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Staro 03.11.2025., 10:19   #841
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However, the concerning thing is that it was sending off all this data to the manufacturer's server.

A server fino hosta Peoples Liberation Army bez sumnje.
Kad počne rat budu pokušali ubiti vlasnike metodom potčkaljivanja
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Staro 03.11.2025., 10:38   #842
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A server fino hosta Peoples Liberation Army bez sumnje.
Kad počne rat budu pokušali ubiti vlasnike metodom potčkaljivanja



ja ne znam što se sada svi čude ...
Kad su preuzeli proizvodnju (Kinezi), preuzeli su sve


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Staro 03.11.2025., 12:49   #843
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Problem dragi moji kolege jest da ništa od toga nije zagonski regulirano i očito nema poriva to progurat zakonski da bi takva sranja bila kažnjiva. Nije to nekaj novo , ima godina dana da se takav sustav aktivno exploitira. U današnje vrijeme kad su kamere i mikrofoni doslovce svuda oko nas (uključujući i automobile, da) neznam čemu se svi čude. I to opet nema više veze s tim šta ko ima skrivat - ovo je aktivno iskorištavanja doslovce svih podataka korisnika koje generira vozilo , zarada na tim podacima plus opet zarada na kraju dana na samom korisniku i kod korištenja automobila (kupnja, održavanje) i kod samog osiguranja. Bez eksplicitne privole i bez sudskog naloga. To je big NO-NO, za sve , čak i one "koji nemaju kaj skrivati". Problem je kad će korisnici htjeti isključit telemtriju pa će biti blokada proizvoda "jer se ne koristi na predefirniran način". Svaki proizvođač može ugraditi "kill switch" , kao što sam neki dan pisao u temi automobila kad su kinezi remote iključivali svoje autobuse u državi EU. Tak da sve su to male izmjene koje su same za sebe problematične - kad sve skupa pogledamo kao "Big Picture" - pa...pametni nek zbroje 2 i 2.
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Staro 03.11.2025., 13:25   #844
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Zašto misliš da će ti zakonski ikada uopće biti omogućeno da isključiš telemetriju, kada ti oni već danas zakonski pokušavaju progurati Chat Control i razne iteracije istog?

Mislim da se nemamo više razloga nadati da će biti bolje. Kada smo glasali za ulazak u EU, nikog nije bilo briga kakve to dugoročne posljedice može imati (poput zakona koji se sada donose na razini EU, a nas više nitko ništa ne pita, gubitka monetarne suverenosti, itd.), bilo im je samo bitno šta više neće morati plaćati carinu i PDV na kupovinu artikala unutar EU, biznisi su trljali ruke šta će moći više toga uvoziti jeftinije, a Slavonija koja može hraniti cijelu RH i više, zjapi prazna...
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Staro 03.11.2025., 14:57   #845
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Zašto misliš da će ti zakonski ikada uopće biti omogućeno da isključiš telemetriju, kada ti oni već danas zakonski pokušavaju progurati Chat Control i razne iteracije istog?

Mislim da se nemamo više razloga nadati da će biti bolje. Kada smo glasali za ulazak u EU, nikog nije bilo briga kakve to dugoročne posljedice može imati (poput zakona koji se sada donose na razini EU, a nas više nitko ništa ne pita, gubitka monetarne suverenosti, itd.), bilo im je samo bitno šta više neće morati plaćati carinu i PDV na kupovinu artikala unutar EU, biznisi su trljali ruke šta će moći više toga uvoziti jeftinije, a Slavonija koja može hraniti cijelu RH i više, zjapi prazna...

Zato jer se radi o 2 potpuno različite stvari kolega. Za Chat Control je potrebno donjeti zakon da bude "legalan" i opet išlo bi po sudskom nalogu. Za ovo drugo treba izglasat zakon za zabranu , trenutno se iskorištavaju rupe u sustavu odnosno svi oni koriste priliku jer ne postoji zakon koji to eksplicitno zabranjuje. Bitna stavka (koja ga i izdvaja od prije spomenutog Chat Controla) jest da ne postoji ni zakon koji to eksplicitno dopušta ili određuje što se smije sakupljati i proslješivati te koji način baratati tim podacima. GDPR bi možda tu mogao igrat dosta bitnu ulogu al pošto nisam odvjetnik neću toliko duboko u taj dio. Osobno bih se više brinuo oko svih "online" *GPT opcija jer tko zna što se sve sprema i dobivaš "biljeg" za upotrebu kako Big IT i politika možda jednog dana odrede da bude prikladno. Čak i ako želiš izbrisati račun većina ih samo "onemogući". Povijest "razgovora" ostaje najčešće jer...LLM mora na nečem učiti jel
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Staro 03.11.2025., 17:03   #846
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Problem je kad će korisnici htjeti isključit telemtriju pa će biti blokada proizvoda "jer se ne koristi na predefirniran način".
Zakaj mislis da bi to bio problem? Ne koristis takav proizvod i bok.

