Po svemu sudeći Meteor Lake bude samo i isključivo mobilno izdanje, dok se desktop varijante otkazuju, a zamjena su Raptor Lake osvježeni modeli, dok ne stigne nešto (Arrow Lake) konkretno u 2024.

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Citiraj:

Citiraj: Toward the end of 2023, Intel plans to release the 14th Gen Meteor Lake processors. The chipmaker claims its 4nm process is ready for ramp, and Meteor Lake is on track as planned. Meteor Lake will be the first consumer CPU to feature a chiplet design with disaggregated dies for compute, graphics, and I/O. Each of them will be fabbed on a different process node: Compute tile on the Intel 4 node, graphics die on TSMC N5, and SoC die on the TSMC N6 node. Meteor Lake is a mobile-centric platform that will reduce the P-core count to improve battery life and power efficiency. The core architecture will be upgraded to Redwood Cove (P-core) and Crestmont (E-core). MTL was supposed to be the first desktop family to adopt the LGA1851 socket with 6 P-cores and 16 E-cores. However, rumors have claimed that the desktop platform has been canceled for unforeseeable reasons. Arrow Lake will succeed Meteor Lake in 2024. Being part of the 14th Gen family, it’ll be socket compatible with Meteor Lake, allowing OEMs to upgrade their notebook designs easily. Seeing how the MTL-S desktop chips are in limbo, it’ll be a much-anticipated release on the DIY end. Unlike its predecessor, it will be geared towards high-performance desktop users with 8P and 16E cores. Arrow Lake’s compute tile will be manufactured on the 20A (2nm) node with GAA (RibbonFET) transistors and PowerVia backside power delivery. It’ll feature an advanced chiplet architecture with Foveros 3D stacking, wider inter-die bandwidth, and a potent graphics die fabbed on the TSMC 3nm or 4nm process. Lunar Lake will follow Arrow Lake in 2025. Fabbed on the cutting-edge 1.8A (1.8nm) process node, it will radically change Intel’s client CPU architecture. Built from the ground up for mobility, it’ll prioritize power efficiency over performance. There’s a very good chance that it is the product of the Royal Cove project designed by Jim Keller and his team. Lunar Lake will feature new CPU, GPU, and VPU architectures for lower power consumption and all-day battery life. It is the result of a close collaboration with Microsoft and will fully leverage the advanced capabilities of Windows 11. You can expect a slew of new ultra-thin notebooks and convertibles based on the Lunar Lake family. Izvor: Hardware Times

Intel Core i9-13900KS Review: The World's First 6 GHz 320W CPU

Link: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/in...0ks-cpu-review

A leading Wall Street firm has downgraded AMD, due to Chipzilla’s destructive actions against its smaller rival in the desktop PC space to slow down its market share expansion.
Vuk dlaku mijenja...

I onda procitas clanak pa vidis da su te destruktivne akcije niska cijena i veliki kapacitet za proizvodnju.

Ne valja kad je skupo, a ne valja ni sad kad je dostupno i toboze agresivno jeftino :lol2:

Intel nažalost ima i većih problema, a većina najava koje je novi CEO izbacil u eter ne ide po planu i programu.:kafa:

Citiraj:

AMD 4th Gen Epyc Genoa CPUs up to 20% Faster than Intel’s Sapphire Rapids-SP in AVX-512 Workloads AMD will Capture More than 30% of the Server CPU Market in 2023 with 4th Gen Epyc Genoa AMD’s 96 Core Epyc Genoa CPU is Over 70% Faster than Intel’s Xeon Sapphire Rapids Flagship in 2S Mode Dual Intel Sapphire Rapids-SP CPU Combo (120 Cores) Loses to a Single AMD Epyc Genoa CPU with 96 Cores

:chears:

Rekordne zarade su postale mršave. Pretprošli kvartal su završili u minusu a prošli samo milijarda dobiti, za njih je to jako mršavo. AMD je također u mršavim zaradama. Ali brijem da nema zima ni za jedne ni za druge, kao što Intel glavešina izjavio, čipovi su nova nafta i potražnja će biti sve veća.

