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kopija 27.07.2019. 04:44
Second coming of Jesus!

Gigi1 27.07.2019. 09:28
Slab je to drugi dolazak, zbog niskih yieldova i niskog takta jedino ih mogu u mobilo tržište pakirati, i to do max 4 jezgre.

Amd ce i na mobilnom podrucju imati superiorniji oroizvod kroz 9/10mj.kad puste 7nm ryzene, samo je pitanje koliko dugo ih mogu intelove plave kuverte holdati kod oem-ova.

Manuel Calavera 27.07.2019. 13:33
Pa i piše da su "mobilne" verzije

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to reach the market inside mobile PCs by the holiday season.
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coming to market with 9W, 15W, and 28W TDP variants.

The Exiled 30.07.2019. 20:34
Examining Intel's Ice Lake Processors: Taking a Bite of the Sunny Cove Microarchitecture:fiju:
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Intel’s big statement is that Sunny Cove, a 2019 product, offers 18% more instructions per clock against Skylake, a 2015 product. First is the 18% increase over four years – that’s the equivalent to a 4.2% compound annual growth rate.
If we compare Ice Lake to Whiskey Lake, we see only a +3.5% increase in single threaded performance. For a generation-on-generation increase, that’s even lower than the four-year CAGR from Skylake.
https://i.postimg.cc/k464zhpZ/Intel.png
Izvor: AnandTech
Sva sreća da Ian Cutress ima doktorat, jer za ovaj Intelov čušpajz ništa manje ne dolazi u obzir.

Ne da su se zakomplicirali do te mjere da vrlo vjerojatno ni sami ne kuže kaj točno namjeravaju plasirati na tržište, nego ovo dragi Isus Bog ne poveže u smislenu cjelinu.

U današnjoj TL;DR epizodi - nVidia ih ne *ebe ni 5%.:):D

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Intel's Xeon Cascade Lake vs. nVidia Turing: An Analysis in AI
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Autor The Exiled (Post 3254269)
Kaj se tiče Intelovih GPU planova, sudeći po ex-AMD/ATi/RTG ekipi koja se okupila oko tog projekta - i taj dio priče bi se mogel odigrati slično ko i CPU verzija. U prijevodu, Intel GPU bi sasvim lako mogel jako sličiti sadašnjim Vega i MI60 karticama, samo naravno Intelov marketing će to (kao i za procesore) zapakirati i prezentirati kao njihovu ideju i nešto što se dosad nije moglo ni zamisliti. I tu se vraćamo na ono kaj sam u ovakvim osvrtima već nekoliko puta napomenul - nVidia.:) Kaj god da Intel prezentira kao svoj GPU, nVidia će promptno rastaviti na sastavne dijelove i prije nego krene prva narudžba. Naravno, pod uvjetom da Intel GPU uopće bude u rangu s Quadro i Tesla modelima. U suprotnome će se Jen-Hsun samo nasmijati i odmahnuti rukom.
:chears:

kopija 31.07.2019. 14:01
Znači Intel 10nm: manja potrošnja, niži clockovi.
Ajd, barem budemo na 1080p igrali igrice :)

Manuel Calavera 31.07.2019. 14:20
Neće se znati što je sa clockovima na desktop 10nm do samog izlaska (2021 god. prema roadmapu ako se ne varam).

Jer ovo što izlazi na laptopu prije toga nam ne može pokazati maximume nodea, a vjerojatno dobro skalira clock i voltaža na nižim clockovima

Manuel Calavera 01.08.2019. 17:25
Intel 10th gen Ice Lake performance preview


Benčmarci krenu oko 3:40


Što se tiče cpu strane - tresla se brda rodio se miš, "trading blows" sa whiskey lakeom, barem dok gpu i quicksync ne dođu na red, onda nova gpu pomete (oko duplo jača od dosadašnjih igpu, više nego duplo u sintetici, manje od duplog u gamingu), također i avx512

