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Staro 12.01.2025., 19:47   #1
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Exclamation PC se ne pali

Dakle, PC kad ga ukljucim samo svjetli jedna lampica power
Ekran je crni nema niti biosa da pokaze. Ventilatori kucista rade. A ventilator procesora ne. Računalo je bilo ugašeni prije 10 minuta i radilo je ok
To je sve sto sad primjećujem.
Konfiguracija na mojem profilu.
Sad da li je do matične ploče, neznam

Molim pomoć pri detekciji kvara.
Hvala.

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Staro 12.01.2025., 20:00   #2
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Prvi štos:
- izvuci IEC kabel iz napajanja
- naravno da neć startati ali simuliraj paljenje na power taster
- vrati IEC kabel u napajanje
- probaj paliti ...
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Staro 12.01.2025., 20:13   #3
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Hvala. Ali nekim čudom je upalilo malo prije.
Kaj bi moglo biti neznam.

Da se to ne bi opet desilo kak da napravim dijagnostiku sa kakvim softverom i ostalo kaj bi se moglo jos moglo napraviti. Jer u pitanju je stara tehnologija. Hvala

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Staro 12.01.2025., 20:27   #4
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U najboljem slučaju ništa nije kardinalno neispravno,
ponekad se desi da psu ne želi startati,
najčešće ako je bilo oscilacija u AC mreži.
Gornja procedura na neki način resetira psu i sve proradi.
Ako se situacija u buduće bude ponavljala onda se može sumnjati na psu tj. da je za servis ili zamjenu.
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Staro 13.01.2025., 07:31   #5
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Odvoji ATX konektor s matične ploče. Naponski kabel neka bude u utičnici. Uzmi komad žice, spajalicu ili nešto slično i spoji na ATX konektoru zelenu žicu i bilo koju crnu. PSU bi trebao proraditi. Ako ne proradi, problem je u njemu.
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Staro 13.01.2025., 09:41   #6
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Već mu je proradio.
To šta si predložio ne mora pokazati pravo stanje,
gore sam opisivao, nekad je potrebno "resetirati" psu (vađenjem AC kabela) kako bi proradio dio zadužen za full start psu a time i cijelog pc.
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Staro 13.01.2025., 12:03   #7
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Meni kad sam imal takve situacije je bilo indikator da napajanje krepava i da bu uskoro trebalo novo
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Staro 13.01.2025., 14:52   #8
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Najbolji detalj je šta obično (nakon nekog vremena) počne zezati jedan malecki elektrolit u dijelu psu koji stalno radi. a njegova vrijednost je valjda 1 € (i to sam puno rekao).
A kad se već otvara onda se usput pregledahu i ostali elektroliti.
Ako je baš pravi kvar sa bijelim dimom, eventualno eksplozijom onda krpanje često nema smisla.
Nezgodno je to da popravak / servis psu - a nije za svakoga, traži neko predznanje inače može završiti pogibeljno !
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Staro 13.01.2025., 17:02   #9
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Da, identični slučaj kao i jučer. Nakon gašenja PC probao sam opet upaliti i ništa. Treba nekih 15-20 minuta proći da bih ga mogao upaliti.
Probam sve ovo kaj ste naveli. Pa javim dalje...
Hvala svima!
Sad sam kabel iz matične ištekao i ponovo uštekao. Pa upalim i svira 4 beepa, ventilatori zavrte od procesora pa se gase.
Ali sam uspio odmah upalii PC. Eto, sad neki novi detalji za dijagnostiku.

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Staro 13.01.2025., 21:17   #10
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Komponente su ove pod Moj komp ?
Od kada je taj komp u pogonu ?
Jeli šta klokano ili je sve default ?

