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Staro 27.12.2024., 21:59   #1651
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> Treba mu office.

Normalan workflow je da je libre office već instaliran. Ako ćemo već pričati o normalnom workflowu.

> Imam ispred sebe sad downloadani .tar folder s Libre Office koji u sebi ima 42 .deb filea i nijedan od njih nije "Install".

Svaki od njih se može instalirati. Iz readme:

> This "stand-alone" LibreOffice installer is provided for users in need of previews, having special needs, and for out-of-the-ordinary cases.

Zašto nisu stavili jedan deb file koji instalira cijeli paket umjesto da su stavili pojedine komponente, pojma nemam. Očito je namjena ovog downloada neki skroz drugi use case. Da se mene pita, ne bih to tako napravio jer je zbunjujuće. Kada sam trebao instalirati libre office (samo kada sam eksperimentirao s nekim minimalnim distribucijama) radio sam to kroz repozitorije.

> Ajd mi objasni kako će prosječan korisnik iz primjera gore instalirati išta na ovakav način.

Prosječan korisnik koji prati obratan workflow ako bude htio čitati, nešto će naučiti. Ako ne bude htio čitati, potražiti će neki drugi operativni sustav. Ako zapne na ovakvoj prepreci, onda je možda linux prezahtjevan za istog, što je OK.

>̣ Linux nije intuitivan za korisnika bez predznanja.

Identično kao windowsi. Manje ili više, to je relativno subjektivno.

> Otkud uopće početi?

Od početka, prvi rezultat pretraživanja je obično najrelevantniji. Slično kao i kod pretraživanja interneta. Čitanjem do razumijevanja, druge nema. Činjenično stanje je da si odabrao loš primjer. Libre office je, koliko ja znam, rijetko kamen spoticanja pošto je dio valjda svih main stream distribucija.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 27.12.2024., 22:25   #1652
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Libre office je, koliko ja znam, rijetko kamen spoticanja pošto je dio valjda svih main stream distribucija.
Evo, konkretno, na Ubuntu, koji je čovjek izabrao, nije.

Primjer je dosta generički, jer je većina Windows korisnika čula za Ubuntu kao primjer linux distribucije koja je user friendly za switchere, jer im je GUI blizak onom što su imali na Win.

Uglavnom, korisnike koji nisu odustali nakon početnih frustracija i vratili se na Windowse mogu nabrojati na prste jedne ruke. Oni koji su odustali, a htjeli i dalje unix iskustvo, sad su na OSX koji im je legao isprve.

Ovi koji su napravili upgrade s 10 na 11, sad me zovu da hoće nazad stari context menu, start menu... i već imam set alata kojim vraćam UI na izgled 10-ke jer to žele.
Ljudi su robovi navika. Sve bi odmah novo, ali da nije nimalo drugačije od starog...ali da je bolje
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Staro 27.12.2024., 22:37   #1653
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Bit će da je do ovoga. Ja to ne razumijem, ali valjda sve manje razumijem i ubuntu. Bit će da je to razlog zašto ga nisam instalirao duže vrijeme. Ovo je stvarno neobičan izbor, s obzirom da je image veličine 5.8GB. Pa šta su sve nagruvali unutra za defaultni minimal install Kakva lakrdija.

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Default app changes

The default Ubuntu Desktop installation is now minimal. There is still an “extended selection” option for those who prefer to have applications like LibreOffice and Thunderbird installed for the first boot.

In the extended install, the webcam app is now provided by GNOME Snapshot instead of Cheese

Games are no longer installed by default
Što se tiče osobnog izbora, ja svakoga podržavam da koristi ono što mu paše.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 28.12.2024., 06:59   #1654
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Moderan Ubuntu je "poseban". Ne na dobar način. Minimalna instalacija je ok za one koji znaju što rade i što žele instalirati. Drugo - podrazumijeva se malo informiranja tko/sto/kako/gdje odraditi najjednostavnije stvari na nekom drugom OS-u. Kolko vidim onaj moj tutorial je malo forumaša pročitalo a još manje znalo da postoji. Trud uzalud al hebaj ga. Al nažalost tak je kak je , iz mog iskustva od mojih poznanika samo jedan "stariji" par jos koristi Linux jer je PC zbilja star a drugo koriste samo web browser. Nikad problema sa virusima ili da se ikaj skrsilo. Svi ostali prešli na Windows jer podrške za hardwer ili kompatibilnosti Office formata. Igre začudo nisu problem (meni recimo Civ 5 ne radi ni na Win 10 ni 11, samo Fedori).


