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Silvio 30.07.2024. 11:03

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Autor Dottore (Post 3754655)
Intel je predugo šutio probleme 13th i tek još 14th. Mene baš zanima koliko će preko biosa srediti microcode i koliko će bitno utjecati na preformanse. Dovoljno za reklamu buduće generacije 15th da prikažu značajan napredak.

Ne vjerujem da će riješiti zamjenom cpu-a dok ne dođe bios update.

Pa bios update koji je smanjio boost i performanse je vec vani.. tj. intel default settings... Techpowerup (gdje je inace intel uvijek bio prvi na ljestvici) ti je napravio retest svih procesora sa najnovijim azuriranjima i intel nije prvi... Ali s obzirom da ljudi i sa tim intel default biosom imaju temp preko 85c u tim nekakvim renderima, mislim da ce jos nekaj morat skombat...

https://twitter.com/9550pro/status/1817925375856697847

jucca 30.07.2024. 16:36

Raptor Lake Degradation Issue (RPLDIE) : FAQ 1.03


Only processors of the 13th and 14th Core generation with actual Raptor Lake die are potentially affected
Processors of the 13th and 14th Core generation, which still use the Alder Lake die, may not be affected
Raptor Lake dies in the desktop have all K/KF/KS models, all Core i7 & i9, the Core i5-14600 /T , as well as those in the B0 stepping (rare) of the smaller models
All HX models have Raptor Lake dies in the notebook, below that it becomes unclear and you have to check for the presence of B0 stepping
can be checked using CPU-Z : an Alder Lake die is displayed as " Revision C0 " (smaller mobile SKUs as " Revision J0 "), a Raptor Lake die as " Revision B0 "
faster processors have a higher chance of actually being affected (Core i7/i9 K/KF/KS models)
According to Intel, mobile processors are not affected, but this remains an open question until a technical justification is available
The starting point of all problems is probably too high CPU voltages, which the CPU itself incorrectly applies
the affected processors degrade due to excessive voltages and over time
Basically, all processors with Raptor Lake die are affected, only the degree of degradation varies from CPU to CPU
The longer the processor runs in this state, the more it deteriorates until one day instabilities occur
the chance of instability with potentially affected processors is low to medium, the majority of users have stable Raptor Lake processors
The instabilities are mainly seen in games when compiling shaders, especially in Unreal Engine titles
A common error message is "Out of video memory trying to allocate a rendering resource"
This problem can be tested for in all UE titles (when compiling shaders), although there is currently no perfect test
As a remedy, Intel recommends its " Intel Default Settings ", the fix for the eTVB bug and the upcoming microcode patch against excessive CPU voltages
all of these fixes are part of newer BIOS updates from motherboard manufacturers, the upcoming microcode patch will be included in this from mid-August
Any degradation of the processor cannot be reversed, the Intel fixes only prevent further degradation
already unstable processors are therefore RMA cases
Processors that are not yet unstable may still have suffered a certain degree of degradation, which reduces their lifespan
Intel wants to provide a tool that can be used to identify processors that are already affected
a recall by Intel is not planned, they probably want to see how well the upcoming microcode patch works and will otherwise replace the affected processors via RMA
It remains unclear how Intel intends to deal with the issue of already degraded but currently still stable processors in the long term
an Intel manufacturing problem ("Oxidation Issue") from March-July 2023 has nothing to do with this (in terms of content) and was already solved in 2023
Sources: primarily Intel statements, but with a lot of reading between the lines

What Raptor Lake users should do now:
1. Check whether there is actually a Raptor Lake die
2. in the case of a Raptor Lake die with existing instabilities = RMA case
3. In the case of a Raptor Lake die without pre-existing instabilities:
3.1. Install the latest BIOS updates that force the "Intel Default Settings" and fix the eTBV bug
3.2. wait for the next BIOS update from mid-August, by means of which Intel wants to correct the excessive voltages
3.3. From this point on, the processor should not degrade further
3.4. Wait for a test tool from Intel, by means of which the actual degree of degradation can be determined

Source, 3DCenter.org

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The Exiled 30.07.2024. 17:00

Jebiga, ali otelo se to totalno izvan Intelove kontrole. Najprije su negirali ikakav problem, tek tu i tamo zahvaćen koji high-end Core i9 model za kaj su krivci bili krajnji korisnici ili nadobudni proizvođači matičnih ploča, nikakvog govora o degradaciji i(li) oksidaciji. Kasnije su ipak na teži način priznali da je bilo problema s oksidacijom tijekom proizvodnje, ali su istovremeno sve Alderon Games RMA procedure okarakterizirali kao ništa strašno, snađite se kako znate i umijete s pustim tisućama zahvaćenih sustava, a taj isti razvojni studio im je u međuvremenu (pored javne objave da kompletno prelaze na šrot AMD) složil najbolju moguću reklamu.