Je, ali dodatni problem za Intel (uz nedostatak rekordnih zarada) su najavljeni otkazi, dodatna zatvaranja određenih divizija po uzoru na Optane i AXG uz konkurenciju koja ne stoji na mjestu i ne čeka da ih država sponzorira.

ARC grafiku kao fijasko ne treba posebno niti spominjati. I to je pomrsilo financijske planove makar same grafičke kartice na papiru i nisu tako loše, ali ostalo oko njih zahtjeva i strpljenja i natezanja:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGQPCsqDZRc

Samo da im ne propadne GPU divizija, onda će nestati i ono malo svjetla u tunelu, a Jensen Huang dat gas i rtx 5050 preimenovati u 5080.

Intel reports a broad miss on its Q4 2022 earnings along with horrendous guidance for Q1 2023:kafa::fiju:

https://i.postimg.cc/YGSH1ngN/Intel-...s-Segments.png

https://i.postimg.cc/0MHqZYdT/Supple...ormation-2.png

Kakav je ovo "increased Intel 7 mix" pod operating income? U društvu je faktora koji donose gubitke pa me zbunjuje.
Dal se iz toga da očitat da taj Intel 7 proces proizvodi gubitke također?
Sorry zbog velike slike :)


https://images.anandtech.com/doci/18...k_Final_08.png

A kaze picajzla da AMD samo lose stoji, da propadaju, guse se itd:lol2:, picajzla na aparatima.

Increased Intel 7 mix je proizvodni proces u koji su utukli hrpu love.

https://www.extremetech.com/computin...ctor-dominance

Nije dugo trebalo da krenu nova rezanja.:hitthewal:
Da, Intel uvijek i u bilo koje vrijeme drži minimalno 90% sveukupnog tržišta, jedino je zajeb da su u pet godina prošli kroz tri direktora i pri tome izgubili fini komad sveukupnog tržišta od šrot firme zvane AMD.
Od toga da bez konkurencije više od deset godina stoje na mjestu s quad-core rješenjima, jer nitko ne treba više, došli su do toga da istovremeno najavljuju i otkazuju hrpu kojekakvih projekata i gube nekad zagarantirani tržišni udio. I opet je novi CEO naglasil da je sve to zapravo dio plana da se AMD ulovi u mrežu, a Intel onda momentalno izbacuje sve kaj cijelo ovo vrijeme drže u tajnosti, jer nije istina da njihovi proizvodi kasne više godina, već Intel to namjerno tak radi, da se korisnici lijepo iznenade.:):D

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Citiraj:

Intel’s datacenter business goes from bad to worse, with worst still to come:kafa: Citiraj: We now have eight quarters of financial results as we look back on Intel’s reorganization under chief executive officer Pat Gelsinger, who took the helm of the chipmaker two years ago and who diced and sliced the company groups and the executives in charge of them in June 2021. Many things are obvious in hindsight. The first is that the creation of the Data Center and AI group, which correctly absorbed the Programmable Systems Group FPGA business that came to Intel from the $16.7 billion acquisition of Altera in June 2015, was designed to boost profits as much as possible and to get some money-losing adjacencies, such as its network switching business, out of the DCAI profit and loss ledgers.The second thing is that the AXG spinout of discrete graphics for visualization and compute was just a way to keep the losses that Intel’s GPU efforts would incur out of its DCAI group and as well as its Client Computing group. The reorganization of the DCAI and NEX units was also designed to make both look stronger, and NEX had pretty good revenues thanks to the Xeon and Xeon D sales in datacenter and out at the edge (particularly in cell towers). But really, NEX is mostly part of a “datacenter” business, if you want to think of the edge as an extension of the datacenter. So even this split between DCAI and NEX is somewhat arbitrary. Now, the Flex Series GPU accelerators and the Max Series CPUs and GPUs that were part of AXG are going to be rolled into DCAI (where they always belonged), and Gelsinger was clear that these products would continue out into the future and were not part of its massive cuts. Intel swung from an operating income of $4.99 billion in the year ago period to a $1.13 billion operating loss in Q4 2022. The old Data Center Group (created and ran by Gelsinger so many years ago) was either losing money or close to it (at an operating level) in 2021, and even after the new way of doing the books that got AXG costs away from DCAI and NEX, the operating profits have quickly collapsed down to miniscule. Izvor: The Next Platform

