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Staro 02.03.2017., 18:45   #1
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AMD "Ryzen" Info thread

Evo Ryzen teme da ne drobimo više u onu o nadolazećim socketima

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Staro 02.03.2017., 18:57   #2
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videocardz link sa recenzijama R7ica na okupu.

Šaroliki rezultati što se gejmanja tiče. Do izlaska R5ica će valjda ispeglati biose i ostale mušice.
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E to.Ja isto moram uzet sad nesto a to je vjerojatno ryzen 1700 jer ak bum cekao r5 odu pare

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Testovi s brdom igara, Švabe su to odradili kako samo oni znaju.

Izgleda da Ryzen i na FullHD rezoluciji ide korak uz korak sa 7700K !
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Sta svi kukaju da moraju odmah nesto kupit ili odose pare ?

Kupiti sada 10m drva i sloziti u dvorisce, pare osigurane dok R5 ne dodje.

Ako netko i pita: posto drva ? Mjenjam za Ryzen

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Mozda da je staviti onu tablicu sa svim modelima Ryzena u prvi post ?

Najvise sam gledao handbrake test, sad bice zanimljivo vidjeti kako R5 tu radi sa 6/12 i 4/8 vs 7700K, ovi najjaci Ryzeni
ga doslovce pojedu no normalno jer to ni nije prava relavantna usporedba cpu-a iste kategorije.
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Testovi s brdom igara, Švabe su to odradili kako samo oni znaju.

Izgleda da Ryzen i na FullHD rezoluciji ide korak uz korak sa 7700K !

Ma nee. Krivo si si preveo ovaj test. 1800x je odlican procesor ali je sporiji od 6900k u aplikacijama u prosjeku 9%.

U igrama je sporiji u prosjeku oko 13%. Kod novijih naslova je razlika manja jer igre
bolje znaju korisititi vise jezgri koje AMD ima.

Ono sto AMD cini konkurentnim je stvarno odlican 8/16 procesor uz odlicnu cijenu. (zasada doslovno 50% jeftiniji od Intela)

A ono sto me zanimalo prije mjesec dana i danas nema pravog odgovora. Da li je moguc
manualni OC?! Po svemu sto sam do sada vidio ne moze se manualno OCat. Odnosno moze ali do 4.1 jel?!

Procesor je prevruc, trazi puno struje i nestabilan je. Steta.. Iako bi se to moglo mozda malo ispolirati sa novim biosima.

Ili ajmo ovako reci, kom jos treba OC sa takvom zvijeri?!

Uglavnom AMD se vratio u igru.
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Ili ajmo ovako reci, kom jos treba OC sa takvom zvijeri?!
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Evo pregledao nekoliko recenzija 1800X, u kojoj su tu i tamo uletili 1700x i 1700 u tablicu, ali uglavnom samo prvi. Pcper od A do Ž, zatim Anandtech samo bencheve, imaju uber mega opširnu recenziju koja je još work in progress (kasnije će IPC, te i gaming testirati), zatim guru3d i tomshardware bencheve. Ej kakvih sve benchmarka ima, glava me boli

Prvo čudnovatosti tj. lošija strana priče. Gaming benchmarci su čudni. Recimo u puno sintetičkih benchmarka ryzen ima bolji singlecore score od broadwell-e, no onda u nekim igrama (doduše ne svim) zaostaje primjetno za broadwell-e. A još čudnije je što u takvim situacijama često broadwell-e bude brži i od kaby lake... WTF. Znači nešto tu ne štima. Dali tu treba neki OS update, microcode update, BIOS update, ili update u samom softveru... Evo što kažu o tome:

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I’m not sure what to say about these results – I didn’t expect them. But I am hearing other reviewers are seeing very similar results with the same games and other titles as well. It’s possible we are looking at a bug of some kind in the firmware (I’ve heard disabling SMT will improve performance) of it could be a chipset level issue with add-in card performance. We are waiting to hear back from AMD on this but for the last few days I have been away from our test bed.
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While the results on this page look a lot better, the reality is that the Ryzen 7 1800X should do a notch better. We feel we need to give the Ryzen platform a little more time to develop and tweak on the motherboard manufacturers side as well as giving AMD the time to fine-tune their application software.
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As mentioned, we encountered lower-than-expected results in many of our game benchmarks. Concerned that the explanation could be related to Windows' handling of P-states, we ran tests on Ryzen under the High Performance and Balanced power profiles as a diagnostic measure. The former is denoted with an HP in our charts. Intel's chips are tested using Windows' Balanced profile, representing the way most of us configure our desktops.

