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#3091 | |
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Zakonski nemaju obavezu prihvatit jamstvo. Dobra volja je druga stvar. Ali jos uvijek mi nije jasno zasti ne bi vratio sve na stock i resetirao counter,kad vec knox nije u telefonu. |
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Fresh Juice
Datum registracije: Sep 2007
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Svaka njihova odluka koja je stetnija za korisnika od onih propisanih zakonom je nistetna. Tak da one Samsungove odluke o Knoxu i slicnim padaju u vodu. A sto se tice custom romu, sami europski zakon kaze da vrijedi jamstvo i u samom zakonu je spomenut custom rom. |
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#3093 |
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Samsung mobiteli
Ne moraju prihvatit. Bilo kakva modifikacija koja moze dovesti do kvara uredjaja je krsenje uvjeta jamstva. Custom rom je takva modifikacija. Sds sindrom je nemoguce dokazati,osim ako je original firmware u telefonu. Odnesi na jamstvo bilo kakav custom uredjaj u bilo kojoj zemlji eu pa vidi sam |
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#3094 | |
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Does rooting your device (e.g. an Android phone) and replacing its operating system with something else void your statutory warranty, if you are a consumer? In short: No. Just the fact that you modified or changed the software of your device, is not a sufficient reason to void your statutory warranty. As long as you have bought the device as a consumer in the European Union. * A bit longer: Directive 1999/44/CE dictates1*that any object meeting certain criteria (incl. telephones, computers, routers etc.) that is sold to a consumer2. inside the European Union,*has to carry a warranty*from the seller that the device will meet the quality that you would expect for such a device*for a period of 2 years. A telephone is an example of such a device and is an object that comprises many parts, from the case to the screen to the radio, to a mini-computer, to the battery, to the software that runs it. If any of these parts3*stop working in those 2 years, the seller has to fix or replace them. What is more these repairs should not cost the consumer a single cent — the seller has to cover the expenses (Directive 1999/44/CE, §3). If the seller has any expenses for returning it to the manufacturer, this is not your problem as a consumer. If your device becomes*defective in the first 6 months, it is presumed that the defect was there all along, so you should not need to prove anything. If your device becomes defective*after the first 6 months, but before 2 years run out, you are still covered. The difference is only that if the defect arises now, the seller can claim that the defect was caused by some action that was triggered by non-normal use of the device4. But in order to avoid needing to repair or replace your device, the seller has to prove that your action caused5*the defect. It is generally recognised by courts that unless there is a sign of abuse of the device, the defect is there because the device was faulty from the beginning. That is just common sense, after all. So, we finally come to the question of*rooting, flashing and changing the software. Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware/OS and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software-caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect. There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software — e.g. overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker. Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty. You have to understand that in EU we have a*“statutory warranty”, which is compulsory that the seller must offer by law (Directive 1999/44/CE, §7.1) and a*“voluntary warranty”which the seller or manufacturer can, but does not need to, offer as an additional service to the consumer. Usually the “voluntary warranty” covers a longer period of time or additional accidents not covered by law6. If though the seller, the manufacturer or anyone else offers a “voluntary warranty”, he is bound to it as well! So, even if, by any chance your “voluntary warranty” got voided, by European law, you should still have the 2 year “compulsory warranty” as it is described in the Directive and which is the topic of this article. In case the*seller refuses*your right to repair or replace the device, you can sue him in a civil litigation and can report the incident to the national authority. In many European countries such action does not even require hiring a lawyer and is most of the time ensured by consumers associations. The warranty under this Directive is only applicable inside the European Union and only if you bought the device as a consumer. * EU member states must have by now imported the Directive 1999/44/CE into their national laws. So you should quote also your local law on that topic.*A consumer is a natural person who acts for their own private purposes and not as a professional.*Batteries can be exempt of this and usually hold only 6 months warranty.*E.g. a defect power button could be caused by spreading marmalade in it or hooking it onto a robot that would continuously press the button every second 24/7 — of course that is not normal or intended use.*Note that correlation is not causation — the defect has to be proven to be caused by your action, not just correlate with it.E.g. if a device manufacturer guarantees the phone is water- and shock-proof or a car manufacturer offers 7 years of warranty against rust.* Evo i na mob.hr izaslo neki dan o tome, i ima prevedena direktiva: http://mob.hr/article/?article-id=1382 |
