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McG 02.11.2008. 20:17

Detaljan pregled Nehalem arhitekture
 
It seems that even though Core microarchitecture has been extremely successful, there is something about it that doesn’t quite satisfy the microprocessor giant any more. And these reasons are not superficial. Core processors have a lot of advantages, sell very well and are way ahead of the competitor’s solutions. It turns out that a serious drawback of Core microarchitecture that makes Intel very unhappy is their non-modular design. Being a continuation of the mobile Pentium M CPUs, Core 2 microprocessors were initially designed as dual-core semiconductor dies. When they started making multi-core Core 2 and Xeon solutions later on, they discovered several drawbacks of this approach. Increasing the systems performance by adding more processor cores to CPUs and more processors to the systems would have sooner or later brought Intel to a dead end, despite the fact that contemporary Core microarchitecture seemed very successful overall. That is why Intel is working real hard to switch to new Nehalem microarchitecture.

The actual microarchitecture consists only of a few building blocks that will be used to form a processor at the final design and production stage. This set of building blocks includes a processor core with an L2 cache, L3 cache, QPI bus controller, memory controller, graphics core, etc. The Bloomfield CPU we are going to discuss fairly soon consists of four cores, an L3 cache, a memory controller and one QPI bus controller. Server processors with the same microarchitecture that should be announced in early 2009 will have up to eight cores, up to four QPI bus controllers for multi-processor systems, L3 cache and a memory controller. The upcoming budget Nehalem processors scheduled to come out in H2 2009 will have two cores, a memory controller, a graphics core and DMI bus controller connecting the processor directly to the South Bridge.



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Advanced Processor Core
Nehalem has the same number of the same decoders. However, Macrofusion technology did change significantly. First of all, there are more pairs of x86 instructions decoded “at one fling” within this technology. Secondly, Macrofusion technology in Nehalem processors works in 64-bit mode, while in Core 2 processors it could only be activated when the CPU worked with 32-bit code. So, CPUs with new microarchitecture will be able to decode five instructions per clock instead of four in a larger number of cases than their predecessors.

New processor cores support SMT technology and can simultaneously process up to two computational threads that require resource sharing. New processors with Nehalem microarchitecture should benefit even more from SMT. Firstly, they have memory subsystem with much higher bandwidth that can much better supply two computational processes with data. Secondly, Nehalem boasts “wider” microarchitecture that allows processing more instructions simultaneously. When SMT is enabled, all other resources are shared dynamically between processor threads or shared 50-50.

http://pce.hostili.com/images/Intel01b4kw.png



TLB and Cache-Memory
Intel engineers have significantly increased the size of the TLB (Translation-Lookaside Buffer). As you know, TLB is a high-speed buffer used to map over the physical and virtual page addresses. By making the TLB bigger they increase the number of memory pages that can be used without additional costly modifications employing address translation tables stored in regular memory. Moreover, TLB of Nehalem processors became dual-level. In fact, Intel simply added another L2 buffer to the TLB inherited from Core 2 processors. The new L2 TLB is not only large and can save up to 512 entries, but also boasts relatively low latency. Also, the new L2 TLB is unified and can translate page addresses of any size.

Nehalem microarchitecture allowing processors with up to 8 cores, doesn’t have a shared L2 cache any more. Each core gets its own L2 cache of relatively small size: 256KB. Nehalem also acquired L3 cache, which connects all cores and is shared. As a result, L2 cache turns into a buffer when processor cores send their requests to pretty big shared cache-memory.

http://pce.hostili.com/images/Intel02nwxz.png



SSE4.2 Instructions
Intel continued increasing the number of supported SIMD instructions in their new Nehalem microarchitecture. They added a set of seven new instructions called SSE4.2. Intel specifically stressed that the new SSE4.2 instructions are designed not that much for the processing of streaming media content, but for slightly different things.