The Exiled 21.08.2019. 18:22
Intel launches new Comet Lake 10th Gen mobile processors with up to 6 Cores + LPDDR4X memory:kafa:
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Today, Intel is launching more 10th Gen processors. Those processors, however, are not based 10 nanometer Ice Lake but instead what’s essentially another 14 nanometer refresh – with a minor twist. Intel says that over 90 designs are on their way to hitting retail shelves for the holiday season this year. When comparing the two 10th Gen architectures, Intel is positioning Comet Lake above Ice Lake when it comes to productivity tasks. They clock much higher and Intel is offering up to six cores with Comet Lake. Likewise, Ice Lake is positioned slightly below Comet Lake in the product stack with only up to four cores and slightly lower frequencies – albeit on improved Sunny Cove cores – but with a new I/O Thunderbolt 3 subsystem and a fairly powerful integrated graphics. Comet Lake is very much another refresh, building on top of Whiskey Lake U. Intel’s low-power processors for this generation are going to be a mix of both 14nm parts based on their venerable Skylake CPU architecture, as well as 10nm Ice Lake parts incorporating Intel’s new Sunny Cove CPU architecture, with the 14nm Comet Lake parts filling in the gaps that Ice Lake alone can’t meet.
https://i.postimg.cc/XvxRDqLZ/Intel.png

Comet Lake-S with 10 cores and LGA-1200 for early 2020
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After the presentation of the mobile variants aka Comet Lake-U and Comet Lake-Y, more details on the desktop version have surfaced. This is once more the talk of models with up to ten cores, which is likely to be one of the distinguishing feature of the Comet Lake-S processors. The power consumption is listed at 35, 65 and 125W - similar to what we currently see at Coffee Lake-S. Another important innovation is likely to be the platform on which Comet Lake-S will operate. As with the mobile variants, Intel refers to the chipset as one of the 400 series and also the socket is a new: LGA-1200. So, if you want to change to Comet Lake-S, you'll need a new motherboard - but that too had already come out in the past few months. Comet Lake-S is almost entirely based on the Skylake architecture, and accordingly, there will not be much performance leaps in the individual cores. Presumably, Intel will be able to turn something on the clock screw by a continuously improved manufacturing in 14nm - which it should have been. In any case, there are no changes in the number of PCI Express lanes that are made available directly via the processor. Here it stays with 16 PCI Express 3.0 lanes. Also, the memory controller, Intel has apparently not touched, because it is still spoken by dual-channel DDR4-2666. In the case of the mobile variants Comet Lake-U and Comet Lake-Y, however, Intel made changes to the memory controller because the U variants now support LPDDR4-2933, which was not expected in this form.

Cascade Lake-X Core i9 10000X HEDT for LGA-2066 listed - 18 cores, but 48 PCIe lanes
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Of course, everybody knows that Core i9 10000 X-Series is inbound as Intel has been talking about it ever since Computex, but this is the first appearance in a spec page of it. Interesting is that it is noted as a 48 lane PCIe 3.0 CPU, yes 3.0. The current top model Core i9 9980XE has 44 PCIe-lanes for the flagship model. So that's four more lanes from the processor. The 10000 series, with up to 18 cores, is based on Cascade Lake-X, which is a derivative Skylake-X at 14nm process. Thus far Intel has not made clear yet if the new processors are hardened for the recent vulnerabilities. If they are re-using a revamped Skylake-X architecture, that'll probably be the case. Intel will also be bumping up default memory frequency support towards DDR4-2933. The document also mentions that a second m.2 slot works with a 'Core i9 10000 X-Series' processor, meaning. So Intel added four more lanes just for full speed x4 PCIe Gen3 M2 support. You will have noticed the new naming, Intel now is using five digits for their future model numbers much like the comet lake laptop procs announced earlier this week.
Izvor: AnandTech, WikiChip Fuse, Hardwareluxx i Guru3D

Manuel Calavera 24.08.2019. 17:35
Evo ponavlja se glasina i o desktop comet lakeu

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-co...lga1200-socket

I dalje skylake arch i 14nm, samo će postojat i 10 core opcija

I novi socket...

The Exiled 24.08.2019. 17:43
Ono kaj je meni fascinantno je nečija marketinška odluka da je sve deseta generacija i tak jasno, automaCki odmah imaju Core iX-10000 oznaku.:):D 10nm 10th Gen Core iX-10000:goood::chears:

Dottore 24.08.2019. 23:55
Naravno, sve to zbuni oznake.


