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Staro 08.10.2023., 09:12   #1
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Koliko naplatiti instalaciju servera i klijenata (ad, dc)?

Koliko odnosno kako (po satu, po pc-ju?) naplatiti instalaciju servera, podesavanje active directoryja, na jedan server i 5+ pc-ja?

Gledam sta bi bilo najpostenije.

Slusam, pretvorio sam se u uho 😁
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Staro 08.10.2023., 10:23   #2
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da meni odradis po principi next-next-finish, nebi ti nist platil
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Staro 25.10.2023., 12:08   #3
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Putem satnice. Sat = XY€ i udri.
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po satu, definitivno.
Možeš dati procjenu, ali definitivno po satu.
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Staro 25.10.2023., 14:59   #5
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Hvala na odgovorima momci.

Tako sam i mislio da je najpostenije.

E, a kolika bi bila ok satnica?

Jedni spominju 100€ (bez PDV-a), drugi 65€.

Ne bih htio pretjerivati...
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Staro 25.10.2023., 16:08   #6
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Staro 25.10.2023., 16:11   #7
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Komp 60€ (pa puta X komada), server i ostalo vezano uz to 200€.
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Staro 25.10.2023., 16:29   #8
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Hvala. Sad mi je bar lakse oko definiranja cijene.
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Staro 25.10.2023., 17:15   #9
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Staro 24.10.2024., 10:23   #11
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Koliko je realna cifra za naplatiti zamjenu ekrana na jednom laptopu i hladnjaka u drugom?

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Staro 24.10.2024., 10:35   #12
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naplaćuješ svoje vrijeme po satu, to ti je najpoštenije + materijal koji eventualno trebaš nabaviti, uzeti, zamijeniti...

Ako je to ovako na crno, onda možeš slobodno nekih 40-50€ po satu.
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Staro 24.10.2024., 15:19   #13
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Koliko naplatiti instalaciju servera i klijenata (ad, dc)?

Po meni treba naplatiti znanje a ne vrijeme. Samo kupleraj i tvornica danas naplacuje po satu, a cak i kupleraj ne daje istu uslugu po satu. Negdje si zadovoljan negdje ne. I autokuce jer nemaju kako drukcije napltiti rad pa naprave normativ za svaki posao. Naplacivanje po satu je kaznjavanje onih koji imaju znanje. Naplata po satu je zastarjelo socijalisticko vrijeme. Ako ja posao naplatim 100€ i traje 3 sata, klijent mora biti sretan ako to isto i bez gubljenja kvalitete mogu odraditi u 1 sat.
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Staro 24.10.2024., 15:22   #14
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i to znanje se uračuna u definiranju cijene "po satu".
netko naplati 20€/h, netko 200€/h.
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Staro 24.10.2024., 15:24   #15
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Koliko naplatiti instalaciju servera i klijenata (ad, dc)?

Jasno ali ja mislim da se to treba promijeniti. Treba dogovoriti posao po principu “Ovaj posao košta ,izmišljam, 150€, trajanje od 1-3 sata”. Imho naravno. Primjer 2, malo drukciji ali opisuje cijenu rada po satu, ako si zaposlenik u firmi i ti firmi u 8 sati napraviš duplo više od onog drugog, imate isto znanje ali si ti jednostavno brzi, firma ce te kazniti tako sto ti daje istu placu za tih 8 sati. Osim ako je firma fer pa dobijes velike bonuse.

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Staro 24.10.2024., 17:11   #16
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ako napravim duplo više od drugog, onda ću imati i veću plaću, u protivnom, nećemo raditi u istoj firmi.
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ako napravim duplo više od drugog, onda ću imati i veću plaću, u protivnom, nećemo raditi u istoj firmi.
onda imaš jako jako mali izbor firmi u hr.... se
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ako napravim duplo više od drugog, onda ću imati i veću plaću, u protivnom, nećemo raditi u istoj firmi.

Ako ne nadjes takvu motivirajucu firmu, radit ces manje tj dovoljno da ispunis kvotu od 8 sati i da odradis svoju placu sto dovodi do neproduktivnosti i neiskoristivosti potencijala i znanja. Zato i jesmo tu gdje jesmo. Dok neke zemlje zadrzavaju preduktivnost a smanjuju radne sate uz istu placu sto znaci da radni sati nisu bitni osim u tvornicama koje rade u 3 smjene tj 24/7 ili 24/6 pa je radni dan 8h i placa na sat.
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Staro 24.10.2024., 19:02   #19
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ako napravim duplo više od drugog, onda ću imati i veću plaću, u protivnom, nećemo raditi u istoj firmi.
Daj napravi neki tutorial kako ovo postići. Moji pokušaji u postizanju istog su više manje svi završavali na isti način: pi*karanje u nekoliko etapa i konačno davanje otkaza. Uvijek uz maksimalno čuđenje

Čak i nije pitanje toga da li odradiš brže, više, kvalitetnije; odradiš i to je poznata činjenica koju nitko ne dovodi u pitanje, ali na kraju, kako reče Ričard, kur*ina. A siguran sam da nađu nekoga sličnog profila u nastojanju da ga zaposle platili bi više.

