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Staro 20.10.2024., 11:52   #2101
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STAN: kupovina, krediti, APN...

Ako je baka servis blizu ili vrtić… a još ako je oboje blizu… Ili ako je firma blizu… to je velika prednost. Još ako je gazda OK…

Ja zahvaljujući blizini svega navedenog tankam auto svaka cca dva mjeseca. Ali to da ne moram dva puta dnevno umirati u gužvama - neprocjenjivo.
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Staro 21.10.2024., 08:43   #2102
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Ak se za kucu nemre dobit 400k onda ona realno ne vrijedi 400k
Realna vrijednost je ono po cemu je mozes prodat.
Jedno je procjena, drugo je prodaja.

Kuća je procjenjena na 425k.

MENI se prodaje za puno manje, iz više razloga, koje ću zadržati za sebe. A i jedan od razloga je što 425k ne može dobiti. E sad, zašto? Postoje dobri razlozi za to. Ponovo, ostaju za mene.

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Uopce nije glupost nego je zakonodavac predvidio da bi se ljudi kao ti radije jebali u guzicu nego platili.
A ovo da kuca realno vrijedi 400 ali ne moze dobit 400 zbog realnih razloga ahahah koji k je ta konstrukcija, sta je pjesnik htio rec? Osim onih tipicnih kafanskih baljezgarija "kako si dobio kucu za 100K manje nego vrijedi"?
Ništa pjesnik nije htio reći osim onoga što je rekao. Za kuću se ne može dobiti onoliko na koliko je procjenjena. Točka.

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Ako je baka servis blizu ili vrtić… a još ako je oboje blizu… Ili ako je firma blizu… to je velika prednost. Još ako je gazda OK…

Ja zahvaljujući blizini svega navedenog tankam auto svaka cca dva mjeseca. Ali to da ne moram dva puta dnevno umirati u gužvama - neprocjenjivo.
Ali to ne ovisi samo o tome što si naveo. Ovisi i o tome kako živiš. Ženi je posao 3km dalje, meni 500m dalje. Ona s autom, ja pješke, 2-3 dana u tjednu, 2-3 dana radim home-office.
Svejedno radimo 20k godišnje i tankamo često.
Ali, čim se nađemo doma iza 16-17h, rijetko kad ostanemo doma. Vikend nikada gotovo. A sve nam je tu, pred nosom. Od trgovina, ljekarna, vrtića, škola, posla.
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Staro 21.10.2024., 08:48   #2103
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Apsolutno te kuzim, ja recimo kad sam prodavao auto, procijenio sam ga na 100k eura ali sam dobio 6k eura, iz objektivnih razloga.

P.S. Dat cu ti hint, procjena je kriva.
Kad sam kupovao stan napravili smo procjenu jer je od familije bio i procjena i cijena na trzistu se poklapala u euro. Tako da nadji novog procjenitelja.
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Staro 21.10.2024., 09:04   #2104
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Apsolutno te kuzim, ja recimo kad sam prodavao auto, procijenio sam ga na 100k eura ali sam dobio 6k eura, iz objektivnih razloga.

P.S. Dat cu ti hint, procjena je kriva.
Kad sam kupovao stan napravili smo procjenu jer je od familije bio i procjena i cijena na trzistu se poklapala u euro. Tako da nadji novog procjenitelja.
Ma nije, daj, u tom topicu sam već 6 mjeseci, imao svog procjenitelja i on svog. Pa ne kupuješ kuću jer si odlučio preko noći. Kuća nije na prodaju van, nigdje na njuškalu ili bilo kakvom oglasu.

Kažem, nije baš sve tak jednostavno, znam koliko kuća vrijedi i koliko je potrošeno, imam sve papire, račune, 2 procjene itd. Čovjeka znam osobno već godinama.

Kuća je jeftinija, jer eto, tako mora biti.

Ali uopće nevažno, pitanje je bilo vezano uz porez, odgovor sam dobio.