Отправлено через iPhone

Manuel Calavera 25.08.2019. 08:34
Nebih se iznenadio da ice lake uopće ne dođe na desktop, kao što nije došao ni cannon lake, a bio je izdan na laptop tržište (dok je na desktop izdan refresh kaby). Podsjeća na ovu situaciju

The Exiled 25.08.2019. 14:48
Tak vrlo vjerojatno i bude, kad već sad imaju spremnu novu Skylake iteraciju za mainstream i HEDT segmente, dok je 10nm izdan u mobilnom izdanju reda-radi.

Sn4k3 25.08.2019. 15:54
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Autor Dottore (Post 3331844)
Naravno, sve to zbuni oznake.


Отправлено через iPhone
Zbuni kupce, ne oznake ;)

Manuel Calavera 25.08.2019. 16:15
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Autor The Exiled (Post 3331983)
Tak vrlo vjerojatno i bude, kad već sad imaju spremnu novu Skylake iteraciju za mainstream i HEDT segmente, dok je 10nm izdan u mobilnom izdanju reda-radi.

Vjerojatno 2021 god. na desktopu budu odmah išli na tiger lake, a do tad će gurati ovo što imaju (node i arch)

The Exiled 25.08.2019. 17:17
Da, dok istovremeno za 2021. planiraju 7nm koji bude išel paralelno uz 10nm++, pa bi opet mogla biti repriza sadašnje situacije u kojoj se sve (staro i novo) stavlja pod istu kapu.:)

The Exiled 06.09.2019. 10:03
Intel sourgrapes AMD's creator performance leadership with laughably dubious data:goood:
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Intel as part of its IFA Berlin client-segment presentation resorted to some very juvenile marketing tactics, inviting criticism from noted PC enthusiast Der8auer. Intel scampered to reclaim its market position in the PC gaming space with the announcement of the Core i9-9900KS 8-core processor, which armed with a 5.00 GHz all-core Turbo Boost frequency, is expected to cement the company's gaming performance leadership. The company didn't leave it at that, and went on to attack AMD's creator performance leadership. Der8auer observed something curious about a few slides in particular that Intel used to discredit AMD's high-end desktop processors, relating to its Creator performance as tested in Maxon Cinema 4D. Intel claimed that AMD cannot use CineBench data to represent "real-world" performance as "only 0.22 percent" of users polled by Intel's "Software Improvement Program" respondents use it. And who are these respondents? Close to 11 million _all_ notebook and tablet users, a majority of whom have Software Improvement Program part of OEM bloatware. This, according to Der8auer, is fundamentally dishonest on Intel's part as Maxon 4D is less likely to be used on portable computers, and more likely on premium desktops or HEDTs. You can watch Der8auer's vlog.
Izvor: TechPowerUp

Ovo je tak jasno sasvim slučajno završilo na Internetima, netom prije Ryzen 9 3950X i novih Threadripper modela.:):D

sti 06.09.2019. 10:08
Ovo znači samo jednu stvar : desktop 10nm je jaaako daleko.

The Exiled 06.09.2019. 10:15
Čak je i bolje od "Glued-together" eskapade.:):D Kaj se desktop 10nm dijelova tiče - ode voz taman u vrijeme kad je prolazila baba s kolačima.:chears:

Manuel Calavera 06.09.2019. 10:26
Iz takvih stvari je očito da su u Intelu nervozni. Prvo je zen "glued together" pa onda i oni najave takvu arhitekturu za par godina kad nadođu, zatim kao dio marketinške kampanje za serverske procesore spominju gaming :suicide: pa sad izvlače statistiku od mobilnih korisnika i šikaniraju taj cinebench, a prije ryzena je bio glavni benchmark, mjerilo za sve...

The Exiled 06.09.2019. 10:42
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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3335415)
Iz takvih stvari je očito da su u Intelu nervozni. Prvo je zen "glued together" pa onda i oni najave takvu arhitekturu za par godina kad nadođu, zatim kao dio marketinške kampanje za serverske procesore spominju gaming :suicide: pa sad izvlače statistiku od mobilnih korisnika i šikaniraju taj cinebench, a prije ryzena je bio glavni benchmark, mjerilo za sve...
Ryan Shrout i sva sila friško zaposlenih novinara/recenzenata su si stvarno dali truda s ovim materijalom.:kafa: Potez očajnika je blago rečeno za to kaj rade i čim se bave. Fino su se prodali.

