PC Ekspert Forum - Vijesti i novosti o Intel procesorima i čipsetima

Quad-core Lunar Lake u 2024./2025. i općenito mobilne arhitekture pripasane za desktop?:kafa: OK, valjda bude nekaj od toga prošlo po planu i programu.

Odinarius

10.11.2022. 21:11

Intel je vječno perspektivan!

demetrius

13.11.2022. 21:44

https://wccftech.com/intel-raptor-la...top-cpu-rumor/

useless refresh,This family will be based on a slightly optimized 10ESF node, allowing the blue team to squeeze 100 or 200 MHz more out of the chips,100-200 mhz bolje ništa.

Black mustang

14.11.2022. 18:21

Pozdrav svima,

Ako netko ima, molimo bih nekoliko informacija za 13th Gen Intel.

Slazem novi komp za 4k video i foto editing ( Premiere Pro, DaVinci, Lightroom i Photoshop ). Zadnje 3 godine sam na AMD 3900X (cim su izasli ) i moram priznati da osim nekih uobicajnih "Early Adopters" musica, nisam imao niti jednog problema i da sve odlicno radi.

Medutim kako svake 3-4 godine mjenjam komp, gledam ove nove INTEL/AMD procesore i cini mi se da nikad nije bilo teze za izabrati.
Na Youtube kanalima i Puget systems stranici svi vise preferiraju Intel za stvari koje ja koristim. I7 13700k mi se najvise cini kao solidan izbor performansi i cijene.

Svi isticu kako I9 i I7 trose jako puno struje pod max opterecenjem, ali nigdje nema nekih testova prosjecne potrosnje struje kod normalnog rada u Premieru, LR i PS-u.
Na samo jednoj starnici sam nasao da pise da u prosjeku novi Intel 13900 i 13700 procesori trose dosta manje struje nego AMD 7950 i 7900 ( max i idle prosjek ).

Zanima me:
1. Ima li netko informacije ili usporedbe prosjecne potrosnje izmedu Intela i AMD-a u gore navedenim aplikacijama
2. Ima li netko tko koristi novi 13700k ili 13900k - kakva je stabilnost cijelog Windows sistema i rad?
3. Hoce li Noctua NH-D15 biti dovoljna ( ne zelim stavljati vodeno hladenje )?

Hvala puno!

The Exiled

14.11.2022. 19:57

Core i7-13700K je odličan izbor za namjenu koji spominješ i ne trebaš se zamarati s potrošnjom, koja iako je nešto viša u usporedbi s novim Ryzen 7000 modelima, zapravo je sasvim OK.:)

Taj procesor je općenito jedan od boljih omjera uloženog i dobivenog novijeg datuma i po pitanju temperature i potrošnje, ne bi trebal imati problema s high-end zračnim coolerom poput Noctue NH-D15.:frend:

Black mustang

15.11.2022. 10:20

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3637650)

Hvala,

I 13900K mi ima premalu razliku u performansama kod rada i radije cu te novce ulozit u extra M.2 prostora.

The Exiled

21.11.2022. 23:13

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Intel Foundry Services Chief Steps Down:kafa:

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Randhir Thakur, the head of Intel's contract chip production unit, has resigned, according to a report from The Register that was confirmed by Intel. He will continue to lead Intel Foundry Services through Q1 2023 to ensure a smooth transition to a new leader. Randhir Thakur, senior vice president and president of Intel Foundry Services, "has decided to pursue other opportunities":):D but will continue to lead the business unit through the first quarter of 2023 to "ensure a smooth transition to a new leader," Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger said in an email to employees Monday that was seen by el Reg.

Izvor: The Register i Tom's Hardware

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TSMC founder confirms Arizona 3nm production plans:fiju:

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TSMC founder and government trade envoy for Taiwan, Morris Chang, has confirmed plans for 3nm chip production at the new TSMC Arizona fab. Chipmaking factory preparations in Arizona appear to be going smoothly for TSMC. Phase one of the fab is almost ready to receive the necessary high-tech equipment for production. On December 6, there will be a so-called ‘tool-in’ ceremony, where the first machines will start to be installed in phase one of the development. TSMC shouldn’t be short of advanced process chip customers in the US. Recently we reported on Apple’s confirmed plans to use TSMC fabbed chips from Arizona. US production runs of TSMC N5, N5P, N4, N4P, and N4X chips are expected to start in 2024. Now we know 3nm family chips will be coming from TSMC Arizona (phase two) in due course.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

demetrius

26.11.2022. 21:08

https://wccftech.com/intel-13th-gen-...-up-to-725-us/

13400 330$,kod nas 2600-2700 neisplativo,ili 5600x,5700x,5800x ili 12400 ili 12600k.

