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The Exiled 23.04.2024. 22:14

Problemi s Intelovim 13/14gen procesorima (oksidacija, degradacija, nestabilnost...)
 


:kafa::fiju:

The Exiled 07.05.2024. 13:12

Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs. Core i9-14900K [Asus: Intel Baseline Profile] Gaming Benchmark:kafa:
  • Intel asks board partners to set “Intel Baseline” power limits as the default by 31st May

  • The 14th Gen non-K CPUs are nearly 40% slower with Intel’s Baseline profile

  • Intel Core i9-14900KS drops down to 5.1GHz clocks with “Performance” profile, baseline default to result in further loss

Exy 07.05.2024. 17:27

Moram priznati da je 14900K rijetko viđen odron od proca za gayming u odnosu na 7800X3D. Platiš 50% više love, trošiš plus stotinjak wata i za nagradu dobiješ nešto sporiji proc :lol2:

Gemmy 07.05.2024. 17:29

da, za gaming amd je puno bolja opcija

vidjet cemo iducu generaciju ako ce sta promjeniti

The Exiled 07.05.2024. 17:37

Ah, Arrow Lake se čini kao još jedna varijacija na temu s opet skroz novom platformom koja bude aktualna možda kakvih godinu i pol dana u najboljem slučaju.
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Autor Exy (Post 3741539)
Moram priznati da je 14900K rijetko viđen odron od proca za gayming u odnosu na 7800X3D. Platiš 50% više love, trošiš plus stotinjak wata i za nagradu dobiješ nešto sporiji proc :lol2:

Da, gadno bude kad Steve odvrti dodatne testove s novim BIOS-ima koji još više ograničavaju CPU performanse kao odgovor na probleme s nestabilnošću.

ansha 07.05.2024. 18:23

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Autor Exy (Post 3741539)
Moram priznati da je 14900K rijetko viđen odron od proca za gayming u odnosu na 7800X3D. Platiš 50% više love, trošiš plus stotinjak wata i za nagradu dobiješ nešto sporiji proc :lol2:

To samo teska budala moze kupit za gejming... Ko da kupis 7800x3d za rendering...

The Exiled 08.06.2024. 13:15

Intel Power Spec Woes: Partners are angry, silicon degradation & poor communication:kafa:

The Exiled 15.06.2024. 13:27

Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs. Intel Core i9-14900K (Extreme/Performance Profiles) Updated Testing:kafa:

tomek@vz 11.07.2024. 06:26

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Intel has a Pretty Big Problem


Deep dive u poznat problem...

Disco 12.07.2024. 05:23




Piksa 12.07.2024. 09:40

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Autor Disco (Post 3751776)



Long story short pls?

The Exiled 12.07.2024. 09:47

Situacija je gadna, Intel i dalje konkretno šuti, dok se Raptor Lake high-end procesori krše, a svi zajedno su već odradili nekoliko krugova prebacivanje krivnje.:)

Piksa 12.07.2024. 11:50

AMD FTW!

Nemam Raptor Lake, a bome ni u backup rigu nemam Intel.

Ontopic: Na poslu na kompu na kojem sam trenutno mi je i5 14600k. Koristim ga za Autocad, Armcad i Allplan (BIM 3D software za projektiranje). Moram reći da komp super radi, ali taj proc nije high-end.

Frung 12.07.2024. 13:37

Imam Raptor Lake 13700f negdje već 9 mjeseci. Zalockan PL1/PL2 na 150W na Sonic B760M ploči, nemam problema - ni rušenja ni throttla. Nema problema niti na 180W. Nema problema niti defaultno uncapped, ali onda cpu termalno throttla. Hladi ga twin tower ID-Cooling u ne baš bajno provjetrenom Silverstone FT03 matx.

Nisam skidao novi BIOS specifično da mi ne sprčka niš nakon što su ukrcali taj baseline profil.