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Game dev adds in-game crash warning for 13th and 14th Gen Intel CPUs — link provides affected owners instructions to mitigate crashes:kafa:
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Alderon Games was one of the first publishers to share the extensive frustration Intel's Raptor Lake instability has caused. Game crashes were so bad that it forced the game development studio to announce it would be putting in-game notifications in its title, Path of Titans, to warn its customers about the problem. When Path of Titans crashes, an error screen dubbed "Problematic CPU Detected" will pop up saying, "The game has crashed. We have detected you have the following CPU: [queue whatever 13th or 14th-gen CPU the user has], This CPU has problems with Unreal Engine 5 games which can result in crashes. Do you want to open a link with information on how to potentially fix these crashes?"

Path of Titans now clearly reveals to gamers the exact problems with Raptor Lake instability. Specifically, it details the CPU's issues in Unreal Engine 5, which has been one of the most sensitive engines to Raptor Lake's instability issues. Alderon Games also points gamers towards a link that can help reduce their instability issues. Alderon Games has been one of the most highly impacted game development studios of Intel's 13th and 14th Gen instability catastrophe. The game publisher is the only company that has reported a virtual 100% crash rate among its Raptor Lake machines. Instability issues have plagued every aspect of its business, from its development PCs to its gaming servers. It also revealed that thousands of customer-owned Raptor Lake gaming PCs have crashed in Path of Titans.
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Izvor: Tom's Hardware

Gemmy 30.07.2024. 17:35

Vjerovatno ima hrpa ljudi koja se ne kuzi u kompove, i kreshaju im se igre ili programi, i vjerovatno nemaju pojma o ovome, niti ce znati dok ne krepa skroz.

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The Exiled 30.07.2024. 17:44

Da, zato su Intelove službene izjave da neće biti opoziva, naišle na tolike negativne reakcije, jer moglo se to i bolje iskomunicirati/odraditi. I onda u dogovoru s Microsoftom i OEM proizvođačima putem Windows Updatea pustiti BIOS/microcode update (po uzoru na Spectre + Meltdown slučajeve) koji koliko-toliko pomaže da CPU ne ode u vječna lovišta, dok bi se zahvaćeni modeli uredno reklamirali/refundirali bez previše pitanja i nadmudrivanja.

jucca 30.07.2024. 19:23

To je jedino logicno Exiled, jer ako to ne naprave, mogli bi potonit skroz.
Vjerujem da nije toliki trosak, tj da ga mogu ladno pdnijeti, i da se moze jos uvijek donekle spasiti reputacija, pa ne kuzim sta cekaju.
Ili je stvar prenapuhana, ili zbilja slijedi odron jednog svjetskog giganta.

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tomek@vz 30.07.2024. 19:40

Meni se vise cini da je postotak skart cipova vrlo visok - zato ni ne nude zamjenu. A da priznaju da su usrali motku - neznam dali bi to ozbiljno moglo ostetiti giganta kao sto je Intel ali...em spusena lova za razvoj i (hm) testing cipova , proizvodnju i sad jos da moraju kesirat lovu korisnicima...to je ogromna lova.

The Exiled 30.07.2024. 19:49

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Autor jucca (Post 3754785)
Ili je stvar prenapuhana, ili zbilja slijedi odron jednog svjetskog giganta.

IMHO cijela situacija nije prenapuhana, ali Intel sve skupa i dalje ne doživljava preozbiljno, jer zahvaćeni su "samo" Raptor Lake modeli. AMD i nVidia su svojevremeno bili razvučeni po sudovima za Bulldozer i GTX 970 lažna oglašavanja, mada su u pitanju bili funkcionalni proizvodi. Intel pak to isto ne može reći za Raptor Lake modele, ali valjda se vode za tim da se stvar stiša, barem dok ne stigne Arrow Lake, a koliko imamo prilike vidjeti - oštećeni krajnji korisnici ne misle biti tiho.
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Autor tomek@vz (Post 3754788)
Meni se vise cini da je postotak skart cipova vrlo visok - zato ni ne nude zamjenu. A da priznaju da su usrali motku - neznam dali bi to ozbiljno moglo ostetiti giganta kao sto je Intel ali...em spusena lova za razvoj i (hm) testing cipova , proizvodnju i sad jos da moraju kesirat lovu korisnicima...to je ogromna lova.

