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Staro 18.10.2025., 12:38   #1171
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Staro 20.10.2025., 10:20   #1172
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Ali kakvo je vrijeme došlo.

Daš 700-800EUR za grafu, puno je to novaca, bez obzira na primanja.

I onda video počne "There are two good mid range options"... Bem ti mid-range, sve radi na ultra u 2k. Ali šta je, je, mid-range je.
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Staro 20.10.2025., 15:20   #1173
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Ali kakvo je vrijeme došlo.

Daš 700-800EUR za grafu, puno je to novaca, bez obzira na primanja.

I onda video počne "There are two good mid range options"... Bem ti mid-range, sve radi na ultra u 2k. Ali šta je, je, mid-range je.
Pa ja mislim da nije. A kupujem grafičke još od doba kad nije bilo 3d akcelerirane grafike.

Cijena grafičke u odnosu na prosječnu plaću u Zagrebu je više manje ista od kad 3D grafičke postoje. Od Voodo...

700€ je pola jednomjesečne prosječne plaće u Zagrebu. Daš pol plaće i miran si 2g. Nakon dvije godine prodaš tu za cca 30% vrijednosti, i ispada da moraš dat 1/3 prosječne plaće za svaki upgrade 2g. A većina ne upgrejda svake 2 godine.

Ispada cca 20€ mjesečno, kad razbiješ na recimo nešto opipljivo poput kave. Grafička te dođe manje od 1 kave na dan (neka mid range ko ove navedene).

Meni je osobno veći problem od cijene grafičkih nać nešto što mi je zanimljivo za igrat s grafičkom.
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Staro 21.10.2025., 00:07   #1174
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Ništa od sutra stavljam 3€ po strani pa skupim do 202.....

Poslano sa mog SM-S918B koristeći Tapatalk
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Staro 21.10.2025., 01:43   #1175
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do 8og mjeseca sljedece godine imas 900€ ako svaki dan stavis 3€ sa strane
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Staro 21.10.2025., 10:27   #1176
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Pa ja mislim da nije. A kupujem grafičke još od doba kad nije bilo 3d akcelerirane grafike.

Cijena grafičke u odnosu na prosječnu plaću u Zagrebu je više manje ista od kad 3D grafičke postoje. Od Voodo...

700€ je pola jednomjesečne prosječne plaće u Zagrebu. Daš pol plaće i miran si 2g. Nakon dvije godine prodaš tu za cca 30% vrijednosti, i ispada da moraš dat 1/3 prosječne plaće za svaki upgrade 2g. A većina ne upgrejda svake 2 godine.

Ispada cca 20€ mjesečno, kad razbiješ na recimo nešto opipljivo poput kave. Grafička te dođe manje od 1 kave na dan (neka mid range ko ove navedene).

Meni je osobno veći problem od cijene grafičkih nać nešto što mi je zanimljivo za igrat s grafičkom.
Štima.

No 2015. je 980Ti koštala oko 600EUR, čak i manje, znači manje od prosječne neto plaće u RH tamo 2015.

Danas 5090 košta 2x od prosjčne plaće u RH, čak i više. 3000EUR.
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Staro 21.10.2025., 11:02   #1177
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Da, samo što danas novac ne vrijedi ni papira na kojem je tiskan
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Staro 21.10.2025., 11:34   #1178
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Da, samo što danas novac ne vrijedi ni papira na kojem je tiskan

Jašta.
Ja neki dan kupio 5090 s filharmonikerom koji sam 2017-e platio 500€!
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Staro 21.10.2025., 11:43   #1179
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Štima.

No 2015. je 980Ti koštala oko 600EUR, čak i manje, znači manje od prosječne neto plaće u RH tamo 2015.

Danas 5090 košta 2x od prosjčne plaće u RH, čak i više. 3000EUR.
jesi siguran?

2017te kad sam kupovao komp je 1080 bila 4500kn, a 1080ti 6000kn. S time da su već 2018te 1080ti krenule na oko 7000kn, a prosječna plaća je bila oko 6300kn

Trenutno je prosječna neto plaća u hr 1440€... ispada da bi potencijalna 5080ti trebala koštati 1600€ ak ogledaš odnos plaća kartica
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Staro 21.10.2025., 11:49   #1180
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A da, možda je jednostavno cifra problem.