BusMaster

26.11.2022. 23:51

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Autor demetrius (Post 3641013)

https://wccftech.com/intel-13th-gen-...-up-to-725-us/
13400 330$,kod nas 2600-2700 neisplativo,ili 5600x,5700x,5800x ili 12400 ili 12600k.

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To je u Kanadskim dolarima, u USD=245$... 13400F je još povoljniji.. 218$ i logičan izbor jer je IGP ionako loš za bilo što suvislo osim za uredske programe i osnovni rad.

Exy	27.11.2022. 00:02

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Autor demetrius (Post 3641013)

https://wccftech.com/intel-13th-gen-...-up-to-725-us/

13400 330$,kod nas 2600-2700 neisplativo,ili 5600x,5700x,5800x ili 12400 ili 12600k.

Da, to je kanadski dolar kako kolega kaže. Kod nas je sad 13600KF 2.669 kuna tako da ovo mora bit znatno manje.
Ali mene više zanima što im to sad znači da jedan 13400F ima reviziju B0 / C0. Hoće li to na kraju bit raptor lake proc ili alder lake.

Taproot7

27.11.2022. 11:18

i ja cekam razvoj situacije oko ovih za novcanik prijateljskih solucija a ako budu prepakirani alder lake odmah idem na 13600k

BusMaster

29.11.2022. 00:42

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Autor Exy (Post 3641057)

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Nastavno na tvoj post, moguće je da 13400F i 13400 imaju Raptor Cove P-jezgre, iako u ovoj Gigabyte tabeli navode jedan i drugi steping.. možda zato što su testirali engineering samplove, i u Cpu-Monkey navode da su testirali samplove a ne finalne verzije.. Neznam kad ti procovi izlaze, u svakom slučaju s obzirom na broj jezgri, manju potrošnju, cijenu i veći takt mogli bi bit dobar izbor jer Zen 4 za sada nema ekvivalenta, osim ako ne spuste cijenu značajno za ove non-x modele.

Linkovi:

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-intel_core_i5_13400f

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compar...core_i5_12400f

https://www.club386.com/here-are-all...ome-surprises/

BusMaster

03.12.2022. 22:31

Intel Core i5-13500 Raptor Lake CPU Benchmarks Leak: Over 50% Faster Than 12500

Link: https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i5-1...er-than-12500/

The Exiled

08.12.2022. 19:37

Intel CPU Roadmap: 14th Gen Meteor Lake delayed to 2024, Raptor Lake Refresh in Late 2023:kafa:

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The rumors were true, Intel is indeed launching a refreshed Raptor Lake-S processors next year. The socket longevity will be extended for another series. This is what the new leaked Intel roadmap appears to confirm. The slides posted today show desktop and workstation products coming within the next 5 quarters. This includes yet unreleased Sapphire Rapids-WS and updated Raptor Lake-S CPUs. This is the first time we see direct reference to Raptor Lake-S Refresh. It appears that the plan is to launch them in early third quarter of next year, so possibly even sooner than 1 year after the first 13th Gen Core CPUs were announced. According to this roadmap, Intel would be refreshing its entire desktop platform with 125W, 65W and 35W SKUs. What is important to note that the current 13th Gen Core processors with base power lower than 125W were not yet released, but they are due to come out next month. This means we now learn that within 10 months or so there will be an update to those SKUs as well.

https://i.postimg.cc/MMPH2fHk/INTEL-...KE-REFRESH.jpg

Izvor: Interneti

The Exiled

19.12.2022. 17:10

Intel may delay construction of German mega-fab to cut costs:kafa:

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Intel is set to delay construction of its planned semiconductor manufacturing plant at Magdeburg in Germany, and is said to be seeking further public subsidies for the project, citing increased costs as one reason for the rethink. The chip giant had intended to start construction work at the Magdeburg site sometime in the first half of 2023 and for production to start in 2027, but those plans are now said to be on hold, according to German media outlet Volksstimme, which published an interview with Intel spokesperson Benjamin Barteder. The report has Barteder saying that a lot has changed since the plans were announced earlier this year, with various issues such as inflation driving up the cost of energy and raw materials, plus the falling demand for semiconductors worldwide. "Geopolitical challenges have become greater, semiconductor demand has declined, and inflation and recession are disrupting the global economy," he is quoted as saying, adding: "This means we cannot yet give a definitive date for the start of construction."