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Nisam ispratio, ali sam isto tako poprilicno siguran da su te autobuse uzeli jer su jeftiniji a takva mogucnost ostala je u T&C-u.

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Zašto misliš da će ti zakonski ikada uopće biti omogućeno da isključiš telemetriju
Zasto bi uopce zakon regulirao nesto tako glupo kao telemetrija trece strane?

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Mislim da se nemamo više razloga nadati da će biti bolje.
Totalno su prihvatiti tvoj ravnozemljaski ragebait - a sto bi se to trebali "nadati da ce biti bolje"? Bolje nego kada prije? Odnosno, hoces li nam dati neku specificnu godinu, primjerice, kada je nesto bilo "bolje" a danas je tako katastrofalno lose?

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Kada smo glasali za ulazak u EU, nikog nije bilo briga kakve to dugoročne posljedice može imati
Kao recimo da ce nam lijepa gospodja iz Rumunjske hodati uokolo i rjesavati se odvratne korupcije koju nismo sami rjesavali kada smo glasali... za koga smo glasali?

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poput zakona koji se sada donose na razini EU, a nas više nitko ništa ne pita
Sto doslovce nije tako. Stovise, to je jedna od najvecih mana EU jer su procesi upravo suprotni. Pa cu te pitati - na koliko si javnih savjetovanja sudjelovao do sada? Moze i hrvatskih, ne moraju biti europski...

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Staro 03.11.2025., 17:12   #847
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Zakaj mislis da bi to bio problem? Ne koristis takav proizvod i bok.

Nisam ispratio, ali sam isto tako poprilicno siguran da su te autobuse uzeli jer su jeftiniji a takva mogucnost ostala je u T&C-u.

Naravno, samo se nadam da se ostali igrači ne odluče za tak nekaj. Kolko znam za sad je to jedini takav slučaj. Kaj se buseva tiče mislio sam na ovo. I da kako kažeš vjerojatno je bilo "najjeftiniji dobiva natječaj".
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Staro 03.11.2025., 19:58   #848
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ASML je isto rekao da mogu daljinski iskljuciti, vjerojatno i vecina eu proizvodaca, kao i sama Tesla.
Bit chat controla je da se moze sve nadzirati bez naloga, vjerojatno bi se automatski flagalo i slalo na daljnju analizu.

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Netko mi je danas komentirao da win 11 dio podataka zapisuje u matičnu ploču i bios, i da više nije dovoljno izvaditi/prebrisati/maknuti hdd kada recikliraš računalo nego je potrebno i uništiti matičnu ploču.

True or false?

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Netko mi je danas komentirao da win 11 dio podataka zapisuje u matičnu ploču i bios, i da više nije dovoljno izvaditi/prebrisati/maknuti hdd kada recikliraš računalo nego je potrebno i uništiti matičnu ploču.

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Netko mi je danas komentirao da win 11 dio podataka zapisuje u matičnu ploču i bios, i da više nije dovoljno izvaditi/prebrisati/maknuti hdd kada recikliraš računalo nego je potrebno i uništiti matičnu ploču.

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Windows licencu. Resetiraj TPM i Secure Boot i mir.
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Netko mi je danas komentirao da win 11 dio podataka zapisuje u matičnu ploču i bios, i da više nije dovoljno izvaditi/prebrisati/maknuti hdd kada recikliraš računalo nego je potrebno i uništiti matičnu ploču.
Pa sad bas da moras "unistiti maticnu plocu" je malo grubo, ali da, kao i svaki moderan OS, Windowsi upisuju svastanesto u ACPI tablice vec dugi niz godina.