Integrated Memory Controller
The main feature of Nehalem processors memory controller is its flexibility. Keeping in mind the modular design of the entire upcoming processor family, that may include solutions differing dramatically in features and market positioning, Intel foresaw the opportunity not just to enable or disable buffered modules, but also to vary the memory speed and the number of channels. The first processors with Nehalem microarchitecture will be quad-core models and they will have a triple-channel memory controller supporting DDR3 SDRAM. This way, desktop systems built on new CPUs will boast unprecedented memory subsystem bandwidth. With three DDR3-1067 SDRAM modules it will reach 25.6GB/s.

http://pce.hostili.com/images/Intel03efn6.png



QPI Bus
Nehalem microarchitecture is universal, it should be used for desktop and mobile as well as server solutions. That is why Intel designed a new processor bus that could suit for multi-processor systems and provide sufficient bandwidth and scalability. On the technical side, QPI consists of two 20-bit links transferring data forward and back. 16 bit are assigned for data and the remaining 4 bits serve some auxiliary purpose: they are used by the protocol and error correction. This bus performs maximum 6.4 mln transfers per second (GT/s) and has 12.8GB/s bandwidth in each direction, or 25.6GB/s total bandwidth.

Depending on their market positioning, processors on Nehalem microarchitecture may come equipped with one or multiple QPI interfaces. As a result, each CPU in the multi-processor system may be directly connected to all other processors to reduce the latency when working with the memory connected to another controller. CPUs for single-processor desktop systems will have one QPI connecting it to the chipset.



Power Management and Turbo-Mode
Power Control Unit is actually just another programmable micro-controller built into the CPU that should manage power consumption intelligently. No wonder that PCU is of pretty complex design: it consists of about 1 million transistors. PCU’s main task is to adjust the frequency and voltage of individual cores and it has everything it takes for that. It receives the sensor readings of temperatures, voltage and current for all cores. PCU analyzes these data and switches qualifying cores to power-saving mode by adjusting their frequency and voltage. Namely, PCU may disable inactive cores and put them in deep sleep state where their power consumption will be close to 0.

According to Turbo Boost Technology main principle, the overall processor power consumption and heat dissipation lowers when some cores go into power-saving mode, which allows increasing the frequencies of other cores without risking to get past the TDP limits. Turbo-mode doesn’t necessarily get enabled when one or more cores go into power-saving mode.



First mass production processors based on new Nehalem microarchitecture will be desktop processors codenamed Bloomfield. They will have four cores. Besides these four cores the Bloomfield processor die will also contain 8MB L3 cache, triple-channel memory controller supporting DDR3 SDRAM and one QPI interface. The CPU like that will consist of 731 mln transistors and will be manufactured with 45nm process using high-k dielectric metal gates. Bloomfield processors will be marketed as Core i7. The first models due to come out in mid November will work at 3.2, 2.93 and 2.66GHz frequencies and the typical heat dissipation of all three will be set at 130W.

http://pce.hostili.com/images/Intel04rtdh.png

Izvor: X-Bit Labs

anidra 10.11.2008. 10:08

prvo ispeci pa reci
 
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Autor Skorn (Post 1155235)
dakle ovo znači da neće biti ništa od klokanja Nehalema. a ionako je pušiona za igre.
preskačem ovu rundu i čekam Sandy Bridge ili novog AMDa

pogledaj si ovo:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i...rmance-review/

Jerry 01.12.2008. 11:36

I Nehalem ima TLB bug! :D
Bas me zanima da li ce biti pluvanja po Nehalemu zbog ovoga kao sto je bilo po K10. :kafa:

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"In rare instances, improper TLB invalidation may result in unpredictable system behavior, such as system hangs or incorrect data. Developers of operating systems should take this documentation into account when designing TLB invalidation algorithms. For the processors affected, Intel has provided a recommended update to system and BIOS vendors to incorporate into their BIOS to resolve this issue."
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...10707&Itemid=1

^SuperUnknown^ 01.12.2008. 12:15

Buahah, ionak se prvi macici bacaju u vodu ;)

Jerry 01.12.2008. 12:36

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Autor ^SuperUnknown^ (Post 1206359)
Buahah, ionak se prvi macici bacaju u vodu ;)

Mislim da se s tobom nece bas sloziti ekipa koja je za novu platformu izvojila 1000-1500$. ;)

^SuperUnknown^ 01.12.2008. 12:46

Ko im kriv :) Da platforma ne znam kako razara nebih jos isao na nju dokle god DDR3 ne dodje na neke normalne cifre...