4 kratka beep - a kod AMI bios - a koji je na toj ASRock Z77 Pro4-M ukazuje potencijalni problem sa memorijom.
Za taj detalj odradi:
- izvuci IEC kabel iz napajanja
- izvadi pa vrati memoriju da se osvježi spoj kontakata
- vrati IEC kabel u napajanje i probaj palit

Kada proradi provjeri postavke memorije u Bios - u prema specs memorije koju imaš, eventualno probati sa ili bez XMP profila.
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Staro 13.01.2025., 23:37   #11
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Možda prije svega jedan reset BIOSa te kontrola baterije.
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Staro 14.01.2025., 05:59   #12
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Resetiraj BIOS na tvornicke postavke. Probaj ako je ikako moguce sa drugim napajanjem cisto da njega izbacis iz jednadzbe. Ovo mi smrdi na MBO ili neki kratki spoj unutar kucista (ako je napajanje ispravno).
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Staro 14.01.2025., 11:20   #13
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Ok. Hvala probam.

Nista nije dirano na kompu. Tak je kak je godinama.
Ali gledal sam ta 4 beepa, pa veli da je tajmer mozda u pitanju .
Uglavnom sad nikako nece vise da se upalil Pc

Počistio sam utore memorije, zamjenio ih i sad ću vidjeti što će dalje biti. Sad ugasim i upalim normalno.
Kaj je moguće da je to do memorije?
Neka ostane topic. Hvala svima

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Staro 14.01.2025., 20:56   #14
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Ako bi bio neki problem sa RAM, računalo bi trebalo upaliti dovoljno dugo da počne cviliti. Ono što sam ja vidio, najviše nasumičnih problema je bilo uzrokovano slabom baterijom na matičnoj. Te baterije obično traju dosta dugo, 5-10 godina kada su original koje su došle s pločom. Međutim, ponekada kada baterija ne drži dobro napon, nastaju baš jako čudna sranja. Taj problem se lagano testira vađenjem baterije. Dok je napona mreže neće zaboraviti postavke u BIOSu.

Tako da isključi računalo sa mreže 220v, izvadi bateriju, pusti tako pola minute, možeš par puta stisnuti i gumb za paljenje računala. Ostavi bateriju vani, ukopčaj na 220v i koristi računalo.
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Staro 15.01.2025., 10:07   #15
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Tako će mu se resetirati Bios postavke, pa to treba imati u vidu (provjeriti custom postavke).
Mada zna lagati, napon baterije se vidi u Biosu.
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Staro 15.01.2025., 12:30   #16
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Ok. Hvala probam.

Nista nije dirano na kompu. Tak je kak je godinama.
Ali gledal sam ta 4 beepa, pa veli da je tajmer mozda u pitanju .
Uglavnom sad nikako nece vise da se upalil Pc

Počistio sam utore memorije, zamjenio ih i sad ću vidjeti što će dalje biti. Sad ugasim i upalim normalno.
Kaj je moguće da je to do memorije?
Neka ostane topic. Hvala svima
Naravno da moze biti do rama.

Jedan savjet, nisi od jucer na forumu, izbjegavaj pisati sa po 2 reda razmaka i nemoj double postat, koristi opciju "edit post".

Sada sam popravio, ubuduce mi lakse obrisat.
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Staro 15.01.2025., 14:22   #17
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Odvoji ATX konektor s matične ploče. Naponski kabel neka bude u utičnici. Uzmi komad žice, spajalicu ili nešto slično i spoji na ATX konektoru zelenu žicu i bilo koju crnu. PSU bi trebao proraditi. Ako ne proradi, problem je u njemu.



ne mora znaciti. imao sam slucaj gdje se napajanje na taj nacin palilo (vent se vrtio normalno) ali nije se htijelo upaliti kad spojis na mobo. na kraju uzeo onaj psu tester od kineza koji je pokazao da napajanje ne daje dovoljno voltaze/napona ili cega vec. (karikiram, ne sjecam se tocno ali trebalo je davati npr 300w na 24 pinskom a davalo je 50, sto je dovoljno da se vent zavrti kod kratko spoja ali ne i da se cijeli komp upali)
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