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Staro 12.09.2024., 21:25   #3481
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Kako je nema? Nije poslana uz poziv za davanje odgovora na tužbu ili fizički ne postoji u spisu?
Spominje se tužba iz 12/2022ge dok je datum tužbe koja je prisutna u spisu 01/2024. Kada kažem spis mislim "snop papira koji smo dobili od suda". Ne zanima me što imaju digitalno, poslali su papir, radim s papirom.

Citiram točku 1 poziva: Dostavlja se tužba od 23.12.2022. s prilozima uz podnesak od 27.12.2022. godine radi podnošenja odgovora na tužbu.

Onda imam "Obavijest o primitku elektroničkog podneska" datiran na 01.02.2024.

Onda imam tužbu odvjetničkog ureda Ispičuture i Bitange od 01.02.2024. Kako piše - Radi: ovrhe, VPS: 26.82 €.

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Nije putovalo 6 mjeseci 10 km, nego je sudac vjerojatno napisao Rješenje prije 6 mjeseci, a tek sada je otpremljeno.
Funkcionalno dođe na isto. Od njegovog stola do mog stola 10KM dalje 6 mjeseci kasnije. I još u točki 5 obavijesti sud navodi kako "ako strana ili njezin zastupnik ne obavijeste odmah sud o promjeni adrese..." a njima treba 6 mjeseci da pošalju predmet.Smijurija. Što njima znači "odmah"?

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Moguće, kvaliteta radne snage je jako loša u zadnje vrijeme u svakoj branši,a nove generacije koje će raditi ovršne predmete imaju attention span zlatne ribice.
Takozvana utrka do dna.

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Ako piše da je orvhoovoditelj/ tužitelj HEP, nisu prodali.
Piše da je tužitelj HEP, tako je. Dakle, u ovom predmetu je preskočen javni bilježnik i išlo se preko odvjetnika. OK.

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Onda u odgovoru na tužbu napišeš da ističeš prigovor zastare potraživanje,jer sut ne pazi po službenj dužnosti na zastaru.
To je sve jasno.

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1. Pravo HEP-a je da bira hoće li sami pisati ovrhu ili dati nekomu drugome da im vodi ovršne predmete.
Mene je zbunilo što nisu išli klasika preko javnog bilježnika. U biti ovo dodje na isto, jedino što se odvjetnik želi dodatno/više naplatiti. I imam 30 dana za odgovor, umjesto 15.

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2.Ako će druga strana potencijalno uspjeti u parnici samo 5 €, to je nekih par posto od ukupno utuženog iznosa, sud će odrediti da svaka stranka snosi svoje troškove.
Radi se o točno 21,2% iznosa. Ostatak je u zastari. ZPP mislim da kaže da se u slučaju djelomičnog uspjeha troškovi naplaćuju u sličnom omjeru. Eksperimentiram već neko vrijeme s potraživanjem naplate vlastitih troškova na sličan način, to ću morati malo razmisliti kako da formuliram.

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Ne piše da ga dostavi, nego piše da svaki podnesak upućen sudu mora sadržavati OIB.
Ljudi često pošalju podnesak na krivi poslovni broj predmeta, ili čak krivi sud ili slično, i onda na sudu traže po stranakama/OIB-u ispravni broj spisa.
Piše: Tuženik je dužan u odgovoru na tužbu navesti svoj osobni identifikacijski broj (čl. 106. st. 2. ZPP-a)

Zakon kaže: Podnesci moraju biti razumljivi i moraju sadržavati sve ono što je potrebno da bi se u vezi s njima moglo postupiti. Podnesci osobito trebaju sadržavati: oznaku suda, ime, prebivalište, odnosno boravište stranaka, njihovih zakonskih zastupnika i punomoćnika, ako ih imaju, osobni identifikacijski broj stranke koja podnosi podnesak, predmet spora, sadržaj izjave i potpis podnositelja.

Razumijem što govoriš, ali ovo je za mene napisano zbrda zdola. U pravilu sve što mi dolazi sa suda uvijek ima OIB u zaglavlju. Krivo sam interpretirao. Sve skupa nebitno, doduše.

