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Staro 19.09.2025., 14:26   #511
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I sad zamisli da ideš na sud protiv nekog lokalnog šerifa, a ovaj je preko takvog pajdaša dobio svu tvoju komunikaciju sa svakim u zadnjih par godina. Koliki je ucjenjivački potencijal takve hrpe podataka. Iako nema ništa ilegalno u toj komunikaciji sama činjenica da budala može rastrubiti po gradu neke tvoje privatne stvari i probleme je dovoljan razlog da se nikad ne dopusti prikupljanje i obrada takvih podataka.
AP će reći da je to ne-tema, a svi koji se protive "zaštiti djece" su ne samo sumnjivi, već nisu domoljubi, ni vjernici, tako da će se takvi promptno preispitati u najbližoj policijskoj postaji.
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Staro 19.09.2025., 14:31   #512
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Krajnji cilj nije ganjati masu ljudi zbog toga što su nešto napisali (pošto je to praktički neizvedivo) nego podučiti ljude autocenzuri. Što, opet, u gro prilika vjerojatno neće niti biti provedeno, jer ljude jednostavno nije briga. Dok će oni kojima je to bitno potražiti druge oblike komunikacije.

Hmh, ako malo razmislim o "praktički neizvedivom", što ako u novonormalnom dobijemo AI sudstvo? Slični sistemi već odavna postoje na raznim socijalnim mrežama, tko kaže da i ovo korumpirano, tromo, nepošteno sudstvo ne bi mogli, čak i trebali a možda i morali, zamijeniti sa AI? Dobiješ odmah presudu, nema žalbe, nema čovjeka, nema ničega.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 19.09.2025., 15:03   #513
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I sad zamisli da ideš na sud protiv nekog lokalnog šerifa, a ovaj je preko takvog pajdaša dobio svu tvoju komunikaciju sa svakim u zadnjih par godina. Koliki je ucjenjivački potencijal takve hrpe podataka. Iako nema ništa ilegalno u toj komunikaciji sama činjenica da budala može rastrubiti po gradu neke tvoje privatne stvari i probleme je dovoljan razlog da se nikad ne dopusti prikupljanje i obrada takvih podataka.

Ili postaneš predmetom ucjene: “objavit ćemo ovo tvojem poslodavcu i tvojoj obitelji ako….”

Ili uvedu neke AI provjere na koje će poslodavci biti pretplaćeni pa više neš’ proći niti u jednoj firmi.
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Staro 19.09.2025., 16:50   #514
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Fun fact: tamo negdje početkom stoljeća frenda je obavijestila "neka rodica" koja je radila u MUP-u da mu je telefon pod "prismotrom" zato što je viđen u društvu osobe koja je bila pod "prismotrom" zato što je susjed prijavio policiji da se "nekakvi hašomani" skupljaju kod dotičnog.
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Staro 20.09.2025., 08:17   #515
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Ne brinite vasi podaci su sigurni...

Na S-u ih nema
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Staro 20.09.2025., 09:05   #516
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E da, obavezno na mobitelima uključiti opciju zaključavanja/otključavanja licem ili otiskom prsta
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Staro 20.09.2025., 10:28   #517
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Na S-u ih nema
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Nemaš ti sposobnost kritičkog razmišljanja.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quds_News_Network
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Staro 20.09.2025., 14:48   #518
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Nemaš ti sposobnost kritičkog razmišljanja.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quds_News_Network
Prihvacaju se samo izvori iz zidovskih medija?
Taj profil skoro svaki puta ima tocne informacije, tako da ovu nisam provjeravao, a i sam premijer Izraela je rekao svatko tko ima smartphone drzi u ruci dijelic Izraela, tako je i pocela istraga.

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Ključna promjena odnosi se na članak 67. Općeg poreznog zakona koji uređuje elektroničku obradu podataka. Nova ovlaštenja uključuju kopiranje svih elektroničkih podataka koji izravno ili neizravno utječu na utvrđivanje porezne osnovice, definiciju toliko široku da teoretski može obuhvatiti gotovo sve digitalne informacije. Porezna tijela moći će zahtijevati ključeve za šifriranje i lozinke potrebne za pristup podacima, te popisivati i zaplijeniti računala i drugu opremu na kojoj se nalaze podaci, uključujući kopiranje mrežnih podataka i internetskih podataka. Proširuje se i krug osoba od kojih se mogu tražiti podaci.

Sada to više nisu samo oni koji vode poslovne knjige, već i druge osobe koje raspolažu dokumentima i podacima.