Kad sam bio student, mogao sam odvojiti cijelu plaću na grafu i jesti kruh i paštetu cijeli mjesec.

Danas mi je teško dati 1000EUR, bez obziraš to su plaće kudikamo veće.
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Staro 21.10.2025., 12:25   #1181
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jesi siguran?

2017te kad sam kupovao komp je 1080 bila 4500kn, a 1080ti 6000kn. S time da su već 2018te 1080ti krenule na oko 7000kn, a prosječna plaća je bila oko 6300kn

Trenutno je prosječna neto plaća u hr 1440€... ispada da bi potencijalna 5080ti trebala koštati 1600€ ak ogledaš odnos plaća kartica

Ma ne ide to od 2015. nit 17. to ide od početka.

Sjećam se geforce 2, 4000kn, jedna prosječna plaća u zagrebu (high end kartica).


I sad je neka high end kartica tipa 5080 ko prosječna plaća.
Ono što su napravili s TI se odmiče od prosjeka. Al srednja klasa il 80 klasa su uvjek bile tu negdje oko jednomjesečne prosječnbe plaće/pol plaće.


A jbga sad ak netkom je puno, nek mu je puno, al vrijednost se ne mijenja značajno kroz povijest gledano kroz prosječnu plaću.
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Staro 21.10.2025., 12:45   #1182
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Pričate o tim prosječnim plaćama kao i političari, a realnost je dosta drugačija.
Novac je izgubio vrijednost i sve je samo igra brojki, kupovna moć nije narasla u zadnjih 5 godina iako je na računima više love...
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Staro 21.10.2025., 19:09   #1183
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Ja to gledam prostoseljački, gubitak kupovne moći 15% povrh povišice od 25%. Ovo je moj osobni primjer.

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2022-06-01 jaje koštalo 2KN, plaća bila kakvih 11900 KN, dakle 5950 domaćih jaja za plaću
2023-01-01 uveden euro
2025-01-01 jaje koštalo 0.40€, plaća bila kakvih 2000€, dakle 5000 domaćih jaja za jednu plaću
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Staro 21.10.2025., 20:27   #1184
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Ne znam di kupujes jaja, ali cijena domacih jaja je 0,26-0,3€
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Pa ja mislim da nije. A kupujem grafičke još od doba kad nije bilo 3d akcelerirane grafike.

Cijena grafičke u odnosu na prosječnu plaću u Zagrebu je više manje ista od kad 3D grafičke postoje. Od Voodo...

700€ je pola jednomjesečne prosječne plaće u Zagrebu. Daš pol plaće i miran si 2g. Nakon dvije godine prodaš tu za cca 30% vrijednosti, i ispada da moraš dat 1/3 prosječne plaće za svaki upgrade 2g. A većina ne upgrejda svake 2 godine.

Ispada cca 20€ mjesečno, kad razbiješ na recimo nešto opipljivo poput kave. Grafička te dođe manje od 1 kave na dan (neka mid range ko ove navedene).

Meni je osobno veći problem od cijene grafičkih nać nešto što mi je zanimljivo za igrat s grafičkom.

GeForce 6600GT je svojevremeno koštala između 1200-1500kn, ovisno o edicijama. Prosječna plaća u Zagrebu 2004. godine je bila 4150kn.
Tako da nije neka baš računica. A neka midrange konfiguracija je od 90ih nadalje bila oko 2000 tadašnjih maraka. Znači u 90ima je to bilo cca dvije prosječne plaće, a kasnije još i manje.
Sada je neka prosječna konfa 2000€, i to onak sa vrlo jeftinim budget komponentama.
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Staro 21.10.2025., 21:20   #1186
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Ne znam di kupujes jaja, ali cijena domacih jaja je 0,26-0,3€
Kod tebe je vjerojatno tako kako si ti napisao, kod mene je točno tako kako sam ja napisao.
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Kaj su od noja za 4€?
Max na placu je 3.5€, prosjek 3.
Ja nabavljam za 2 tu u selu.
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GeForce 6600GT je svojevremeno koštala između 1200-1500kn, ovisno o edicijama. Prosječna plaća u Zagrebu 2004. godine je bila 4150kn.
Tako da nije neka baš računica. A neka midrange konfiguracija je od 90ih nadalje bila oko 2000 tadašnjih maraka. Znači u 90ima je to bilo cca dvije prosječne plaće, a kasnije još i manje.
Sada je neka prosječna konfa 2000€, i to onak sa vrlo jeftinim budget komponentama.
Pričam o mirange GPU, ne o cijelim konfiguracijama.