• Intel 2024 Xeon Leak: 512 Core Sierra Forest, 128 Core Granite Rapids, Redwood+ Cove HEDT
  
  
• Intel’s Nerfed Future Leak: Why Meteor Lake, Sierra Forest, Granite Rapids are getting Downgraded…

I dalje sve po planu i programu u Intelu.:chears::frend:

Intel HEDT is BACK! Insane Overclockable 56 Core Sapphire Rapids CPU:kafa:

Sapphire Rapids 56-core CPU 4.2GHz all-core uz 360W idle potrošnju i kakvih 600W, 800W i 1kW u load režimu, dok su Geekbench 5:):D performanse bolje od dvije godine starih Zen 3 Threadrippera.:goood:

Švabo je kod sebe imal 400W do 500W potrošnje u Cinebench R23 testu, tak da je u njegovom slučaju potrošnja ipak bolja.:frend:

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Citiraj:

Intel Xeon W-3400 Content Creation Preview:fiju: Citiraj: In general, heavily-threaded workloads like CPU rendering is looking good, with Intel being largely on par with AMD’s Threadripper PRO line. We are sure Intel would like to take a firm lead for these tasks, however, so we expect at least some optimizations to come even here. Lightly threaded tasks are the biggest problem area for Intel at the moment, although it is interesting to see the duality between straight-forward workloads like the Cinebench single threaded benchmark, and more complex ones like Photoshop. The Xeon W-3400 did amazing in Cinebench with a 40% gen-over-gen performance gain, putting them on top of AMD by about 15%. On the other hand, Photoshop was only barely faster than the previous generation, and well behind AMD. This begs the question of whether it is Intel who needs to be doing optimizations for these applications, or if it is more on Adobe to update their application code. https://i.postimg.cc/DS2Gfz5t/CPU-Pa...vs-5995-WX.png Izvor: Puget Systems

Baš sam gledao video, htio sam samo Cinebench pogledat. I stvarno je CPU brutalan, ali isto tako i potrošnja. Ovo što piše za Photoshop, to je očito ograničenje Photoshopovog programskog koda za korištenje multithreada. Makar, pitanje je kada će to Adobe popraviti kad ima pune ruke posla s Apple Macom i M1 i M2 procesorima. :rtfm:

Nakon friško odgođenih i otkazanih, prethodno najavljenih i praktički zagarantiranih HPC GPU modela, današnja vijest je opet prikladno pozitivne tematike, ali izgleda da ni strani mediji više ne vjeruju u Intelove najave.:):D

Intelov plan i program dodatno potvrđen detaljnim PowerPoint prezentacijama.:):D

Sve u svemu zanimljivo, pogtovo, ako se stvari odigraju na ovaj način.:)

ja sam ovo zapamtio

Digital Linear Voltage Regulator (DLVR) is an Intel technology that reportedly has the potential to reduce power consumption by up to 25%. Although the technology was present on pre-release Raptor Lake CPUs, Intel disabled it on retail hardware. Per MLID, if DLVR makes its way into RPL-R, it could give Intel some much-needed power headroom to push performance even further

25% manja potrošnja ne znači 25% viši takt,ćemo vidjet,mislim da 13900k/s neće moć iznad 6,5 ghz jer da bude 25% porat performansi na 6 ghz bi značilo 7,5 ghz takt.