Iz prve ruke ti mogu reći, vjenčani kum kupio kuću za 50k, stara 40+ godina, koju će pretvoriti u vikendicu. Uspio se dogovoriti s procjeniteljom da vrijedi 70k, da bi dobio stambeni i potrošio dodatnih 20k na uređenje. Tako da, koliko što vrijedi i koliko se prodaje možeš okačiti o klin danas. Kuća se prodavala za 100k 5 godina, pa za 70k, pa na raju za 60k. I on se dogovorio za 50k. Ja prodajem sad stan za 250k, procjenjen je na 100k prije nekih 2 godine. I u 2 dana me zvalo barem 10 ljudi, danas dolaze dvoji gledati. I osobno, znam da stan toliko ne vrijedi. Ali ljudi imaju love i manjak je stanova. Za kuću vrijedi obrnuto. Lokacija, veličina, kuhinja koja realno može koštati 7k EUR, potrošio je 25k eur itd. Kauč nije 1500EUR, nego je po narudžbi za 5000EUR itd. Znači 100 razloga da bi kuća vrijedila 400k a ne može se prodati za 400k.

Zadnje izmijenjeno od: Mommistake. 21.10.2024. u 09:12.
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Staro 21.10.2024., 09:13   #2105
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Ekipa,

slabo pratim stanje tržišta nekretnina u zadnje vrijeme. Znam samo da je APN ukinut. Da li će biti neka nova mjera za "mlade" i prvu nekretninu?
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Staro 21.10.2024., 09:14   #2106
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Ekipa,

slabo pratim stanje tržišta nekretnina u zadnje vrijeme. Znam samo da je APN ukinut. Da li će biti neka nova mjera za "mlade" i prvu nekretninu?
Za sada ništa takvoga.

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Staro 21.10.2024., 10:33   #2107
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Ma nije, daj, u tom topicu sam već 6 mjeseci, imao svog procjenitelja i on svog. Pa ne kupuješ kuću jer si odlučio preko noći. Kuća nije na prodaju van, nigdje na njuškalu ili bilo kakvom oglasu.

Kažem, nije baš sve tak jednostavno, znam koliko kuća vrijedi i koliko je potrošeno, imam sve papire, račune, 2 procjene itd. Čovjeka znam osobno već godinama.

Kuća je jeftinija, jer eto, tako mora biti.

Ali uopće nevažno, pitanje je bilo vezano uz porez, odgovor sam dobio.

Iz prve ruke ti mogu reći, vjenčani kum kupio kuću za 50k, stara 40+ godina, koju će pretvoriti u vikendicu. Uspio se dogovoriti s procjeniteljom da vrijedi 70k, da bi dobio stambeni i potrošio dodatnih 20k na uređenje. Tako da, koliko što vrijedi i koliko se prodaje možeš okačiti o klin danas. Kuća se prodavala za 100k 5 godina, pa za 70k, pa na raju za 60k. I on se dogovorio za 50k. Ja prodajem sad stan za 250k, procjenjen je na 100k prije nekih 2 godine. I u 2 dana me zvalo barem 10 ljudi, danas dolaze dvoji gledati. I osobno, znam da stan toliko ne vrijedi. Ali ljudi imaju love i manjak je stanova. Za kuću vrijedi obrnuto. Lokacija, veličina, kuhinja koja realno može koštati 7k EUR, potrošio je 25k eur itd. Kauč nije 1500EUR, nego je po narudžbi za 5000EUR itd. Znači 100 razloga da bi kuća vrijedila 400k a ne može se prodati za 400k.
Meni je procjena kuce bila skoro 2.5 puta veca nego sto sam je ja platio kada sam isao dizati adaptacijski kredit. Porezna mi je tada pukla porez na cijenu na koju sam platio. Ali kada sam nazvao procijentilja da mi obavi procjenu kuce on me cak i pitao kolika mi procjena treba radi kredita tako da te neke procjene mozes ponekad objestiti macku o rep.

Sto se tice kakvih mjera mislim da sljedece godine ce smanjiti porez na nekretnine za mlade od 45 godina. To je jedino sto sam ja citao.
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Staro 21.10.2024., 10:38   #2108
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Meni je procjena kuce bila skoro 2.5 puta veca nego sto sam je ja platio kada sam isao dizati adaptacijski kredit. Porezna mi je tada pukla porez na cijenu na koju sam platio. Ali kada sam nazvao procijentilja da mi obavi procjenu kuce on me cak i pitao kolika mi procjena treba radi kredita tako da te neke procjene mozes ponekad objestiti macku o rep.

Sto se tice kakvih mjera mislim da sljedece godine ce smanjiti porez na nekretnine za mlade od 45 godina. To je jedino sto sam ja citao.
Pa točno to i ja govorim, procjena i prodajna cijena su različite stvari.

Kuća vrijedi onoliko koliko je netko spreman platiti, tj. za koliko se može prodati.