@Bubba > financije su možda bile pod kraj problem jer su kreirali na kraju toliko kompleksan sustav (ne pričam samo o Desktop implementaciji) da vrlo malo ljudi isti razumije a jos manje je sposobno isti održavati. Pa za Boga dragoga originalna ekipa je sve imala pripremljeno za SLES da bi na kraju grad rekao (jos 2008-e) da to previše košta i Linux je besplatan i nesmije ništa koštat pa su prešli na OpenSuse na serverima i custom Ubuntu za desktop. Na kraju je ispao Frankenstein čudovište jer svaka firma je gurala svoj način riješavanja problema a osim originalne ekipe skoro nitko od njih nije razumio što je Linux i kako funkcionira. Imam čast sa ostacima te ekipe radit nažalost ili na sreću. Vjeruj mi - ucitelji su imali ( i imaju jos uvijek) takve prohtjeve da ti se posere uz totalnu netoleranciju shvacanja tehnoloskih mogućnosti najprije sustava koji je pred njima a nakon toga i projekta u cjelini. To je bio problem tada , to je problem i danas i zato guraju trenutno Apple jer im je fora sa Ipad-ima po učionici šetat. To kaj je govno nekompatibilno i postaje gore sa svakim updateom sa postojećom i modernom infrastrukturom nikom ništ. It?s shinny i dok mogu iste i doma kao privaten uređaje koristiti - trude se ne gunđat previše. Sa Windows klijentima su problemi samo ako ekipa preko DSM-a neki nedovoljno testirani update pusti. Windows (10 zasad) klijenti rade kak spada. U detalje zašto to ne šljaka i zašto mi se diže kosa na glavi kad vidim Ticket gdje su Apple uređaji upleteni i zašto i dalje održavaju stari Linux sustav na serverima na životu iako su spizdili milijune Eura u zadnjih 5 godina da isti zamjene modernijim riješenjima (od kojih nijedno novo riješenje ne može preuzet ni 1% onog što trenutni sustav radi) neću u ovoj temi.


Hovewer > rigoletto o Linuxu u za to primjerenoj temi spamamo sad već.
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Staro 28.12.2024., 10:22   #1655
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Na temu libre office
Stavljajte ljudima
https://www.onlyoffice.com/download-desktop.aspx
Ni na windowsima vise ne koristim M$ Office (puke)

Najsličniji DE windowsu je Cinnamon koji je namjerno razvijen da liči cim vise i funkcionira kao win 7.
https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

Kaki ubuntu...jadni ljudi...
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Staro 28.12.2024., 10:31   #1656
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Ajd, Libre Office sam instalirao neki dan čovjeku na Ubuntu i bome sam trebao par minuta dok sam pročitao readme i što moram upisati u terminal. Prošlo je neko vrijeme i zaboravio sam već.

Gleda me u nevjerici i pita...jel ću ja to svaki put morati ovako?
Čekam da me nazove i veli da mu vratim sve nazad na Windowse.

Da, LO nema jedan deb file nego je u arhivi više fajlova za razliku od Chromea, Opere,...

Da naprave i LO da možeš instalirati kao i potonje super.
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Staro 28.12.2024., 13:05   #1658
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Na temu libre office
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Ni na windowsima vise ne koristim M$ Office (puke)
Koristio sam only office jedno vrijeme ali mi je nekako skliznuo s radara. Možda bi bilo u redu da mu dadnem opet priliku.
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Instalirao Win 10 IOT LTSC na stari Acer i neke igre (recimo) koje su mi na normalnom Win 10/11 radile tu ne rade iako je sve sto po dokumentaciji tim igrama treba instalirano. Nisam primjetio neke cudne greske u logu. Zato - dual boot i mir.
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IOT LTSC sam stavio na laptop koji imam za po putu jer mi ništa drugo ne treba nego Adobe gore.