Detalje mozes naci ovdje:

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Windows licencu. Resetiraj TPM i Secure Boot i mir.
AFAIR, kljuc se zapisuje u MSDM tabelu i cini mi se da je OTP tipa, tako da ga ne mozes "pobrisati", a najcesce ga ionako stavlja ODM. Ali ima ostalih podataka koji se zapisuju i koji su promjenjivi.
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mentalni proljev
Opet ti ?
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Oh the Irony....


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Ako majstor mentalnog proljeva ocijeni da je nešto mentalni proljev osjećam obavezu složiti se.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Mogao si samo napisati da si previse mentalno podkapacitiran da pronadjes neko javno savjetovanje, a kamo li da sudjelujes u njemu, ic okej, nismo svi za sve.
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Moguće samo za nas podkapacitirane, ali javno savjetovanje se u prošlosti pokazalo kao jedna iznimno efikasna metoda za sudjelovanje u demokratiji, negdje na nivou lajanja na mjesec. Da čovjek vjeruje u to valjda mora biti nadkapacitiran.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Moguće samo za nas podkapacitirane, ali javno savjetovanje se u prošlosti pokazalo kao jedna iznimno efikasna metoda za sudjelovanje u demokratiji, negdje na nivou lajanja na mjesec. Da čovjek vjeruje u to valjda mora biti nadkapacitiran.

1. Kontruktivna rasprava na forumu i stvarnom životu je dijalog dvoje (ili više) pojedinaca gdje se iznose stavovi potkrijepljeni činjenicama bez vrijeđanja ijednog od suučesnika rasprave
2. Individue društva posjeduju inteligenciju i znanje kako baratati životnim problemima - kratkoročno i dugoročno.
3. Društvo kao cjelina je pogotovo u današnje vrijeme glupo ko k*** i vjeruje svemu što pročita online bez imalo kritičkog razmišljanja.


Dakle - po tebi - u što spada nadasve "konstruktivan" gornji komentar? Previše čudnih ljudi u zadnje vrijeme drži mikrofon u ruci i obznanjuje "svoju istinu" bez da to potkrijepi činjenicama. U stvarnom životu i A kad ih se konfrotira ispadne baš ovo gore. Dakle, jeli se osjećaš obrazovan ili i dalje misliš da je komentar ok?
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1. Između mene i bubice mene prozivaš zbog nekontruktivnog komentara? Alllrighty then. Koga ja vrijeđam?
2. U redu, ako ti tako kažeš.
3. QED

Teško mi je odgonetnuti srž tvojeg komentara. Želiš od mene dokaz kako su javna savjetovanja u svezi donošenja zakona u RH ništa nego zakulisna igra kojom se ostavlja dojam demokratičnosti?
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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1. Između mene i bubice mene prozivaš zbog nekontruktivnog komentara? Alllrighty then. Koga ja vrijeđam?
2. U redu, ako ti tako kažeš.
3. QED

Teško mi je odgonetnuti srž tvojeg komentara. Želiš od mene dokaz kako su javna savjetovanja u svezi donošenja zakona u RH ništa nego zakulisna igra kojom se ostavlja dojam demokratičnosti?

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Ako majstor mentalnog proljeva ocijeni da je nešto mentalni proljev osjećam obavezu složiti se.

Ispada da se slažeš sa Neo-ST i njegovim postom. Barem sam ja tako shvatio.
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U pravu su, francuski politicari su bas iskreni i kazu da se 70-80% zakona donosi u EU, a kod nas to kaze samo Vladimir Seks kad previse konzumira.

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Šeks je istaknuo da će u Ustav biti ugrađena odredba po kojoj će za uspjeh referenduma o pristupanju Republike Hrvatske Europskoj uniji biti dovoljna potpora većine onih koji izađu na taj referendum. Dodao je kako se takva odredba “mnogima neće svidjeti”.

Šeks je posebice naglasio kako će proturječna tumačenja izazvati one odredbe ustavnih promjena koje će regulirati prijenos ustavnih ovlasti na institucije EU, te će to pokrenuti pitanja radi li se o “gubitku suverenosti”.