Nažalost, Intel više nije ono kaj je bil, posebice po pitanju financija, ali i dalje se vode za tim da su najbolji u svemu, ispred svih, bez konkurencije, nema nitko bolji i dok je to bila istina do 2016., zadnjih godina sve manje i manje drži vodu. Odmah po izlasku prve Zen generacije su igrali na foru superiorne podrške i stabilnosti, nema razloga da netko kupi AMD, čak i da su bolji, a nisu i tome slične PR spike. I to je ujedno razlog zakaj se sad nakon svih nedaća koje su ih snašle i većinom su sami skrivili - toliki problem priznati problem i napraviti opoziv ravan financijskom samoubojstvu.

tomek@vz 31.07.2024. 21:12

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Intel plans to eliminate thousands of jobs to reduce costs and fund an ambitious effort to rebound from an earnings slump and market share losses. Bloomberg: The workforce reduction may be announced as early as this week, according to people familiar with the company's plans, who asked not to be identified because the information isn't public. Intel, which is scheduled to report second-quarter earnings Thursday, has about 110,000 employees, excluding workers at units that are being spun out.
Chief Executive Officer Pat Gelsinger is spending heavily on research and development aimed at improving Intel's technology and helping it return to prominence in the semiconductor industry. The company's once-dominant position eroded under Gelsinger's predecessors as rivals, such as Advanced Micro Devices, have caught up and taken market share.


The Exiled 31.07.2024. 21:46

1 privitaka
Nadam se da budu u sklopu Q2 2024 financijskog izvješća (između ostalog) objavili da CEO odlazi u mirovinu zbog "osobnih razloga".

Istovremeno se R&D ulaganje dodatno širi na kupnju par paleta osciloskopa za potrebe Buildzoid inženjera.:):D
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Intel class action lawsuit investigation begins for the company's CPU crashing and instability issues:kafa:
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Abington Cole + Ellery, a law firm specializing in class actions and intellectual property, has begun investigating the crashing and instability issues plaguing Intel's 13th- and 14th-Generation Core 'Raptor Lake' processors, with the potential of filing a class action lawsuit on behalf of Intel's customers.
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Wendell walks you through his custom Linux patch for the Intel voltage problem.

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The Exiled 03.08.2024. 07:23