Šipak, Creative Cloud je nekompatibilan s LTSC. Tako da, nije rješenje za sve i svakog.
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Instalirao Win 10 IOT LTSC na stari Acer i neke igre (recimo) koje su mi na normalnom Win 10/11 radile tu ne rade iako je sve sto po dokumentaciji tim igrama treba instalirano. Nisam primjetio neke cudne greske u logu. Zato - dual boot i mir.
Na 10 LTSC IOT GTA 3 i VC mi nisu radili, dok svi kasniji GTA su radili bez problema. Na non LTSC 10 VC mi je radio bez problema nakon instalacije onog "direct play". Tako da fali nešto na LTSC/IOT, samo je pitanje što točno. Nekada bih 2 dana tražio u čemu je problem a sada mi je to meh.
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@Bubba > financije su možda bile pod kraj problem jer su kreirali na kraju toliko kompleksan sustav (ne pričam samo o Desktop implementaciji) da vrlo malo ljudi isti razumije a jos manje je sposobno isti održavati.
Jedini nacin da open source ne bude beskrajno skup (daleko skuplji i od proprietary rjesenja) je mainline. Tada nije bilo vrijeme za to. Sada polako dolazi; na desktopu vjerojatno najsporije, ali dolazi.
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Instalirao Win 10 IOT LTSC na stari Acer i neke igre (recimo) koje su mi na normalnom Win 10/11 radile tu ne rade iako je sve sto po dokumentaciji tim igrama treba instalirano. Nisam primjetio neke cudne greske u logu. Zato - dual boot i mir.
Zasad mi radi sve ok win11 iot ltsc nisam naletija na tako nesto a ko zna mozda i naletim zasad definitivno bolje od klasicnog win10/11

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Instalirao Win 10 IOT LTSC na stari Acer i neke igre (recimo) koje su mi na normalnom Win 10/11 radile tu ne rade iako je sve sto po dokumentaciji tim igrama treba instalirano. Nisam primjetio neke cudne greske u logu. Zato - dual boot i mir.
uf dobro da si rekao. taman me svrbilo napraviti downgrade sa 11 ltsc na 10 iot
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Planirao sam s am5 konfom dignuti se na w11 ltsc iot, ali kad sam vidio da mi sve normalno radi na w10 ltsc iot odustao sam od tog plana. Nista ne dobivam, barem ja to ne vidim/osjetim (poslovno koristim w11 ent pa povlacim paralele s w10). Prvi put kada vidim da me ltsc ili iot ogranicavaju, rado cu se prebaciti na w11 ili na neku normalnu verziju os-a.
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ili na neku normalnu verziju os-a.
A to bi u ovom kontekstu bilo što točno?
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Planirao sam s am5 konfom dignuti se na w11 ltsc iot, ali kad sam vidio da mi sve normalno radi na w10 ltsc iot odustao sam od tog plana. Nista ne dobivam, barem ja to ne vidim/osjetim (poslovno koristim w11 ent pa povlacim paralele s w10). Prvi put kada vidim da me ltsc ili iot ogranicavaju, rado cu se prebaciti na w11 ili na neku normalnu verziju os-a.
Prebaci na normalnu, ne vidim razlog kad imaš jaču konfiguraciju?
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Instalirao Win 10 IOT LTSC na stari Acer i neke igre (recimo) koje su mi na normalnom Win 10/11 radile tu ne rade iako je sve sto po dokumentaciji tim igrama treba instalirano. Nisam primjetio neke cudne greske u logu. Zato - dual boot i mir.

Vjerojatno mu fali neki pretpotopni VC, riješenje.


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IOT LTSC sam stavio na laptop koji imam za po putu jer mi ništa drugo ne treba nego Adobe gore.

Šipak, Creative Cloud je nekompatibilan s LTSC. Tako da, nije rješenje za sve i svakog.

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Prebaci na normalnu, ne vidim razlog kad imaš jaču konfiguraciju?

Upravo tako, W11 LTSC nema smisla trenutačno, ali za par godina kad sve više programa/igara nebu radilo na W10 LTSC, bude dobro došao za starije kompove koji ne zadovoljavaju hardware requirements za "klasične" verzije W11.
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Najjača verzija, sa svim uključenim špijunskim telemetrijama, kompletnim bloatwareom, osam game launchera u pozadini, 30+ igara instalirano, sve što vole mladi za gaming periferiju u pozadini na prosječnom kompu za mlade.
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Poanta je u tome da će Wintel mafija u novoj godini cijeli svijet pokušati natjerati da kupe novo računalo i operativni sustav.
Da nema LTSC verzija taj podli plan bi im uspio.
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To mi zvuči da su Borg. Ja sam asimiliran.
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Samo da se osvnrem na isntalaciju programa na Linux. Kao što je netko već spomeno, za nas navikle na Win naj distra je Linux Mint jer je najbliži prozorima, a uz to ima i svoj store sa kojeg se sve instalira jednim klikom. Ima većinu programa, ali naravno da nema sve na storeu, tako da za neke stvari opet treba potegnuti na terminal tj internet.
Negativno mi je što Linux nema neku zamijenu za device manager gdje mogu pregledati što su sve prepoznali i instalirali drivere, te što ne mogu tako na jednostavan način enable/diseable na neki komad HW-a u kopu. Isto tako je loše što na laptopima srče bateriju unatoč instalaciji TLPa (power manager). Pozitivno je što je siguran, relativno stabilan, brz i živahan.