Tako da, 400+k, na što je procjenjena, kuća ne vrijedi, jer se ne može prodati za te novce iz određenih razloga. Tj. možda i može, ali će trajati i trajati, pa naleti neka budala.

Pitanje je bilo, jel plaćam porez na procjenjenu vrijednost ili ugovorenu. 100k razlike nije malo.
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Staro 21.10.2024., 12:08   #2109
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Na ugovorenu ces platiti osim ako nije neka bas totalno nerealna cifra. S tim da najbolje to rijesiti sljedece godine ako mozes da i taj dio donekle izbjegnes.
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Staro 21.10.2024., 12:52   #2110
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Na ugovorenu ces platiti osim ako nije neka bas totalno nerealna cifra. S tim da najbolje to rijesiti sljedece godine ako mozes da i taj dio donekle izbjegnes.
A kak se kaže, nije moguće, riješiti će se kroz mjesec-dva najkasnije.

Znam za ovo gore, ali nije moguće.

Na temu APN-a, jel netko selio a da je primao subvencije a da nije dobio dijete?

Čitam na netu, neki kažu da subvencije prestaju ali da ne treba vraiti već subvencionirati iznos, neki kažu da treba itd.
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Staro 21.10.2024., 13:54   #2111
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Meni su oderali porez prilikom kupnje zemljišta u odnosu na cijene ostalih zemljišta u okolici, a ne na ugovorenu cijenu zemljišta.
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Staro 21.10.2024., 13:57   #2112
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tako i meni, ja i sestrična dogovorili ok cijenu za to područje, međutim za par mjeseci mi je došla razlika poreza
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Znači 100 razloga da bi kuća vrijedila 400k a ne može se prodati za 400k.
Kupiš auto za 5k€. U godinu dana ulupaš u njega još toliko i prodaš ga za 5k€.

Znači auto vrijedi 5k€ za koliko si ga prodao. Ne vrijedi 10k€. Tih uloženih 5k€ je propala investicija.

Možda kao oldtimer bude vrijedio 5x više za 20-30god, možda bude vrijedio 1€ ali sada vrijedi 5k€.
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Kupiš auto za 5k€. U godinu dana ulupaš u njega još toliko i prodaš ga za 5k€.

Znači auto vrijedi 5k€ za koliko si ga prodao. Ne vrijedi 10k€. Tih uloženih 5k€ je propala investicija.

Možda kao oldtimer bude vrijedio 5x više za 20-30god, možda bude vrijedio 1€ ali sada vrijedi 5k€.
Kuća je službeno procjenjena od 2 različite strane. Nije to neki puki hir i nečija odluka...

Nemam volje više se navlačiti zašto je cijena takva kakva je, cijena je takva i gotovo.
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Znači bježiš iz onog stana gdje su ti ovi gore lupali? Ništa se nije popravila situacija?
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Znači bježiš iz onog stana gdje su ti ovi gore lupali? Ništa se nije popravila situacija?
Ma riješilo se to, odselio se čovjek.

Selim jer imam dobru priliku za kuću a i stan se prodaje na velike novce, pa eto, win:win situacija.
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Kuća je službeno procjenjena od 2 različite strane. Nije to neki puki hir i nečija odluka...

Nemam volje više se navlačiti zašto je cijena takva kakva je, cijena je takva i gotovo.
Skuplja procjena ti ide u korist za kredit. Ali ta procjene se ne moraju poklapati s tržišnom cijenom stana. U zagrebu je češći slučaj da procijene na manju vrijednost od stvarne tržišne pa ljudi znaju imati problema s dizanjem kredita, ako nemaju dovoljno "keša".

Stan vrijedi onoliko koliko vrijedi na tržištu, tj. za koliko se može prodati.
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Skuplja procjena ti ide u korist za kredit. Ali ta procjene se ne moraju poklapati s tržišnom cijenom stana. U zagrebu je češći slučaj da procijene na manju vrijednost od stvarne tržišne pa ljudi znaju imati problema s dizanjem kredita, ako nemaju dovoljno "keša".

Stan vrijedi onoliko koliko vrijedi na tržištu, tj. za koliko se može prodati.
Ma jasno, ne trebam više love.

Ali da, to je istina, slažem se.
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Za sada ništa takvoga.