Scumbag Intel: Shady Practices, Terrible Responses, & Failure to Act:kafa:
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Tom's Hardware recenzenti koji u fušu moderiraju Intel subreddit su se nakon GN dokumentarca fino našli prozvani, a bome ni Puget Systems nije prošel puno bolje, posebice, jer su u koordinaciji s Tom's Hardware ekipom brže-bolje složili dedicirani Puget says its Intel CPU failure rate is lower than AMD Ryzen failures članak. Na stranu sad da je Puget Systems Intelov Titanium partner zajedno s vrlo uspješnom ASUS suradnjom, a ko za inat su se obje firme u zadnje vrijeme našle pod povećalom javnosti. Najprije su autor (inače vlasnik firme) orginalnog Puget Systems članka i zaposlenici firme na sve moguće načine izbjegavali direktan odgovor na pitanje što točno podrazumijevaju pod CPU FAIL koji se navodi u članku, jer prema tome ispada kako je AMD puno gori od Intela, samo da bi se nakon čušpajza diljem Interneta i društvenih mreža, ponovno oglasil sam vlasnik firme i razjasnil da u njihovim testiranjima bilo kakva nestabilnost spada pod FAIL. I tak, bilo kakva nestabilnost je onda u grafovima prezentirana kao Puget Systems CPU Failure.
:):D
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Puget Systems chooses only the highest quality manufacturers for the components we use in our PCs. ASUS has consistently proven themselves as an industry leader in performance and reliability. That track record and their excellent support has led us to use ASUS motherboards as the foundation of many of our workstations. By partnering closely with ASUS we are able to provide better, more reliable computers to our customers!
Puget Systems vlasnik se možda i nije trebal aktivno uključiti u peripetije koje su snašle Intel, ali obzirom da prema njihovim riječima (uz AMD) prodaju i popriličan broj Intel mašina, posebice za potrebe Adobe softverskih paketa u kojima se prvenstveno koristi Intel Quick Sync (1 - 2 - 3), čovjek se valjda vodil za time da bude umanjil brigu kupaca i broj popratnih reklamacija, samo da bi napravil kontra efekt i sad mu se inače respektabilna firma razvlači po netu (i kritike se promptno brišu ili blokiraju), jer ispada da naštimavaju CPU FAIL podatke kako god im u datom trenutku najbolje odgovara.
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In addition to his role at Puget Systems, Jon also represents the company on the Intel Board of Advisors, which helps Intel see the real-world application of their products, and how to better serve their users. We aren’t including AMD here to try to deflect from the issues Intel is currently experiencing but rather to put into context why we have not yet adjusted our Intel vs. AMD strategy in our workstations.
U nastavku je sasvim slučajan tijek događaja ... :):D
https://i.postimg.cc/J0nYMpwL/Intel.png
Primjera radi, Core i9-13900K je prema Puget Systems postavkama zapravo bliže Core i7-13700K po pitanju performansi, jer iGPU kroz Quick Sync ionako odrađuje većinu posla za partnerske Adobe alate.
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In most of the workloads we tested, having MultiCore Enhancement (MCE) enabled and the P1/P2 power limits unlocked didn't have much of an impact on either performance or CPU temperatures. The few times where it did cause an impact were highly threaded, CPU heavy, tasks like CineBench and V-Ray CPU rendering, and building lighting in Unreal Engine. In these cases, disabling MCE and locking the P1/P2 power limits to match Intel's official specifications for the Core i9 13900K resulted in around a 10-20% drop in performance. In exchange, however, the CPU temperature dropped by a massive 30-40C. In other words, you can get a significant increase in performance (about the same as going one "model" up in Intel's product line) with these settings in their default configuration, but you pay for it with much higher power draw and CPU temperatures.
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Our testing has found that most content creation applications are not that sensitive to increases in power limits. Photoshop, Lightroom, and Premiere Pro saw no real improvement, while After Effects and DaVinci Resolve saw only marginal ones; the differences were right at the margin of error for this kind of real-world testing. These are the applications that are most likely to end up with a CPU like the Intel 14900K, as they are the applications that it tends to excel in compared to other options. Currently, at Puget Systems, we’ve found that the balance of the factors is such that our computers make more sense targeting the 125W power limit than the 253W. Most of the workstations we sell with an Intel i9 CPU are for applications like Premiere Pro or Photoshop, which will not realize any benefit from the higher power limits but would see higher power draw, thermals, and noise.
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https://i.postimg.cc/gXsXMBMc/Tom-01.png

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The Exiled 06.08.2024. 17:16

Why We Can't Recommend Intel CPUs - Stability Story So Far:kafa:

Disco 06.08.2024. 20:32

Kad razmislim koliko su debelo bili ispred AMD-a....nevjerojatno na što su spali.
I onda AMD krene laganim koracima naprijed sa zenom, a Intel uporno pokazuje svoje rekordne zarade, sada ostali lagano i bez toga. AMD uzima to mrvu po mrvu.
Mislim da Intel nikada nije bio u ovako lošoj poziciji.
Nadam se da se tu neće desiti jedna NOKIA, neprikosnoveni kralj mobitela koji je prvo ubijao Symbianom, a onda ih konkurencija samljela u papar.
Nažalost, ako se tako nešto desi, AMD nema konkurenciju, a onda tek slijedi pravi problem. :(

BinaryJesus 06.08.2024. 20:46

Al ga dramite nepotrebno. U najgorem slučaju Intel prestane koristiti vlastite fabove za najnovije proizvode i prijeđe na TSMC. Naravno to bi popratila velika otpuštanja i pad cijene dionica i to je to.
Krajnji korisnici bi u tom slučaju najviše izgubili jer bi tada i Intel i AMD morali dosta dići cijene jer bi se oboje borili za iste proizvodne kapacitete.