Sada čitam tu priloženu obavijest o primitku elektroničkog podneska, odvjetnik navodi za pristojbu:
Pristojbena osnovica: 26.82€
Nominalni iznos: 13,27€
Postotak oslobađanja po osnovi korištenja ovog sustava: 50%
Plaćeno: 6,64€

Pa bogati, kako su došlo od 26,82€ na 6,64€? Koliko mene služi matematika to je popust od 50% apliciran dva puta. Znači li to da popust ide na račun korištenja digitalnog sustava? Mater bi trebala uskoro dobiti novu osobnu koja će valjda imati gore čip, teoretski mogu to koristiti da pristupim predmetu. Znam što treba i gdje, samo nisam mogao pristupiti tim predmetima kada je to sve na nju.

Pitao sam na sudu pa su me gledali kao telad, ima li možda načina da se ti predmeti povežu i sa mnom tako da mogu i ja pristupati njima preko sustava te podnositi podneske digitalno?
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Staro 13.09.2024., 07:44   #3482
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Čini mi se da se sam sebi opravdavaš što nisi prije vodio brigu o majci, pa su sad svi krivi i svi nešto muljaju: bio sam u sličnoj situaciji sa svojom majkom, potpisivala je ugovore sa operaterima, nije znala što i kad je ili nije od računa platila, ali sam svako malo prekontrolirao račune i papire i sve greške na vrijeme riješio... 😀
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Staro 13.09.2024., 08:16   #3483
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Ne znamo kakva je nečija obiteljska situacija a svi znamo koliko stare osobe mogu biti teške, naporne i nemoguće. Nije na nama da to preispitujemo i sudimo. Ne kažem da je to tako u ovom slučaju ali je moguće u nekoj mjeri.

S druge strane i ja sam napisao kako mi se dogodilo da su mi pokušali uvaliti izmišljeni račun. Nekima takav račun nisu ni dostavili ni opomenu pred ovrhu koja je izdana zbog takvog računa a nekima poslali tužbu.
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Staro 13.09.2024., 09:14   #3484
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Meni je vise zapelo u oci koliko na javnom forumu udaras po majci. Imamo svi svoje price, ali zbog vlastitog mentalnog zdravlja bit ce ti lakse ako se malo smiris.
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Staro 13.09.2024., 09:19   #3485
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Sada čitam tu priloženu obavijest o primitku elektroničkog podneska, odvjetnik navodi za pristojbu:
Pristojbena osnovica: 26.82€
Nominalni iznos: 13,27€
Postotak oslobađanja po osnovi korištenja ovog sustava: 50%
Plaćeno: 6,64€

Pa bogati, kako su došlo od 26,82€ na 6,64€? Koliko mene služi matematika to je popust od 50% apliciran dva puta. Znači li to da popust ide na račun korištenja digitalnog sustava? Mater bi trebala uskoro dobiti novu osobnu koja će valjda imati gore čip, teoretski mogu to koristiti da pristupim predmetu. Znam što treba i gdje, samo nisam mogao pristupiti tim predmetima kada je to sve na nju.

To je sudska pristojba tužbe. 13,27 eura. To tužitelj plaća državi.
Ali ako platiš pristojbu odmah prilikom podnošenja tužbe, država ti velikodušno oprašta 50 % iznosa. Plaćeno: 6,64€


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Pitao sam na sudu pa su me gledali kao telad, ima li možda načina da se ti predmeti povežu i sa mnom tako da mogu i ja pristupati njima preko sustava te podnositi podneske digitalno?

majka ti može dati punomoć, da postaneš opunomoćenik na njezinom e pretincu.
Kako se to radi ne znam, jer mi koristimo drugi sustav (e-komunikaciju ) za to.
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Staro 13.09.2024., 09:23   #3486
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Zastare za režije su godinu dana, pa ako dobiješ da nije plaćeno se pozoveš na zastaru. Za pričuvu stana su 3 godine.