Tajl3r 06.09.2019. 12:22
Pogotovo taj bivsi pc perspektovac koji je i tada u isto vrijeme radio za Intel sa strane sad je indoktriniran 100%,cak mi je i drago da se maka od pcp...jer ja sadasnja ekipa za poslusat/pogledat/iscitat sasvim ok.

Sent from my Redmi Note 5 using Tapatalk

The Exiled 06.09.2019. 21:11
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Real World Performance@IFA …without compromise
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Today at IFA we held an event for attending members of the media and analyst community on a topic that’s very near and dear to our heart — Real World Performance. We’ve been holding these events for a few months now beginning at Computex and then at E3, and we’ve learned a lot along the way. Desktop has and will continue to be a core focus for Intel, and we’re excited to release the 9900KS next month and share some updated perspective on performance-per-dollar for our X-series. We are proud of the technologies and products we build, and despite some competitor solutions that the community is questioning, the Core i9–9900K and Core i9–9900KS are TRUE 5.0 GHz processors. Intel has dramatic changes coming next month for the X-series and HEDT (high-end desktop market) line as well. The new family of products code-named Cascade Lake-X will offer up to 2x the performance per dollar of the previous generation. Though it is too early to talk about the specifics of how we are accomplishing this, you will see soon enough our commitment to the X-series and W-series families across Intel. Today marks yet another step in Intel’s journey to showcase the benefits and need for the industry to think about Real World Performance when evaluating hardware and platforms across a spectrum of options.
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  • Demo Productivity: Microsoft Office 365 saving PowerPoint file to PDF. Based on performance comparing Dell XPS 13 Configuration: Processor Intel® Core™ i3-1005G1, 2C/4T

  • Adobe 4K playback: Adobe Premiere Pro, v13.1, Video 4K HDR 10-bit playback. Based on performance comparing Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 Configuration: Processor: Intel® Core™ i7-1065G7, 4C/8T

  • Adobe Premiere Pro: v13.1, Export of 4K UHD HEVC (H.265) video. Based on performance comparing ASUS ZenBook Configuration: Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-10210U, 4C/8T

  • Halo The Master Chief Collection-beta: Halo The Master Chief Collection -beta, "Reach" gameplay. Based on performance comparing Razer Blade Stealth 13 Configuration: Processor: Intel® Core™ i7-1065G7, 4C/8T

  • Topaz Labs Gigapixel AI: Gigapixel AI v4.4.0; Image upscaling app using AI software; Lenovo Yoga S940, Processor: Intel® Core™ i7-1065G7, 4C/8T
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I continue to believe that using Cinebench or any other rendering application to measure performance on platforms where ray-traced rendering applications are not typically run is a disservice to the reader and consumer. I consider this especially true when the weighting and value of those results is exaggerated. Going forward I think it is fair to stop using the phrase “real world” on the slides when having this discussion about Cinebench. The ray tracing workload that it measures is indeed used in a real application and is not a synthetic test. My intent is not to discredit the Cinebench benchmark, but rather to encourage accurate usage of it for evaluation of processors. Finally, I wanted to apologize to Roman Hartung (Der8auer) as well as the authors quoted from Guru3D and PC Perspective for not personally giving them a heads up on our plan to use their data in our presentation.
Izvor: Ryan Shrout Chief Performance Strategist@Intel + 2019-IFA-Intel-RWPE.pdf
:goood::fiju:

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Intel contradicts itself over claiming Cinema 4D is not an important workload
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At the 9900K launch last fall, the message was all about gaming. It’s hard to forget the Principled Technologies debacle that happened around that time, but if you do forget, here’s a reminder. It’s odd, then, that gaming was the focus at that time, but today, it seems to be about Microsoft Excel, and other mundane tests run through BAPCo SYSmark (which the company seemingly laid low on at this event). Intel reached out to offer its thoughts and corrections. The company says that it has nothing against Maxon’s Cinema 4D or its standalone Cinebench benchmark. It does believe, though, that too many people are relying on it for an overall view of processor performance. At Intel’s IFA briefing, Intel’s focus on C4D/CB performance revolved entirely around notebooks, not desktops. Our overall take hasn’t changed. After AMD released higher core-count CPUs, Intel began to reduce the importance of Cinebench, despite having touted its own scores many times before. That to us feels like too much of a coincidence. We think Intel should focus on its own strengths instead of downplaying the importance of a real-world, realistic benchmark
Izvor: Techgage

Manuel Calavera 19.09.2019. 13:23
Intel Core i9-9900KS 5.0 GHz Flagship CPU TDP Detailed – 127W at Base Frequency, Higher When Hitting Boost Across All Cores


Intel’s Core i9-10900X 10 Core / 20 Thread CPU Benchmarks Leaked

Omega 3 19.09.2019. 21:28
Bit će to prave grijalice, polako dolaze hladnija vremena pa je tajming odličan :goood:.

Amd_Shill 20.09.2019. 16:01
127w.
Znaci preko 200w realno.

Koje nevjerojatno govance od proca na 14+++++++++++++nm

9900ks (keep spending)

Ocito do 2021. Intel nema apsolutno nista za ponudit osim ovih refresha.

Manuel Calavera 20.09.2019. 16:08
Kod FX 93xx ti nije nije smetalo 200w+ i 5ghz :D

Ovaj ako ništa barem ima performanse, mada totalno neisplativ cpu i launch koji razotkriva slabost intela u nepostojanju nove arhitekture i nodea godinama. Uključujući i taj casade lake

Amd_Shill 20.09.2019. 16:24
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Kod FX 93xx ti nije nije smetalo 200w+ i 5ghz :D

Ovaj ako ništa barem ima performanse, mada totalno neisplativ cpu i launch koji razotkriva slabost intela u nepostojanju nove arhitekture i nodea godinama. Uključujući i taj casade lake
Samo si taj FX dobijao za siću.

Nemoj me krivo shvatit,meni je gušt kako Intel drži cijene i da ima ekipe koja ce to kupit.

Gejmace i grijace se u hladnim zimskim mjesecima sa Intel Supernovom.

Brko 20.09.2019. 16:38
E, uspoređivat FX9xxx Višeru sa ovim Intelom nemojte ni u šali. Core 2 Quadare na 4.3GHz su bolji procovi od tog nabrijanog polkilovatnog AMDovog smeća zbog kojeg još i kaznu moraju platit, ko da taj proc nije bio kazna dovoljna AMDu za ugled.

Ovom lntelu se može oprostiti i 200W i grijanje stana jer sa tih 5GHz će ispuniti sve želje i zahtjeve hard core i high end gamera.

Manuel Calavera 20.09.2019. 17:38
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Samo si taj FX dobijao za siću.

Pa i ne baš, jer koliko se ja sjećam košta je preko 2000kn, dok si osnovni model (fx 8300) mogao imati za oko 1000kn. Dakle duplo više za isti cpu koji je overclockiran i bolje binan, katastrofalan value je bio. Pogotovo što su za te novce išle i i7-ice... FX 8300 i 8320 je bio OK za 1000kn kao alternativa i3-icama i čak i entry lockanim i5-icama. Sve iznad toga je bila katastrofa od valuea


Da ne budem skroz offtopic, što se tiče efikasnosti intela, ja prvi nebi upirao u nešto veću potrošnju jednog proizvoda naspram drugog, pogotovo ako ima nekog valuea u opciji koja više troši, kao što nisam u vrijeme FX 8300 i i5 4440, odnosno R9 390 vs gtx 970, no u ovom slučaju razlika postaje lagano već brutalna da je vrijedna spomena. Recimo i9 9900K u mnogim multi benčevima ima cca podjednake performanse kao R7 3700X uz cca duplo veću potrošnju. Uz to je debelo skuplji i na uskoro EOL socketu + bez upgrade patha. Znači value je krajnje krajnje dvojben, čak i za high end gamere

Mladenxy 20.09.2019. 23:08
High end gameri će dobiti tj. već su dobili to isto sa i7 9700k 5.0 ghza za manje novaca. i9 9900KS je samo Intel marketing ako su gameri u pitanju.

