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Staro 13.05.2024., 12:20   #1
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Browser za slabiji laptop
Pozdrav ekipa, ima li nekakv light browser za stariji i3, 4GB rama laptop za isključivo gledanje videa u jednom tabu?
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Staro 13.05.2024., 15:40   #2
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Ne govorimo o kruškama i jabukama
Za početak navedi:
- model laptopa
- pune specs
- želiš li išta ulagati u taj lap
- ako da, jeli opcija ubaciti ssd i eventualno još ram - a

U principu aktualni winsi zakolju i aktualne modele a pogotovo starije ako su na hdd - u.
Najbolji rezultat ćeš dobiti ako se ubaci ssd, još rama je dobro ali ne i nužno,
digne se lagani Linux kao Debian LXDE i slično.
U takvom okruženju aktualni Firefox ESR će raditi bez ikakvih problema.
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Staro 13.05.2024., 16:50   #3
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Znači ovako:
Dell Vostro 3558
i3
4GB ram
integrirana grafa
SSD (ugradio naknadno)
ako treba baš detaljnije javi

Ne bi ništa ulagao radije.

Znači na Win10 to vjerojatno neće baš previše dobro raditi?
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Staro 13.05.2024., 16:59   #4
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i3 4th gen?
to je još dosta sposobno, ali neće bit nikad fluidno. browser će ti prodisat sa adblockerom.
instaliraj firefox esr. i ništa drugo. bez antivirusa bez ičega. mada za 10 eura bi ja ipak dodao još keks rama.

that said - imam netbook sa nekim atom z-234523432 procesorom i 2gb rama, i TO još uvijek vrti youtube. uzmem ga na putovanja i kad mi treba nešto ultra lagano.
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Staro 13.05.2024., 17:00   #5
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Problem s Firefox ESR je što mu podrška završava kroz par mjeseci pa bi bolje bilo ići na običnu verziju i noviji OS. Windows7 isto ne podržava normalni FF nego samo ESR verziju.

Ja bih tu stavio Windows10, obavezno napravio debloat (uninstall svog onog MS smeća, isključivanje telemetrije, disable svega u startupu što nije potrebno) i instalirao Firefox sa uBlock Origin, to bi trebalo raditi.
Alternativno skineš PortableApps i onda tamo pod kategorijom Internet ima nekih 5-6 browsera u portable izdanju pa probaš jedan po jedan i vidiš koji daje najbolje rezultate. U Youtube videu klikneš desnom i uključiš "stats for nerds" i vidiš koliko ima dropanih frejmova na kojoj rezi. Tu je dosta 720p pa to postaviš kao default.
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Staro 13.05.2024., 17:35   #6
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Ak ti je to kanta samo za internet pukni gore Linux Mint (XFCE) i Bogu mir.
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Staro 15.05.2024., 12:44   #7
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i3 4th gen?

Nemam pojma, kad ga upalim piše mi za procesor za info nije dostupan, a po serijskom broju na Dell stranici ne izbacuje specke.


Trenutno je gore Win7, da možda to ostavim?
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Staro 15.05.2024., 13:37   #8
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https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

Ako ti dobro radi sa Win 7, ostavi ga.
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Nemam pojma, kad ga upalim piše mi za procesor za info nije dostupan, a po serijskom broju na Dell stranici ne izbacuje specke.


Trenutno je gore Win7, da možda to ostavim?

Meni se na slabijim mašinama Win7 pokazao kao bolji izbor od Linux Minta za vrtiti Youtube i VLC. Na i5gen4 mi Youtube povremeno ima dropanih frejmova na 1080p sa Mintom, dok sa Win7 nema ni jedan.
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A mislim da je onda najbolje ostaviti to, eventualno isto naći neku verziju što je gore kolega spomenuo bez MS smeća i nepotrebnim update-a. Nisam fan Linuxa pa zato i naginjem prema Win7.
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Kakvi su Linuxi uopće kad su u pitanju driveri, znam da sam se ko budala napatio kad sam davno tražio Win7 drivere za ovaj laptop.
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Poanta instalacije Linux - a i je u tome da se odabere verzija sa laganim GUI / desktop - om, gore navedeni LXDE ili sl., ne neki "teški" "šljaštreći" ,,,

Po supportu taj lap (Dell Vostro 3558) ima službeni support za W7 x32/x64, W8.1 x64, W10 x64, Ubuntu 12.04 ....

Ima i3 ali i3-4005U, jedan od onih "uškopljenih"

Za početak možeš dignuti Live verziju odabrane Linux distribucije (to nije instalacija nego samo boot sa cd / dvd / usb - a) i vidiš jeli rade osnovne stvari.

Po komentarima sa neta bolje da instaliraš x32 bit os po izboru.
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Staro 15.05.2024., 16:19   #14
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Browser za slabiji laptop
Sa 4GB RAMa bez adblockera će se vući i sa puno modernijim procesorom na bilo kojem OSu.

RaspiOS x64 (xfce) i Chromium ftw
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Kakvi su Linuxi uopće kad su u pitanju driveri, znam da sam se ko budala napatio kad sam davno tražio Win7 drivere za ovaj laptop.

