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Ako nemate što skrivati onda:

- hodajte goli po ulici
- uploadajte svoje bankovne izvode i porezne kartice
- objavite javno svoje obiteljsko stablo
- objavite javno svoja ideološka i politička uvjerenja
- dumpajte svoje privatne razgovore u messengerima i objavite online

Zašto to ne napravite?
IMHO izuzev prve stavke (makar je bilo varijacija na temu), mnogi su sve ostalo već napravili kroz razne aplikacije i društvene mreže, tak da su i obiteljska stabla postala javno dostupna.
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In September 2024, 23andMe agreed to pay $30 million to settle a lawsuit over a data breach that had exposed the data of 6.4 million customers in 2023. In January 2024, the company also confirmed that the attackers stole health reports and raw genotype data during five months of credential-stuffing attacks. This 2023 data breach led to multiple class-action lawsuits, which prompted 23andMe—in a move widely criticized by customers—to amend its Terms of Use in November 2023 to make it harder to sue the company. However, 23andMe claimed that the changes aimed to simplify the arbitration process.
Tak jasno da nije prihvatljivo da državni aparati prate sve i svakoga, ali bome dobar dio posla kaj se tiče narušavanja privatnosti im je već lijepo olakšan i serviran na srebrnom pladnju. I onda ja koji ne koristim WhatsApp i sl. pizdarije, te društvene mreže općenito, ispadam čudak, dok pokraj mene lik na semaforu s pederušom oko vrata na sav glas viče u mobitel, da prokleta država koja ga prati kroz 5G čipiranje, jer jebopasmater onome koji postavlja te proklete repetitore samo da Bill Gates ima uvid u nečije kriptovalute.
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Polako ali sigurno ce svi koji koriste “sigurne” alternative postati sumnjiviji od onih koje koriste tehnologiju koja nudi besplatno sve osobne podatke kao sto je google,meta i slično. Čak i obični građani gledaju čudno kad kažeš da nemaš društvene mreže. U bliskoj budućnosti je neminovan digitalni nacizam koji će isprati mozgove naroda koji su ionako već dobrano isprani s raznoraznim medijskim naslovima i tekstovima te se više ne razlučuje istina od laži. Tvrtka dobije kaznu od 30mil€ za “curenje” podataka na kojima su zaradili 200mil€. Kazalište.
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Ako nemate što skrivati onda:

- hodajte goli po ulici
- uploadajte svoje bankovne izvode i porezne kartice
- objavite javno svoje obiteljsko stablo
- objavite javno svoja ideološka i politička uvjerenja
- dumpajte svoje privatne razgovore u messengerima i objavite online

Zašto to ne napravite?
A gle - zavisi od publike jel I bas to svakodnevno vecina populacije nazalost radi - svjesno ili nesvjesno No salu na stranu - primjerice osobno koristim Signal i samo Signal al ne tolko zbog "sigurnosti i privatnosti" vec - nema reklama, aplikacija je jednostavna i radi samo to + ne prodaje moje podatke u pozadini Bog te pitaj kome kao Whatsapp/Viber. I tu dolazimo do onog bitnog - tko ima uvid u te podatke , kako se oni cuvaju i procesuiraju - da u pozadini imam sustav kroz koji recimo policija prati sto pisem - me ne brine. Da koristim sustav koji skuplja moje podatke u svrhu prodaje trecoj strani - to me smeta posto neznam sto ce treca strana sa tim podacima napraviti (i kad ce isti negdje procuriti). Policija (ili neka druga vladina organizacija) ce se koncetrirati samo na ono sto bi moglo biti klasificirano kao kriminalna aktivnost. I u tome je ona vrlo bitna razlika. Dali bi se mogao dogoditi scenarij iz "1984". Naravno. Ali ako je takva sudbina onda je to vec odluceno i tu mi ne mozemo nista.

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Medo volim te.
Opa kolega nisam znao da ste s one strane medalje Kaze se da ljubav ne poznaje granice , zato samo hrabro, imas moju potpunu podrsku
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Problem s tim messenger aplikacijama je što te krug ljudi uvuče u njih. Tako mi je prvi došao viber pa onda whatsapp. "Morao" sam instalirati WA zbog jednog specijalca i sada mi se tamo uvalila hrpa ljudi. Behaving as designed. Da se mene pita, ja bih se prešaltao na simplex, ali onda bih ispao izopačen kao kolega izopćeni

Što se tiče socijalnih mreža, nisam njih nikada niti počeo koristiti, ali treba postaviti pitanje: što su točno socijalne mreže? Youtube? Da. LinkedIn? Da. Na prethodnom makar nemam gotovo nikakvih privatnih podataka (namjerno stavljenih, pitanje šta su o meni sve skupili) a za potonji bih baš volio znati koliki postotak korisnika, osim influencera ima bilo kakvu korist od korištenja istog.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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da u pozadini imam sustav kroz koji recimo policija prati sto pisem - me ne brine.
To znamo ponavljaš se.

