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[The Exiled]

Intel breaks ground on two advanced chip FABs in Arizona

Intel started construction on two advanced chip plants in Arizona, which will help the company build more manufacturing capacity and a more resilient global supply chain. The move comes amid a race to expand chipmaking capabilities and is motivated by the company's ambition to retake the leadership position in process and packaging technology. Earlier today, Intel broke ground on two chip plants in Arizona that are expected to become fully operational in 2024. The two manufacturing facilities are dubbed Fab 52 and Fab 62 and will be built near four existing fabs at the company's Ocotillo campus in Chandler, Arizona.

Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger met with government officials for a ceremony to celebrate what he says is the largest private investment in Arizona's history. The $20 billion project will expand the company's manufacturing capacity and house state-of-the-art EUV production lines to produce the world's most advanced chips. Gelsinger believes this will help Intel reclaim its "unquestioned leadership in process and packaging technology" by 2025 and create thousands of new jobs. This includes 3,000 high-tech, high-paying jobs, 3,000 construction jobs, and 15,000 additional indirect jobs in the region.

The new chip plants are part of Intel's renewed IDM 2.0 strategy that will see the company's newly formed Intel Foundry Services (IFS) division take on contract manufacturing for other companies for the first time in company history.

When operational, the two new factories in Arizona will produce chips using Intel's 20A process, the first to use its "RibbonFET" version of Gate-All-Around (GAA) transistors and PowerVia interconnects. Gelsinger wouldn't say how much of the new capacity will be reserved for Intel Foundry Services customers, as it's too early to give an accurate estimate. However, he did say the two fabs will have a combined production capacity of "thousands" of wafers per week. And this is just the beginning. Intel already spilled the beans earlier this year on plans to spend anywhere between $60 to $120 billion to build a new mega-fab in the US to be more competitive with TSMC and Samsung. Intel will also allocate $95 billion to build two chip plants in Europe. The company is currently in talks with several officials to secure subsidies from the EU's Recovery and Resilience Fund.

Gelsinger says the company will announce the locations of the new sites in the coming months.

Izvor: TechSpot

[Starsylph]

Zapravo je cool sto Intel uopće može kompetirati TSMCu i Samsungu pa makar bio i malo lošiji. Raznovrsnost tehonologije je dobra za napredak.


Teoretski jel moguće istim principima ići na manje tehnologije od 1nm?

[The Exiled]

Fora je u tome da Intel ne može konkurirati TSMC-u i za taj dio priče je prošla baka s kolačima. Ne bi oni trebali TSMC za svoje nadolazeće CPU i GPU najave, da im mogu konkurirati.

Ovi su u TSMC-u jednostavno predaleko otišli, dok je Intel cijelo jedno desetljeće sjedil na rukama misleći da su glavna faca u kvartu. I sad su tu di jesu zajedno s još jednim direktorom.

Alder Lake (1 - 2) pak se iz dana u dan čini kao još jedan čušpajz u dobro poznatoj režiji marketinga.

[zwer54]

Autor The Exiled

Fora je u tome da Intel ne može konkurirati TSMC-u i za taj dio priče je prošla baka s kolačima. Ne bi oni trebali TSMC za svoje nadolazeće CPU i GPU najave, da im mogu konkurirati.

Ovi su u TSMC-u jednostavno predaleko otišli, dok je Intel cijelo jedno desetljeće sjedil na rukama misleći da su glavna faca u kvartu. I sad su tu di jesu zajedno s još jednim direktorom.

Alder Lake (1 - 2) pak se iz dana u dan čini kao još jedan čušpajz u dobro poznatoj režiji marketinga.

TSMC ima najvise tvornica pa im tesko itko moze konkurirati, no intel prica vjv se bazira na konkurenciji za tek nadolazece procesore, ne za sav segment...