Da, DLVR je nastavak FIVR-a koji je implementiran u Haswell eri, ali ga do Skylakea više nije bilo, tak da lako moguće da Intel opet implementira takvo rješenje. 10nm desktop Ice Lake je trebal vratiti FIVR, a znamo kak je to završilo.
Mada, IMHO to i dalje ne mijenja činjenicu da Intel opet mora dodatno pogurati postojeću arhitekturu, dok ne pripreme novu, koja će po svemu sudeći kasniti za Zen 5 konkurencijom.

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Citiraj:

Intel confirms delay in its acquisition of Tower Semiconductor:kafa: Citiraj: Intel's planned purchase of Tower Semiconductor Ltd. has been pushed back by another quarter, as a regulatory decision has not been made by China's State Administration for Market Regulation (SAMR). Intel announced the $5.4 billion deal in mid-February 2022, and set an estimated 12-month window for its completion. It is now one month overdue, with the first quarter of the financial year set to end next week. Intel is hopeful that it will get full regulatory approval by June 2023. In light of SAMR not budging since the suspending of its review of the Intel-Tower merger, Intel Israel has issued a response this week: ""While we continue to work to close the Tower transaction within the first quarter of 2023, the transaction may close in the first half of 2023, subject to certain regulatory approvals and customary closing conditions." Intel appointed Stuart Pann as senior vice president and general manager of Intel Foundry Services (IPS) earlier this week. It has been speculated that company's original plan would have been to place a Tower Semiconductor executive in the that leadership role, but the prospect of a delayed merger caused a change of course and Intel decided to promote from within their own ranks. Izvor: TechPowerUp

Novi planovi koji će se bez ikakve dvojbe obestiniti uz minimalne odgode i potencijalna otkazivanja kompletnih proizvodnih linija, jer Intel sve ovo zapravo već ima spremno.:):D

Takvim Intelovim najavama u zadnje vrijeme vjerujem koliko i proročanstvima Vidovitog Milana.

Just wait.

I to kaj veliš, s tim da kod Milana barem znaš kaj očekivati, dok je situacija kod Intela malo zajebanija, ali lako za to i zajebanciju na stranu, ukoliko išta od ovoga uspiju sprovesti u djelo - dobro bude.:)
Ovo bude zanimljivo, obzirom da je Zen 4c zapravo punokrvni Zen 4, samo kaj su smanjili L3 cache za Zen 4c s 32MB na 16MB, tako da na kraju lakše imaju 16-core CCD/CCX za 128C/256T EPYC Bergamo CPU.:frend:

Intel exiting the server business selling to MiTAC:kafa:
Izvor: ServeTheHome

Na serverskom polju i dalje sve ide po planu i programu, dok se za desktop možda čak i posloži slabiji Meteor Lake CPU, tak da im baš ne propadnu sve jezgre inicijalno namijenjene isključivo mobilnom izdanju.:chears:

Citiraj:

Intel's Meteor Lake CPUs for desktops incoming, but there's a catch:fiju: Citiraj: Intel is on track to release its codenamed Meteor Lake-S processors for desktops in the coming quarters, but there's a catch. The company will only address entry-level and mainstream systems with these CPUs, whereas performance-demanding PCs will have to use Raptor Lake Refresh or Arrow Lake-S processors. It looks as though Intel's Meteor Lake-S processors will only exist in Core i3 and Core i5 models rated for 35W and 65W, which is good enough for compact and standard entry-level and mid-range desktops. Meteor Lake-S will share Intel's Socket V1 (for LGA1851 CPUs) and Intel's 800-series chipset platform with Intel's Arrow Lake-S processors. Meanwhile, motherboards aimed at Arrow Lake-S, which will exist in Core i7 and Core i9 variants for gamers and enthusiasts, will feature considerably more advanced voltage regulating modules to offer maximum performance. You can expect it will be priced accordingly. Izvor: Tom's Hardware

https://wccftech.com/intel-posts-its...-sinking-ship/

Ouch, to je rezultat svih tih promašaja od proizvoda, odgoda, puno obečanja i pričanja, malo dela itd.