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Prema zakonu u EU proizvođač treba dokazati da je custom rom uzrok kvara. Ako tebi crkne mob,inzenjer ce napisati da je uzrok kvara veca voltaza na procesoru od dopustene. Veca voltaza je zamijenjena originalnom voltazom u modificiranom firmware-u koji je skinut s interneta. Sony i Htc su taj problem rijesili dobrovoljnim unlockanjem bootloadera koji ukida jamstvo (opet kako gdje,recimo u hr znam dosta slucajeva u kojima je jamstvo priznato bez obzira na otkljucan bootloader. Ali imas disclaimer na stranici. Zakoni imaju dosta rupa,jer naravno ne postoji mogucnost da se nesto apsolutno definira kao tvornicki kvar ako uredjaj nije stock. Znam slucaj u vezi galaxayja S3 kupljen u Ljubljani. Imao je custom rom i naravno crko procesor zbog sds-a. Jamstvo nisu priznali zbog custom roma. Covjek se pozalio udruzi za zastitu potrosaca,poslana je inspekcija,predani papiri itd itd itd. Nakon 2 mjeseca potvdeno je odbijanje jamstva. Jedino sto mu je preostalo je odlazak na sud. Bilo je pitanje hice li dobiti parnicu,jer je inpektor rekao da se u slucaju sudjenja angaziraju inzenjeri koji dokazuju jeli kvar uzrokovan modificiranjem moba. Sansa je bila 50:50 da se dokaze ali covjek je odustao radi sudskih troskova u slucaju gubitka parnice. Sve u svemu,covjek je ostao bez moba ,sudjenje je rizik kojeg vjerojatno nitko od nas nece prihvatiti za jedan mobitel ali mozda bi trebao pa da vidimo u praksi jel taj zakon stvarno takav ili nije. Za sada znamo da se taj zakon o npr 24 mjeseci jamstva u slucaju Apple proizvoda uspjesno izbjegava. |
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Fresh Juice
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Izbjegava dosta proizvođača. Nexus ima samo godinu dana recimo. Što se tiče HTC-a i otključavanja bootloadera. Kad se to napravi gubi se garancija na software, a ostaje na hardware. Uglavnom, kako god bilo. Prava imamo, sa ulaskom u EU nešto veća tako da se uvijek treba žaliti i protiviti ako ti odbiju jamstvo zbog nečega. |
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#3098 |
Fresh Juice
Datum registracije: Sep 2007
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Normalno ako možeš jer zbog raznih Knoxeva i sličnih se ne može. Tko zna kako u Europi prolazi Knox |
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#3099 |
Dino Saur
Datum registracije: Jan 2012
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Ako jos uvijek dobro pratim SDS je ono kad ti mob krepa nakon odredenog perioda (sindrom imaju S2,S3...)? Kako oni mogu utvrditi jel na mobu custom ili stock ROM, ako mob ne daje znakove zivota? |
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[CTN]Mr.Ti
Datum registracije: May 2007
Lokacija: Zg, Novi Zg
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Jedna od varijanti je da mozes samo u download mode, lai nemoze bootat, ne prima flash, a u download modu je htio prikazat status: custom cak i ako je bio originalni stock firmware...
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SlimSaber 4.4.2-20140320 2G Battery Doctor (kolko to čudo pomaže nemam pojma, tek sam instalirao da isprobam) Nisam ga baš previše koristio u to vrijeme, al bez obzira sa starom baterijom brijem da nebi ni pola izdržalo. ![]() Citiraj:
SlimSaber 4.4.2-20140320 2G Battery Doctor (kolko to čudo pomaže nemam pojma, tek sam instalirao da isprobam) Nisam ga baš previše koristio u to vrijeme, al bez obzira sa starom baterijom brijem da nebi ni pola izdržalo. ![]() |
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#3106 |
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#3108 |
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Sličnu stvar sam imao sa Desireom. Kako je bio stariji, više vremena mu je trebalo da se napuni. No, ako se trajanje baterije nije smanjilo, nema brige. Ovako i onako za godinu dana i manje ćeš ga ili prodat ili kupit novu bateriju. |
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Datum registracije: Nov 2001
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Meni je maticna crkla na rootanom s2 i sve je rijeseno pod garancijom. Kolega mi je prosli cetvrtak dobio s5, iznenadilo me da su ikonice ogromne, nisam imao s4 za usporedbu, ali cini mi se daleko vece od njega. Mob lijepo radi bar dok je nov nema trzanja nikakvog kao sto se ponekad na s4 dogadalo.
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Mogu li Samsung E1282T Dual SIM puniti sa punjačima od Samsung N7000 i Samsung I8730?
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Zašto ne bi mogao? Mob ionako sam automatski smanjuje struju drugog punjača ako je jača od njegovog defaultnog. Moj S3 Mini traži 0,7A pa ga ja svejedno i bez problema punim punjačem od S3 koji daje 1A.
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Ma znam za smartfonče da to sve lepo funkcioniše, no taj mali Dual SIM drekec košta 175 kuna, pa me zato strah da mu je kratka pamet ugrađena zbog štednje.
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#3113 |
Buying Bitcoin
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Dino Saur
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SlimSaber 4.4.2-20140320 2G Battery Doctor (kolko to čudo pomaže nemam pojma, tek sam instalirao da isprobam) Nisam ga baš previše koristio u to vrijeme, al bez obzira sa starom baterijom brijem da nebi ni pola izdržalo. ![]() |
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Dino Saur
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N4 bi mogao imati fleksibilni, 3-strani ekran http://www.gforgames.com/gadgets/sam...display-42435/
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"Samo vodu ne!"
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Znači li to da će se moći upaliti samo taj zakrivljeni dio display-a? Jer inače baš nema smisla... |
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