[The Exiled]

OK, kaj se nadolazećih procesora tiče, tamo negdje 2025., pa nadalje bi Intel kod TSMC-a trebal (zajedno s AMD-om i nVidiom) proizvoditi svoje CPU i GPU modele, a onda kad budu svi na istom naprednom proizvodnom procesu - ostaje im jedino arhitektura koja će činiti konkretnu razliku. Odnosno u godinama koje dolaze, Intel će se vrlo vjerojatno naći u situaciji u kojoj su AMD-ATi i nVidia posljednih 20 godina, pa uredno koriste TSMC-ove pogone, dok se međusobno razlikuju u arhitekturama i pripadajućem napretku. TSMC-u pak totalno svjedno, ionako proizvode za druge, a dokle god ovi imaju novaca - sve super i sve 5.

[Starsylph]

Pitanje je kolika je efikasnost malih jezgri u Alder lakeu.

[Disco]

Intel Core i9-12900K Single-Thread Performance Allegedly 27% Faster Than Ryzen 9 5950X

Doduše traljavi CUP-Z, i još veli da je 27% brži od R, a 20% od 11900K...škk?!
Pa šta nije Zen3 brži do Rakete u RL?

[The Exiled]

Je, ali izgleda da je PR mašina u punom pogonu, nekih mjesec dana prije službenog Alder Lake predstavljanja. Sve pršti od rezultata u kojima novi CPU mete sve pred sobom.

Na kraju bi mogel ispasti čušpajz kakav smo gledali s Rocket Lakeom, a prije službenih recenzija bili su najavljivani i očekivani kao najbolji procesori u galaksiji, ako ne i šire.

Zanimljivo da nema nikakvih rezultata iz nekih popularnih igraćih naslova, samo aplikacije koje su od strane Ryana Shrouta bile okarakterizirane kao nedovoljno real-world.

[Dr. Strange]

AMD je barem pokazao rezultate iz par igara sa zen 3d, Intel samo šuti i koriste se sintetički testovi.

[Starsylph]

Autor The Exiled

Zanimljivo da nema nikakvih rezultata iz nekih popularnih igraćih naslova, samo aplikacije koje su od strane Ryana Shrouta bile okarakterizirane kao nedovoljno real-world.

Tek one igre koje će bit napravljene za Win 11 i novi thread director će staviti Alder lake pod pravi test.

Autor Dr. Strange

AMD je barem pokazao rezultate iz par igara sa zen 3d, Intel samo šuti i koriste se sintetički testovi.

Rekao je Intel. Javni nastup je 27, 28og listopada na InnovatiON događaju.

[The Exiled]

Intel Thread Director bude upravljal sa svime pomalo u pozadini, ali prednost budu i dalje imale veće/jače jezgre, ne ide Alder Lake na 5.3GHz bez razloga, a Intel i dalje voli visoke taktove ...

It’s important to understand that for the desktop processor with 8 P-cores and 8 E-cores, if there was a 16-thread workload then it will be scheduled across all 8 P-cores with 8 threads, then all 8 E-cores with the other 8 threads. This affords more performance than enabling the hyperthreads on the P-cores, and so software that compares thread-to-thread loading (such as the latest 3DMark CPU Profile test) may be testing something different compared to processors without E-cores.

It all boils down to having the right functionality to help the operating system make decisions about where to put threads that require low latency vs threads that require high efficiency but are not time critical. So it’s easy enough (now) to tell an operating system that different types of cores exist. Each one can have a respective performance and efficiency rating, and the operating system can migrate threads around as required. However the difference between Windows 10 and Windows 11 is how much information is available to the scheduler about what is running.

Intel classifies the performance levels on Alder Lake in the following order:

• One thread per core on P-cores
• Only thread on E-cores
• SMT threads on P-cores

That means the system will load up one thread per P-core and all the E-cores before moving to the hyperthreads on the P-cores.

On top of this, Intel says that Thread Director can also optimize for frequency.

If a thread is limited in a way other than frequency, it can detect this and reduce frequency, voltage, and power.

Ništ, budemo pričekali službene recenzije da vidimo kak to sve skupa funkcionira.

[Disco]

Another Day, Another Intel Core i9-12900K Benchmark Leak

[Mladenxy]

Prodavat će se na kamione

[Starsylph]

Da 12900 sa 24 threada pobijedi 5950 sa 32 threada to bi bilo potvrda uspješnosti i inovacije Alderove arhitekture.

