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Staro 28.06.2005., 10:49   #1
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AMD podigao tužbu protiv Intela...

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SUNNYVALE, CA - June 28, 2005 - AMD (NYSE: AMD) announced today that it filed an antitrust complaint against Intel Corporation ("Intel") yesterday in U.S. federal district court for the district of Delaware under Section 2 of the Sherman Antitrust Act, Sections 4 and 16 of the Clayton Act, and the California Business and Professions Code. The 48-page complaint explains in detail how Intel has unlawfully maintained its monopoly in the x86 microprocessor market by engaging in worldwide coercion of customers from dealing with AMD. It identifies 38 companies that have been victims of coercion by Intel - including large scale computer-makers, small system-builders, wholesale distributors, and retailers, through seven types of illegality across three continents.

"Everywhere in the world, customers deserve freedom of choice and the benefits of innovation - and these are being stolen away in the microprocessor market," said Hector Ruiz, AMD chairman of the board, president and chief executive officer. "Whether through higher prices from monopoly profits, fewer choices in the marketplace or barriers to innovation - people from Osaka to Frankfurt to Chicago pay the price in cash every day for Intel's monopoly abuses."

x86 microprocessors run the Microsoft Windows(r), Solaris and Linux families of operating systems. Even Apple(r), a pioneer of the PC and one of the industry's enduring innovators, announced that it would switch exclusively to x86 processors to run Mac OS(r) software beginning in 2006. Intel's share of this critical market currently counts for about 80 percent of worldwide sales by unit volume and 90 percent by revenue, giving it entrenched monopoly ownership and super-dominant market power.

This litigation follows a recent ruling from the Fair Trade Commission of Japan (JFTC), which found that Intel abused its monopoly power to exclude fair and open competition, violating Section 3 of Japan's Antimonopoly Act. These findings reveal that Intel deliberately engaged in illegal business practices to stop AMD's increasing market share by imposing limitations on Japanese PC manufacturers. Intel did not contest these charges.

The European Commission has stated that it is pursuing an investigation against Intel for similar possible antitrust violations and is cooperating with the Japanese authorities.

"You don't have to take our word for it when it comes to Intel's abuses; the Japanese government condemned Intel for its exclusionary and illegal misconduct," said Thomas M. McCoy, AMD executive vice president, legal affairs and chief administrative officer. "We encourage regulators around the world to take a close look at the market failure and consumer harm Intel's business practices are causing in their nations. Intel maintains illegal monopoly profits at the expense of consumers and computer manufacturers, whose margins are razor thin. Now is the time for consumers and the industry worldwide to break free from the abusive Intel monopoly."

The 48-page complaint, drafted after an intensive investigation by AMD's lead outside counsel, Charles P. Diamond of O'Melveny & Myers LLP, details numerous examples of what Diamond describes as "a pervasive, global scheme to coerce Intel customers from freely dealing with AMD to the detriment of customers and consumers worldwide." According to the complaint, Intel has unlawfully maintained its monopoly by, among other things:

*Forcing major customers such as Dell, Sony, Toshiba, Gateway, and Hitachi into Intel-exclusive deals in return for outright cash payments, discriminatory pricing or marketing subsidies conditioned on the exclusion of AMD;

*According to industry reports, and as confirmed by the JFTC in Japan, Intel has paid Dell and Toshiba huge sums not to do business with AMD.

*Intel paid Sony millions for exclusivity. AMD's share of Sony's business went from 23 percent in '02 to 8% in '03, to 0%, where it remains today.

*Forcing other major customers such as NEC, Acer, and Fujitsu into partial exclusivity agreements by conditioning rebates, allowances and market development funds (MDF) on customers' agreement to severely limit or forego entirely purchases from AMD;

*Intel paid NEC several million dollars for caps on NEC's purchases from AMD. Those caps assured Intel at least 90% of NEC's business in Japan and imposed a worldwide cap on the amount of AMD business NEC could do.

*Establishing a system of discriminatory and retroactive incentives triggered by purchases at such high levels as to have the intended effect of denying customers the freedom to purchase any significant volume of processors from AMD;

*When AMD succeeded in getting on the HP retail roadmap for mobile computers, and its products sold well, Intel responded by withholding HP's fourth quarter 2004 rebate check and refusing to waive HP's failure to achieve its targeted rebate goal; it allowed HP to make up the shortfall in succeeding quarters by promising Intel at least 90% of HP's mainstream retail business.

*Threatening retaliation against customers for introducing AMD computer platforms, particularly in strategic market segments such as commercial
desktop;

*Then-Compaq CEO Michael Capellas said in 2000 that because of the volume of business given to AMD, Intel withheld delivery of critical server chips. Saying "he had a gun to his head," he told AMD he had to stop buying.

*According to Gateway executives, their company has paid a high price for even its limited AMD dealings. They claim that Intel has "beaten them into 'guacamole'" in retaliation.