The Exiled 06.08.2024. 20:52

Intel već naveliko koristi TSMC i to godinama, dok su nVidia i AMD u prednosti po pitanju TSMC kapaciteta, cijena dionice je isto tak već godinama u padu zajedno s popriličnim otpuštanjima koja su sad već u trećoj godini zaredom, dok CEO sere kvake na financijskim izvješćima, tak da nije to nikakvo dramljenje, već čista realnost - sjebali su se na sve moguće načine i nemaju nikoga za okriviti osim sebe samih i bajnog vodstva koje si ne može priznati da su zajebali i da je konkurencija u vidu AMD-a, ARM-a, nVidije, Samsunga, TSMC-a, SK Hynixa, Microna, itd. već jedno dulje vrijeme u debeloj prednosti.
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Autor Disco (Post 3755665)
Kad razmislim koliko su debelo bili ispred AMD-a....nevjerojatno na što su spali.
I onda AMD krene laganim koracima naprijed sa zenom, a Intel uporno pokazuje svoje rekordne zarade, sada ostali lagano i bez toga. AMD uzima to mrvu po mrvu.
Mislim da Intel nikada nije bio u ovako lošoj poziciji.
Nadam se da se tu neće desiti jedna NOKIA, neprikosnoveni kralj mobitela koji je prvo ubijao Symbianom, a onda ih konkurencija samljela u papar.
Nažalost, ako se tako nešto desi, AMD nema konkurenciju, a onda tek slijedi pravi problem. :(

E, sad kad si već spomenul Nokiu, sjetil sam se odličnog Nortel dokumentarca, a poveznice s Nokiom i aktualnim Intelovim nedaćama su poprilične, pa kad stigneš, a i ostali koji prate temu - baci(te) pogled.:chears: IMHO država neće dopustiti da Intel završi poput Nokie ili Nortela, ali sad su u goroj situaciji, nego AMD prije 15 godina, jer Intel je imal apsolutno sve prednosti uz nedostatak ikakve konkurencije.
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Nortel Networks Corporation (Nortel), formerly Northern Telecom Limited, was a Canadian multinational telecommunications and data networking equipment manufacturer headquartered in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. At its height, Nortel accounted for more than a third of the total valuation of all companies listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange (TSX), employing 94,500 people worldwide. In the late 1990s, stock market speculators, hoping that Nortel would reap increasingly lucrative profits from the sale of fibre optic network gear, began pushing up the company's share price to unheard-of levels despite the company's repeated failure to turn a profit. In 2009, Nortel filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the United States, triggering a 79% decline in its corporate stock price. The bankruptcy case was the largest in Canadian history and left pensioners, shareholders, and former employees with enormous losses.


The Exiled 09.08.2024. 09:57

Citiraj:

Will PC makers replace your crashing Intel chip? We asked 14 of them:fiju:
Citiraj:

Intel and its partners have decided to roll out the newest microcode patch to address the 14th & 13th Gen instability issues a bit earlier and are now offering new BIOS updates that ship with the latest "0x129" microcode patch. This new patch was expected to ship by mid of August but motherboard makers have decided to be swift and made it available for their Z790 motherboards.


sinkee 09.08.2024. 11:30

da li je za očekivati navalu rabljenih intel cpueva sad na njuškalu :) 13a i 14a generacija mislim?

jucca 09.08.2024. 11:44

Ma nema straja:)

AMD7000 serija po pugetu i dalje ima veći failure rate nego Intel 13 i 14th gen, pa nikom ništa:)
Bar tako kaze ovi:

https://youtu.be/sxsvPdQ2aKk

I ovi:

"High-end computer maker Puget Systems released statistics, according to which Intel 13th and 14th generation processors have a failure rate of just over 2%, while AMD Ryzen 5000 and 7000 systems have a failure rate of over 4%"

https://hi-tech.ua/en/amd-processors...%20over%204%25.



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Disco 09.08.2024. 12:01

Hmmm, ali AMD nije u svim vjestima trenutno.
I AMDovi CPU trenutno nemaju nikakvu grešku u proizvodnji koja će sam CPU degradirati s vremenom i nije pitanje hoće li, nego kada će.
I AMD vj riješava svoje reklamacije jer bi ih netko već razapeo zbog toga.

Eto, par sitnih razlika. :D

U ovom trenu samo netko potpuno neupućen može uzet nešto od 13 i 14 Intela.
Navodno istu grešku ima i slj koji izlazi (AL?)....NAVODNO...mislim da je MLID ili TechJesus to rekao jednom, ne sjećam se.

