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Ispada da je i9 13900k najbolji procesor po efikasnosti.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4Bm...nel=der8auerEN

Baš suprotno od onoga što tvrdi većina influencera.

The Exiled

21.10.2022. 09:44

Intel Takes the Throne: i5-13600K CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. AMD Ryzen:chears:

The Sensible Option - Core i7-13700K vs. Ryzen 7 7700X, Benchmarks, Power & Thermals:goood:

AMD Needs To Cut Prices - Intel Core i5-13600K vs. R5 7600X, Benchmarks, Power & Thermals:kafa:
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Intel CEO announces targeted job cuts in wake of lower margins:fiju:

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Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger said on Thursday announced that the company would soon undergo a round of "targeted cuts." As reported by Oregon Live, the CEO took to a video conference with company employees where he described the cuts as necessary in the wake of high costs and low margins on the myriad of products Intel develops, manufactures and distributes.* The cutbacks aim to reduce Intel's operational expenses to and unlock a way back to profitability. This is happening just months after Intel and other semiconductor companies were awarded a cool $52 billion in government subsidies in the U.S. alone.

Word on the wire estimates Intel may be looking to cut as much as 20% of its workforce in certain divisions, including sales and marketing - equating to thousands of employees out of the company's ~121 thousand employed in 53 countries around the globe. The need to rationalize its operational costs likely stems from the utter beating of Intel shares in just a year, with the company's stock valuation dropping by 50% on the back of a particularly intense macroeconomic pressure. The decline happened even as Intel sought more and more governmental funding - something Pat Gelsinger himself said might have negatively impacted the company's execution.

That impact on execution and the worldwide demand decline for Intel's products was plain to see on the company's Q2 earning reports, where Intel posted a $454 million loss against a clean $5 billion profit during Q2 2021. And considering the current state of the global semiconductor market, Intel's revenue for Q3 2022 could see a further 15% decline. However, Intel isn't the only tech giant grappling with these issues. AMD recently corrected its revenue projections with an expected $1.1 billion decline for Q3, nVidia revised its estimates with a $1.4 billion reduction of its own, and Apple reportedly cut component orders for its latest iPhone 14 product by as much as 90%. But while Intel has now confirmed it's going the layoff route, AMD and nVidia - two companies left out of the U.S. government's $52 billion subsidy and equally affected by the market turmoil - still haven't announced anything to that effect.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

Splitska Posla

22.10.2022. 16:01

Pogledao sam HuB-ov review 13600K. Intelov entry level procesor u produkcijskim benchmarcima lagano pobjeđuje prošlogodišnjeg AMD-ovog high end 16 jezgrenog prvijenca. A uz to je u startu duplo jeftiniji.

Steve ispravno zaključuje da AMD treba smanjiti cijene 7600X na 200 dolara da bi bio konkurentan. Eto što dobiješ kad pokušavaš pobjediti Intel u njihovoj igri.

Mladenxy

22.10.2022. 16:37

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Autor Splitska Posla (Post 3632334)

Eto što dobiješ kad pokušavaš pobjediti Intel u njihovoj igri.

Dobiješ Intel i Intel 2

The Exiled

22.10.2022. 16:48

"Njihova igra" - više od desetljeća stajati na mjestu i onda unutar 5 godina brže-bolje probati sve živo i neživo, proći kroz 3 generalna direktora, preći na TSMC i istovremeno tražiti državne subvencije i poticaje uz najavu nekoliko (desetaka) tisuća otkaza.:):D Dobro da šrot AMD nije propal, jer inače ne bi bilo ovoga kaj Intel sad nudi po tim cijenama, a opet s druge strane mnogi su priželjkivali tu propast, jer eto - to je onda najbolje za sve. Ili još "bolja očekivanja", da AMD uvijek bude budžet šrot, ali opet nek na neku foru bez novaca izabce nešto kaj bude natjeralo Intel i nVidiju da izda svoje najbolje, pa da se onda opet može kupiti Intel i nVidia. To su samo neka od aktualnih razmišljanja razočaranih kupaca koje su obje (tri) firme prevarile kad nisu dale budžet gaming procesore i kartice, a to i samo to je ono kaj je bitno.:kafa:

Mladenxy

22.10.2022. 16:57

meni je jedino to bitno, da su jeftini i da na meni zarade minimalno ili ništa. Ak im se ne sviđa nek stave ključ u bravu a ja bum našao novi hobi, pecanje riba :D

The Exiled

22.10.2022. 17:01

Ne znaju oni da mi uopće postojimo, kamoli da li nam pašu cijene i ponuda, a obje (tri) firme danas nude čude tehnike kakva nismo ni mogli sanjati.:)