*Establishing and enforcing quotas among key retailers such as Best Buy and Circuit City, effectively requiring them to stock overwhelmingly or exclusively, Intel computers, artificially limiting consumer choice;

*AMD has been entirely shut out from Media Markt, Europe's largest computer retailer, which accounts for 35 percent of Germany's retail sales.

*Office Depot declined to stock AMD-powered notebooks regardless of the amount of financial support AMD offered, citing the risk of retaliation.

*Forcing PC makers and tech partners to boycott AMD product launches or promotions;

*Then-Intel CEO Craig Barrett threatened Acer's Chairman with "severe consequences" for supporting the AMD Athlon 64(tm) launch. This coincided with an unexplained delay by Intel in providing $15-20M in market development funds owed to Acer. Acer withdrew from the launch in September 2003.

*Abusing its market power by forcing on the industry technical standards and products that have as their main purpose the handicapping of AMD in the marketplace.

*Intel denied AMD access to the highest level of membership for the Advanced DRAM technology consortium to limit AMD's participation in critical industry standard decisions that would affect its business.

*Intel designed its compilers, which translate software programs into machine-readable language, to degrade a program's performance if operated on a computer powered by an AMD microprocessor.

To view the full text of the complaint, please visit
http://www.amd.com/breakfree
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An Open Letter from Hector Ruiz, AMD Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer

The microprocessor is the brain of every computer, a transformational technology in today’s world. And as in all markets, innovation in the microprocessor sector depends on competition – the ability of consumers and businesses worldwide to choose solutions based on one microprocessor over another.

Our competitor has harmed and limited competition in the microprocessor industry. On behalf of ourselves, our customers and partners, and consumers worldwide, we have been forced to take action.

We have filed a 48-page, detailed Complaint in federal district court. Because, as our Complaint explains exhaustively, Intel's actions include:

* Forcing major customers to accept exclusive deals,
* Withholding rebates and marketing subsidies as a means of punishing customers who buy more than prescribed quantities of processors from AMD,
* Threatening retaliation against customers doing business with AMD,
* Establishing quotas keeping retailers from selling the computers they want, and
* Forcing PC makers to boycott AMD product launches.

For most competitive situations, this is just business. But from a monopolist, this is illegal.

These serious allegations deserve serious attention. Earned success is one thing. Illegal maintenance of a monopoly is quite another.

Intel's behavior is much more than meets the eye. You may not have been aware, but Intel's illegal actions hurt consumers - everyday. Computer buyers pay higher prices inflated by Intel's monopoly profits. Less innovation is produced because less competition exists. Purchasers lose their fundamental right to choose the best technology available.

We believe the legal process will work. In the meantime, the men and women of AMD will continue to drive innovation, focusing on our customers and on the people who use computers at home and work every day.

At AMD, we know innovation. We thrive on competition. And we depend on a market based upon freedom of choice.

Read our Complaint. Demand innovation. Choose fair and open competition.

Hector Ruiz
Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer
Advanced Micro Devices

To share your thoughts about innovation and fair and open competition with us, please e-mail breakfree@amd.com.
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Staro 28.06.2005., 11:13   #2
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Kad protivnik leži još ga iscipelari.

Intel slabiji nego ikada i idelana prilika da intelu "vrate" za doba P3/K6 i P4 T Bird.
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Staro 28.06.2005., 11:34   #3
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da te "tvoj otac" cuje sta govoris poslao bi te u pakao... Intel slabiji nego ikada? o, daaa
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Pa realno gledajuci i je slabiji nego ikada ..... Kada je amd ikada imao ovakvu nadmoc nad intelom..... Mislim na proceve koji kolju intelove...

Tako da se slazem sa isusom a ionako nece biti nis od te tuzbe jer oni trebaju samo da novinari dugnu prasinu...
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da te "tvoj otac" cuje sta govoris poslao bi te u pakao... Intel slabiji nego ikada? o, daaa
Pa je, AMD je na trežištu desktopa trenutno puno jači.
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I mislim da ce ostat jos dugo vremena , jer vec 2007 AMD planiraja izdat četvero i šestero jezgrene procesore , a sada Intelovce papa monojezgreni FX 57 i najjaci multicore 4800+

intel se malko izgubio u prosoru i vremenu , pa sta nije
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Pa je, AMD je na trežištu desktopa trenutno puno jači.
nebi se reklo po prodajnim rezultatima
ali na stranu stavimo zaradu, AMD trenutno ima bolji proc, zaista mislis da ce to Intela ugroziti? a one izjave "Intel na koljenima" su stvarno smijesne...
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nebi se reklo po prodajnim rezultatima
ali na stranu stavimo zaradu, AMD trenutno ima bolji proc, zaista mislis da ce to Intela ugroziti? a one izjave "Intel na koljenima" su stvarno smijesne...
A sto reci na Intelove prodajne rezultate, osim posljednje usporedbe AMD vs. Intel tu na PC Ekspertu. Pardon, usporedbe AMD 4800+ i "onog procesora" (a.k.a. Pentium 840 EE). Ako nedaju na test proizvode e-zineu koji, ruku na srce, i nema preveliku posjecenost, tesko je i zamisliti kakve dealove moraju imati razni distributeri. Ili mozda nije? Naravno da imaju bolje prodajne rezultate! Nadam se samo da ce AMD barem nesto postici sa ovim, iako je puno vjerojatnije da ce sve zavrsiti kao i slicna situacija sa Microsoftom..