The Zen architecture is AMD's first with simultaneous multi-threading, so we also tested the Ryzen 7 1800X with SMT disabled to flesh out any performance deltas attributable to this feature. Indeed, we observed higher performance with SMT turned off in some titles.
Oni su to nekako najviše istraživali. Znači ima tu nešto, recimo kod stock clocka razlika između najgoreg scorea (bilo razna win power stanja) pa do najboljeg stanja (uglavnom bez smt) je:

- preko 16% u ashesu na 1080p
- battlefield 4 je u pravilu isto, samo win balanced ima zaostatak od 6% naspram ostalih stanja,
- hitman 1080p isto 6%
- project cars 1080p - 11.6%
- metro last light sve ok, 1% razlike

E sad nekad mi se čini da ni taj najbolji score nije gdje bi trebao biti, ako se ravnam prema broadwell-e (tj. da barem bude u njihovom rangu ako nije brži). Znači najbolji ryzen score zostaje za i7 6900K stock u ashesu - nešto ispod 9%, nešto ispod 4% u hitmanu, project cars ispod 15%, u metrou sve OK (ispod 2%)

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Oxide games is incredibly excited with what we are seeing from the Ryzen CPU. Using our Nitrous game engine, we are working to scale our existing and future game title performance to take full advantage of Ryzen and its eight-core, 16-thread architecture, and the results thus far are impressive. These optimizations are not yet available for Ryzen benchmarking. However, expect updates soon to enhance the performance of games like Ashes of the Singularity on Ryzen CPUs, as well as our future game releases.” - Brad Wardell, CEO Stardock and Oxide
Uglavnom, gledajući ostale benchmarke, pogotovo one singlecore, ryzen bi trebao imati fps barem kao broadwell-e, ako ne i bolje (ako model ima viši clock), otud vjerojatno i čuđenje autora. Iz zaključka:

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We come away from today's coverage with a number of questions that couldn't be answered in time for the launch. For instance, we discovered Ryzen's tendency to perform better in games with SMT disabled. Could this be a scheduling issue that might be fixed later? AMD did respond to our concerns, reminding us that Ryzen's implementation is unique, meaning most game engines don't use if efficiently yet. Importantly, the company told us that it doesn’t believe the SMT hiccup occurs at the operating system level, so a software fix could fix performance issues in many titles. At least one game developer (Oxide) stepped forward to back those claims. However, you run the risk that other devs don't spend time updating existing titles.

The evening before launch, AMD sent us a list of games that it says should perform well with Ryzen, including Sniper Elite 4, Battlefield 1, Star Wars: Battlefront, and Overwatch, among others. Many of the titles tend to be heavily threaded, which would lend itself well to Ryzen's high core count. We plan on revisiting some of those. Further, AMD suggests adjusting several different parameters for games that suffer from low performance. It recommends using Windows' High Performance power profile (which also helps Intel CPUs). It also says to disable the HPET (High Precision Event Timer), either in your BIOS or operating system, to gain a 5-8% advantage. Our results already reflect HPET disabled, though. Interestingly, AMD's Ryzen Master software requires HPET to “provide accurate measurements,” so you may find yourself toggling back and forth for the best experience.
U svakom slučaju gaming performanse će sigurno biti "revisited" od mnogih nešto kasnije. To bi bilo ono najspornije, najgore. A sad ostalo

IPC - baš onakav kakav smo govorili da će biti (treba još izaći IPC testova sa starijim intelovim generacijama od broadwella). Zatim upalite svijeću, AMD je umanjio svoje performanse u nekim slajdovima, rekli su 1800X vs 6900K "about the same" u cinebench singlecore, mislio sam da bi mogao biti manji, no singlecore je bolji (naravno zbog većeg out of the box clocka)

Zatim multithread te potrošnja (naročito idle)
SMT u sintetici, renderingu ubija, te je evidentno bolji od hyperthreadinga

PCper na clock per clock (3.5ghz):

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The multi-threaded results are interesting. First, let’s focus on Cinebench R15. While the 7700K easily gets bested by the Ryzen 7 1800X due to a core count doubling, the 6900K result is more intriguing. Remember that the 6900K had an 8% advantage in the single threaded result; this score shows the Ryzen CPU with the 1.5% advantage. Clearly something has made up for the IPC delta between the cores and we are assuming we are seeing improved implementation of SMT and better inter-core communications with cache. (Also interestingly, the 4C 7700K performs at exactly 50% the level of the 8C 1800X, indicating that the same changes and effects are applying.). The same holds true in Handbrake where the Ryzen processor is faster than the 6900K, even if by a small amount.
Onaj dečko što je rekao da mu treba za POV-ray može AMD-u platiti misu