Kaj se mene tiče, kupil bi opet za tu lovu koju mi je cpu uletio ;)

The Exiled 12.07.2024. 13:40

Core i9-13900(XY) i 14900(XY) su najviše pogođeni, tu i tamo se nađe i pokoji 14700(XY), dok je sve ostalo OK, ali općenito su stvorili situaciju za ove high-end modele.

jucca 12.07.2024. 14:40

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Autor Piksa (Post 3751839)
AMD FTW!



Nemam Raptor Lake, a bome ni u backup rigu nemam Intel.



Ontopic: Na poslu na kompu na kojem sam trenutno mi je i5 14600k. Koristim ga za Autocad, Armcad i Allplan (BIM 3D software za projektiranje). Moram reći da komp super radi, ali taj proc nije high-end.

Znači ipak valja.
BTW, Cemu ove AMD FTW djecje pi#darije u Intel temi?

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Piksa 12.07.2024. 14:44

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Autor jucca (Post 3751883)
Znači ipak valja.
BTW, Cemu ove AMD FTW djecje pi#darije u Intel temi?

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Jer nisam ubio dijete u sebi. :)

The Exiled 12.07.2024. 14:58

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Autor jucca (Post 3751883)
Znači ipak valja.

Core i5-14600K itekak valja, a kaj se ploče tiče, može biti bilo koja solidna, ne moraju se koristiti pretjerano skupe iz samog vrha ponude. Po pitanju aktualnih i sada već višemjesečnih problema koji se događaju s ovim Core i9 modelima, tu je ipak neki malo veći zajeb u pozadini priče, jer neovisno o potrošnji i radnom taktu, sporni procesori se nažalost krše čak i na pločama s W680 čipsetom, do te mjere da ne rade normalno kak god se okrene.
EDIT:
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Intel is selling defective 13-14th Gen CPUs:kafa:
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My team at Alderon Games, working on the multiplayer dinosaur survival game Path of Titans, has been encountering significant problems with Intel CPU stability. These issues, including crashes, instability, and memory corruption, are confined to the 13th and 14th generation processors. Despite all released microcode, BIOS, and firmware updates, the problem remains unresolved. Over the last 3–4 months, we have observed that CPUs initially working well deteriorate over time, eventually failing. The failure rate we have observed from our own testing is nearly 100%, indicating it's only a matter of time before affected CPUs fail. This issue is gaining attention from news outlets and has been noted by Fortnite and RAD Game Tools, which powers decompression behind Unreal Engine. Users are also receiving misleading error messages about running out of video driver memory, despite having sufficient memory.
  • End Customers: Thousands of crashes on Intel CPUs on 13th and 14th Gen CPUs in our crash reporting tools.
  • Official Dedicated Game Servers: Experiencing constant crashes, taking entire servers down.
  • Development Team: Devs using these CPUs face frequent instability while building and working on the game. It can also cause SSD and memory corruption.
  • Game Server Providers: Hosting community servers with persistent crashing issues.
  • Benchmarking Tools: Decompression and memory tests unrelated to Path of Titans also fail.
For Intel's sake, we hope they recall these CPUs and refund consumers. This post isn't a endorsement of AMD CPUs or any other PC company.
Keep in mind any product can have defects and issues, we just want to let you know where these crashes are coming from and what is going on.

By Matthew Cassells

Founder of Alderon Games


jucca 12.07.2024. 20:11

Da. Žalosno je to sto se dogadja sa i9 serijom. No, srećom, pa mi tu, barem na forumu, nemamo realne potrebe za istim.

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The Exiled 12.07.2024. 20:23

Core i9-13900 ili 14900 modeli se isto ko ovaj moj 7950X mogu iskoristiti za kojekakve čuda tehnike, sve ovisi kaj kome treba (izuzev striktno igranja), ali sad je ova problematika s nestabilnošću postala prevelika zajebancija za krajnje korisnike, jer više ne mogu ništa odraditi kak spada. I povrh toga, kolko imamo prilike vidjeti, Intel se cigani s reklamacijama, a i u trenucima kad ih čak i poštuju, pa daju zamjenske/nove procesore, ne treba dugo da i ti modeli ponovno odu nizbrdo.