Pa tko bi čuvao potvrde o plaćanju toliko godina? Nije dosta da imaš listić režije već ako plaćaš mbankingom moraš za svaki račun spremiti potvrdu o plaćanju, jedino ako ideš u banku pa ti ispis svih plaćanja izdaju.
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Staro 13.09.2024., 10:55   #3487
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Zastare za režije su godinu dana, pa ako dobiješ da nije plaćeno se pozoveš na zastaru. Za pričuvu stana su 3 godine.
Na zastaru se mozete pozvati/upozoriti iskljucivo kod opomene i to pisanim putem onom tko je uputio opomenu ( operater, biljeznik, advokat itd...) a kod ovrhe od strane onoga tko je uputio prijedlog za ovrhu, tom subjektu treba opet pisanim putem poslat prigovor, zalbu u xy odredjenom zakonskom roku i pozvati se na zastaru.

Sud sam po sebi kod ovrhe uopce ne gleda niti ga zanima zastara osim ako se sam duznik nije pozvao na istu!

Konkretno, dobili ste rijesenje o ovrsi a da uopce prije nije bilo neke opomene i slicno, ako u roku nazancenom u samom ovrsnom rijesenju ne podnesete zalbu/prigovor prema sudu ili biljezniku/advokatu i ne pozovete se na zastaru, ovrsno rijesenje ce postati pravomocno i ide na prislinu naplatu.
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Staro 13.09.2024., 16:24   #3488
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...a svi znamo koliko stare osobe mogu biti teške, naporne i nemoguće.....
Ali...... radi se o majci, ne nekoj tetki od strica...
Svi znamo koliko djeca mogu biti teška, naporna i nemoguća, pa ipak nas je majka podigla na noge... 😃
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Ja ću kao roditelj reći da su si ljudi sami krivi ako su im djeca takva. Ali to je neka druga tema…
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To je sudska pristojba tužbe. 13,27 eura. To tužitelj plaća državi.
Ali ako platiš pristojbu odmah prilikom podnošenja tužbe, država ti velikodušno oprašta 50 % iznosa. Plaćeno: 6,64€.
A što je onda onaj spomenuti puni iznos od 26€? Zanimljivo je da za tužbu dobiju popust, a ako predaješ prigovor na ovrhu onda ide 4x veći iznos. Kako to!?

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Konkretno, dobili ste rijesenje o ovrsi a da uopce prije nije bilo neke opomene i slicno, ako u roku nazancenom u samom ovrsnom rijesenju ne podnesete zalbu/prigovor prema sudu ili biljezniku/advokatu i ne pozovete se na zastaru, ovrsno rijesenje ce postati pravomocno i ide na prislinu naplatu.
Po meni je to korektno. Podrazumijeva se da priznajes dug dok ga ne osporis. Sve je u ovom našem sistemu naštelovano tako da se ide na štetu onog tko šuti pa su makar konzistentni. Po predlošku tužbe koji smo zaprimili, kao i tog poziva, jasno je da očekuju da će se ljudi većinski oglušiti na njihovo piskaranje, platiti i gurati dalje.
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Ako je u prekršajnom nalogu starom mjesec dana navedeno oduzimanje vozačke dozvole također na mjesec dana, kazna plaćena prije dva tjedna, kako znati od kad do kad teče zabrana i može li se odgoditi? Zvao MUP i neće ništa reći osim gledajte na internetu, a na internetu opet nema ništa (mislim na onaj kutak za vozače i eprekršaj). BTW, nisam ja u pitanju.
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Nepraktičnost vezivanja izvršenja zaštitne mjere uz izvršnost cjelokupne presude, kako se navodi, očituje se i u izglednom „propadanju“ određenog dijela vremena trajanja zaštitne mjere, jer sudovi najčešće ne mogu baš istog trenutka nakon nastupa izvršnosti dostaviti izvršnu osuđujuću odluku policiji radi izvršenja zaštitne mjere, a u nekim situacijama to može biti i više dana (npr. okrivljenik plati kaznu u neradni dan, a zbog neevidentiranja plaćanja neradnim danom, uplata je sudu vidljiva tek u ponedjeljak).
Moja interpretacija: štogod da oni zajebu u ovoj priči bude prekršitelju išlo u džep. Tj. iz njega.
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kazna plaćena prije dva tjedna, kako znati od kad do kad teče zabrana
Od dana kada si platio jer placanjem kazne prihvacas istu tj. ista postaje pravomocna.