Eventualno Gradski stanovi i POS program, gdje je kvadrat, tu u VŽ, 1400EUR.
Ispravak, 1790eu/m2
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Staro 02.11.2024., 12:41   #2122
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Možda sam mašio temu, ali ajde da vidimo: došla je na red za prodaju starina od pokojne babe. Ona je to bila legalizirala pred cca 10 godina, a papiri od toga pojma nemam gdje su. Računam da su negdje u kući, a ako nisu pojma nemam što da radim. Nesretno je da mi agent nije to još pred godinu dana spomenuo, nego je to sada usput pitao kada je rekao da je našao kupca.

Imate li kakav savjet? Kuća je uredno legalizirana i ucrtana. Sve lijepo piše na geoportalu tako da po meni tu nema ništa sporno. Niti bilo tko što osporava, ali eto, đe su papiri
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 02.11.2024., 19:01   #2123
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Potraži u državnom arhivu ili na gruntovnici. Najjednostavnije bi bilo da imaš uruđbeni broj, ali ako znaš česticu i ne bi trebalo biti problema.
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Staro 02.11.2024., 21:01   #2124
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A imam to što piše u izvatku iz zemljišne knjige. Urbroj od izvedenog stanja odnosno urbroj od uporabne. Reklo bi se da je to ovako kako piše čisto kao suza.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 03.11.2024., 11:40   #2125
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Staro 03.11.2024., 13:33   #2126
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Možda sam mašio temu, ali ajde da vidimo: došla je na red za prodaju starina od pokojne babe. Ona je to bila legalizirala pred cca 10 godina, a papiri od toga pojma nemam gdje su. Računam da su negdje u kući, a ako nisu pojma nemam što da radim. Nesretno je da mi agent nije to još pred godinu dana spomenuo, nego je to sada usput pitao kada je rekao da je našao kupca.

Imate li kakav savjet? Kuća je uredno legalizirana i ucrtana. Sve lijepo piše na geoportalu tako da po meni tu nema ništa sporno. Niti bilo tko što osporava, ali eto, đe su papiri
Agentu je najveci doseg staviti na njuskalo oglas i pokupit proviziju od kupca i/ili prodavača.

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Staro 03.11.2024., 13:51   #2127
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Ma ovaj agent mi je ostavio dobar dojam. Pretpostavljam da od vremena koje je prošlo od kada smo to stavili kod njih na prodaju do neki dan kada je to konačno prodano čovjek je jednostavno zaboravio.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 03.11.2024., 16:28   #2128
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Agentu je najveci doseg staviti na njuskalo oglas i pokupit proviziju od kupca i/ili prodavača.

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True story.
Svakodnevno nažalost imam kontakt sa agentima za nekretnine, oni ne znaju pročitati vlasnički list, a to je osnovna stvar za njihov posao.

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Staro 03.11.2024., 16:37   #2129
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Ajde da provjerim jednu stvar koju sam uzeo zdravo za gotovo

Kaže mi agent kako je prodavatelj dužan imati energetski certifikat i kako isti košta 120€. Pretpostavljam da je to nešto što je bitno da lik lupi pečat, ipak se radi o staroj kući od 40ak kvadrata. Kakva certifikati bogati Je li to normalna cijena? Vidim na njuskalu da to ekipa nudi "od 45€".


EDIT: pa onda naletim na ovakve pizdarije.

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Izdaje se za zgradu, odnosno njezin poseban dio, za koji je potrebno koristiti energiju za održavanje unutarnje projektne temperature u skladu s njezinom namjenom, osim za:

- zgradu koja se koristi za održavanje vjerskih obreda ili vjerskih aktivnosti
- privremenu zgradu čiji je rok uporabe dvije godine ili manje, industrijsko postrojenje, radionicu i nestambenu poljoprivrednu zgradu s malim energetskim potrebama
- stambenu zgradu koja se koristi manje od četiri mjeseca godišnje
- slobodnostojeću zgradu s ukupnom korisnom površinom manjom od 50 m2.

EDIT: djava ga odnija, 61 kvadrat je ukupno. Korisna površina uključuje i podrum, koji se bogami niti grije niti hladi, ali tu bitku ne budem vodio.


EDIT: što se cijene tiče vidim da mi kuća spada u kategoriju "do 200" i da cijena od 120€ nije niti tako loša. Našao sam jedne koji za kuće naplaćuju "od 80€". Možda nadjem nekoga tko se specijalizirao za stare kuće.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.

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Treba ti energetski certifikat. Bolje da si prodavao sam bez krvopije

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