Dosta je bilo ljudi, vrijeme je za uništavanje moždanih, clear cache i flushdns, u nedjelju renew
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Telegram se isto kao i većina ostalih okreće ovisno o tome kak vjetar puše.
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Telegramu vjerujem koliko i AP te njegovoj širokoj, raznobojnoj lepezi analnih uvlakača. Mislim da na tom polju jedino se takvim nekim rješenjima kao SimpleX može vjerovati, uz određeni tradeoff.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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...primjerice osobno koristim Signal i samo Signal...
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I tu dolazimo do onog bitnog - tko ima uvid u te podatke , kako se oni cuvaju i procesuiraju - da u pozadini imam sustav kroz koji recimo policija prati sto pisem - me ne brine.
I to sve u istom odgovoru, skoro u istoj rečenici. Ajde da si razbio bar na različite odgovore, ili stranice ove teme.

Znaš da postoji SMS, MMS i RCS? Nema reklama, SMS si siguran da svi primaju, RCS mislim da vidiš odmah da li prima ili ne. Nema reklama niti jedan.

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Ali ako je takva sudbina onda je to vec odluceno i tu mi ne mozemo nista.
To je uvijek bio dobar odgovor kada naiđe problem.
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Ima ona slavna izreka: “daj mi 5-6 rečenica najpoštenijeg čovjeka na svijetu i ja ću vam dati razlog da ga objesite”

Nažalost ne možemo vjerovati raznim institucijama što državnim što privatnim jer se nebrojeno puta otkrilo curenje i zloupotreba osobnih podataka prvenstveno u korporativnom sektoru.

Prirodno je da ljudi budu skeptični i sumnjičavi posebno jer im ništa ne da naslutiti niti im se daju ikakve garancije da će biti bolje u budućnosti. Niti im se mogu dati bilo kakve garancije.

Jedino je sigurno da će se o nama skupljati i pohranjivati još više podataka te da će to biti osigurano zakonom.

A gdje će sve ti podaci završiti, privremeno ili trajno? I što će sve s njima moći napraviti oni koji budu u posjedu? Može li se to uopće predvidjeti?

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Opa kolega nisam znao da ste s one strane medalje Kaze se da ljubav ne poznaje granice , zato samo hrabro, imas moju potpunu podrsku
Širimo ljubav
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To znamo ponavljaš se.

Znati i shvacati nije isto Bitan je uvijek pogled na cijeli koncept ne samo jednu recenicu.


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Reče on, i onda doda:

I to sve u istom odgovoru, skoro u istoj rečenici. Ajde da si razbio bar na različite odgovore, ili stranice ove teme.

Znaš da postoji SMS, MMS i RCS? Nema reklama, SMS si siguran da svi primaju, RCS mislim da vidiš odmah da li prima ili ne. Nema reklama niti jedan.
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Skuzio i sam 1 minutu nakon posta Misao vodilja je da sam poce koristiti Signal jer mi je ostalo islo na zivac zbog reklama i losih optimizacija. A SMS i ostalo - nije besplatno jel
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Reče on, i onda doda:

I to sve u istom odgovoru, skoro u istoj rečenici. Ajde da si razbio bar na različite odgovore, ili stranice ove teme.

Ako je program open source kao Signal onda se može u kodu vidjeti kako se generiraju i razmjenjuju ključevi za komunikaciju. Ako je protokol pravilno implementiran, a po auditima izgleda da jest, onda nema veze što Signal čuva ili ne čuva na svojim serverima jer je privatni ključ za dekripciju isključivo na tvom uređaju i Signal ne može dekriptirati sadržaj tvojih poruka na svojim serverima.

Primjerice ako se dopisujemo preko Gmaila, ali koristimo PGP, onda je sasvim nebitno što Google može čitati te mailove, kad iz njih nema ništa osim nekih žvrljotina koje postaju plaintext tek kad ih moj ili tvoj e-mail klijent dekriptira ključem koji Google nema.
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Znati i shvacati nije isto Bitan je uvijek pogled na cijeli koncept ne samo jednu recenicu.
Koncept Tomek, je da vodiš toliko zanimljiv život da tebe osobno neće nitko nikad, pa makar bilo 1000 dimenzija i paralelnih stvarnosti sa apsolutno svim mogućnostima i varijantama u svemiru i podsvemirima, u nijednom tebe neće nitko nikad prisluškivati/čitati što pišeš od službenih organa. Kada bi se to desilo svemir bi se samouništio. Zbog toga nisi svjestan što se dešava oko tebe.
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Koncept Tomek, je da vodiš toliko zanimljiv život da tebe osobno neće nitko nikad, pa makar bilo 1000 dimenzija i paralelnih stvarnosti sa apsolutno svim mogućnostima i varijantama u svemiru i podsvemirima, u nijednom tebe neće nitko nikad prisluškivati/čitati što pišeš od službenih organa. Kada bi se to desilo svemir bi se samouništio. Zbog toga nisi svjestan što se dešava oko tebe.

Ovaj prvi dio si pogodio - preferiram dosadan i miran zivot bez nepotrebnih turbulencija, one me ionako nadu Ovaj drugi dio si malo fulal. Da sve je meni jasno sto ti zelis reci a ja ti govorim da se od od poplave zelis zastiti slaufom. Smocit ces se hoces ili neces.
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