Ne trebaju ti nikakvi extra driveri. Probaj Live CD -ak radi ok, ak ne - ostavi win7 i bok.
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Staro 15.05.2024., 21:38   #16
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Meni se na slabijim mašinama Win7 pokazao kao bolji izbor od Linux Minta za vrtiti Youtube i VLC.
S bitnom razlikom da koju god ažurnu distribuciju montiraš OS nije obsoletan kao windows 7.

Ovo što kaže tomek je delo od 15 minuta od čega 10 minuta čekaš da se skine ISO, da se kopira na stick, restart i bootanje sa sticka. Ih, puno sam rekao
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Staro 15.05.2024., 22:09   #17
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Nije problem os ni browser nego moderan internet sa stranicama punih dinamički generiranih sadržaja framework na frameworku na frameworku.
Ako želiš brz browser samo isključi Javascript i gledaj kako leti i brzo učitava stranice ali i kako su te stranice sada potpuno neupotrebljive.
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S bitnom razlikom da koju god ažurnu distribuciju montiraš OS nije obsoletan kao windows 7.
Meh, meni OK





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Ovo što kaže tomek je delo od 15 minuta od čega 10 minuta čekaš da se skine ISO, da se kopira na stick, restart i bootanje sa sticka. Ih, puno sam rekao
Ma znam, za moderniji hardver to radi super, ali na starijem hardveru nove distribucije znaju biti spore. Pa ti trebaju starije, a onda si opet u unsupported teritoriju pa ako moraš birati između dva obsolete OSa rađe uzmeš onaj koji ti normalnije vrti stvari za koje ti treba.
A i media player koji je iza NATa i vrti VLC i YouTube i nema baš neki značajan attack surface.
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Staro 15.05.2024., 23:31   #19
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Nedavno kada sam na C2Q mašini montirao par modernih distribucija moram kazati kako je sve odlično radilo. Dok na Windows 7 je i browser problematičan a uz to su počele i razne druge aplikacije otkačivati support,što iz tehničkih što iz drugih razloga (npr. R* zato što su mučka djubrad)

A bogami su me i neki od uređaja (wifi adapter) baš dobrahno namučili na sedmici, dok je pod linuxom sve radilo bez dodatnih radnji. Što kažu, YMMV. Doduše, problem s tim driverom je bio što Asus nije omogućio nekakav normalan download, odnosno možda da je i bilo negdje onomad ali ga kasnije nisam mogao više naći. Da bih onda negdje iskopao stari backup pa to intalirao.
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Staro 15.05.2024., 23:42   #20
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A eto, koristio sam Mint neko vrijeme i zamijenio ga sedmicom radi performansi na PCu koji mi je spojen na TV (i7-4590T sa 16GB i SSDom). Probao sam i Debian12 u istoj ulozi sa otprilike istim rezultatom kao Mint. Ali OK, možda neke druge distre imaju bolje performanse, samo trebalo bi onda vidjeti koje su to točno. Za mjerenje performansi YouTubea je IMHO najbolje uključiti stats for nerds i pratiti dropa li frejmove i koliko.

Za stariji hw će vjerojatno najveći problem (uskoro) ispasti browser, jer Firefox uskoro ukida ESR verziju što znači da Win7/Win8 ostaje bez njega, a i neke Linux distribucije koje se oslanjaju na njega.


BTW, za drivere sam našao zgodan program kad treba upogoniti staru kantu sa Win7 ili Win8.1, DriverEasy Free, skenira drivere i ponudi download, za starije platforme nađe doslovno sve drivere i to su skoro svi Microsoft signed. Onda se instaliraju sa dpinst programom od Microsofta. Mana je što je free verzija namjerno usporena pa skidanje npr. grafičkog drivera traje i više od sat vremena, one manje od par MB skine dosta brzo.
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Staro 16.05.2024., 20:32   #21
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Sveusrdno se nadam da su vremena instaliranja sedmice iza mene
Dobar je bio taj OS, dugo godina je dobro služio ali vrijeme je da se krene dalje.
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Ako bi htio nadograditi ram, kako znam koji taj so-dim ide u moj laptop?
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DDR3L. Što se tiče proizvođača moglo bi biti čupavo.

https://www.dell.com/community/en/co...ccf8a8deb20a99
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Trenutno sam u procesu instalacije Antix-a na ovaj laptop pa ako tko ima što protiv neka piše sad ili zauvijek šuti

Mama me podsjetila na ovo da joj nikad nisam sredio laptop pa se uhvatio toga danas, proguglao sve i svašta što ste tu preporučili oko Linuxa (odlučio sam se na kraju za Linux) i nekako sam na netu naletio na najviše preporuka za ovu verziju Linuxa pa eto, idem probati.

Edit: Instalacija Antix-a mi je bila komplicirana pa sam trenutno u procesu setupiranja Mint (XFCE) kako je kolega gore predložio


Edit2: evo da javim da laptop sad leti. Znači na kraju sam instalirao taj Mint XFCE, Firefox je već bio instaliran, dodao sam samo uBlock Origin i tjt.
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Antix sam instalirao par puta ali to je baš za stara računala. Ako ti mint leti, onda bi antix bio loš izbor, tako da dobro da si odustao.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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