ne više davati u lizing. Pa je npr spomenuo nekakvo naselje za starije osobe, one kućice u nizu. I sad, caka je u tome da se smiju useliti samo stanovnici koji imaju npr preko 60g. I kada oni umru, mlađi nasljednici se ne mogu useliti, a nemaju baš kome ni prodati. Moraju plaćati sva davanja, a i na nasljedstvo se u UK plaća 40% poreza na cifru preko mislim 230k funti. Bubam naslijedili ste nekretninu vrijednu 500k funti i plaćate 40% poreza na 270k. I sada su kaže nasljednici jedne takve nekretnine za starije osobe u totalnom kurcu jer ne mogu prodati ni iznajmiti ni živjeti, a davanja samo stižu....i tako će im se jednostavno otet nekretnine. Ako sam dobro shvatio, bez problema im država to uzme i za najmanji dug. Užasna politika koja ide na ruku samo eliti. E da, a pričao je i da je jako bitno gdje živite, kvart i to, jer vam o tome ovisi u koju školu možete upisati djete. Navodno ima dobrih i očajno loših škola i onda djeci i kasnije zaposlenje i slično ovisi o tome koju su školu pohađali. A dobre škole, iz dobrih kvartova prihvaćaju djecu samo iz tih kvartova. Pričao je da ima kolege koje bi onda unajmili kuće u okolici dobrih škola na godinu-dvije i to masno plaćali samo da im djete može u dobru školu. Postoje tamo i privatne škole, ali to su cifre od 30-50k funti godišnje i to je opet samo za elitu. Kuće se mogu kupiti bez problema i to da i teren bude vaš, ali...ima i tu caka, plaćate neku vrstu komunalnog (council tax) koji je valjda isto nakaradan ali ni blizu ničega čime vas deru u stanovima.

Sve u svemu jako nakaradno i nadam se i mislim da tako nečeg neće nikada biti kod nas.
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Staro 19.03.2026., 07:01   #1197
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O bit ce bit, ne brini.
Komunalnu nisu i nece ukinuti, tu su lagali ko psi. Upravo suprotno, ici ce gore vrtoglavo. PNN ce ici po vrijednosti, vjerovatno ce krenuti sa 0.5-1% vrijednosti, a kasnije samo nebo je granica. Pa ce poskupiti smece, voda i ostalo i to vrtoglavo.
Smislit ce oni jos toga, ali PNN je onaj glavni alat koji im je naređen od strane mmf, OECD i ostalih gofana, a oni su to odradili vrhunski trujuci narod zadnje 2g kroz medije jedne protiv drugih.
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Staro 19.03.2026., 07:26   #1198
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Da smo pametni kao Svicarci, svaki takav porez bi sprjecili referendumom. Ali nismo.
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Staro 19.03.2026., 08:19   #1199
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Samo retorički, zašto je ono ukinut zakon o porijeklu imovine ?.
Možeš ti postavljati retorička pitanja, ali svejedno ćeš dobiti odgovor. A odgovor je identičan odgovoru na pitanje "zašto se za potrebe političkih funkcija lakše dolazi do potvrde o nekažnjavanju nego za potrebe radnog mjesta portira?" : zato da se kriminalcima omogući da preuzmu državu.

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@mkey ... zaboravio si najvećeg vlasnika nekretnina.
Pored banaka i investitora? Država?

rodriguez, kod nas bi se to najefikasnije odradilo blokiranjem šakama.
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Da smo pametni kao Svicarci, svaki takav porez bi sprjecili referendumom. Ali nismo.
Postavili su uvjete za referendum koje je skoro pa nemoguce ispuniti.

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