Takodjer se vise ne mozes zaliti niti odgoditi tu kaznu jer ponavljam, placanjem priznajes prekrsaj, odrices se zalbe i prekrsajni nalog postaje pravomocan.

Da nisi platio nego uputio zalbu na prekrsajni nalog onda vozacka vazi sve dok nadlezni sud ne donese istu ili drugaciju odluku na koju se opet imas pravo zaliti itd...

Znaci konkretno od dana placanja racunaj mjesec dana i onda se smije voziti sa tom vozackom.

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da jos malo dodatno pojasnim, dobijes prekrsajni nalog i on navodi rok za zalbu, propustas taj rok za zalbu i prekrsajni nalog postaje automatski pravomocan i kazna tece. Platio jos nisi, dakle mos kaznu i "odraditi" a da platio nisi ali onda nastupaju druge komplikacije zbog neplacanja. 2. Dobijes prekrsajni nalog i on navodi rok za zalbu, platis isti dan i rok za zalbu je automatski ponisten, odrekao si se prava zalbe i kazna pocinje teci.

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u ovom slucaju ako je nalog star mjesec dana i ako je zalbeni rok na isti bio kraci od 2 tjedna onda je kazna pocela teci istekom roka za zalbu i bez obzira na kasnije placanje vozacka se smije koristiti mjesec dana od dana kada je istekao rok za zalbu!
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Imam pitanje u vezi placanja kazne za prometni prekrsaj u roku 3 dana, prije 2-3 dana je postar pokusao uruciti ali nije bilo nikog kod kuce, danas sam podigao u posti pa pretpostavljam da se ta tri dana odnose na to kada podignem obavijest?

Obavještavamo Vas da Vi ili osoba koja je upravljala vozilom u trenutku počinjenja prekršaja, sukladno članku 245.
Prekršajnog zakona, za navedeni prekršaj možete platiti novčanu kaznu priloženom uplatnicom u visini polovice
propisanog minimuma ili polovice točno određenog iznosa novčane kazne u roku od tri dana od dana zaprimanja
ove obavijesti, u kojem roku je tada ovoj Policijskoj postaji potrebno dostaviti dokaz o uplati novčane kazne. Za
prekršaj za koji se novčana kazna uplati na opisan način, smatrati će se da je novčana kazna uplaćena u cijelosti, neće se
voditi prekršajni postupak protiv počinitelja, izrečena kazna se neće unositi u prekršajnu evidenciju, a počinitelj prekršaja se
neće smatrati osobom osuđenom za prekršaj.
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Lijepo piše, od dana zaprimanja obavijesti.
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Pise, istina ali poznavajuci nase zakone i gluposti pitam za svaki slucaj.
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Od dana kada si platio jer placanjem kazne prihvacas istu tj. ista postaje pravomocna.

Takodjer se vise ne mozes zaliti niti odgoditi tu kaznu jer ponavljam, placanjem priznajes prekrsaj, odrices se zalbe i prekrsajni nalog postaje pravomocan.

Da nisi platio nego uputio zalbu na prekrsajni nalog onda vozacka vazi sve dok nadlezni sud ne donese istu ili drugaciju odluku na koju se opet imas pravo zaliti itd...

Znaci konkretno od dana placanja racunaj mjesec dana i onda se smije voziti sa tom vozackom.

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da jos malo dodatno pojasnim, dobijes prekrsajni nalog i on navodi rok za zalbu, propustas taj rok za zalbu i prekrsajni nalog postaje automatski pravomocan i kazna tece. Platio jos nisi, dakle mos kaznu i "odraditi" a da platio nisi ali onda nastupaju druge komplikacije zbog neplacanja. 2. Dobijes prekrsajni nalog i on navodi rok za zalbu, platis isti dan i rok za zalbu je automatski ponisten, odrekao si se prava zalbe i kazna pocinje teci.

