Kratki lagovi na PCu s Win 11

[Roberto]

Imam problem na jednoj Lenovo ThinkCentre kanti s Win 11.

Dolazi do povremenog laga, ili kratki freeze/unfreeze. Po par dana zna sve biti ok, a onda se par dana po 4-5x randomly dogodi lag.

Npr, saveam nešto u Wordu/AutoCadu i kad stisneš save, sve stane na par sekundi prije nego savea. Ili pak idem s mišem po desktopu i hoću odvuć file u folder, desi se taj lag/freeze, sekundu dvije kasnije se odmrzne i kursor miša je dalje od tog foldera gdje sam htio odvuć.

Ne znam kako to bolje objasnit. Testirao malo hardver, nisam našo nikakve greške ni probleme. Nisam uspio ni povezat s nekim određenim programom. Radi danima ok

Probao sam updetat win, driver gpua (nvidia quadro) i ništa, probao sfc, restorat health, ništa.

Ima li netko ideju što bi moglo bit? Ili što još mogu probat? Mogu li nekako s nekim programom probat "snimit" lag? Jer ne vidim ništa što bi odskakalo ni u task manageru ni event vieweru.

[tomek@vz]

Znam točno što misliš, isto sranje se i meni događa na dva SSD-a (Lenovo LOQ). Ja sam primjetio i kad desno dole otvaram onaj menu gdje su one sve cickarije za zvuk i to da isto tak na sekundu se smrzne kao. 11-ca je jednostavno čudna.

[The Exiled]

Jeste provjerili kaj sve DPC Latency Checker ili LatencyMon otkrivaju uz kombinaciju AutoRuns i Process Explorer pozadinskih peripetija. Kakva god Windows 11 bila tragikomedija, nije baš normalno da se smrzne ničim izazvan kroz svakodnevno korištenje. I za svaki slučaj provjerite Task Scheduler, jer tu isto ima dosta automatskih pozadinskih gluposti koje doprinose da se OS nepotrebno svako malo smrzne iz čista mira.

[Zeryx]

meni je slicne probleme stvarao HDD. ne vidim imas li ssd ili hdd.

ali slicno mi je bilo. pc se smrzne na odredeno vrijeme od 5 sec do minutu.
nije bilo bitno jesam li surfao, igrao, gledao film, nije bilo bitno jel laptop bio vruc ili hladan.

samo sve stane, hdd se prestane vrtiti i nakon odredenog vremena se hdd opet zavrti i nastavi sve po starom. kad sam stavio ssd i hdd stavio umjesto dvda sve se rijesilo.

a prije tog sam pokusavao win istalirati, micat rame, testirat sve zivo, mijenjao paste na cemu se sve dalo...

mozda pomogne nekom iako sad vecina ima ssd za os pa ne bi trebalo bit ovakvih problema. ovo je bilo prije 7-8 godina.

[Nikky]

To kad je HDD u pitanju nije ni čudno ....
ako je SSD onda se zna razlog, W10/11 smetje ima u pozadini cca 100 procesa "viška" koji služe njima a ne tebi .... sve do onog bezorazluka da tvoja mašina (po defaultu) služi i za propagaciju win update ...

[Roberto]

Autor The Exiled

Jeste provjerili kaj sve DPC Latency Checker ili LatencyMon otkrivaju uz kombinaciju AutoRuns i Process Explorer pozadinskih peripetija. Kakva god Windows 11 bila tragikomedija, nije baš normalno da se smrzne ničim izazvan kroz svakodnevno korištenje. I za svaki slučaj provjerite Task Scheduler, jer tu isto ima dosta automatskih pozadinskih gluposti koje doprinose da se OS nepotrebno svako malo smrzne iz čista mira.

Nisam latencymon isprobao, budem još i njega probao.

SSD je u kompu i komp je nov, uredno testiran i gore su licencirani os, office i autocad, plus chrome opera, acrobat reader i vlc. Ništa više. Sva nepotrebna lenovo sranja sam deinstalirao, počistio autoran. Probat ću isforsat win 11 update ako ga ima i latency mon još, pa ako ne pomogne ide reinstall za vikend.