Emperor 01.12.2008. 12:54

Ekipa koja je potrosila tolku lovu ,se ne želi pomiriti sa time da su bacili novac u vjetar.

Ko im je kriv kad žele imati prvi u selu.:D

Tako je sa večinom stvari pa i nevezano za računala,prve revizije su obično uvijek pune grešaka,bugova i visoke su cijene.

McG 07.01.2009. 17:22

MSI Eclipse Plus X58 ploča s NF200 čipom
 
MSI X58 Eclipse motherboard might have impressed you. Now, the details of MSI X58 Eclipse’s suped-up edition — MSI Eclipse Plus are leaked out at Syndrome-OC. From what we can see, all the heat sinks are black-colored, and the cooling area of southbridge has been enlarged. The number of heat pipe between southbridge and northbridge has been changed to one. The SATA connectors are also moved to the side face, which leaves plenty of room. The debug light is fixed at the left side of the motherboard. The Eclipse Plus has integrated with NF200 chip, and it features 4 PCIe X16 slot, supporting SLI and CrossFire. As of now, MSI hasn’t officially announced the launch date or pricing of this motherboard. But considering the participation of NF200, it won’t be a surprise if Eclipse Plus is much more expensive than Eclipse edition.
http://pce.hostili.com/images/Eclipsefvac_thumb.jpg
Izvor: Expreview

stef 10.01.2009. 01:04

Ako je netko pomislio da ASRock neće izdati svoju X58 ploču, gadno se prevario :)

http://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/X58%20SuperComputer.jpg


http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.as...erComputer&s=n

SRV 10.01.2009. 11:22

Odlicno izgleda, moram primjetit.

stef 10.01.2009. 21:29

Inače, ploča je inicijalno malo drugačije izgledala, ali su ipak dotjerali dizajn (na bolje :)):
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=207815

elvis again 10.01.2009. 22:14

Jep, raspored je vrlo dobro poslozen za jednu tako prenatrpanu plocu. Dobro je i sto hladnjaci nisu predimenzionirani kao kod nekih proizvođaca sto olaksava ugranju aftermarket coolera.

Milentije 11.01.2009. 15:06

Zanimljiva ploča, a i sviđa mi se to što ima 3 PCI slota. Jedino sto bi mogla biti mana za korisnike sa novijim dodatnim karticama je nedostatak PCI-E 4x i 1x slotova.

Metamphetamine 11.01.2009. 15:14

Slika na službenoj stranici, hladnjak ima ljepšu boju nego na prethodnoj slici:D

http://www.asrock.com/mb/enlargement...0SuperComputer

Edit: nisam vidio sliku na prethodnoj stranici, sorry

stef 11.01.2009. 15:27

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Autor Milentije (Post 1245358)
Zanimljiva ploča, a i sviđa mi se to što ima 3 PCI slota. Jedino sto bi mogla biti mana za korisnike sa novijim dodatnim karticama je nedostatak PCI-E 4x i 1x slotova.

Sve što ide u PCI-E 4x slot ide i u PCI-E 16x/8x, uglavnom su to RAID kontroleri i neke mrežne kartice.

Jerry 16.01.2009. 10:08

Intel postpones the launch schedule of Lynnfield CPUs and P55 chipset
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090115PD218.html

Izgleda da i proizvodjaci maticnih ploca imaju ogromne kolicine neprodanih Pxx chipseta (Asus sam oko 7M!) te su trazili od Intela da odgodi predstavljanje novih.

