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Staro 10.03.2025., 13:04   #181
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Što točno dobiješ sa 4070ti->9070?
Manju potrosnju, hladniju karticu = hladniji gaming environment, nebi vjerovo al meni s 43g je vaznije to dvoje nego 3-8fps vise u nekog igri.. Meni je iovako sve iznad 60fps odlicno! Ja neam oko za veci frame rate..I sadasnja 4070ti mi je na 80% power limit.. Jedino sto mi se financijski to sad uopce ne isplati.... U ovih 2g nit igram ista s RT nit sam ga pokuso upaliti .. Trenutno igram Diablo 4, malo RdR2 OL i to je to..
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Staro 10.03.2025., 13:12   #182
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Kolega, niste upućeni. Nisu marže kako ste naveli 1-3% nego rade sa gubitkom. Molim pročitajte ovaj iskaz koji o tome govori.
Ne vidim nigdje nikakav iskaz, nego tvoj post u kojemu namećeš svoju istinu i realnost.
Suludo mi je uopće pomisliti da ikoji trgovac posluje bez dobiti u bilo kojoj trgovačkoj branši, a pogotovo kod hardvera gdje se svakojake cifre pronalaze, no dobro ako ćeš nas ti tako uvjeravati, samo naprijed, pitanje samo tko će povjerovati u to.

EDIT: ne mogu i dalje razabrati jesi ozbiljan u postu ili se rugaš, probat ću se uvjeriti da je ovo drugo
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Koliko se dade iščitati na stranim portalima i forumima hardware-ske tematike, potražnja za AMD Radeon RX 9070 i 9070XT grafičkim karticama je takva da vjerojatno ne postoji količina za koju bi se moglo reći da je dostatna pa čak i po nerealnim cijenama po kojima se prodaju. Rekli bi Win-Win situacija za sve osim za krajnje korisnike koji svoj primjerak nisu uspjeli kupiti.
Da, točno tak ispada, Steve i Tim komentiraju da su cijene kod njih u Australiji za RX 9070 XT skoro duplo niže u odnosu na RTX 5070 Ti, s tom razlikom da nVidia modela uopće nema, dok Radeona ima i bude na zalihi, pa kupci onda sukladno raspoloživosti kupuju ko da nema sutra.
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Staro 10.03.2025., 13:15   #184
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Ne vidim nigdje nikakav iskaz, nego tvoj post u kojemu namećeš svoju istinu i realnost.
Suludo mi je uopće pomisliti da ikoji trgovac posluje bez dobiti u bilo kojoj trgovačkoj branši, a pogotovo kod hardvera gdje se svakojake cifre pronalaze, no dobro ako ćeš nas ti tako uvjeravati, samo naprijed, pitanje samo tko će povjerovati u to.
Maloprije sam optužen od kolege @mamutarka da ne prepoznajem sarkazam. Sad sam primoran prebaciti sve optužbe na Vas, kolega.

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Da, točno tak ispada, Steve i Tim komentiraju da su cijene kod njih u Australiji za RX 9070 XT skoro duplo niže u odnosu na RXT 5070 Ti, s tom razlikom da nVidia ponude uopće nema, dok Radeona ima na zalihi, a kupci onda sukladno raspoloživosti kupuju ko da nema sutra.
Istina ali problem je taj što oni opisuju stanje na svom kontinentu koji nema previše veze sa našim i sjevernoameričkim tržištem dok su globalno poznati i popularni. Slaba je utjeha žitelju Europe što su željene komponente u Australiji cjenovno dobro pozicionirane te dobavljive ali poanta priče stoji.
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Staro 10.03.2025., 13:16   #185
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au jebote al si naporan, s kim se ti svađaš neznam, daj barem s mene sjaši, naporno je
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Staro 10.03.2025., 13:17   #186
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Maloprije sam optužen od kolege @mamutarka da ne prepoznajem sarkazam. Sad sam primoran prebaciti sve optužbe na Vas, kolega.
Ok, sad mi je lakše, stvarno sam pomislio da si ozbiljan na prvu
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Staro 10.03.2025., 13:28   #187
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au jebote al si naporan, s kim se ti svađaš neznam, daj barem s mene sjaši, naporno je
Kolega, nebitni ste, ne zamarajte se.