The Exiled 09.08.2024. 12:06

Puget Systems puno toga stavlja u eter otkad su Intelove financije u ponoru, a vlasnik Puget Systemsa sjedi u Intelovom odboru savjetnika i općenito su od samog početka Intel partner firma, dok im je FAIL procedura za Intel i AMD CPU, takva da se CPU mijenja za bilo kakav problem. Ne radi USB na ploči - CPU FAIL, ne boota se OS - CPU FAIL, jao, pa u realnom vremenu su zajedno s Tom's Hardware par sati nakon GN Intel dokumentarca, odmah imali članak za postotak AMD vs. Intel CPU problema, samo da se koliko-toliko skrene pažnja s Intelovih pizdarija, jer je ovima u Pugetu u direktnom interesu kad prema svojim riječima prodaju više Intel mašina.:)
https://i.postimg.cc/sXX9Nn6N/Puget.png
Jebote, ovo za Intel i Puget Systems makar je sve na ovoj stranici teme, kao u Don't Look Up filmu, ajmo se praviti da nije istina, pa nas neće udariti meteor.

jucca 09.08.2024. 12:25

Moram priznat da me je iznenadila "analiza" pugeta na prvu no sad je jasnije i zasto:/

Sinoc krenuo gledat taj film, pa zaspo nakon 15min:)

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mamutarka 09.08.2024. 13:08

ja i dva frenda imamo svi 13700K, za sad, kucam u drvo, sve je ok, biose nismo apdejtali godinu dana iako ima hrpu novih, nemamo problema pa - dok radi, ne diraj

sinkee 09.08.2024. 13:26

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Autor mamutarka (Post 3756093)
ja i dva frenda imamo svi 13700K, za sad, kucam u drvo, sve je ok, biose nismo apdejtali godinu dana iako ima hrpu novih, nemamo problema pa - dok radi, ne diraj

a kako ljudi kažu, to je ok dok ne krenu problemi sa stabilnošću, tada se možeš oprostit od CPU-a i samo ga uvaljat nekome drugom koji će onda nastavit raubat po ionako potrganom čipu :)
Updejtom biosa bi mogo i sebi (a i poslije nekom drugom) skratiti muke s potencijalnim mačkom u vreći.

Piksa 09.08.2024. 14:06

Ja na poslu imam 14600k od 12/23. Komp radi super po 8+ sati dnevno.
Gore je Win11 sa Autocadom, Armcadom i Allplanom 2024. Nikad ni jedan problem.

mamutarka 09.08.2024. 16:20

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Autor sinkee (Post 3756099)
a kako ljudi kažu, to je ok dok ne krenu problemi sa stabilnošću, tada se možeš oprostit od CPU-a i samo ga uvaljat nekome drugom koji će onda nastavit raubat po ionako potrganom čipu :)
Updejtom biosa bi mogo i sebi (a i poslije nekom drugom) skratiti muke s potencijalnim mačkom u vreći.

jedan mali dio mene, a i mojih frendova, priželjkuje da nam krepa :D, zašto?

zato jer smo zadrti plavci, ko HDZ glasači majkemi, samo intel, e pa nek krepa pa ćemo otić na 7800x3d il šta već tada bude

zvonac 09.08.2024. 18:34

Kolko sam citao nabrzinu najvise je i9 procesora pogodjeno 13/14 gen.

Vozim 13500 on bi trebao bit alder lake, nadam se i dalje veselom radu, kolko sam vidio za moju plocu, noviji bios je vani, a ne sjecam se kad sam napravio vec updejt biosa.

E intel intel, pored problema koje imas, jos ga zadesilo i problemi s naponima na serijama 13/14.

demetrius 09.08.2024. 22:42

I ja sam na 13600k isto za sad bez problema,ja sam ga polovnog kupio tako da je ebay njemac/notebooksbilliger prije imao,možda su novi batchevi pogotovo 13900/14900/k/s defektni.

The Exiled 11.08.2024. 12:18

Testing the intel 0x129 Microcode on the Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X with an i9 14900K:kafa:
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CEP, or Current Excursion Protection, is a function designed to prevent system instability caused by insufficient CPU voltage. However, the impact varies depending on the platform and combinations used, sometimes leading to a performance drop. Enthusiast gamers may choose to disable the CEP function to maximize performance.

The Exiled 06.09.2024. 16:48

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Intel is out of stock of replacement Raptor Lake CPUs:kafa:
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Intel CPU owners planning to request a replacement in response to the recent wave of crashes should consider starting the process as soon as possible. Numerous customer comments indicate that Intel's reserve supplies of 13th and 14th-generation Raptor Lake chips are becoming critically low. Customers ordering replacement 13th and 14th-gen Intel CPUs have started receiving notices from the company that stock is no longer available. Affected users may be without a functioning Raptor Lake processor for at least a month. In early August, Intel launched a replacement program for users experiencing CPU crashes due to a microcode error affecting voltage management. The chipmaker also extended warranties for boxed processors by two years, while OEMs now offer similar guarantees.