Razer 16.01.2009. 10:12

Ovaj P55 zbilja prekasno izlazi...

Jerry 19.01.2009. 15:59

Intel quad ispod 150$ - C2Q 7500.
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?id=24068&catid=2
45nm, 65w TDP, 4 cores, 2.6GHz clock, 800 FSB and 2MB L2 cache.

Nisam siguran ali ovo mi izgleda kao 2x Celeron E na 2.66GHz?
Uglavnom, mislim da s 512KB L2 po jezgru ovo i nece biti najsretnije rjesenje za igranje (a i za hrpu drugih aplikacija).
Po cijeni bi trebao biti izravni konkurent Phenomu II X3 810 7.5MB L3.

Dr. Faustus 20.01.2009. 12:12

Nove (manje) cijene nekih Intelovih procesora
 
Novi Intelov cjenik.

snorky_vk 20.01.2009. 19:30

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Autor Dr. Faustus (Post 1254290)
Novi Intelov cjenik.

a kad ce naši lihvari to uzet u obzir? i pizde ne snize seriju 8xxx...grrrr

Oblak 20.01.2009. 21:56

E8400 je 163 dolara... Naaaajs... Samo 50% nize nego kod nas ;)

KidBoy128 20.01.2009. 22:27

1 dolar trenutno vrijedi 5,58kn LINK
tako da bi e8400 trebao koštat:909,54kn
ADM:1.220,00Kn
Hardveraj: 1,240.00kn
Vemil:1.270,00kn

a q9550 bi trebao koštati:1484,28kn
ADM: 2.039,84Kn
Vemil:2.469,00kn
(milsim da sam dobro izračunao)
po tom novom intelovom cjeniku procesori u hr bi trebali biti dosta jeftiniji nego što su sad
ali to dućane nije briga, tako da sam ja naletio pred par tjedana u jednom dućanu na 8800gtx koja košta oko 35xx kn :no2drug::hitthewal:

dejanbinladen 20.01.2009. 22:50

snizene cijene intela se odnose na kolicnu od 1000 komada kao i uvijek, pa ti ako hoces 9550 za 1500kn naruci 1000...

postoje ipak neki zakoni trzista (prvo zarada) i porezi tako da ...

JuiceBox 20.01.2009. 23:49

jedan zanimljiv clanak ( lynnfield i havendale) : http://www.techpowerup.com/82318/Int..._Detailed.html

Slika : http://www.techpowerup.com/img/09-01-18/140c.jpg

Drkson 16.02.2009. 02:16

Intel 32nm
 
Vidi nova igraka uskoro http://www.legitreviews.com/article/899/2/

intelcore2quad 24.02.2009. 15:16

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Autor KidBoy128 (Post 1254954)
1 dolar trenutno vrijedi 5,58kn LINK
tako da bi e8400 trebao koštat:909,54kn
ADM:1.220,00Kn
Hardveraj: 1,240.00kn
Vemil:1.270,00kn

a q9550 bi trebao koštati:1484,28kn
ADM: 2.039,84Kn
Vemil:2.469,00kn
(milsim da sam dobro izračunao)
po tom novom intelovom cjeniku procesori u hr bi trebali biti dosta jeftiniji nego što su sad
ali to dućane nije briga, tako da sam ja naletio pred par tjedana u jednom dućanu na 8800gtx koja košta oko 35xx kn :no2drug::hitthewal:

ja svog Q9550 platio u protisu 2200

Razer 24.02.2009. 15:25

Who cares? Kakve to ima veze s temom?