Potpuno novo ovlaštenje dobiva Porezna uprava i kroz izmjenu članka 123. zakona. U slučaju sumnje na porezno kazneno djelo, moći će zatražiti i prikupljati podatke, dokumentaciju i evidencije od drugih nadležnih tijela i društava ovlaštenih za držanje i/ili čuvanje tih podataka.
To praktički znači pristup bankovnim podacima, telekomunikacijskim evidencijama i drugim privatnim informacijama koje drže različita društva.
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odlicno. i ljudima ovo ne smeta?
mene posebno ovaj dio interesira:



"...omogućio bi poreznicima kopiranje čitavih računala, pristup šiframa i lozinkama..."


dali je kod nas vec na snazi, ili je ovo upravo uvod u to, da ako im odbijes dati pass, ides svirat piano dok im nedas.
AFAIK tak je u nekim nama dragim "demokratskim" zemljama vec dugo vremena.
vjerovatno tamo negdje od najn ileven kad je krenuo cijeli "patriotski" pakao.
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Staro 22.09.2025., 09:52   #521
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odlicno. i ljudima ovo ne smeta?
Zašto bi im smetalo? Pa oni nemaju šta skrivati...
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Staro 22.09.2025., 10:04   #522
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da, cuj mene, I forgot
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odlicno. i ljudima ovo ne smeta?
mene posebno ovaj dio interesira:



"...omogućio bi poreznicima kopiranje čitavih računala, pristup šiframa i lozinkama..."


dali je kod nas vec na snazi, ili je ovo upravo uvod u to, da ako im odbijes dati pass, ides svirat piano dok im nedas.
AFAIK tak je u nekim nama dragim "demokratskim" zemljama vec dugo vremena.
vjerovatno tamo negdje od najn ileven kad je krenuo cijeli "patriotski" pakao.

Ne, kod nas ne ideš u zatvor radi toga što nisi dao šifru za pristup.
Moje stajalište je sljedeće, oni mogu zahtjevati, ali ti im nisi dužan dati.
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Sumnjam da se tu radi o ključevima za servise koje jedino ti imaš. Npr. privatni ključ za nekakav crypto novčanik.
Ciljaju prvenstveno na banke, znači banka im da puni pristup tvom računu, svim transakcijama pa onda oni po tome njuškaju. Revolut, paypal, tekući računi, svejedno.
S obzirom da dolazi digitalni euro a gotovina se polako ali sigurno gura u povijest, jednostavno više neće biti niti djelića imovine koju ćeš moć sakriti od dobronamjerne države koja će tim novcem dakako graditi rodilišta, kupovati inkubatore i lijekove za najugroženije.
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Staro 22.09.2025., 11:38   #525
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Ciljaju prvenstveno na banke, znači banka im da puni pristup tvom računu, svim transakcijama pa onda oni po tome njuškaju. Revolut, paypal, tekući računi, svejedno.
Uvid u bankovne račune imaju odavno bez naloga, a uvid u 3rd party servise za plaćanje (PayPal, Revolut i sl.) nisam siguran, mislim da trebaju tražiti uvid nalogom.
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Imaju uvid u iznose koji su stigli na bankovne račune, nemaju uvid u svaku transakciju pojedinačno.
Znači oni znaju da je nekom sjelo 200.000 eura na tekući račun u razdoblju 01.01.-31.12.2024. ali ne znaju od čega se te uplate sastoje.
Onda šalju upite i tako to
Što se Revoluta tiče, to je po zakonodavstvu najobičnija EU banka i tamo sigurno nema sakrivanja. Paypal će isto dati sve što treba, oko toga nema sumnje.
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Sumnjam da se tu radi o ključevima za servise koje jedino ti imaš. Npr. privatni ključ za nekakav crypto novčanik.
Ciljaju prvenstveno na banke, znači banka im da puni pristup tvom računu, svim transakcijama pa onda oni po tome njuškaju. Revolut, paypal, tekući računi, svejedno.

Uvid u žiro i tekuće račune bez naloga ti imaju sigurno zadnjih 4-5 godina, ako ne i više.
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za sve sto je kod nas, bank racune i sl. naravno da imaju, to me ne cudi.


zato BTC i BTC i BTC i nek se hebu.


ali doci ce nakon svega ovoga da si i duzan dati pristupne sifre inace bajbuk, garantiram, jer to im je jedan od najvaznijih alata.
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Kad smo kod dijeljenja podataka svima i svakome tako da nije totalni offtopic, EU, kako mora proizvesti barem dva propisa mjesečno, razmišljaju da proizvedu jedan koji se tiče GDPR-a i kolačića prilikom surfanja, a koji je uveo tehnološku revoluciju 2009. godine.
Znači ne bi se prihvaćali kolačići kod svake web stranice već bi korisnik kakti to imao integrirano u web preglednik čime bi automatski dopuštao sve svakome.

