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Staro 02.08.2025., 17:20   #2611
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Trebao bih savjet nekog iskusnijeg, ako ima takvih. 😁

Naime, imam ulaznu lođu koja je napravljena od metalnih cijevi 40x40mm.
Ja sam to sve rastavio. Mijenjam ispune od lima s PVC-om kao i stakla.
Stakla su bila klasična, debela cca 5mm i oko njih je s jedne strane bila aluminijska lajsna rezana pod 45° i stisnuta s pop nitnama, a s druge strane također lajsna koja je bila ubušena u konstrukciju i pričvršćena vijcima te naravno silikon.


Sad, ako je moguće stavio bih ISO stakla ili neko laminirano staklo. Više mi je bitno staviti nešto što bi držalo staklo, a da ne strši van konstrukcije i da se po mogućnosti da rastaviti.
Neki prijedlozi?

Našao sam ovako nešto, ne znam kako izgleda uživo, a tek u ponedjeljak mogu neš pametno pogledati.

https://www.fom-glass.eu/fo-mcco-pc1...fiksne-stijene

Svaki prijedlog je dobrodošao.



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Staro 11.08.2025., 22:48   #2612
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Preuređujem dnevni pa sam dobio volju napraviti korak malo više od bijelih zidova koji su bili dosad. Uglavnom sam na dijelu koji će biti iza televizora planirao ofarbati kao neki uzorak.

Uz pomoć ChatGPT sam dobio vizualizaciju koje je nešto približno onome kaj bi htio postići, ali bi ja još to pojednostavio na maksimalno nekakvih 6-7 poligona. Ovu sredinu bi maknuo najtamniji ton boje, dvije crte koje idu iz kuteva ne bi mijenjale ton pa da srežem kompleknost.

Dosad sam radio jednostavne crte sa krep trakom, ovo je već malo kompleksnije. Ima li netko neki savjet kako bi trebao pristupiti tome, da dobijem oštre crte i slično? Prije sam krep traku uglavnom maknuo nedugo nakon farbanja jer mi je bilo rečeno da inače traka navuče boju malo pa nije lijepo ravno, no sad mi se čini kao da je previše oblika da bi radio na taj način.

Zadnje izmijenjeno od: Exomaniac. 11.08.2025. u 22:55.
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Staro 11.08.2025., 23:06   #2613
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Ja bi to u više ruku i onda dodavao malo crne u svaku iduću ruku a svjetliji dio maskiraš prije svake naredne ruke.
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Staro 20.08.2025., 08:47   #2614
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Imam limeni oluk koji je na jednom dijelu strulio. Sad dok ne riješim sve to a i krov mislio sam s nekom trakom zalijepiti taj dio da ne kapa.

Koja traka se da nabaviti a da je otpornija za kišu.

Inače u planu je samo ne znam kada da zamijenim cijeli krov na balkonu. Ploče su dale svoje kao i oluk.

Prvo moram vidjeti kakvih sve ploča za pokrit ima i da vidim neku financijsku konstrukciju.

Mada bi zamijenio i stolariju kaj je na tom dijelu lođe. Zagrađena je kasnije. Dio je drveni i isto vidim da ide dotrajalosti pa mislio ugraditi PVC.

Ili aluminijske?

Ali idem prvo zakrpati dok ne vidim točno što ću dalje.
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Staro 20.08.2025., 10:25   #2615
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Promjenili su mi vanjsku stolariju i imam rupe iznad sanduka od roleta. Cime najbolje zapuniti te rupe primarno za zvucno izolirati? Stirodur? Vise slojeva stirodura? Kamena vuna? Glupo mi je da to zeznem kad sam vec uzeo stolariju sa 3 stakla, a buka mi je problem koji rjesavam.

S unutarnje strane u prostoru bi sve to zatvorio s dvije knauf ploce.
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Tnx, imam budem probao.
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Promjenili su mi vanjsku stolariju i imam rupe iznad sanduka od roleta. Cime najbolje zapuniti te rupe primarno za zvucno izolirati? Stirodur? Vise slojeva stirodura? Kamena vuna? Glupo mi je da to zeznem kad sam vec uzeo stolariju sa 3 stakla, a buka mi je problem koji rjesavam.

S unutarnje strane u prostoru bi sve to zatvorio s dvije knauf ploce.
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Kod borbe s bukom mislim da ti je bitno i koliko "tvrdo" prozor zatvara. One ljetno/zimske spike sa zračnosti, ti vjerojatno želiš da ti bude postavljeno na zimsko cijelo vrijeme.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Je li netko lijepio rigips na zid? Ja sam odradio spusteni strop i sad dio moram zalijepiti na stare plocice jer drugacije nece ici. Imam 1 cm debljine + ploca da bih to izravnao sa ugradbenim kotlicem. Nekako sam skeptican, pa ako moze ici neki nosac ispod na miru bih spavao.