IMHO sve je to samo manji dio unaprijed pomno zacrtanog, ali itekako većeg procesa kodnog naziva P.L.A.N._i_P.R.O.G.R.A.M.:):D, pa iako se čini da je firma u krugovima stručLJaka poznata po rekordnim zaradama u nekoj vrsti financijske nedaće - ne treba vjerovati ovim zajedljivim bombastičnim naslovima diljem Interneta, jer Intel samo čeka pravi trenutak da se iz sjene kao narodCki heroj vrate kak i priliči, te obrišu pod sa svom zapravo nebitnom konkurencijom. Možda se čini da je Intel kao firma lagano izgubila kompas, ali to je zapravo njihova strategija iskovana još tamo davne 2017., a prvi plodovi se upravo naziru, jer neprijatelj nikad ne spava i uvijek treba očekivati neočekivano. I onda kad se najmanje nadamo, Intel će kad za to stigne pravi trenutak, svima pokazati i dokazati tko je najboljiJi ikad u povijesti, samo treba imati strpljenja, jer gdje ima volje ima i načina.:hitthewal::roller:
Krf ti Isusovu, oni su u samo pet godina došli do ovakvog stanja, a imali su apsolutno nikakvu konkurenciju, koja bi ih na bilo koji način sputavala da postignu kaj god ih volja, ali ne - ajmo stajati na mjestu više od desetljeća.:stoopid::fiju:

Možemo mi mrziti Jensena, no on je direktor svemira za ove mamlaze iz Intela.

Da, nije uopće sporno, a kak je krenulo još bude Intel divizija unutar nVidije.

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Citiraj:

The Beginning of the Bottom For Intel’s Datacenter Business:kafa: Citiraj: "Notably missing from Intel's financial report was any mention of its Accelerated Computing Systems and Graphics (AXG) group. The division has suffered repeated setbacks over the past few months. Client and datacenter products from the company's former AXG business had been absorbed by the company's DCAI and CCG groups, likely inflating their revenues in the process. We have said that AXG was created solely to keep the heavy investments in GPU technology from hitting the operating income of the DC&AI and CCG groups, and now that AXG has been sliced up and jammed into them, you can see the effect on the operating income is not good. Considering how profitable Data Center Group was for so long, this is a bit of a shock to the Intel financial system and to its ego. It would have been better for Intel to have remembered that it needed to keep pace with Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co with process nodes and with investments in its foundry. "

Jebeno, čak i kad stjuniraju brojke izgleda loše, a kamoli da stvari prikažu kak spada.:stoopid:

Pa Jensen je THE direktor u ITu IMHO.
Možemo se zezati na jaknu i špatule, ali čovjek zna zarađivati lovu. :chears:

Intel vode PR, marketing i ekonomisti, dok im se aktualni direktor sjeća kak je to bilo biti inženjer prije 30 godina. nVidia i AMD su pod palicom konkretnih tehnički potkovanih ljudi.

To se i vidi po rezultatima, Intelu je nekad moglo prolaziti oslanjanje na marketinški tim, blaćenje AMD-a itd, no s probuđenim AMD-om to više ne mogu, sada se moraju osloniti na inženjerski tim, a to nije lako, traži vremena kojeg nestaje jer AMD ne usporava.

Nastavno na temu odličnog marketinga, Intel stručLJaci sve skupa pojačavaju na 11 i nema nikakve greške u tom naumu.:hitthewal:

Kakav je A380 u usporedbi s radeon 680m? MTL iGPU će kako god imati dobar boost u performansama, no i RDNA 2 je daleko ispred njihovog trenutnog rješenja, a kamoli RDNA 3.

U najboljem slučaju Intel A380 i Radeon 680M iGPU su tu negdje, ali zajeb je u tome da A380 svakak treba ReBAR, makar kak god se okrene RDNA 3 780M iGPU je sasvim druga galaksija u odnosu na A380.