Vijesti i novosti o Intel procesorima i čipsetima

[Bubba]

Autor sakomako

Pokazuje da kompajleri su i dalje puni bagova i da ljudi i dalje neke stvari mogu daleko bolje optimizirati.

Gdje si ti tocno vidio bug?

Nakon pola stoljeća upotrebe ovakovih alata očekivao bi da s obzirom na napredak snage CPU da se napravio softver koji bi sam sebe mogao optimizirati

Da, zovemo ga, pazi sad, spelovacu ti:

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Isto to očekujem u vezi s pisanjem drajvera za hardwerske uređaje.

Jesi pisao kada driver?

A u tom pogledu se nismo maknuli od onoga kako se to nekad radilo.

Velis, 1980. all over again.

Tako da se nikada ne dobije konačni ispeglani proizvod jer i ovo što na kraju bude kao zadnja verzija još uvijek u nekim slučajevima se događa da se sistem sruši.

Ne sjecam se da se od sredine 90ih "sistem srusio" zbog drivera. Ako i je, najcesce je u pitanju neispravan hardver.

Kao primjer poluproizvoda mogu samo navesti proizvođača opreme za liječenje od kancera zračenjem, kada su mehanički graničnik za količinu zračenja na uređaju za zračenje zamijenili softwerskom varijantom i kada je ta generacija uređaja došla na tržište krajem 90' počele su umirati stotine žena ne od raka nego od prevelikog zračenja da bi na kraju shvatili da imaju grešku u softweru koji upravlja uređajem za zračenje i da je krivo upisan jedan parametar koji je bio 1000 puta veći od onoga što se pokazivalo na ekranu uređaja.

Shit happens. Imas to negdje dokumentirano ili to onako, iz glave?

Meni je žao što vi ne razumijete i ne vidite problem, jer ste svaki puta kada nabavite novu varijacju CPU, GPU i čipseta i još kada se to nadogradi i sa novom varijacijom OS spremni prolaziti istu torturu i bespotrebno gubiti hrpu vremena da bi to proradilo koliko toliko stabilno i pouzdano.

Mozda je vrijeme da prestanes kupovati hardver od sanera nego da to napravis u trgovini, a?

Možda se ne razumijemo, ali nadam se da ste shvatili zašto nisam hype svaki puta kada ljudi u crnim kožnim jaknama prezentiraju nove proizvode i očekuju pljesak a najviše vaše novce za nešto što je na papiru savršeno, a kada se to istestira u praksi i nije neko veliko čudo i napredak.

I onda ti isti "ljudi u crnom" dolaze do tebe doma i siluju te dok ne kupis njihov novi hardver?

[segregator]

Autor Bubba

Shit happens. Imas to negdje dokumentirano ili to onako, iz glave?

Vjerojatno misli na Therac 25

https://interestingengineering.com/w...g-turns-deadly

[Eladio]

Autor The Exiled

Točno to, mogu oni izdati kaj god žele, kad nema interesa, jer je cjelokupna situacija u kurcu. Primjera radi, prošle godine u ovo vrijeme većina ljudi s posla koja donekle prati tehniku je pohrlila po novi Zen 3 i imaju te modele dan-danas. Nitko nije ni trznul na Alder Lake, jer je ovo kaj imaju dovoljno dobro ili razlike nisu pretjerano velike. Evo tu na forumu, tek dvoje ili troje ljudi da su se javili s kupnjom Alder Lake modela. GPU dio priče bolje da i ne spominjemo, to je tek tuga do te mjere da čak i ako Intel ARC ispada donekle konkurentan, pa makar i s dvije godine zakašanjenja, cijene budu koma, ako se uopće netko uspije domoći tih modela, prije nego nestanu u bespućima kriptomanije.

kad mi se "ne isplati", ja sam razmatrao dobrih minutu i odustao
nit mogu prodat plocu koliko vrijedi, niti dobijem neki kljucni benefit s procom s obzirom da imam i dalje odlican 5900x, tako da cekam zen4

PS
..gdje je nestala opcija za blokiranje korisnika? tako je bilo super prije dok sam mogao koristiti tu "hidden" funkciju

[The Exiled]

[Bubba]

Autor segregator

Vjerojatno misli na Therac 25

Softverski Baxter. Zgodno.

[The Exiled]

Intel negotiates 3nm allocation with TSMC even as Pat Gelsinger cautions against investing in Taiwan

Intel is reportedly in talks with TSMC to secure foundry allocation to meet its product roadmap execution. The company is sending an executive delegation to meet with TSMC later this month, to secure foundry capacity for the N3 (3 nm) silicon fabrication node, and ensure that Intel's allocation isn't affected by other customers such as Apple. As part of its IDM 2.0 strategy, Intel has decided to build its products essentially as multi-chip modules with each block of IP built on a silicon fabrication node most optimal to it, so the company maximizes cutting-edge foundry nodes only on the technology that benefits from it the most. N3 will play a vital role with logic/compute tiles in products bound for 2023, as N3 hits critical volume in the first half of the year.