Efikasnost je odlična. Naravno ne za one koji su mislili reklamirani TDP = potrošnja
Uspjeli su ostati par watta iza broadwell-e i sa porastom clocka (naravno ništa bitno, simbolično), ali nisu lagali na prezentaciji, a najjači forte im je idle potrošnja (skoro duplo manje od broadwell-e, čak i manje od skylake/kaby). Ja sam očekivao da će to prebacivati broadwell-e uz povećanje clockova i u nezavisnom testiranju



Inače ako netko traži objašnjenje, smisao u takvom označavanju tdp-a:

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One area of interest is the TDP ratings. AMD and Intel have very different views on how this is calculated. Intel has made this the maximum power draw of the processor while AMD sees it as a target for thermal dissipation over time. This means that under stock settings the Core i7-7700K will not draw more than 91 watts and the Core i7-6900K will not draw more than 140 watts. And in our testing, they are well under those ratings most of the time, whenever AVX code is not being operated. AMD’s 95-watt rating on the Ryzen 1800X though will very often be exceed, and our power testing proves that out. The logic is that a cooler with a 95-watt rating and the behavior of thermal propagation give the cooling system time to catch up. (Interestingly, this is the philosophy Intel has taken with its Kaby Lake mobile processors.)
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The measured idle power consumption of our ASUS Crosshair VI Hero motherboard and the Ryzen R7 1800X is amazingly low, beating out even the Intel Kaby Lake parts by about 10 watts. While that wouldn’t normally be a big deal, considering the SYSmark 2014 SE power consumption results, Ryzen might find a home in many-user businesses because of it. Under a full load, in this case Cinebench R15, the 1800X requires 33 watts more power to get the job done when compared to the 7700K system. In fact, despite the 95 watt TDP, the Ryzen CPU uses about the same power as the 140 watt Broadwell-E processors. We have already discussed the logic behind this difference, but now you can see it in practice. This also proves that having cooling above and beyond the “base” level for AMD Ryzen TDP levels is going to be a positive.

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This means that at ~3.8GHz pushing further usually becomes extremely costly (power / thermal wise).
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Ajoooooj.. Baš sam pročitao članak. Užas. Užas. Znači nikakav OC. Pa jel to moguće? 4.1 samo na jednom Coreu? Strava.

Ostaje nada da će se ovi manji 4/8 moći OCat.
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Ajoooooj.. Baš sam pročitao članak. Užas. Užas. Znači nikakav OC. Pa jel to moguće? 4.1 samo na jednom Coreu? Strava.

Ostaje nada da će se ovi manji 4/8 moći OCat.
Daleko je to od užasa,ali ostaju neki upitnici.

Kako uopće neko može reći da je ovo užas.
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Ajd ispravite me ako lose zakljucujem...

http://www.pcekspert.com/clanak/amd-...ecenzija/?pg=3

Handbrake test:

R7 1800X 8/16 @4.0GHz - 25.1 Fps
R5 1400X 4/8 @3.9GHz - 12 Fps-a ??

R5 1600X 6/12 @3.7GHz - 16/17 Fps-a ???

Znaci ako nisam debelo omasio ovu predpostavku/procjenu onda bi R5 1600X bio adekvatna zamjena za
i7 7700K cisto sto se tice encodinga s time da je to stock oba... Intel tu dobiva dodatno sa OC mogucnoscu
ali to je prihvatljivo ako za R5 1600X budem morao dati 1000kn manje neg za i7 7700K.
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meni treba komp za gejmanje i ak su ryzen 1700 i 7700k slicne cijene ryzen je ipak vise futureproof.

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Ajoooooj.. Baš sam pročitao članak. Užas. Užas. Znači nikakav OC. Pa jel to moguće? 4.1 samo na jednom Coreu? Strava.

Ostaje nada da će se ovi manji 4/8 moći OCat.
I dalje ostaje opcija platiti za Intela ohoho novaca, nitko te ne drži!

Činjenica jest da je framerate pri tim frekvencijama (4.1) i dalje jako prihvatljiv.
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First and foremost is the fact that voltages implementation is a bit different this time around with both the CPU and its associated SoC requiring voltage boosts to attain stability. Cooling is also a challenge since at 1.4V (the maximum I'd push through Ryzen) the processor puts out an epic amount of heat. And I mean a lot heat since even a Corsair H110i GTX I have on hand struggled to keep up with the burgeoning heat load.

So what does this all mean for overclocking? I'm not quite sure yet since I'm still dialing things in. Right now it looks like overclocking will settle somewhere between 3.85GHz and 4GHz.