Pojasnio je kako će se u ustavnim promjenama posebnim člankom “dodatno naglasiti da RH ne pristupa bilo kakvoj organizaciji na koju prenosi neke od svojih ovlasti, već upravo takvoj koja štuje i štiti najviše vrijednosti europskog zajedništva i na njima se zasniva”.
To je bilo davno sad je jos gore jer EU pokusava biti nesto za sto je potpisan ugovor. Pokusava biti super drzava (a krenula je kao trgovinska unija), a drzave clanice u EU parlamentu glasaju kako im kaze njihov blok, vidjeli smo to po pitanju chat controla gdje je recimo vladajucima sasvim normalno da su svi krivi dok se ne dokaze nevinost, sve bi se poruke skenirale, a gdje je Njemacka priznala da ima preko 70% false positive rezultata.

Tako da nisu nista lose rekli, mozes ti ici na javno savjetovanje do sutra, ali ako gazde kazu ide eracun i fiskalizacija 2.0 bez da je sve spremno, to ide. Mozda eto nece proci mokri snovi porezne o zapljeni svih podataka bez sudskog naloga, ali i to je upitno, vidjeti cemo na kraju godine. To je navodno domaca inicijativa.

To je kao da slusam Vujcica kako je HNB i dalje relevantan sad kad nemamo vise kunu, sigurno je da provodi poslusno politiku ECB-a kao sto je trenutno niska kamatna stopa koja nam steti i da daje glupe izjave gdje u dvije recenice na pitanje odgovori da, a u drugoj ne, sve pokriva.

Sabor isto, potvrduje ono sto nam dode od gazda iz Brisela.

Ako nesto nije jasno, Slovackoj su pauzirana sredstva dok ne makne iz ustava postojanje samo dva spola, to je protivno duhu EU.

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Moguće samo za nas podkapacitirane, ali javno savjetovanje se u prošlosti pokazalo kao jedna iznimno efikasna metoda za sudjelovanje u demokratiji, negdje na nivou lajanja na mjesec. Da čovjek vjeruje u to valjda mora biti nadkapacitiran.
Da ti pojednostavnim pitanje: u koliko si *javnih savjetovanja* sudjelovao i temeljem tvojih iskustava i konstruktivno produktivnih komentara, kako se to reflektiralo na krajnji ishod? Hvala.

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Tako da nisu nista lose rekli, mozes ti ici na javno savjetovanje do sutra, ali ako gazde kazu ide eracun i fiskalizacija 2.0 bez da je sve spremno, to ide.
Da pokusam prefrazirati ovo tvoje: mozes ti ici na javno savjetovanje do sutra, ali ako je gazda rekao da je ubojstvo kaznjivo zakonom, to ide.

No shit. To nije poanta *javnih savjetovanja*, barem ne u tom trivijaliziranom smislu.

Hrvatska kao postsocijalisticka tranzicijska zemlja i jest na dnu ljestvice razumijevanja takvih procesa (pocevsi od elementarnih kao sto su glasovanja na izborima pa nadalje) pa smo zato tu gdje jesmo u mnogim stvarima, prije svega razvoju civilnog drustva.

Za to postoje dva razloga: vecina glasnih forumsko-birtaskih analfabeta je, kako rekoh, naprosto podkapacitirana, sto tehnicki, sto svijescu, za sudjelovanje u takvom procesu. To je nesporno i nije vrijedno razmatranja uzorka. Ostatak je nedovoljno informiran ali ni ne pokazuje pretjerani interes jer je lakse setati shopping centrom i laprdat nego sudjelovati u onome sto bi ih se moglo direktno doticati pa onda laprdati naknadno.

Za posljednji primjer, doduse, mozes imati protuargument kokos-jaje tipa, jer barem koliko sam ja primjetio, o tome se u Hrvatskoj dosta tiho prica. No s druge strane, iz mojeg iskustva u radu tijela poput ETSI-a, CEN-a i CENELEC-a i drugih, i to konkretno na temu CRA, trabunjanje o "gazdama" i apokrifnim legendama o tome kako se (barem ovaj) dio zivota kroji na sniclama u katakombama od nokturnih tipova je naprosto odraz elementarnog nepoznavanja materije (manji dio problema) i totalne kurcobolje (esencija).

Apsolutno mi je jasno da postoji i psiholoski segment - nisam dovoljno dobar/strucan/ne poznajem procese. To je razumno i u redu, ali ne moze do vijeka biti opravdanje i na kraju dana - sasvim je usvojivo, no trazi inicijativu pojedinaca a ne "drzava bi trebala nesto d'uradi" koncept koji je jako drag prosjecnom zitelju ovih prostora.