In related news, Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger speaking at the Fortune Brainstorm Tech conference, stressed on the importance for American chip designers to seek out semiconductor manufacturing in America, and cautioned against investing in Taiwan (without naming TSMC). This comes in the wake of geopolitical uncertainty in the region. In response to this statement issued to DigiTimes, TSMC CEO Mark Liu downplayed the matter, and said that Gelsinger's statement wasn't worth responding to, and that he doesn't slander industry colleagues. TSMC and Samsung have each announced multi-billion Dollar foundry investments in the US, in attempts to make the global semiconductor supply chains resilient to any security situation that may emerge in East Asia.

Izvor: TechPowerUp

[Dr. Strange]

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-co...s-remain-flat/

[Starsylph]

Intel ima dosta nepovoljne uvjete na tržištu , skupoća novih matičnih, duplo skuplja DD5 memorija pa je odluka na to labava.
Ono sto je AMD gradio godinama od Ryzena1 do Ryzena5 sa AM4 socketom sada se za vrijeme pandemije ispostavilo kao bolja stavka.


Intelu sada treba stabilan socket. Je li to Alder ili Meteor lake, to je pitanje.

[BusMaster]

Autor Starsylph

Intel ima dosta nepovoljne uvjete na tržištu , skupoća novih matičnih, duplo skuplja DD5 memorija pa je odluka na to labava.
Ono sto je AMD gradio godinama od Ryzena1 do Ryzena5 sa AM4 socketom sada se za vrijeme pandemije ispostavilo kao bolja stavka.
Intelu sada treba stabilan socket. Je li to Alder ili Meteor lake, to je pitanje.

Ovo će im sigurno pomoći.. MSI Izbacio cjelu seriju B660 ploča sa DDR5 memorijom - budget proof.

Link: https://wccftech.com/full-msi-b660-m...level-segment/

[Starsylph]

Autor BusMaster

Ovo će im sigurno pomoći.. MSI Izbacio cjelu seriju B660 ploča sa DDR5 memorijom - budget proof.

Link: https://wccftech.com/full-msi-b660-m...level-segment/

Pohvalno od MSI-ja sto je najniža cijena oko 800kn no DDR5 memorija je i dalje duplo skuplja od DDR4. Mozda sljedeće godine se stanje poboljša.
Obično Gigabyte i Asrock imaju jeftinije modele od MSI pa ćemo vidjeti.

[sakomako]

Meni je nešto ovako novost pa to lijepim ovdje.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vorrcoJWnQ


No vrlo zanimljiva praksa, jer nikada ne znaš što si zapravo kupio. Nikada ne znaš kakva zapravo zvijer leži ispod poklopca odnosno hladnjaka.Jedini problem je kada se ta zvijer oslobodi iz okova da je to već zastarjela zvijer, pregazilo ju vrijeme.

[The Exiled]

TSMC founder: Pat Gelsinger doesn't have enough time to take Intel to the top

Pat Gelsinger has shaken things up throughout his brief time as CEO of Intel, placing a heavy focus on the company’s manufacturing operations and opening up its capacity to other chipmakers. He even proclaimed in October that “Intel is back.” But TSMC’s founder and former CEO thinks Gelsinger won’t turn Chipzilla into a global manufacturing leader for one simple reason: time is against him. Morris Chang, the man who founded TSMC and served as its Chairman and CEO, made the comments at his lecture 'Cherish Taiwan's Advantages in Semiconductor Wafer Manufacturing'.

Chang wasn't being ageist. He noted that Intel, like many US companies, has a rule that its executives must retire at a certain age—65, in team blue’s case. Gelsinger turns 61 in March next year. Just over four years is no short span of time, but Intel's plans for dominance are long-term. However, the two Arizona chip plants that it broke ground on in September are expected to become fully operational in 2024. The plants are part of Intel's renewed IDM 2.0 strategy that involves its newly formed Intel Foundry Services (IFS) division manufacturing chips for others. Intel is talking to over 100 companies for foundry work, and two of the first high-profile customers will be Amazon and Qualcomm.

Gelsinger himself has said that Intel’s IDM 2.0 initiative will help it compete against TSMC, Samsung, GlobalFoundries, UMC, and others by 2025, which would still be within his tenure as boss. And depending on his level of success, the Intel board could decide to retain its current CEO's services after he turns 65. Some of what Chang says could be a response to Gelsinger publicly warning against the dangers of relying on Taiwanese chipmakers given China’s threatening activities in the region. "Taiwan is not a stable place," said Gelsinger, speaking at Fortune Brainstorm Tech. "Beijing sent 27 warplanes to Taiwan's air defense identification zone this week. Does that make you feel more comfortable or less?"

Gelsinger also said the US government should subsidize domestic companies exclusively when spending the $52 billion it has set aside for semiconductor funding. The comment didn’t go down well with current TSMC chairman Mark Liu. "It will be very negative for the United States to subsidize only American companies," Liu said. "Unlike Intel, TSMC is very positive about non-U.S. chipmakers expanding capacity in America. It is a great thing."

Izvor: TechSpot