Since the beginning of the year, several sources have reported that high-end Raptor Lake chips have experienced extreme failure rates during demanding tasks. Intel released a microcode update to motherboard partners that resolves the issue without significantly impacting performance. Users whose 13th or 14th-generation CPUs haven't yet crashed should check with their motherboard manufacturers for BIOS updates to apply Intel's patch. Unfortunately, the fix cannot repair processors already showing signs of degradation, and they will need to be replaced. However, some unfortunate customers haven't received any replacement chips, potentially leaving them without a functioning CPU for weeks. Requesting a refund is another option, but it may limit users' choices since it only covers the processor.

Purchasing a CPU unaffected by the microcode error that still fits the Raptor Lake motherboard socket might mean downgrading to a low-end model, choosing a variant that doesn't support overclocking, or opting for a 12th-generation Alder Lake chip. On the other hand, switching to an AMD Ryzen CPU or waiting for Intel's upcoming Arrow Lake series would require buying a new motherboard. Intel recently unveiled the Lunar Lake series for laptops and is expected to reveal Arrow Lake later this year. The company claims that neither lineup is affected by the glitch that is causing issues with Raptor Lake chips.
Izvor: TechSpot

Taproot7 07.09.2024. 18:34

Ovo nije porazno već je tragedija da se ovako nešto dogodilo takvom tehnološkom gigantu ali očito da su godine podmićivanja i krajnje neozbiljnog vođenja korporacije i ignoriranja konkurencije dovele do ovoga da na kraju takav gigant ne može odraditi najobičniji RMA. Planirao sam "nadogradnju" na 13700k ili 14600k no kako stvari stoje još će me 13400 neko vrijeme služiti.

stitrek 07.09.2024. 19:39

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Autor Taproot7 (Post 3761159)
Ovo nije porazno već je tragedija da se ovako nešto dogodilo takvom tehnološkom gigantu ali očito da su godine podmićivanja i krajnje neozbiljnog vođenja korporacije i ignoriranja konkurencije dovele do ovoga da na kraju takav gigant ne može odraditi najobičniji RMA. Planirao sam "nadogradnju" na 13700k ili 14600k no kako stvari stoje još će me 13400 neko vrijeme služiti.

Intel je kao državna firma, znaci puno zaposlenih, inertnost i lako cemo filozofija...AMD-u je gorilo pod nogama prije Ryzena, zato su upregnuli sve svoje snage i krenuli "svi za jednog - jedan za sve":D
Sve ide kroz cikluse, probudit ce se i Intel samo nažalost sa gubitcima i dosta otkaza.

Taproot7 08.09.2024. 22:17

u državnim firmama nitko ne dobiva otkaze i novaca se ima koliko treba tako da bih prije rekao da se radi o privatnoj firmi čiji mladi vlasnik pijan od novaca ne zna voditi firmu koju su mu ostavili djed i otac na dobrim nogama a on ne vidi probleme dok mu govna nisu došla do grla. a kad mu su mu govna došla do grla onda brzo prodavaj pamet, dijelove firme i davaj otkaze, bez jasnog plana za bolje sutra.

The Exiled 08.09.2024. 22:31

Da, grdo bude kad država i službeno najavi da moraju spašavati Intel, po uzoru na auto-industriju, a sudeći po svim dosadašnjim poticijama i subvencijama, nisu daleko od toga.

Koliko god je nadobudni direktor Pat "pun ideja za spas firme", poput ukidanja besplatnog voća diljem kampusa:hitthewal:, oni prije njega su započeli ovu lavinu za koju se on pravi da će ih zaobići.

Taproot7 08.09.2024. 22:38

Sjedinjene Američke Države imaju sustav da ne dozvoljavaju monopol jedne kompanije tako da Intel siguno neće propasi ali bi mogli životariti i svesti se na veličinu AMD-a kad rasprodaju srebrninu i raskomadaju korporaciju. Prvo će prodati fabove isto kako je i AMD prodao svoje a onda će vidjeti što i kako dalje. Sumnjam da će prije 2030. godine Intel napraviti išta relevantno. Pogledajte samo kako u server i enterprise segmentu poslovanja nižu fail za failom a to poslovanje nosi više kolača od desktop gaming segmenta i grafičkih arc kartica.