Postoje li interesni (komercijalni i politicki) lobiji? Svakako, ne znam je li to vrijedno spominjanja ili cudjenja. No isto tako postoji i snaga razvijenog civilnog drustva koja je sve samo ne beznacajna.
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Ispada da se slažeš sa Neo-ST i njegovim postom. Barem sam ja tako shvatio.
Ono što sam konkretno htio kazati, bez slaganja ili neslaganja s bilo kime, je da je iznimno ironično da onaj tko je u ovim krajevima poznat po brojnim ispadima nekoga optužuje za mentalni proljev. "Hubris" to inače zovu na engleskom, nisam siguran koji bio pandan na materinjem jeziku.

Da li je komentar sam po sebi bio konstruktivan teško je reći, ali po meni nije bio destruktivan, makar ne namjerno.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Ono što sam konkretno htio kazati, bez slaganja ili neslaganja s bilo kime, je da je iznimno ironično da onaj tko je u ovim krajevima poznat po brojnim ispadima nekoga optužuje za mentalni proljev. "Hubris" to inače zovu na engleskom, nisam siguran koji bio pandan na materinjem jeziku.

Da li je komentar sam po sebi bio konstruktivan teško je reći, ali po meni nije bio destruktivan, makar ne namjerno.

Posipam se pepelom i guram nos u blato Isprike mkey.
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Nema nikakvih problema kolega, došlo je do prekida u linijama. I meni je ovaj dan bio zbrda zdola od jutra, krivim puni mjesec.

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Da ti pojednostavnim pitanje: u koliko si *javnih savjetovanja* sudjelovao i temeljem tvojih iskustava i konstruktivno produktivnih komentara, kako se to reflektiralo na krajnji ishod? Hvala.
Sudjelovao sam, odnosno pokušao sudjelovati dva puta.

Iskreno više se ne sjećam o kojim se točno zakonima radilo, ali jedna od tih situacija je bilo pitanje prepisivanja ZOGO u ZGO, ili možda jedne od nekoliko iteracija između.

To sam činio pošto me zanima tematika i s obzirom da sam zbog istog na sudu već preko 6 godina, zahvaljujući čemu sam prikupio brojna saznanja oko toga kako sudovi funkcioniraju i čemu zapravo služe. Pa makar to bili sporovi male vrijednosti, a kako se pokazalo niti jedna vrijednost nije premalena da bi se sitne duše za istu prodale.

Kako je taj zakon bio krcat rupama, koje su se zatrpavale podzakonskim aktima, bilo je sijaset kvalitetnih komentara koji su svi redom ignorirani. Naime, vlastodršci su dužni odgovoriti na sve komentare, a to i učine (vjerojatno putem automatizacije) na način da gotovo svi dobiju isti boilerplate odgovor.

Konkretno me zanimala rupa u zakonu kojom se namjerno ostavlja prostor za muljanje prilikom izjednačavanja "volumena spremnika" i "mase otpada".

Druga jako zanimljiva rupa (u starom ZOGO, kasnije eliminirano) je ona kojom je omogućeno da se tajnim dopisom ministarstva (kojeg sam ja dobio pukim slučajem jer sam bio u kontaktu s pravim ljudima, na pravom mjestu, u pravo vrijeme) omogućuje komunalcima odgoda prikupljanja biorazgradivog otpada na praktično neograničeni rok, ali ipak kao limitirano na pet godina, zahvaljujući prije navedenom dopisu. Da bi jednostavno, prije isteka tog roka, prepisali zakon i potpuno zaboravili na cijelu odredbu.

I tako ja u rukama imam presudu za drugostupanjskog suda u Karlovcu kojom velebna sutkinja mrtva hladna tvrdi kako nedostajuća evidencija odvoza nije bitna, iako tako jasno stoji u predmetnom zakonu, a obveza plaćanja postoji, jer, eto, postoji obveza plaćanja a iznos obračuna proizvoljan.