Osobno bih volio, kako je netko predložio, da se umjesto kolačići zovu čevapčići.

https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/...procitaj_jos_d

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Uvid u žiro i tekuće račune bez naloga ti imaju sigurno zadnjih 4-5 godina, ako ne i više.

Napisao sam gore, nemaju uvid u transakcije. Godinama već imaju uvid u promete, to je istina. Na kraju godine banka za svakoga pošalje poreznoj, Pero Perić je u godini 2024. na sve račune koje po OIB-u ima primio ukupno 200.000 EUR-a. Ali Pero po obrascima koje je dostavio PU on ili njegov poslodavac, jadan ima prihode od 25.000 EUR. Onda će Pero primiti pismo gdje će ga PU pozvat da objasni odakle ta razlika od 175.000 EUR.
Oni ne znaju što je to jer nemaju uvid u transakcije, samo znaju koliko je sjelo na račune.
A po ovom novom zakonu mogli bi slobodno njuškati po svemu, banka bi im praktički otvorila račun sa 100% transparentnosti
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PU šalje pismo ako Pero Perić nije na spisku na kojem se nalazi i Ždero Žderić odnosno njegova uža i šira rodbina. Inače, za ćevapčiće dajem +1.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Pratim razvoj digitalnog eura od prvog dana. Gospođa Witlox koja vodi projekt digitalnog eura je bila glavna za međunarodna plaćanja u ING banci za Nizozemsku. Predsjednica ECB-a Lagarde joj od početka daje podršku. Posljednjih pola godine nisam pratio situaciju, ali još od faze istraživanja spominju se dvije kategorije digitalnog eura - za fizičke osobe i za tvrtke, sa različitim limitima, količinom novca koji će osoba moći imati pa nadalje. Uvođenje digitalnog eura će zasigurno biti novi napad na privatnost, ali za smanjenje upotrebe papirnate gotovine će trebati još vremena, minimum dok stare generacije ne izumru i dok se svi sustavi ne povežu bolje. Za većinu ljudi je bitnija praktičnost plaćanja odnosno korištenje debitnih kartica od privatnosti. Mislim da ne treba previše dramatizirati, jer svi ljudi koji skoro svakodnevno plaćaju karticama već praktički koriste 'digitalni euro', a uz to će vrlo lagano prihvatiti i pravi digitalni euro u kasnijoj fazi koja može biti prezentirana tako da se dobiju određene povlastice i prednosti. Mislim da je digitalni euro veći problem za tvrtke nego za fizičke osobe, jer među ostalim ciljevima bitno je pojačati kontrolu onih koji rade sa većim količinama novca. Fizičke osobe u pravilu rade sa manjom količinom novca. Banke će i dalje provoditi KYC/AML, ta obveza se ne prenosi na ECB, koliko znam, za sad. I fiskalizacija 2.0 je korak prema pojačavanju kontrole tvrtki u Hrvatskoj. U Srbiji je ovo već druga ili treća godina da imaju e-Fakture. Bitcoin je nekada bio jako dobro rješenje velikog broja problema koje pojedinac može imati sa financijskim institucijama, i dalje jeste, međutim situacija postaje sve kompleksnija za nesnalažljive.

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Staro 22.09.2025., 23:58   #533
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> jer svi ljudi koji skoro svakodnevno plaćaju karticama već praktički koriste 'digitalni euro'

Ovo je djelomično istina. Sigurno je to da su ljudi zbog minornih beneficija (kao, npr, ne da im se nositi par kovanica u žepu #moderntragedies) spremni na upravo luđačke kompromise.

Međutim, barem su dvije bitne razlike koje gornju izjavu pokapaju. Prvo, "digitalni euro na kartici" (kreditnoj) nije uopće euro, nego kredit/dug kojeg banka pušta u optjecaj i koji nestaje iz optjecaja kada se dug otplati (iznos namiri s računa). Velika većina "novca" u optjecaju danas je zapravo kredit/dug kojeg su banke izdale kao IOU, a sve zahvaljujući "fractional reserve lending" gdje je, prema nekim tumačenjima, "fractional" postalo manje od 1%.