Sjetim se kako sam morao dobro istražiti internet i probati par riješenja da mi Mint ne starta BT po defaultu, da bude diseablean, a da ga ipak mogu upaliti na ''tipku'', i da nakon restarta opet bude disablean. Na win mi je to trivijalno, ali OK, sa Linuxom nisam baš na ti. A mogu mislit kako bi ovo riješio neki kežual juzer.

Sve ima svoje prednosti mane. Vj da se prisilim koristiti samo Linux bi se više priviknu, naučio i možda bi mi postao draži od Win, ovako je samo alternativa.
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Prebaci na normalnu, ne vidim razlog kad imaš jaču konfiguraciju?
Ne vidim razlog zasto bi
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A to bi u ovom kontekstu bilo što točno?
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Negativno mi je što Linux nema neku zamijenu za device manager gdje mogu pregledati što su sve prepoznali i instalirali drivere, te što ne mogu tako na jednostavan način enable/diseable na neki komad HW-a u kopu. Isto tako je loše što na laptopima srče bateriju unatoč instalaciji TLPa (power manager).

1. Znam kaj misliš reći ali dmidecode / dmesg daju većinu tih informacija iako nije jednostavno razaznat čemu fali firmware a čemu ne. Normalni računalni korisnici tu nemaju šanse.

2. TLP je na modernom hardweru i distrama obsolete, drugi faktori tu sad igraju ulogu (nemoj računat da bude baterija 0.000001% dulje držala nego prije, Linux power management i dalje nije na istoj razini kao i Windows jer kvaliteta drivera (kernel moduli + firmware) nije na istoj razini). To se tak skoro nebu promjenilo.
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hardinfo2 (1 - 2) je čist OK Device Manager alternativa
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Non LTSC/IOT verzije, jasno
OK, pojam "normalno" je subjektivan, to je istina. Kada vidim sa čime sve upakiranim windows dođe po defaultu, meni bude slabo.

kopijo, baš budem probao taj VC paket. Volio bih imati jedno pouzdano rješenje za jadnike koji traže da im instaliram to čudo. Dok sam koristio 7 bilo je sve OK jer sam znao što mu fali i za što pita, a sada sam ispao skroz iz tijeka događaja I


Izgnaniče, pa kako do sada nisam čuo za taj hardinfo? Baš zgodno izgleda, jedino je kontrast na temama po meni loš, ali nebitno, default je dobar.
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A u win temi smo pa ono, zna se... Ovdje jedino vas par izlijecenih jos uvijek pricate po linuxu. Pustite nas bolesne na miru
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Ja ne mislim da je itko ovdje bolestan. I jasno mi je da kada ti netko u taj proizvod na koji si naviknut upakira svašta nešto da čovjek ima tendenciju to prihvatiti jer je to, eto, tako sada i tako mora biti a promjene i alternative su teške. Sam sam bio u sličnom položaju pred 5-6 godina i za sebe sam rekao da je dosta bilo. Ne pada mi na pamet da na bilo što bilo koga nagovaram, neka ljudi koriste ono što im je prihvatljivo.

Uključio sam se zbog onog libre office primjera na ubuntu jer mi se to učinilo čudnim i neobičnim a na kraju sam nešto i naučio o tome u kolikoj mjeri su neki ljudi poludili (ubuntu ekipa). Priča tomek duže vrijeme o tome ali nisam imao užitak to koristiti nekoliko godina pa nisam znao iz prve ruke

Ako ljudi koji slažu prozore imaju pravo poluditi zašto ne bi onda i ubuntu ekipa imala isto to pravo. Dok ima alternativa dobro je.
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Ma jasno sve, malo se i ja zaj*. I ja sam pokusao na sve nacine preci na Linux desktop jer "nema u tome bas nista lose" i "zasto ne", ali to se pretvorilo u dva predivno bacena tjedna na debugiranje. Nisam ni dosao do Libreofficea hahaha. Fedora, Mint, Gnome, KDE ma nula bodova. Dok u isto to vrijeme mi je server na Debianu. Headless, jasno, i ne bi ga mijenjao. Pa vise ne znam jesam li ja taj koji je bolestan na Winsdowse ili je problem u, ne znam, Linux desktopu Kako god okrenes, seks je zagarantiran.
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