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u ovom slucaju ako je nalog star mjesec dana i ako je zalbeni rok na isti bio kraci od 2 tjedna onda je kazna pocela teci istekom roka za zalbu i bez obzira na kasnije placanje vozacka se smije koristiti mjesec dana od dana kada je istekao rok za zalbu!
Pa o tome se i radi, što je kazna plaćena izvan roka, inače bi se čovjek već žalio. Osim zabrane upravljanja, trebaju biti i neki negativni bodovi, a toga ničeg nema kad se gleda na eprekršaj ili kutak za vozače. Bili i u MUP-u s potvrdom o plaćanju kazne i ništa, ovi samo kažu čekajte obavijest na netu. To mi je sve skroz neozbiljno, gdje će star čovjek gledati u egrađani pretinac svaki dan, gluposti...

Koja je praksa inače kad kamera snimi prebrzu vožnju? Ide u egrađani, kući u sandučić ili kako? Nisam kažnjavan ne pamtim...
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Ako je protekao rok za žalbu onda je zabrana počela teći nakon isteka. A koji je rok za plaćanje kazne?
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Ja ću kao roditelj reći da su si ljudi sami krivi ako su im djeca takva. Ali to je neka druga tema…
Samo ako ti pod time smatraš i da nisu ni svi roditelji zlatni.
Ima ih koji se baš trude da ih djeca zamrze.
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Ako je protekao rok za žalbu onda je zabrana počela teći nakon isteka. A koji je rok za plaćanje kazne?
Nemam sad uvid u nalog, mislim da je bilo 8 dana za žalbu i 15 dana za plaćanje.
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Svaki dan gledam kutak za vozače i evo danas stavili da zabrana teče od 01.09. do 30.09. Dobro pa ne kasne 25 dana sa dostavom informacija, a čovjek se uredno vozio...

Znači pravilo je da nema pravila. Dan 01.09. nije dan kad je stigao nalog, nije dan isteka žalbe, a niti plaćanja kazne. U MUP-u kad smo bili nitko nema pojma, nema pisane obavijesti poštom niti u pretinac eGrađani, baš ništa.

Pa što se čudim, MUP ne zna otvoriti ni ZIP arhivu.
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Ako misli slati disketom, kako piše, onda nije ni čudo da je format nečitljiv
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dobio sam poziv na sud, u vezi jednog prekršaja

šta će biti, ako ne odem u poštu podignuti taj poziv?

nego jednostavno pustim da se poziv vrat na sud odakle je poslan
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žalio si se pa dobio poziv na sud?

vrlo širok dijapazon prekršaja ima, ako si svjedok, može ti policija doć i uhitit te te dovest na sud, tak da napiši jesi se ti žalio nešto ili šta

ako si se nešto žalio, u interesu ti je ić, ako ne odeš smatraj da si izgubio i ćao
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Staro 25.09.2024., 22:05   #3505
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Generalno ta razna pismena, ako ti ih ne mogu uručiti, objave ih na oglasnoj ploči suda i nakon 15 dana se smatra da si obaviješten. To je lijepa naša nama dala.
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Staro 25.09.2024., 22:59   #3506
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Staro 25.09.2024., 23:53   #3507
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Ma ovo je bila jedna kafanska tuca... Pa... slucajno se nasao u krivo vrijeme na krivom mjestu
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Staro 26.09.2024., 09:59   #3508
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a ignoriranje problema ti neće pomoći.
Oni će jednostavno odrediti sami na temelju optužbe kaznu za tebe.
Ako nisi tamo, sve će ti ovisiti kakve su volje taj dan
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Staro 26.09.2024., 10:13   #3509
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Ma ovo je bila jedna kafanska tuca... Pa... slucajno se nasao u krivo vrijeme na krivom mjestu

Bitno je jesi li stranka u postupku, okrivljenik, ili si samo svjedok.
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Ako si svjedok, i ne dodes na sud, ovisno o tome koliko je sudac nadobudan moze ti se desiti od ništa, pa do toga da te policija privede.
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Staro 26.09.2024., 10:25   #3510
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Ja sam ovaj navedeni, koji je u najnezgodnijoj poziciji od svih drugih ostalih navedenih znaci ukratko, da svakako podignem pismo?
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