Malo bolje si provjeri izvore.

Zaključak, za ok grafičku dovoljno dobru za 2g, je potrebno oduvijek dat pol prosječne plaće. E sad ak je to nekima preskupo, preskupo je.
I oduvjek su ljudi plakali kak su preskupe

Moja perspektiva. Prije nisam imao para za grafičke, pa sam imao para a nisam imao vremena, sad imam i para i vremena, a nemam volje.
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Tko hoće igrati bude igrao, tko hoće kukati može i to. Meni osobno su najbolji gajming dani bili kad sam imao najmanje novaca
Što se trenutne situacije tiče, istina je da je 9070XT/5070Ti oko 700 EUR, ali ne razumijem zašto je to potrebno za gaming? Imate za 200 EUR hrpicu 3060TI i sa tim možete igrati bilo što, ne u 4k i ne na ultra i ne u 240 fps ali to je ionako izdrkavanje a ne pošteni gayming .
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Kaže čovjek s 4070Ti.

A jebiga, informatički forum, ekipa valjda ovdje ima iznadprosječne konfiguracije.

Ne ideš na muzički forum govoriti ekipi da Squier isto zvuči kao i USA Fender i da se svirka može odraditi isto.

Što si više u tom svijetu, shvatiš da Fender ima specifičan zvuk i da je to ono što želiš, to je ono što čuješ, to je ono što te veseli.

Može se svirati s Squierom, naravno...

Fender = konfiguracija.
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Kaj su od noja za 4€?
Max na placu je 3.5€, prosjek 3.
Ja nabavljam za 2 tu u selu.
Vjerujem da u Indiji ili Indoneziji ima i za 0.2€.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Pričam o mirange GPU, ne o cijelim konfiguracijama.

Malo bolje si provjeri izvore.

Zaključak, za ok grafičku dovoljno dobru za 2g, je potrebno oduvijek dat pol prosječne plaće. E sad ak je to nekima preskupo, preskupo je.
I oduvjek su ljudi plakali kak su preskupe

Moja perspektiva. Prije nisam imao para za grafičke, pa sam imao para a nisam imao vremena, sad imam i para i vremena, a nemam volje.

Ne da mi se uopće ići u raspravu, ali uspoređuješ kruške i jabuke. Spomenuo si Geforce 2 seriju i 4000kn. Nisi rekao koji model, ali pretpostavljam da se referiraš na Ultru, top line u to vrijeme.


I sad spominješ 5080 kao primjer današnjice. Ako pokušavaš dokazati poantu, budi dosljedan i spomeni RTX 5090, što je sad top of the line, i DEBELO preko tvojih 1500€ prosječne plaće.


Cijeli život sam do negdje 2016. - 2017. godine, kad je majnanje pregazilo gejming teritorij, kupovao kartice prosječnih performansi i uredno plaćao cca 1200injak svojedobnih kuna ( Ti4200, 6600GT, 7600GT ), kadli ono 2018 . godine za GTX 1060 odjednom 2000kn. RTX 5070 platio 650€ ove godine ( morala je biti unutar 25cm duljine ).


Činjenica je da je GPU komponenti skočila cijena, što zbog majning manije, što zbog AI ludiranja, traži se VRAM po bočnim ulicama kojeg odjednom stavljaju na kapaljku na kartice (a prije naguravali na smeća od kartice, samo da zvuče "kul" i nabrijano).
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Što se tiče memorije, igra im potražnja sigurno ulogu, ali štede da ne bi kartice bile predugo upotrebljive. To je čisti planned obsolescence.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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A koliko ljudi tek troše na druge hobije... Kod mene hi-fi pojeo brdo love, sad ga više ni ne palim. Bicikli i tako to...

Iritantno je što napreduješ, plaća raste, ali teško ju je osjetiti zbog te usrane inflacije. Treba uvijek živjeti na dug :)
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Poslano sa mog SM-S918B koristeći Tapatalk
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