Moguće da je do Win 11 na kraju. Imam na jednom drugom kompu slučaj gdje win 11 nakon svakog restarta makne kvačicu sa "index this file" na .pst fikeovima. I što god radio i pokušavao, ništa ne pomaže, probso rebuildat search i index, novi outlook profil, resetirao i ponovno podesio office, ništa. I tu me čeka reinstall jer klijent pizdi što mu pst search ne radi

Uvijek tu postoji i onaj what if... Što ako bude isto nakon reinstalla

[The Exiled]

Za Windows Update možeš uključiti da ih pauzira na najviše koliko ide, npr. 5 tjedni, tak da u međuvremenu ne gnjavi, ne instalira, ne restarta ništa sam od sebe.

Kaj se pretraživanja tiče, Everything se fino može podesiti i integrirati u sam OS, pa se na taj način makneš od ovih Windows čuda tehnike.

[Exy]

Autor Nikky

.... sve do onog bezorazluka da tvoja mašina (po defaultu) služi i za propagaciju win update ...

Uh, to je jedan od većih užasa i prvo što isključim nakon friške instalacije.

[tomek@vz]

Autor The Exiled

Jeste provjerili kaj sve DPC Latency Checker ili LatencyMon otkrivaju uz kombinaciju AutoRuns i Process Explorer pozadinskih peripetija. Kakva god Windows 11 bila tragikomedija, nije baš normalno da se smrzne ničim izazvan kroz svakodnevno korištenje. I za svaki slučaj provjerite Task Scheduler, jer tu isto ima dosta automatskih pozadinskih gluposti koje doprinose da se OS nepotrebno svako malo smrzne iz čista mira.

Nikaj čudnog ispod haube se ne pokreće. Hovewer evo što je Latency Monitor javio čim sam kliknuo dolje na one systray ikonice (je smrzo se na par sekundi):

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CONCLUSION
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Your system appears to be having trouble handling real-time audio and other tasks. You are likely to experience buffer underruns appearing as drop outs, clicks or pops. One or more DPC routines that belong to a driver running in your system appear to be executing for too long. One problem may be related to power management, disable CPU throttling settings in Control Panel and BIOS setup. Check for BIOS updates.
LatencyMon has been analyzing your system for 0:00:31 (h:mm:ss) on all processors.

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SYSTEM INFORMATION
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Computer name:                                        DESKTOP-VTE3IF7
OS version:                                           Windows 11, 10.0, version 2009, build: 26100 (x64)
Hardware:                                             83DX, LENOVO
BIOS:                                                 NZCN27WW
CPU:                                                  AuthenticAMD AMD Ryzen 5 8645HS w/ Radeon 760M Graphics
Logical processors:                                   12
Processor groups:                                     1
Processor group size:                                 12
RAM:                                                  15674 MB total


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CPU SPEED
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Reported CPU speed (WMI):                             3430 MHz
Reported CPU speed (registry):                        4292 MHz

Note: reported execution times may be calculated based on a fixed reported CPU speed. Disable variable speed settings like Intel Speed Step and AMD Cool N Quiet in the BIOS setup for more accurate results.


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MEASURED INTERRUPT TO USER PROCESS LATENCIES
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The interrupt to process latency reflects the measured interval that a usermode process needed to respond to a hardware request from the moment the interrupt service routine started execution. This includes the scheduling and execution of a DPC routine, the signaling of an event and the waking up of a usermode thread from an idle wait state in response to that event.

Highest measured interrupt to process latency (µs):   690,70
Average measured interrupt to process latency (µs):   16,594965

Highest measured interrupt to DPC latency (µs):       204,0
Average measured interrupt to DPC latency (µs):       1,807287


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 REPORTED ISRs
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Interrupt service routines are routines installed by the OS and device drivers that execute in response to a hardware interrupt signal.

Highest ISR routine execution time (µs):              78,546132
Driver with highest ISR routine execution time:       Wdf01000.sys - Kernel Mode Driver Framework Runtime, Microsoft Corporation

Highest reported total ISR routine time (%):          0,000953
Driver with highest ISR total time:                   HDAudBus.sys - High Definition Audio Bus Driver, Microsoft Corporation

Total time spent in ISRs (%)                          0,001061

ISR count (execution time <250 µs):                   345
ISR count (execution time 250-500 µs):                0
ISR count (execution time 500-1000 µs):               0
ISR count (execution time 1000-2000 µs):              0
ISR count (execution time 2000-4000 µs):              0
ISR count (execution time >=4000 µs):                 0


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REPORTED DPCs
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DPC routines are part of the interrupt servicing dispatch mechanism and disable the possibility for a process to utilize the CPU while it is interrupted until the DPC has finished execution.