When the plans for a so-called "mega-fab" were disclosed in March, the investment required for building the site was estimated at €17 billion ($18 billion), but Intel now claims the cost has risen to about €20 billion, and the company wants the German government to increase the amount it is offering in subsidies, according to the report. As The Register reported in early summer, Intel was already due to receive €6.8 billion ($7.2 billion) in subsidies from the German government, covering nearly 40 percent of the then expected cost of construction at the Magdeburg site.

The German government had earlier said that it was willing to offer a total of up to €14 billion ($14.85 billion) in state aid to encourage chipmakers to set up shop in the country. It isn't clear whether Intel is merely angling for more funding to help cover the increased cost of building its fabrication plant or whether the company is having second thoughts. If it decides not to proceed, this would be a big blow not just for Germany, but for the wider European Union, which announced plans in February to ramp up European semiconductor design and manufacturing with the European Chips Act. Intel was set to play major part of this.

Izvor: The Register

The Exiled

24.12.2022. 11:46

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Intel 14th Gen Meteor Lake-S desktop CPUs allegedly canceled, LGA1851 socket may support 3 generations:kafa:

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Intel may have canceled its 14th Gen Meteor Lake-S desktop processors after multiple reports of a possible delay. Leveraging the LGA1851 socket, these chips were designed on the Intel 4 process node with the first iteration of EUV lithography. We’re talking about a 20% improvement in performance per watt. Meteor Lake-P, the mobile variant, has already been taped out with volume production in progress, but there’s no official word on the desktop lineup. The Meteor Lake-S lineup was supposed to leverage the LGA1851 socket with three disaggregate dies or tiles: The CPU compute die for the IDM 4nm node (up to 6 “Redwood Cove” P-cores and 16 “Crestmont” E-cores) while the I/O and iGPU tiles for the TSMC N6 and N5 process nodes, respectively.

Izvor: Interneti

Taproot7

24.12.2022. 12:57

lucidius i prateci discord cirkus na aparatima

The Exiled

24.12.2022. 13:13

Da, ovo se taman poklapa s vijestima otprije dva tjedna koje spominju Raptor Lake refresh uz Meteor Lake odgađanje, samo da bi na kraju ispalo da će ta desktop izdanja vrlo vjerojatno biti kompletno otkazana.

Kak god bilo, Intel i dalje povlači samo njima jasne poteze, pa dok se premišljaju oko novih fabrika u Njemačkoj, jer žele još više državnih poticaja i subvencija, TSMC će ih možda i na tom polju preduhitriti.

Mladenxy

24.12.2022. 14:45

Koja luda vremena...ako bude ovako AMD može držat cijene kakve želi i dokle želi. S druge strane Intel kad nije konkurentan ima dobre budget pocesore za malo para. Nakon nove AMD serije bude trenutna 13. gen išla za đabalesku.

BusMaster

24.12.2022. 15:12

Intel Core i5-13500 CPU Benchmarked, Faster Than The i5-12600K At A Lower Price

Link: https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i5-1...a-lower-price/

The Exiled

24.12.2022. 15:20

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Autor Mladenxy (Post 3647157)

Zen 4 cijene su u slobodnom padu, kaj zbog onog Black Friday sniženja, kaj zbog dolar i euro situacije, tak da se sad 7600X može naći za kakvih ~2.200 kn, 7700X je ~3.200 kn, 7900X ide za ~4.200 kn, a 7950X se može naći za ~5.200 kn. Nije loše kak god se okrene, a nadolazeći obični (non-K) Raptor Lake i Ryzen 7000 (non-X) modeli budu se fino uklopili uz već postojeću Intel i AMD ponudu. Core i5-12600 modeli idu od ~2.200 kn, do ~2.500 kn, pa se novi Core i5-13400, a zapravo prepakirani Core i5-12600K s cijenom od kakvih 2.000 kn lijepo može udomiti na već postojeće B660 DDR4 ploče, jer ove nove B760 DDR4/DDR5 nažalost ne budu ništa pretjerano jeftinije od AMD-ovih B650 koje sad u prosjeku idu za kakvih ~1.500 kn.