Max Rockatansky 13.07.2024. 18:44

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Autor jucca (Post 3751937)
Da. Žalosno je to sto se dogadja sa i9 serijom. No, srećom, pa mi tu, barem na forumu, nemamo realne potrebe za istim.

Ne moraš baš sve trpati u vlastite okvire, srećom ima procesora koji i u ove vruće dane bez problema izdrže višesatni 100% load a isto očekujem i od 9950X idući mjesec :).

The Exiled 14.07.2024. 19:34

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Warframe devs report 80% of game crashes happen on Intel's overclockable Core i9 chips — Core i7 K-series CPUs also have high crash rates:kafa:
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The water for Intel keeps getting hotter amidst ongoing 13th Gen and 14th Gen CPU crashing issues. On July 9, Warframe developers added to the fire by reporting both Warframe player crash statistics and even a developer who was experiencing the same issue. As noted by the Warframe team, the staff member in question wasn't overclocking and was even using a new PC, but even the most basic in-game tasks resulted in hard crashes. These issues aren't exclusive to Warframe or Path of Titans, either. Epic Games has noted that Fortnite, arguably the biggest multiplatform multiplayer game ever, frequently crashes on 13th- and 14th-generation Intel CPUs.
Izvor: Tom's Hardware


Dr. Strange 17.07.2024. 09:01

Šta kaže najveći neutralac framechasers na te probleme?

The Exiled 17.07.2024. 09:13

Tak jasno, krivi su korisnici (AMD i TechTube) koji ne znaju podesiti sve postavke kak spada.:):D

Dr. Strange 17.07.2024. 09:30

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3752542)
Tak jasno, krivi su korisnici (AMD i TechTube) koji ne znaju podesiti sve postavke kak spada.:):D

Ne mogu ni otvoriti link koliko je iritantan i odvratan u karakternom smislu, zaštitno lice plavih hardcore fanova. :puke:

The Exiled 17.07.2024. 09:39

Čak su ga i oni razapeli, posebice u komentarima, jer lik uredno naplaćuje svoje specijalne postavke i opet sad gura "rješenje" za ove probleme, dok istovremeno spušta ljudima da ko im je kriv kaj su kupili CPU koji su kupili. Sve u svemu ~30min raznih kontradiktornih izjava od strane lokalnog stručLJaka.:hitthewal:

maXonja 17.07.2024. 10:07

Ne pratim baš jutjubere i slično, ali sam baš malo bacio oko na tog čejsera kad je već kolega stavio video

Kakav tard, majko mila :lol2:

Tajl3r 17.07.2024. 15:17

Također
Dize on/oni lovu na taj nacin sta si vise kontradiktorniji(ukratko klaun) to vise pogleda/$.
Ko god ima zrno pameti zna i treba bi prepoznati gdje ne treba trosit dragocjeno vrijeme.


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The Exiled 19.07.2024. 09:11

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Shortly after blasting Intel for the high failure rate of the company's recent CPUs, Alderon Games claims laptops running on Raptor Lake chips are no exception. The revelation suggests that the problem is far more widespread than previously known. Company founder Matthew Cassells didn't specify which Intel laptop CPUs were crashing but admitted they failed slightly less often than other form factors. The earliest reports centered on Core i9 and i7 desktop processors, but it now seems no 13th or 14th-gen product is safe.

Matt's response all but nullifies any theories that Raptor Lake instability might be a desktop or LGA1700 socket-specific problem. Alderon Games claimed several days ago that virtually 100% of its Raptor Lake [desktop] chips were crashing, so the fact that Raptor Lake laptop crashing is only "slightly more rare" reveals how truly problematic the issue is on all platforms. Intel has still not provided an "end all be all" fix to rectify Raptor Lake instability.


Disco 19.07.2024. 12:42

Nemoguće....sve za CB bench, CB bench za ništa ;)


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