Na slici je to ovaj zid lijevo. Trebali smo samo izravnati sa starim plocicama, ali majstor je postavio nosac u ravninini zida, pa sad +2 ploce kasnije imam tu izbocinu

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Kod borbe s bukom mislim da ti je bitno i koliko "tvrdo" prozor zatvara. One ljetno/zimske spike sa zračnosti, ti vjerojatno želiš da ti bude postavljeno na zimsko cijelo vrijeme.
Ne znam za to, Sta je zimski mod s minimalno zracnosti?

Kod mene je otpor na rucki taman ugodan, da nije prelabavo, a bome ni tesko kad rucka dodje do kraja. Vidim na prozorima da se malo vise sljube sa stokom kada okrenem rucku onih zadnjih 15ak °.

Kroz stolariju ne cujem toliko buku, ali cujem da dolazi "od gore", znaci kroz neobradjenu rupu iznad roleta sto je i za ocekivati. Izmedju stolarije i betonskog bangera je oko 0,5-1 cm lufta i to su mi samo privremeno popunili pjenom da ne puse.

Par majstora me odgovara od vune, naginju prema obicnom stiroporu i zavrsnoj knauf ploci. Ja lagano naginjem ka tome da sam to napravim pa ako bas totalno sjebem neka netko drugi napravi bolje (platit cu mu).

Zato uzimam u obzir i overkill solucije
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Pa taj "mod" ovisi o tome koliko zračnosti ostaje nakon što se prozor skroz zatvori. To se podešava na samom prozoru. Neki to prebace dva puta godišnje tako da zimi prozor brtvi bolje a ljeti da dopusti neki mali protok zraka. Isto tako se za stanove koji se ne zrače redovito preporučuje taj ljetni način rada.

Tu di nemaš materijala koji bi pružao otpor prolasku buke naravno da bude najviše buke prolazilo. Ako imaš dovoljno debljine, možeš po meni staviti dva sloja, jedan za buku, drugi za toplinu.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Tnx, bude onda vuna i bok. Fala svima!
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Pa taj "mod" ovisi o tome koliko zračnosti ostaje nakon što se prozor skroz zatvori. To se podešava na samom prozoru. Neki to prebace dva puta godišnje tako da zimi prozor brtvi bolje a ljeti da dopusti neki mali protok zraka.
Ja sam baš pitao ljude koji su mi stavljali prozore treba li to štelati. Rekli su da su to internet fore i da sad svi odjednom misle da su otkrili toplu vodu s time. Oni savjetuju da se to postavi na jednu vrijednost i više ne dira. Zašto? Zato što te brtve ako dugo stoje stisnute u jednom položaju ostanu tako (ipak je guma u pitanju), i onda ako se mjenja to ljetno/zimsko na kraju ih samo sjebeš
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Ista stvar kod mene.

Susjed mi ima PVC stolariju i lani mi je radio 10ak prozora i balkonskih vrata. Kaze namjestit cemo na sredinu i je diraj.
Nama u primorju nisu zime -20°C, jedino sta znaju biti jake bure, ali kaze da ce to postavljeno na sredinu dihtat sasvim OK
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Prodajem i pravim PVC stolariju 20 godina i idemo godišnje sa instalaterima na tečajeve jer stalno napreduje nešto i odgovorno tvrdim da to nije ljetno zimski režim nego fino stelovanje prihvata i dosjeda okna.

Kao što kolege kažu prilikom prejakog pritiska guma će se pokidati . Nema potrebe to dirati ako je dobro naštelovano kod ugradnje.

Nijedan proizvođač okova to ne savjetuje niti specificira kao ljeto zima. To je netko izvalio i ostao živ...
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Nijedan proizvođač okova to ne savjetuje niti specificira kao ljeto zima. To je netko izvalio i ostao živ...
Dako ima to na svojim stranicama
https://www.dako.eu/uk/blog/how-to-a...nd-summer-mode
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Da preformuliram.
Nijedan renomirani proizvođač 🤣

Nađi kod Dako prozora servisne i instalacijajske upute za ugradnju pa vidi što kaže za stelovanje .

Ovo netko popunjava blog bezveze po meni.
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Nema potrebe to dirati ako je dobro naštelovano kod ugradnje.
Ovaj "ako" može biti veliki ako. Da bude savršeno jasno, ja nisam nikome sugerirao da to ide namještati sam.

U mene je do nedavno problem bio kod kliznog prozora što, ja ću ga tako nazvati, horizontalni dištancir, koji stoji sa strane mehanizma za zatvaranje prozora a koji treba zadržati klizni dio prozora u pravom položaju za zatvaranje (sve stručna terminologija) bio pri ugradnji tako podešen da prozor ne nasjedne kako treba te da se ne da niti zatvoriti kako treba. Malena je to bila razlika, možda 2mm i trebalo je proći par godina da se to sve skupa malo razmrda i da postane problem.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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