The Exiled 08.09.2024. 22:50

Nema sumnje da bude ih država i dalje držala za ruku, tak da ne odu u totalni bankrot, a fabrike bi već odavno rasprodali da nisu dobili sve one silne milijarde državnog nofca, pa sad moraju koliko god je još moguće, pričati o domaćoj proizvodnji, dok kod TSMC-a upućuju narudžbe. Kaj se AMD-a tiče, zajeb za Intel je da je ta šrot firma u međuvremenu postala veća i uspješnija, nego je ikad bila, a uz to oni više nisu jedina Intelova konkurencija. Tak da Intel sad ima puno više problema i konkurencije, nego u vrijeme kad su plaćali OEM ekipu da ne nude AMD proizvode.

medo 09.09.2024. 08:48

Već treća generacija serverski Intel procesora ne radi na VMWareu zbog sporih/brzih jezgri pa svejedno još uvijek čini se dominiraju tim tržištem.

Intel je puno više od procesora za gejmere.

Ali da, tužno.

The Exiled 09.09.2024. 09:09

Da, u puno toga su oni uključeni, a isto tak je puno toga bez pitanja s godinama automatizmom obnavljano po pitanju ugovora, dokle god nije udarilo u zid, počel je padati tršižni udio, a nekad rekordne zarade su postale nikad veći gubici uz sveopću rasprodaju divizija i infrastrukture. Trenutno pripremaju odvojene Xeon linije koje imaju samo P ili samo E jezgre. VMware se nakon Broadcom preuzimanja također dovel u podjednako nezavidnu situaciju, pa sad nekad vjerni VMware korisnici prelaze na Proxmox i sl. rješenja, dok Veeam priprema i svoju tranziciju.

medo 09.09.2024. 09:59

Problemi s Intelovim 13/14gen procesorima (oksidacija, degradacija, nestabilnost...)
 
Iz svojeg korporativnog iskustva mogu reći da nam je do3.14zdilo čupati kosu nad pomalo lihvarskim licenciranjima s kriptičnim featureima/paketima. Platim jači hardware i sve klapa na Proxmoxu ili Qemu za manje novaca. A onda ti pošalju BSA da ti pregledaju debelo crijevo.

Ali ne može svatko tako.

AMDu kronično fali podrška za developere i neke tehnologije koje Intel ima. Bar u serveraju. Sirove CPU performanse tu nisu dovoljne.

The Exiled 09.09.2024. 10:05

Je, bude i to postepeno sjelo na mjesto. Kod nas, a i kod klijenata je isto s godinama išla promjena sa Xeon na EPYC (posebice Rome, pa Milan), a nakon VMware pizdarija, lagano ide Proxmox ili XCP-ng. Nažalost, Intel je sve svoje nakadašnje utvrde uspjel dovesti u stanje opsade i sad na ovaj ili onaj način moraju obraniti i spasiti ono kaj se može.

The Exiled 26.09.2024. 12:06

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Intel isolates "Raptor Lake" Vmin Shift instability root cause, new microcode update coming:kafa:
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Back in August, Intel started shipping its 0x129 microcode update for 13/14th generation "Raptor Lake" and "Raptor Lake Refresh" processors. This update fixed incorrect voltage requests to the processor that are causing elevated operating voltage. Intel's analysis showed that the root cause of stability problems is voltage levels that are too high during the operation of the processors. These increases in voltage cause degradation that increases the minimum voltage required for stable operation. Intel calls this "Vmin." Today, the company discovered the root cause of this instability issue and informed users that a new microcode patch is underway. As explained by Intel, the Vmin Shift instability problem stems from a clock tree circuit in the IA core. When exposed to high voltage and temperature conditions, this circuit is vulnerable to reliability degradation. Intel's research has shown that these factors can cause a shift in the duty cycle of the clocks, resulting in system instability.

There are four scenarios that can cause Vmin Shift: increased motherboard power delivery, eTVB microcode algorithm running at higher performance operating states even at higher temperatures, microcode SVID algorithm requesting higher voltages at higher frequencies and longer durations, and finally microcode and BIOS requesting elevated core voltages. For motherboard power settings, mitigation is switching back to default settings. For the eTVB issue, the fix is a 0x125 microcode update. The 0x129 patch fixes the SVID algorithm, and the fourth condition, where microcode and BIOS request elevated core voltage, is fixed by the upcoming 0x12B microcode update. Intel is reportedly working with OEMs to start rolling out the 0x12B update with no apparent performance degradation. While the timeframe for shipping this update is unknown, we expect to see it soon. Additionally, Intel once again confirmed that the upcoming "Arrow Lake" CPUs don't have these issues.
Izvor: TechPowerUp


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