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Ok, sad mi je lakše, stvarno sam pomislio da si ozbiljan na prvu
Ozbiljno sam sarkastičan. Poanta te poruke tada kao i sada je ismijavanje izjava o problemima, gubitcima, neimaštini i meni osobno najdražem citatu: "ako misliš da je to tako lako, otvori i ti dućan pa ćeš vidjeti kako je to". Da određeni vlasnici tojest predstavnici određenih trgovina nisu izjavljivali iste ili slične rečenice na internetu i forumima, ova moja poruka ne bi bila napisana. Ne iskazujem ljubomoru ili bilo kakav oblik mržnje prema istima već sarkastično interpretiram stanje koje svakako nije jer smatram da nema osobe koja bi imala bilo kakav obrt ili poduzeće da od toga nema financijske koristi tako da su priče o tim jednoznamenkastim maržama ili gubitcima totalno deplasirane. Možda i postoje artikli na kojima to tako jeste ali gotovo je sigurno da na najpopularnijim računalnim komponentama što su grafičke kartice nije slučaj pogotovo u situacijama kao danas da se ne pita kolika je cijena nego je li se može nabaviti.
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Staro 10.03.2025., 13:38   #188
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Istina ali problem je taj što oni opisuju stanje na svom kontinentu koji nema previše veze sa našim i sjevernoameričkim tržištem dok su globalno poznati i popularni. Slaba je utjeha žitelju Europe što su željene komponente u Australiji cjenovno dobro pozicionirane te dobavljive ali poanta priče stoji.
Da, makar, čak i u tzv. Lijepoj Našoj, još uvijek se može naći RX 9070 i XT modela, jedino ostaje provjeriti kakva bude situacija kroz sljedećih nekoliko tjedana i mjeseci.

RTX 5000 serije nema nigdje ni skoro tri mjeseca nakon puštanja u prodaju, pa ako RDNA 4 modeli budu uredno raspoloživi, sigurno da se budu pokupovali.
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Staro 10.03.2025., 13:42   #189
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Manju potrosnju, hladniju karticu = hladniji gaming environment, nebi vjerovo al meni s 43g je vaznije to dvoje nego 3-8fps vise u nekog igri.. Meni je iovako sve iznad 60fps odlicno! Ja neam oko za veci frame rate..I sadasnja 4070ti mi je na 80% power limit.. Jedino sto mi se financijski to sad uopce ne isplati.... U ovih 2g nit igram ista s RT nit sam ga pokuso upaliti .. Trenutno igram Diablo 4, malo RdR2 OL i to je to..

I meni je to bitno, iako ne zbog temperature nego zbog buke. Tihi PC (nečujan u idle) mi je možda i najbitnija stvar.
No čini mi se da nisi baš proučavao brojke, jer su 4070ti i 9070 vrlo blizu po potrošnji (na defaultu), praktički unutar par %. Sa tim da 4070ti ako si zbilja stavio na 80% power limita si debelo ispod 200W, ne znam kako 9070 stoji sa undervoltom ali pretpostavljam da se i nju može lako spustit ispod 200W sa minimalnim gubitkom performansi.
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Staro 10.03.2025., 14:02   #190
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Inače MLID...premda kad razmisliš, mogao sam ga i ja nazvat i ispričat štogod da mi je rekao da ispričam...ne kužim čemu kao taj snimljeni razgovor. :



@Exy: Fun Fact: RDNA4 sa UV po reddit upisima funkcionira jednako kao i zen3 nadalje sa CO. Napraviš UV, a GPU em troši i gije se manje, em boosta više. Tako da je UV na RDNA4 win-win.
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Čovek mora imati ekskluzive, mada su oba Stevea svaki na svoj način potvrdili da su nove Radeon kartice u puno većem opticaju.
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Staro 10.03.2025., 14:11   #192
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Evo sam C/P sa reddita za vlasnike RDNA4:

The 9070 series seems a bit strange when it comes to overclocking. You'll be strictly getting your gains from undervolting, raising the power limit, and memory overclocking but NOT from raising the GPU core frequency. The latter seems to do absolutely nothing.

A quick guide:

Using AMD Adrenalin (should be installed already if you own an AMD card), go to the tuning section. Raise the power limit to the max which should be +10%. Now start to overclock the memory by 25 mhz intervals. After each increment, test the overclock using 3dMark (Time Spy and Steel Nomad) and Superposition. Both of these apps are free GPU benchmark programs which can be found on Steam and with a Google search, respectively. With the memory OC, you'll start to see your scores increase and then peak, and any further increment will start to decrease your score. This inflection point is where you want your memory frequency to stay at for max performance. Realistically you might want to start the frequency test at around 2600 because most seem to easily hit over 2700 mhz with beneficial performance uplift.

Now, start to lower the voltage frequency at about a 20mV increment. This is where you'll see the biggest performance uplift. Do the same benchmark tests as before. Keep doing this until you reach a point where the AMD software or benchmark crashes. Increase the mV by 5 mV until you reach a point where no benchmark app crashes. Give yourself an additional buffer by increasing it another 20 mV to be safe.

I managed to reach an UV of -145mV and it seemed stable. But then got crashes on certain games and the Steel Nomad benchmark. I ended up raising the UV to a total of -100mV where it now seems stable. You won't know how stable your UV is until you play many different games.