[The Exiled]

Posebno kad (po)troši duplo više uz monolitan dizajn na 5.3GHz. Napredak samo takav.

[ICT Avatar]

Mislim da bi uz proc trebali izdavat naljepnicu u koji energetski razred spada.

[Disco]

Autor ICT Avatar

Mislim da bi uz proc trebali izdavat naljepnicu u koji energetski razred spada.

To je to.

[The Exiled]

Mogle bi ubrzo i neslužbene recenzije, a i tzv. CPU-as-service uopće nije loša ideja.

Intel is preparing a new feature that can lock features of silicon behind software-based activation. It doesn't seem to be rolling out to the majority of Intel hardware mainstream consumers use right now, however.

Intel Software Defined Silicon (SDSi) should allow for additional features of a piece of silicon to be enabled after it has already been manufactured.

It's entirely software-based, working through the activation of a license that the user might purchase.

[Starsylph]

Jel znas moće će li se 12900 spariti sa Z650 i Z660 pločama? Dakle za one kojima ne treba klokanje i DDR5.

[The Exiled]

Bude i Z690 ploča koje podržavaju samo DDR4, a H670 i B660 modeli stižu tek sljedeće godine. Za mjesec dana budu dostupne high-end Z690 DDR5 ploče uz nekolicinu DDR4 modela, a ostatak ponude stiže kasnije.

Neovisno o modelu ploče i čipsetu, svi bi kak je to i dosad bilo, trebali službeno podržavati sve Alder Lake procesore, pa si onda ljudi iskombiniraju kaj im najbolje paše.

[the_ghost]

Autor The Exiled

CPU-as-service uopće nije loša ideja.

Kopiraju IBM? Nemaju li to oni vec godinama na mainframeovima, samo sto oni stave i viska procesora unutra, pa ak ti treba jos, samo aktiviras

[zwer54]

najbolje da jos moras pretplatu uzet da otkljucas jezgre ili cache, upalis turbo... Istekne pretplata i tvoj 12900k pretvori se u dual core bez turba hahah

[Tajl3r]

bice za koju godinu jos ce cijena i narast a izlike ce biti tipa manjak zraka u proizvodnji itd...

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[Starsylph]

Poskupili su metali i legure u proizvodnji. Npr. znam da je bakar poskupio više of duplo. Cijene ce se neminovno mijenjati.

[Mladenxy]

Da, samo kaj je silicij ultra jeftin jer ga ima hrpa na zemlji, odmah nakon kisika

[The Exiled]

Intel Core i9-12900K, i9-12900F and i5-12400 – Pictures of the new Alder Lake CPUs and details about HGS (Hardware Guided Scheduling)

HGS+ (Hardware Guided Scheduling+) feature prioritizes and manages workload distribution by sending tasks to the best thread for the task, optimizing performance per watt. This feature is enabled by default (for selected SKUs) and no additional user action is required to use this feature. The HGS+ feature is a combination of hardware support in the processor and software optimizations in the latest Windows 11 operating system. This technology should not be confused with Intel’s Thread Director as it is a different feature set for the Intel Alder Lake CPUs. But both Thread Director and HGS+ work together to optimize the performance of hybrid CPUs like Intel’s 12th Gen processor on Windows 11.

Izvor: Igor's Lab

[Starsylph]

Po slici vidim da Alder lake vec ima 3D-cache na sebi

Autor Mladenxy

Da, samo kaj je silicij ultra jeftin jer ga ima hrpa na zemlji, odmah nakon kisika

Za maticne ploce trebaju ti svakojake legure.

[Mladenxy]

Dao si je truda kao i inače.

[SlavoS]

Autor Starsylph

Za maticne ploce trebaju ti svakojake legure.

Na koje svakojake legure točno misliš ?

[Starsylph]

Autor SlavoS

Na koje svakojake legure točno misliš ?

Legure kositra i olova (tzv. soldiers wire), aluminija, željeza i cinka.