P.S. Ta vijest, ali iz malo drukcije perspektive
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews...28_153223.html
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cuj po meni uvijek ostaje ono staro pravilo:amd za igranje,intel za kodiranje i obrade videa i tih shemi,samo da te pitam koja firma ima uopce amd ?ja to stvarno neznam,evo posto znam da prtrokemija doo kutina ima sva racunala bazirana na intel procevima,a vjeruj takvih firmi ima milijarde i milijarde koji imaju preko par tisuca kompova sa intelima,ne nisam intelovac ali da li je amd bolji zato kaj se bolje clocka?nije sigurno,to isto ko da velis da je yugic bolji od stojadina jer ide 3 na sat brze niz breghehe!

meni je bitna cijena i mala temp,a sad preverzije tipa fx57,840ee i te sheme,kome to u zivotu treba,mislim na nas prosjecne zajebante kojima je samo do overclockanja?ako se ima para onda ko ga hebe ali realno gledajuci ja neznam sto ovaj fx 57 moze a winnie 3500+ nemoze ili p4 ?evo to me zanima!
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Originally posted by MasterX
nebi se reklo po prodajnim rezultatima
ali na stranu stavimo zaradu, AMD trenutno ima bolji proc, zaista mislis da ce to Intela ugroziti? a one izjave "Intel na koljenima" su stvarno smijesne...
pa na to sam mislio kada sam rekao da je AMD trenutno jači.

što se tiče Tom's Hardwarea. Poznato je da THG preferira Intel.
Nigdje ni riječi o tome koliko su intelovi procesori trenurno lošiji od AMDovih već isključivo da je AMD nesposoban i d akoristi prljave trikve da bi prešao 20% tržišnog udjela.

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tj. Intel ima 80 posto tržišnog udjela.
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ali realno gledajuci ja neznam sto ovaj fx 57 moze a winnie 3500+ nemoze ili p4 ?evo to me zanima!
Moze sve sto moze i 3500+ i P4, a 3500+ i P4 mogu sve sto i FX57 ... samo sto to FX57 radi dosta brze .

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Originally posted by komer samo da te pitam koja firma ima uopce amd
Zato AMD tuzi INTEL ...

Nemaju one INTEL zato jer je bolji, nego zato jer u brand kompovima dolazi Intel ... zbog razno raznih razloga...
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MadBoY
[B]Moze sve sto moze i 3500+ i P4, a 3500+ i P4 mogu sve sto i FX57 ... samo sto to FX57 radi dosta brze .

Radi brže, ali koliko je profesionalaca tu kojima je to stvarno od neke koristi? Sve je to više - manje isto.
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Profesionalac ce kupiti X2 4800+ ... a tu ce se vidjeti razlika ... ako nista barem u zagrijavanju ...
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Ma ova tuzba je zivi bullshit. Tu su isto krive kompanije koje su tu kao zrtve.

Stva ide ovako. Intel prijeti, ovi poslusao, ako poslusaju dobiju pristojan (ali ne najbolji) deal kaj se tice isporuke, kolicine i cijene. Ako ne poslusaju, moraju se okrenut AMD-u s kojim nemaju nikakav deal, pa ih ovi mogu jos vise zajebat i dignut cijenu sto bi ovi morali prihvatit, jer ak nebus intel i nebus AMD, koji ces qrac stavit.

Svijet je surov, a monopolizam se ostvaruje inteligencijom i nicim drugim. Ako bi kritika mogla pasti, nedas proc. kaj je tu tak cudno. A i intel uvijek izvuce pristojan dio kolaca i u zadnje vriijeme, da ne kazem kako su im ovi mobile procovi zakon!
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A mogo je AMD pokrenut neki novi band sa AMD only procevima... ... jest da bi ih kostalo...al bi i zaradili...
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A mogo je AMD pokrenut neki novi band sa AMD only procevima... ... jest da bi ih kostalo...al bi i zaradili...
AMD jedva ostvari neku malu zaradu od nekoliko desetaka milijuna godišnje (s tim da su do prije nekoliko godina poslovali negativno) u odnosu na Intela koji samo na dividende godišnje isplaćuje oko milijardu $. Teško da bi Intel mogao ozbiljno biti ugrožen od strane AMD-a ili bilo koga drugoga.
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