Amd_Shill 21.09.2019. 10:52
Vidim da neki 5ghz shvacaju zdeavo za gptovo.

The Exiled 02.10.2019. 08:31
Intel's Cascade Lake-X CPU for High-End Desktops: 18 cores for Under $1000:kafa:
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Similar to the way Intel's Cascade Lake based Xeon Scalable processors are a further revision of their Skylake Xeons, offering clock speed increases and security fixes in hardware, the new HEDT processors will grant higher frequencies, more memory capacity, and better protection against side-channel attacks. The key numbers however are the big drop in Intel's pricing: Intel will be releasing its 18-core part, the Core i9-10980XE, for under $1000. All the CPUs will support 256GB of quad-channel memory (up from 128GB), and have 48 PCIe 3.0 lanes (up from 44). Memory speed support is listed as DDR4-2933 for 1 DIMM per channel, and DDR4-2666 for 2 DIMMs per channel. All these CPUs have a TDP of 165W, which Intel states will help the CPUs to turbo longer under Intel's recommended settings (as we know, consumer motherboard manufacturers like to ignore these anyway). All these CPUs are supported in X299 motherboards.
https://i.postimg.cc/CLsJx86V/Intel.png
Izvor: AnandTech

sti 02.10.2019. 08:42
Skoro 100% redukcija cijene u jednoj generaciji, postavlja se pitanje koliko monstruozne marže je Intel imao u hedt segmentu.

Drugo pitanje je što napraviti sa neprodanom zalihom 9.generacije? Na wccftech su ponudili neke špekulacije, ali gotovo sigurno je da se Intel neće miješati već će pustiti da trgovci podnesu sav gubitak.

The Exiled 02.10.2019. 19:59
Šou čisti...:goood:
#plitakpotokavodaduboka:D:)

I dvije godine nakon prve Ryzen + Threadripper generacije, nažalost Intel i dalje nema jasno definiran plan.

Sinac 03.10.2019. 12:44
Generalni zaključak je da će Intel imati svoje kupce kako god okrenuli. Ljudi ne gledaju samo best-buy, neki korisnici kupuju računala za poslovnu upotrebu u točno određenoj aplikaciji i ako je Intel bolji onda AMD nema što radit u njegovom računalu.
Svi se slažemo da su cijene Intela prenapuhane i da generalno nemaju ništa trenutno novo za ponudit, ni u desktop, ni u HEDT niti u serverskoj domeni u vezi procesora ali će neki ipak radije platit više da imaju out-of-the-box konfiguraciju koja neće imati probleme s memorijom, kojoj performanse neće ovisiti o verziji BIOS-a ili podešenjima power opcija unutar Windowsa itd.

Brko 03.10.2019. 13:03
Sve jasno. Imati će i dalje kupaca baš po tim kriterijima.
Samo je pitanje hoće li Intel biti zadovoljan brojkom tih kupaca tj količinom prodanih procesora koja god ona bude.

2 godine nisu omirisali AMD i pravili se kao da se ništa u svijetu CPUova nije dogodilo. A zadnja 3-4 mjeseca puna usta singlekor gejming performansi i gameking pridjeva.

Konkurencija je zdrava. Bilo bi dobro da neš konačno naprave nakon par godina. Postaju ko UbiSoft, naj-eco-friendly firma na svijetu, sve živo recikliraju do besvjesti.

Sinac 03.10.2019. 16:29
Je, sad su im najave već postale pomalo tragikomične, novi procesori u starom proizvodnom procesu, potrošnja ko da imaš rusku podmornicu i cijena ko da imaš Space Shuttle.

Mladenxy 03.10.2019. 16:50
Ja sam postao takav razmaženi kupac kojem se više neda ulaziti u bios, želi jeftino, brzo i kvalitetno. Hebiga, ostario i neda mi se više zajebavati sa hardverom. Sklopi, instaliraj i vozi.

Sinac 03.10.2019. 20:30
Ima nas više takvih, jedino neki žele zvijer od mašine. :CoolRamb:


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