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Efikasnost je odlična. Naravno ne za one koji su mislili reklamirani TDP = potrošnja
Uspjeli su ostati par watta iza broadwell-e i sa porastom clocka (naravno ništa bitno, simbolično), ali nisu lagali na prezentaciji, a najjači forte im je idle potrošnja (skoro duplo manje od broadwell-e, čak i manje od skylake/kaby). Ja sam očekivao da će to prebacivati broadwell-e uz povećanje clockova i u nezavisnom testiranju

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Ajd ispravite me ako lose zakljucujem...

http://www.pcekspert.com/clanak/amd-...ecenzija/?pg=3

Handbrake test:

R7 1800X 8/16 @4.0GHz - 25.1 Fps
R5 1400X 4/8 @3.9GHz - 12 Fps-a ??

R5 1600X 6/12 @3.7GHz - 16/17 Fps-a ???
Ne bi baš rekao da je ono na 1800X dobiveno pri 4,0 GHz. Tj sumnjam da je Krešo lockao takt na 4,0 GHz za cijeli test. 1800X kad su sve jezgre opterećene radi na oko 3,6-3,7 GHz barem prema ovome.
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Ova slika u prvom postu je "leak" od prije i donekle nije točna.



Prema ovome izgleda da je 1500X 4core ipak.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5RP1CPpFVE

1700 vs 7700K. Igre kreću od 3:03.

Želim vjerovati ovim testovima, ali kako je moguće da je Ryzen na 3.9 GHz gotovo izjednačen sa Intelovim đubrem naklokanim na 5 GH ?

Zar je 1700 zaista bolji za gaming od 1800X ?

Manuel, mišljenje ?
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Ova slika u prvom postu je "leak" od prije i donekle nije točna.
Prema ovome izgleda da je 1500X 4core ipak.
Da, treba nam nova tablica. Jel ima negdje sada objavljena kak spada tablica sa svim modelima itd.. ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5RP1CPpFVE

1700 vs 7700K. Igre kreću od 3:03.

Želim vjerovati ovim testovima, ali kako je moguće da je Ryzen na 3.9 GHz gotovo izjednačen sa Intelovim đubrem naklokanim na 5 GH ?

Zar je 1700 zaista bolji za gaming od 1800X ?

Manuel, mišljenje ?
Tek moram pogledati testove, ali vjerojatno se radi o tome da ne skaliraju sve igre baš sa clockom i ipc. Moderni cpu na 2.5-3ghz sa dovoljno threadova za xy igru i beba si u 90% naslova. Pogledaj npr. igru sa modernim engineom, vishera vs skylake jezgra (a IPC razlika ogromna), gpu 980Ti.

http://www.techspot.com/articles-inf...nch/CPU_02.png
http://www.techspot.com/articles-inf...nch/CPU_03.png
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5RP1CPpFVE

1700 vs 7700K. Igre kreću od 3:03.

Želim vjerovati ovim testovima, ali kako je moguće da je Ryzen na 3.9 GHz gotovo izjednačen sa Intelovim đubrem naklokanim na 5 GH ?

Zar je 1700 zaista bolji za gaming od 1800X ?

Manuel, mišljenje ?
Ja sam negdje pročitao na redditu da u igrama SMT ne radi dobro i da je taj test s isključenim SMTom. Sad, ako lažu oni lažem i ja.

EDIT: Nvm, ima lik video gdje bencha sa uključenim SMTom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXVIPo_qbc4&t=0s
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Kako uopće neko može reći da je ovo užas.
Procesor je ustvari odličan. Brz je. AMD je ponovno tu..
Hrpa jezgri, odlična cijena. Best Buy,

Ali ono što me stvarno smeta je 8x 3.6 Ghz + 400 mhz turbo + 100 XFR = 4.1 Ghz na samo jednu jezgru. What?? No OC??

A u stvarnosti čim se optereti više od jedne jezgre proc se sam smanji na stock 3.6 Ghz i to je njegova stvarna brzina koja se ne može dizati. Maksimum mu je ustvari 3.6 Ghz a ostalo je šminka.

Sva ona automatika i boostovi su smeće. A CPU je UNLOCKED.

I dalje se nadam da biosi nisu na razini. Pa to nije moguće.
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Pa odnos je isti između ryzena i brodwell-e (par watta manje) u obje recenzije, samo stressaju u drugom softveru
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Iako se Ryzen nakon objave recenzija pokazao kao odličan procesor koji je u prosjeku performansama vrlo konkurentan intelu uz odličnu cijenu, dionica je dan završila sa priličnim padom - 7%.

Razlog je vjerojatno taj što nije ispunio očekivanja tamo gdje je to bilo najpotrebnije - gaming.
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Ja onda gledam skroz krive tablice po netu
Nek se usklade benchmarkovi prvo. Na jednom gubi 20%, tu je isti...
Ah, kapitalizam.
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jel ovo neka greska u tdp? 1600x ima 95 a 1700 65? Ako jest, rekao bih da treba ic na 1700 ili na 1100 ovisno o budgetu...ako nije greska, onda 1600x umisto 1700
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