Highest DPC routine execution time (µs):              2003,186859
Driver with highest DPC routine execution time:       ntoskrnl.exe - NT Kernel & System, Microsoft Corporation

Highest reported total DPC routine time (%):          0,006918
Driver with highest DPC total execution time:         ntoskrnl.exe - NT Kernel & System, Microsoft Corporation

Total time spent in DPCs (%)                          0,020630

DPC count (execution time <250 µs):                   26557
DPC count (execution time 250-500 µs):                0
DPC count (execution time 500-10000 µs):              0
DPC count (execution time 1000-2000 µs):              0
DPC count (execution time 2000-4000 µs):              1
DPC count (execution time >=4000 µs):                 0


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 REPORTED HARD PAGEFAULTS
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Hard pagefaults are events that get triggered by making use of virtual memory that is not resident in RAM but backed by a memory mapped file on disk. The process of resolving the hard pagefault requires reading in the memory from disk while the process is interrupted and blocked from execution.

NOTE: some processes were hit by hard pagefaults. If these were programs producing audio, they are likely to interrupt the audio stream resulting in dropouts, clicks and pops. Check the Processes tab to see which programs were hit.

Process with highest pagefault count:                 shellhost.exe

Total number of hard pagefaults                       1582
Hard pagefault count of hardest hit process:          824
Number of processes hit:                              32


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 PER CPU DATA
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CPU 0 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0,521844
CPU 0 ISR highest execution time (µs):                78,546132
CPU 0 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,004059
CPU 0 ISR count:                                      345
CPU 0 DPC highest execution time (µs):                229,577120
CPU 0 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,029709
CPU 0 DPC count:                                      4010
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CPU 1 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0,290492
CPU 1 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0,0
CPU 1 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,0
CPU 1 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 1 DPC highest execution time (µs):                18,985322
CPU 1 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,000076
CPU 1 DPC count:                                      31
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CPU 2 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0,148051
CPU 2 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0,0
CPU 2 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,0
CPU 2 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 2 DPC highest execution time (µs):                19,075489
CPU 2 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,000599
CPU 2 DPC count:                                      228
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CPU 3 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0,145728
CPU 3 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0,0
CPU 3 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,0
CPU 3 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 3 DPC highest execution time (µs):                16,390494
CPU 3 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,000220
CPU 3 DPC count:                                      49
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CPU 4 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0,226714
CPU 4 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0,0
CPU 4 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,0
CPU 4 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 4 DPC highest execution time (µs):                2003,186859
CPU 4 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,032843
CPU 4 DPC count:                                      16327
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CPU 5 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0,970894
CPU 5 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0,0
CPU 5 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,0
CPU 5 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 5 DPC highest execution time (µs):                38,231128
CPU 5 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,001090
CPU 5 DPC count:                                      352
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CPU 6 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0,089398
CPU 6 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0,0
CPU 6 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,0
CPU 6 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 6 DPC highest execution time (µs):                45,985555
CPU 6 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,000642
CPU 6 DPC count:                                      183
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CPU 7 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0,086425
CPU 7 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0,0
CPU 7 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,0
CPU 7 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 7 DPC highest execution time (µs):                13,334809
CPU 7 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,000471
CPU 7 DPC count:                                      138
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CPU 8 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0,395503
CPU 8 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0,0
CPU 8 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,0
CPU 8 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 8 DPC highest execution time (µs):                219,197810
CPU 8 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,009103
CPU 8 DPC count:                                      3951
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CPU 9 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0,352032
CPU 9 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0,0
CPU 9 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,0
CPU 9 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 9 DPC highest execution time (µs):                160,428472
CPU 9 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,002197
CPU 9 DPC count:                                      797
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CPU 10 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0,072547
CPU 10 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0,0
CPU 10 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,0
CPU 10 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 10 DPC highest execution time (µs):                185,675443
CPU 10 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,000976
CPU 10 DPC count:                                      204
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CPU 11 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       0,060033
CPU 11 ISR highest execution time (µs):                0,0
CPU 11 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,0
CPU 11 ISR count:                                      0
CPU 11 DPC highest execution time (µs):                67,545666
CPU 11 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,000984
CPU 11 DPC count:                                      288
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Zakaj bi ga audio usporavao ako sam mu složio da nikakve sistemske zvukove ne pušta? IRQ Error?

[The Exiled]

Najčešće je u pitanju sfušani driver ili pozadinski servis, a i sve one šparne Power Management opcije isto imaju taj efekt, jer Windows OS dan-danas ne zna s tim baratati kak spada.