Chome 24.02.2009. 15:30

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Autor KidBoy128 (Post 1254954)
po tom novom intelovom cjeniku procesori u hr bi trebali biti dosta jeftiniji nego što su sad
ali to dućane nije briga, tako da sam ja naletio pred par tjedana u jednom dućanu na 8800gtx koja košta oko 35xx kn :no2drug::hitthewal:

Dućani imaju zalihe koje su uzeli po skupljim cjenama i bili bi na gubitku da sad prodaju po tim koje si naveo i to je vjerojatno jedini razlog zašto su još skupi. Drugi je sad problem zašto naručuju toliko unaprijed.

dugi68 05.03.2009. 14:50

Molim Vas pošto sam poprilična neznalica podatak na kojem taktu radi procesor Intel dual core 2180!

Razer 05.03.2009. 14:51

Odeš na službene stranice...

http://processorfinder.intel.com/

Gdje možeš vidjeti da radi na 2 GHz (200*10).

Jerry 10.03.2009. 17:45

Nova zamjena za E2xxx:
http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SLGU6

Visok multi od 12x i 13x ce biti zanimljiv! ;)

SRV 10.03.2009. 18:25

Najstedljiviji desktop procesor ikada. :)

Ubilo se za jeftinog file servera ili htpc-a.

Jerry 10.03.2009. 19:36

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Autor SRV (Post 1296840)
Najstedljiviji desktop procesor ikada. :)

Ubilo se za jeftinog file servera ili htpc-a.

Za takvo nesto je ipak bolji 22W X2 3250e s nekom 780G plocom. ;)

SRV 11.03.2009. 00:30

Ne znam koliko realno trosi taj X2 (22W?), ali E3000 sigurno ne ide preko 15W. :D

Istina, adekvatne maticne za Intela (GF9300/9400) su skupe, ali uvijek imas HD4550 kao odlicno htpc rjesenje. :)

Jerry 11.03.2009. 09:05

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Autor SRV (Post 1297123)
Ne znam koliko realno trosi taj X2 (22W?)...

X2 4850e@ X2 3250e trosi <10W
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&postcount=57

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Autor SRV (Post 1297123)
...ali E3000 sigurno ne ide preko 15W. :D

To je mozda i istina ali kada bude mogao OVO napraviti onda cu mu dati priliku za HTPC ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&h...&v=qnZz28L_R48

BTW, ovo nije ni e X2! :D

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Autor SRV (Post 1297123)
Istina, adekvatne maticne za Intela (GF9300/9400) su skupe, ali uvijek imas HD4550 kao odlicno htpc rjesenje. :)

Platforma s Atomom mu ne moze parirati po potrosnji tako da ne vidim kako bi mogla s nekim Celeronom! ;)
http://translate.google.com/translat...hkepc.com/2232

Edit:
Iskreno se nadam da mi mod nece obrisati ovaj post! :D

SRV 11.03.2009. 12:09

Ne znam, meni se i dalje vise svidja E3000 nego taj X2. :p

Ipak je i gro brzi, a undervoltan i underclockan je ziher ispod 10W.

hammer_of_thor 17.03.2009. 22:56

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...2443&Itemid=69

Da Fudzilla je -.-'
Ali opet... možda je i istina :eek:
Ako je istina - super

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Intel plans to release a new six-core 32nm CPU next year, and the good news is that this chip will continue to support its X58 chipset.

No što je onda sa P55?

Bullet1 17.03.2009. 23:05

Valjda bude i P55 podržavao, nema smisla da ne. Al otom potom, treba sačekat treći kvartal i vidjet što i kako sa P55.

btw. Valjda i očekivan potez, 32nm procevi. O tom se već pričalo :)

Majo 17.03.2009. 23:07

Pa kaj nije P55 za i5 procesore??

hammer_of_thor 17.03.2009. 23:11

Kako ako je P55 s.1160? (mislim fizički, nečeš ni Havendale ni Lynnfielde moći nagurati u X58/1366?)

Ili ja nešto nisam dobro skužio :stoopid:

A možda će samo mjenjati socket na istom chipsetu - što bi ipak značilo nova ploča :( , što i nije tako super


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