I don't have an XT but my 9070 is now performing at an XT level. My overall performance uplift seems to be around 12% - 13% compared to my stock settings. I'm pretty happy with that, given I was sour about not being able to land the XT version. Lol.
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I meni je to bitno, iako ne zbog temperature nego zbog buke. Tihi PC (nečujan u idle) mi je možda i najbitnija stvar.
No čini mi se da nisi baš proučavao brojke, jer su 4070ti i 9070 vrlo blizu po potrošnji (na defaultu), praktički unutar par %. Sa tim da 4070ti ako si zbilja stavio na 80% power limita si debelo ispod 200W, ne znam kako 9070 stoji sa undervoltom ali pretpostavljam da se i nju može lako spustit ispod 200W sa minimalnim gubitkom performansi.
Lega ne znam na koju ti grafu mislis al 4070ti ima 285w tdp
dok 9070 ima 220w tdp..
zato sam i odj 7900xt jer mi je bila to noisy i too hot, pa ubo 4070ti..
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Lega ne znam na koju ti grafu mislis al 4070ti ima 285w tdp
dok 9070 ima 220w tdp..
zato sam i odj 7900xt jer mi je bila to noisy i too hot, pa ubo 4070ti..
Pa ne pričam napamet, imam i ja 4070ti. TDP ti je kao MSRP, možeš ga objesit mačku o rep





4070TI se po defaultu vrti oko 245W, znači kad ništa ne undervoltaš. 9070 je po testovima oko 235W. tldr nema nikakvog smisla ići 4070ti-9070 zbog potrošnje.
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Pa čemu se zamarati s potrošnjom ? Mislim pa neće biti full load 24/7. Ili hoće ?
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Pa ne pričam napamet, imam i ja 4070ti. TDP ti je kao MSRP, možeš ga objesit mačku o rep





4070TI se po defaultu vrti oko 245W, znači kad ništa ne undervoltaš. 9070 je po testovima oko 235W. tldr nema nikakvog smisla ići 4070ti-9070 zbog potrošnje.
To je CPU+GPU.
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To je CPU+GPU.

Jasno, 9070XT sigurno ne vuče 450W. Nebitno je što je, glavno da je usporedivo.
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Nije 450 ali je 400w. XFX sa 15% power limitom vuce 400w
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Ali ide to, prodaje se ko sumanuto izgleda.
Vidim jutros Asrock SL 9070XT na Futuri za 899 i op, nema je više.
U ITA se za 20ak€ više može dobiti XTX, pa imaš mrvu bolje raster performanse.
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https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0DZPBYXYW

xfx 9070 XT mercury za 789 + cca 10 € shipping, ja copio, pa zivi bili
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Pa ne pričam napamet, imam i ja 4070ti. TDP ti je kao MSRP, možeš ga objesit mačku o rep





4070TI se po defaultu vrti oko 245W, znači kad ništa ne undervoltaš. 9070 je po testovima oko 235W. tldr nema nikakvog smisla ići 4070ti-9070 zbog potrošnje.
jbte u pravu si ..
sad iso gledat na msi aft, na pa potrosnja mi tu negdje 150w na 80% pw..
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I mene je TDP u više navrata zajebo. TDP samo označava za kakvu je disipaciju dizajniran hladnjak.


S time, čak i kada bi bila razlika od 80W, ako uzmemo 8h/na dan na max potrošnji razlika bi bila cca 40€ na kraju godine. Prema mojem obračun 10W 24/7 nakon 365 dana doće na cca 15€. Tako da (8/10) x (15/3) = 40€. Nije za baciti ali kada gledaš koja je investicija u pitanju nije baš puno. S time da, naravno, ako radimo s razlikom "nova - postojeća polovna", onda je to skroz drugačija računica.
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Šteta je tak skupu grafu držati na 80% pw...trebao bi ju undervoltati i overklokat, ukupno bi trebao TDP biti niži od deklariranog, temperature će pasti i performanse porasti. Ovak je kod mene na radeonu, 220 tdp pa uz undervolt to padne na 170 w uz viši klok i niže temperature. PW sam dignuo na maks ako grafa zatreba.

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Slažem se da je kolega malo previše satro tu jadnu grafu, ali ako mu je opet dovoljna da nabere fpsa koliko ekran ima hz, onda je valjda ok. A i lijepo je imat tišinu dok se igra
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Staro 12.03.2025., 05:11   #205
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AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Reportedly Outperforms RTX 5080 Through Undervolting

Recent tests by Der8auer using a PowerColor Red Devil RX 9070 XT revealed a 10% frame rate increase in Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K Ultra settings by applying a -170 mV voltage offset while increasing the power target to 110%. This modification enabled the GPU to reach clock speeds of 3.36 GHz, compared to 2.90 GHz at stock settings, resulting in 66 FPS versus the RTX 5080's 65 FPS in identical testing environments. The undervolting phenomenon appears consistent across the product line, with YouTuber Alva Jonathan achieving similar 10% performance improvements on the standard RX 9070 using ASRock's Steel Legend model.

1 FPS FTW!
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Staro 12.03.2025., 06:50   #206
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Ne kuzim o kakvom fenomenu pricaju, identicno je i na rdna 3 i 2.. Overclok je undervolt + power limit na max.. Ali to sto grafa vrti cp2077 ne znaci da se nece srusit na desktopu ili u nekoj low power fazi a obicno tako bude. Sve radi super i onda se srusi kad se izlazi iz igre ili sejva..
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Staro 12.03.2025., 13:52   #207
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Meni je to stvarno zanimljivo. Ispada da GPU bolje podnosi više struje nego napona. A pretpostavljam da proizvođač to zna pa ako ipak postavljaju drugačije, vjerojatno je to zbog toga što kaže kolega magarac.
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