Inače ovo što spominje kolega spawn ima smisla i sigurno je ispravno, samo premalo ljudi to radi. Počev od mene.
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Problem je decki da u IT kao i svugdje se rijetko trazi kvaliteta...samo da manje kosta, samo da se moze vise ustediti. Kad vidim kolikim sam kretenima okruzen koji samo gledaju svoje projekte (dupe) bez obzira na katastrofalne posljedice na Big Picture dize mi se kosa na glavi. Bitno je da znas pricat i da se guras u guzicu managementu. Takvi doguraju jebeno daleko. Kvalitetne IT ekipe je vrlo, vrlo malo i cesto su potplaceni za ono sto rade (al su dobri najcesce jer to rade iz gusta i dok im pase placa ne traze vise).
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Problem je decki da u IT kao i svugdje se rijetko trazi kvaliteta...samo da manje kosta, samo da se moze vise ustediti. Kad vidim kolikim sam kretenima okruzen koji samo gledaju svoje projekte (dupe) bez obzira na katastrofalne posljedice na Big Picture dize mi se kosa na glavi. Bitno je da znas pricat i da se guras u guzicu managementu. Takvi doguraju jebeno daleko. Kvalitetne IT ekipe je vrlo, vrlo malo i cesto su potplaceni za ono sto rade (al su dobri najcesce jer to rade iz gusta i dok im pase placa ne traze vise).
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Po meni treba naplatiti znanje a ne vrijeme. Samo kupleraj i tvornica danas naplacuje po satu, a cak i kupleraj ne daje istu uslugu po satu. Negdje si zadovoljan negdje ne. I autokuce jer nemaju kako drukcije napltiti rad pa naprave normativ za svaki posao. Naplacivanje po satu je kaznjavanje onih koji imaju znanje. Naplata po satu je zastarjelo socijalisticko vrijeme. Ako ja posao naplatim 100€ i traje 3 sata, klijent mora biti sretan ako to isto i bez gubljenja kvalitete mogu odraditi u 1 sat.

Slažem se u potpunosti.
Ako znaš posao, naplata po satu je bolja za klijenta, a gora za tebe.
Ako ne znaš posao, naplata po satu je bolja za tebe, gora za klijenta.



U mojoj branši se, pogotovo kada se radi sa UK/USA vrijeme računa u intervalima od 6 minuta, jer su oni tako navikli.


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Problem je decki da u IT kao i svugdje se rijetko trazi kvaliteta...samo da manje kosta, samo da se moze vise ustedit.
u svakoj branši ti je isto.
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Po meni treba naplatiti znanje a ne vrijeme. Samo kupleraj i tvornica danas naplacuje po satu, a cak i kupleraj ne daje istu uslugu po satu. Negdje si zadovoljan negdje ne. I autokuce jer nemaju kako drukcije napltiti rad pa naprave normativ za svaki posao. Naplacivanje po satu je kaznjavanje onih koji imaju znanje. Naplata po satu je zastarjelo socijalisticko vrijeme. Ako ja posao naplatim 100€ i traje 3 sata, klijent mora biti sretan ako to isto i bez gubljenja kvalitete mogu odraditi u 1 sat.

Slažem se. Osim toga ako odeš na pauzu ili se spustiš po drugi laptop u auto ovaj koji plaća odmah gleda kako zabušavaš i jesi li baš trebao taj drugi laptop ili nisi…

Yebesh takav posao.

Muka mi dođe kada čujem “čovjek-sat”. Kao da radim s lopatom i krampom a ne s tipkovnicom.
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eh, jeste ga sada nadrobili.
A čoviku odgovora niste dali.
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Koliko je realna cifra za naplatiti zamjenu ekrana na jednom laptopu i hladnjaka u drugom?

dobro sam si metnuo, mislim da je ovo zadnji put da ista radim takvo.
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i eto, posao nisi napravio, nemaju te šta platiti.
Osim ako nisi po satu definirao posa
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Koliko naplatiti instalaciju servera i klijenata (ad, dc)?

Posao naplatis svakako. Sat,2 ili 5 svejedno. Odradio si sto treba i ako nisi ti narucivao dijelove njihov problem. Inace, ako nisu dijelovi tvoji, moras se ograditi u pocetku i reci klijentima “što ako”. U pravilu sve manje servisera bilo koje branše radi sa tuđim dijelovima bas iz tvog navedenog razloga. Probaj kupiti klimu na aliju pa pitaj nekog našeg da ti ugradi
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Zato ni ne nabavljam dijelove. Ovako bar nisam u minusu.
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Najgori je posao koji se radi polu iz usluge. Pojeo sam govno 10 puta. Užas.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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