Druga stvar, "pravi" digitalni euro će biti uparen s, većini, neslućenim mogućnostima praćenja kao i programabilnim svojstvima gdje će netko bolji od tebe definirati, prema tvojem percipiranom statusu, na što ti "svoj" novac smiješ trošiti.

Treba također jasno kazati kako će ukidanje gotovine ukinuti i hrpetinu ekonomske aktivnosti koja postoji negdje na margini i predstavlja kakvu takvu mogućnost izmjene dobara i usluga ondje gdje je poslovanje po reguli praktično nemoguće odnosno neisplativo.

Da li je prikladno vrijeme za dramatizaciju ja ne znam, ali sigurno znam da treba jasno kazati što ta ekipa ima u planu i koje su izvjesne posljedice.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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na što ti "svoj" novac smiješ trošiti.
Osim šta novac nikad nije bio "tvoj", samo je u tvom posjedu. Inače je državna imovina...
Tako da, odavno radite za nešto šta niti nije vaše, ali bitno da je "pravo" ropstvo iskorijenjeno
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Pa zato sam i stavio "svoj" u navodne znakove. S bitnom razlikom da jedna količina munide u žepu pruža određene mogućnosti i slobodu u postojećem sistemu. Digitalni euro neće pružati ništa od navedenog.

Ondašnje ropstvo je iskorijenjeno (osim u zemljama kao što je to ratom razorena Libija) i zamijenjeno novim oblikom kakvog ne može raspoznati niti jedan na deset hiljada. Upgrade je potrebovao zamjenu ključnih termina kao što je to "aristokracija" koja je zamijenjena sa "demokracija". Ljudima je dano pravo izbora, isto kao kada se djetetu dadne pravo izbora oko toga želi li jesti grašak ili mrkvu. Što god da odabere, bitno da pojede malo povrća. Što god da mi odaberemo, bitno da jedemo govna.
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Uvijek se mora naći netko tko ima nešto za skrivati, tko je protiv zaštite male dječice, borbe protiv kriminala, pranja novca, medicine, a sve je zapravo zamišljeno za opću dobrobit i malog čovjeka

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Najbolje kad kazu gotovina ostaje, a smanjili su limit na 1000 eura u Europi, a u Nizozemskoj na 300. Europa porucuje kmetovima da nista se ne moze odviti bez posrednika drzave, a recimo u engleskoj vise ne pitaju informativno kad skidas gotovinu u banci, nego im moras dati dokaze i ako nisu zadovoljni stize odbijenica. Isto naravno da zastiti ljude od scamova.
Za sve se drzava brine osim kako upravljati drzavom sa uravnotezenim proracunom.

Treba stiskati, nece se Covid kredit sam otplatiti, nisu jos ni poceli, a tek 800 milijardi za obranu...

Tko vi rucno racunao CO2 kredite, ovako ce biti jednostavnije i lakse.
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A niš, zadruge i robna razmjena, jedna kokoš za dvije pure
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A niš, zadruge i robna razmjena, jedna kokoš za dvije pure
Vratit ce se u opticaj zlatnici i srebrnjaci
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Srećom pa ima boljih rješenja za izmjenu dobara i usluga, u vidu "self issued credit". Jednostavno, lokalno, idiot proof rješenje gdje se može povezati proizvođače i pružatelje usluga sa tržištem a bez uplitanja treće strane.

Naprosto se radi o tome da proizvođač (recimo krumpira) daje u zamjenu za ono što njemu treba IOU na ime proizvedenog (krumpira) koji će se moći zamijeniti za proizvod (krumpir) sa tim i tim datumom odnosno u datom periodu (kada krompir bude vađen vanka).

Na IOU (koji se gdjegdje zove i scrip) se primjenjuje i alternativna vrijednost u lokalnoj valuti ili zlatu, koje se proizvođač obvezuje podmiriti ukoliko nema dovoljno proizvoda. Tada je ime i prezime izdavača garancija vrijednosti papira.

Naravno da ovo ne isključuje mogućnost postojanja mjenjačnica, plaćanja u manjim udjelima nekog skupljeg proizvoda i što god drugo. I naravno da će uvijek biti scammera, ali na lokalnoj razini to je manje izraženo.

Problem sa valutom je što uvijek treća strana izdaje to govno i što se uvijek ali baš uvijek toj trećoj strani ne može vjerovati. Tko tome ne vjeruje, neka prouči povijest. Moć izdavanja valute ja moć koja korumpira apsolutno.
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