Kaj se općenito Intel situacije tiče, problem je kaj šrot firma poput AMD-a od 2017. uredno sve svoje najave provodi u djelo, dok u Intelu i dalje pričaju nekaj kaj samo oni vjeruju, jer stvari idu u svim mogućim smjerovima, samo ne po planu i programu, a i taj plan i program se svako malo mijenjaju iz temelja, tak da ko zna kaj točno budu od svega najavljenog imali u opticaju. U najboljem slučaju kasne. ARC diviziju i njihovog šefa su fino rastavili na sastavne dijelove, ali kunu se da to nema veze s bilo kakvim odgodama i gašenjem desktop GPU modela, mada istovremeno sve GPU resurse preusmjeravaju u enterprise, datacenter i općenito HPC/AI/ML svrhe, jer tu su konkretni nofci i zarada.

Ukoliko se Meteor Lake desktop otkazivanje pokaže istinitim, a izgleda da bi moglo, jer već imaju Raptor Lake refresh u službenim prezentacijama, onda jebiga, Intelovo voCtvo stvarno ne vidi dalje od vlastitog nosa.

Dr. Strange

24.12.2022. 17:05

Intel daje previše vremena AMD-u da ispolira Zen 5, Zen 4 je samo evolucija Zen-a 3 pa i dalje vuče neke limite koji se osjete u određenim igrama, no Zen 5 je dizajn rađen od nule i Intelu bi bilo bolje da se ne igra opet kao u vrijeme skylake ere, znamo šta ih je zadesilo 2017 godine.

piydek

24.12.2022. 18:09

Ryzen 7xxx X3D vs Raptor Lake situacija će biti, po svemu sudeći, opet neugodna za gledati isto kako je bilo s Ryzen 5xxx vs intel 10/11 generacije. A izgleda po svemu sudeći da Intel više od godine dana neće imati ništa.

The Exiled

03.01.2023. 15:29

Intel quietly raises prices for 12th-Gen Alder Lake CPUs, now cost more than 13th-Gen:kafa:

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Intel has raised the pricing of its 12th-gen Alder Lake processors in its online Ark product database, reflecting a 10% increase in pricing for the company's previous-gen desktop PC chips. In some cases, that can be a ~$60 increase in the price for a chip. For now, the company's newer 13th-gen Raptor Lake processors, which come with more cores and drastically faster performance, are actually less expensive than the previous-gen models. However, we expect the Raptor Lake models to also see price hikes soon, perhaps giving AMD a leg up in the pricing department. Intel announced during the first quarter of 2022 that it would increase chip pricing, but didn't share details. The company again reiterated that message back in June during its earnings call in the wake of losing $500 million in the second quarter of 2022 - one of the worst quarters in the company's history. However, Intel again did not specify which products would see price hikes or how much it would raise prices.

Intel launches 16 new 13th-Gen Raptor Lake desktop CPUs: Higher pricing and power consumption:fiju:

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Intel announced 16 new Raptor Lake CPUs spanning its 65W mainstream PC chips and 35W “T-Series” categories today, broadening its roster of 13th-Gen processors that currently dominate our list of Best CPUs for gaming and our CPU benchmark hierarchy. The new chips extend from the Core i3 to high-end Core i9 families and come with more cores and higher frequencies along with higher gen-on-gen pricing, mirroring the price increases we noticed last night with Intel’s 12th-gen chips. They also have significantly increased peak power consumption compared to their predecessors. Most of Intel’s new 13th-gen processors announced today come with the same Raptor Cove architecture as the flagship models that launched last year,*but some of the Core i5 and the lone Core i3 model reportedly come with the same die and architecture used for the 12th-Gen Alder Lake CPUs, albeit bulked up with more generous core counts and/or higher clock rates to enable higher levels of performance.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

coconut

04.01.2023. 07:30

Evo šta sam Intel kaže o novim H, HX, U i P procesorima
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...ile-brief.html

spawn

04.01.2023. 21:49

Vijesti i novosti o Intel procesorima i čipsetima

Stavi malo teksta ovdje, nemoj da klikamo, kao da sam na indexu ili 24sata

The Exiled

10.01.2023. 19:41

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Intel Officially Launches ‘Sapphire Rapids’ and HPC-optimized Max Series:kafa:

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After a number of delays, Intel has launched its fourth-generation Intel Xeon Scalable processor, codenamed Sapphire Rapids, the successor to Ice Lake. The Sapphire Rapids family includes 52 SKUs, grouped across 10 segments, inclusive of the Max series: 11 are optimized for 2-socket performance (8 to 56 cores, 150-350 watts), 7 for 2-socket mainline performance (12 to 36 cores, 150-300 watts), 10 target four- and eight- socket (8 to 60 cores, 195-350 watts), and there are three single-socket optimized parts (8 to 32 cores, 125-250 watts). There are also SKUs optimized for cloud, networking, storage, media and other workloads. The lineup for the “HPC Optimized” Xeon Max series SKUs include a 32-, 40-, 48-, 52- and a 56-core version. All five of these 2-socket parts top out at 350 watts, and recommended pricing runs from $7,995 for the 32-core 9462 to $12,980 for the 56-core 9480. There are two SKUs more expensive than the 9480 Max series: the 60-core 8490H, which runs a cool $17,000, and the 48-core 8460H at $13,923.

Izvor: HPCwire

Intel's Sapphire Rapid Finally Here! Feat. Super Micro SYS-221BTDNTR

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If you want the maximum performance per socket, the AMD EPYC 9654 is still the king, but now with an asterisk. Intel has a number of accelerators. Still, after months with the parts and having written now a ~10,000-word essay on the new parts, it feels like the maximum impact of Sapphire Rapids was missed. Intel’s story is one extolling the virtues of acceleration, yet 56% of its SKUs do not have QuickAssist, one of its most useful accelerators, since most servers these days do crypto and compression tasks. Also, Intel has not shown its accelerator roadmap.

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Intel’s rental service on chips could face buyer backlash:kafa:

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Intel is bringing subscription and rental services to semiconductors as it explores new business models, but it remains to be seen if buyers warm up to the idea of paying extra to unlock features on a chip. Intel is bringing an “on-demand” feature to its new Xeon CPUs codenamed Sapphire Rapids, which the company launched on Tuesday after long delays. The on-demand feature involves paying a fee to activate specific features on chips. The on-demand feature is like renting a movie – you pay a fee to unlock the content. Intel in a press document explained on-demand as a feature to “expand and/or upgrade accelerators and hardware-enhanced features available on most 4th Gen Xeon processor SKUs.” Some on-chip features that customers could rent include accelerators integrated into the CPU that provide extra juice to applications in artificial intelligence, analytics, networking and storage. The point of on-demand was to provide chips with certain features turned off, but can be activated when customers know the software development cycle is complete and ready to take advantage of the accelerators.

Izvor: HPCwire

Sinac

12.01.2023. 11:21

Intel's Sapphire Rapid Finally Here!

Već vidim kako ćemo u budućnosti svi vaditi mobitele i gledati u bilješke radi li se o Intel ili AMD proizvodu.

Inače, vidim da je big.LITTLE arhitektura s 13. generacijom malo došla do izražaja, vidim da i5 13600K sa svojih 6+8 jezgri i 20 dretvi (ove dretve su jedan tako fakerski naziv da ne znam zašto se tako rijetko koristi :p) rastura i procesore koji su i iz jače klase, i stariji Intel i7 i Ryzene 7 i 9.

Dr. Strange

12.01.2023. 13:15

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Autor Sinac (Post 3651940)

Radije bih sve big jezgre, u 3d načinu slaganja pa onda neće biti ni potrebe za malim jezgrama koje su tu samo kao polu rješenje dok ne smisle kako upogonit sve velike jezgre i uštedit na prostoru, a uz to će i developere manje bolit glava kad imaš konzistentne jezgre, i potencijalno manje problema za nas ako se nađe neki softver koji ne zna razlikovati jezgre.

Sva vremena su GMT +2. Sada je 21:22.

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