Imam sada još par friških presuda, također na moju štetu, u kojima je rečeno kako nije bitno to što službena evidencija evidentira kako je s moje adrese odvezeno kakvih 87 kubnih metara otpada u razdoblju 9/23 do 1/24. Budem to opet dignuo na drugostupanjski, pa neka se netko tamo prodaje za tih sto eura, utoliko će mi biti veći užitak.

Da se vratim na temu (koja uopće niti nije tema ovdje, škužajte), mogu kazati da je refleksija nastojanja sudjelovanja u savjetovanjima (u vidu pokušaja utjecanja na pravičnost, logiku i pravdu) na krajnji ishod bila sve u svemu jedna velika nula. Ništa, drugim riječima.

Da i ne spominjem kako se neke zakone progura na brzinu bez da se ide čak i na to i takvo savjetovanje. Tja, da nema hitnoće gdje bi bili danas?

Sve ovo naravno ne znači kako je svako savjetovanje isto, možda je bilo primjera gdje su se "konstruktivni" prijedlozi prihvaćali. Teško je to sve pratiti. Moje iskustvo je dva od 30 hiljada izmjena, nije baš neki pozamašan uzorak.

Donosim zaključak kako imamo asimetričnu situaciju gdje se financirana manjina poigrava nefinanciranom, i poprilično neukom, većinom. Izmjena u zakonima je ogromna količina te je dosta teško pratiti i promjene u svega par zakona i vezanih podzakonskih akata.

Kao npr. nekadašnji ZOGO sa pripadajućom uredbom, te raznim već spomenutim tajnim "aktima", koji je nakon više iteracija postao ZGO, što je uključivalo farsično izostavljanje riječi "održivo" iz naziva zakona.

Moram prihvatiti kako praćenje takvog beskrajnog zakonodavnog procesa iziskuje investiciju koju si mnogi ne mogu priuštiti. I taj trud kojeg sam ja uložio je nešto što velika većina nikada neće niti bi isto uzela u razmatranje.

Zakonodavni proces nosi svoj trošak, uz minimalnu, ako ne neizvjesnu, mogućnost stjecanja neke prednosti za bilo kojeg pojedinca koji je i član zainteresirane javnosti.

Ako netko želi inzistirati na vjerovanju kako je takvo savjetovanje značajka demokracije, ja mogu izraziti samo nevjericu, ali naravno da je svatko slobodan vjerovati što god želi.

Predlažem gledanje za temu relevantne prezentacije Anthony Daviesa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxmXeLEcs9s
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A bungled October 18 heist that saw $102 million of crown jewels stolen from the Louvre in broad daylight has exposed years of lax security at the national art museum. From trivial passwords like 'LOUVRE' to decades-old, unsupported systems and easy rooftop access, the job was made surprisingly easy. PC Gamer reports:
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As Rogue cofounder and former Polygon arch-jester Cass Marshall notes on Bluesky, we owe a lot of videogame designers an apology. We've spent years dunking on the emptyheadedness of game characters leaving their crucial security codes and vault combinations in the open for anyone to read, all while the Louvre has been using the password "Louvre" for its video surveillance servers. That's not an exaggeration. Confidential documents reviewed by Liberation detail a long history of Louvre security vulnerabilities, dating back to a 2014 cybersecurity audit performed by the French Cybersecurity Agency (ANSSI) at the museum's request. ANSSI experts were able to infiltrate the Louvre's security network to manipulate video surveillance and modify badge access.

"How did the experts manage to infiltrate the network? Primarily due to the weakness of certain passwords which the French National Cybersecurity Agency (ANSSI) politely describes as 'trivial,'" writes Liberation's Brice Le Borgne via machine translation. "Type 'LOUVRE' to access a server managing the museum's video surveillance, or 'THALES' to access one of the software programs published by... Thales." The museum sought another audit from France's National Institute for Advanced Studies in Security and Justice in 2015. Concluded two years later, the audit's 40 pages of recommendations described "serious shortcomings," "poorly managed" visitor flow, rooftops that are easily accessible during construction work, and outdated and malfunctioning security systems. Later documents indicate that, in 2025, the Louvre was still using security software purchased in 2003 that is no longer supported by its developer, running on hardware using Windows Server 2003.
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To je jedna tako čudna priča. Netko je na twatteru napisao kako je cijela ta drama oko ustajanja rano ujutro nepotrebna, kada su čak i pljačkaši Louvra krenuli u vrlo razumnih 9:30
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