Eladio

22.10.2022. 19:02

Intel igra kroz brute force da odrzi marketing i nada se uzet best buy i dobiti na vremenu.. i to im nekako uspjeva od 10te a pogotovo 12te generacije..
Zašto im AMD to olako dozvoljava je pitanje na mjestu. Pogotovo iz perspektive tradicionalnog amd kupca koji je navikao i na budget best buy ponudu a ne samo high end..
U svakom slučaju drago mi je da ima fajta, postoji nada da ipak bude korekcija cijena :o

The Exiled

22.10.2022. 19:19

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Autor Eladio (Post 3632371)

Nije da im to AMD dopušta, već su masne pare u enterprise svijetu gdje je AMD sad itekakv izbor, a budžet procesori za mase su im ko zna koja rupa na svirali.

6C/12T procesori su postali ono kaj su nekad biti 4C/4T ili 4C/8T, a jedan 13600K ili 7900X su IMHO jako fini izbor za godine koje slijede.:chears:

Ryzen 5 7600X ne bi trebal koštati više od kakvih 150$, ali čak i uz Raptor Lake, AMD neće tak brzo složiti takvu cijenu. Nažalost.

demetrius

22.10.2022. 19:26

očekivano 3200 i5 13600k kod nas vani mislim caseking 2900 isto preskupo,znači isto ponavljamo do daljnjeg ili ryzen 5600/X ili i5 12400 dok čekamo cjenu i review 13400 ili drastičan pad cjena mislim na ispod 2500 za 7600x/13600k.

ansha

22.10.2022. 19:31

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3632378)

Ryzen 5 7600X ne bi trebal koštati više od kakvih 150$, ali čak i uz Raptor Lake, AMD neće tak brzo složiti takvu cijenu. Nažalost.

To je jedino na njihovu zalost posto ce im prodaja biti katastrofalna ako ove cijene ostanu...

ansha

22.10.2022. 19:33

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Autor demetrius (Post 3632379)

Ne stavljaj 7600X i 13600K u isti kos, 13600K se usporedjuje sa 7700X tako da je cijena u odnosu na AMD vrlo konkurentna.

Splitska Posla

22.10.2022. 21:43

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Autor Mladenxy (Post 3632337)

Dobiješ Intel i Intel 2

Jes...

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3632339)

pae. I ja bi tako radio da uništim mrski AMD.

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3632343)

Ne znaju oni da mi uopće postojimo, kamoli da li nam pašu cijene i ponuda, a obje (tri) firme danas nude čude tehnike kakva nismo ni mogli sanjati.https://forum.pcekspert.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Meni je do 2018-te na quad coreu sve letilo za web development. Doduše na linuksima i ssd-ju. A danas tri godine star osmojezgreni zen2 više nitko niti ne spominje u benchmarkima. Šmrc.

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Autor ansha (Post 3632382)

To je jedino na njihovu zalost posto ce im prodaja biti katastrofalna ako ove cijene ostanu...

Da. Što će se vjerojatno odrazit na marketing. Na kraju će od Ryzena ostati "samo amd" https://forum.pcekspert.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

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Autor ansha (Post 3632383)

Ne stavljaj 7600X i 13600K u isti kos, 13600K se usporedjuje sa 7700X tako da je cijena u odnosu na AMD vrlo konkurentna.

Pa 13600K je pregazio 7700X u skoro svim produkcijskim benchmarkima. A i jeftiniji je bar ovdje kod nas.

Eladio

22.10.2022. 21:44

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Autor The Exiled (Post 3632378)

Uopće ne sumnjam da je tako neka analiza ih usmjerila.. ali dojma sam da su trebali ganjat oboje i ne dati intelu olako prostora za comeback..
Očito su uvjereni da imaju sve pod kontrolom, pare se vrte, a zen4x3d, zen5, zen5x3d itd. im daju tu sigurnost u godine koje dolaze..
Ne znam naravno hrpu detalja da razumijem kompromis zašto ostavljaju tu rupu, da li je veliki stock zen3 na zalihi, da li ionako prodaju sve sto imaju i dok proizvodnja ne skoci nemaju ni interes gurat zen4 itd itd itd
Ali tu su gdje jesu. Ovih zadnjih par godina nikako da poentiraju u smislu marketsharea kod nas nebitnih u desktop svijetu i nikako da ubrzaju svoju mobilnu/laptop platformu koja uvijek kasni pol godine - godinu i također je bitna za ovaj manje bitni marketshare..

Kožnatom skidam kapu, on to ne bi tako tolerirao, cipelario bi athlonima celerone ako treba, ali ne bi toliraro da je drugi jasna opcija kao sto je trenutno intel kada govorimo o ovom nekom mainstream gejmingu, koji je marketinški itekako glasan i u tom smislu Intel je itekako u igri (a ne bi trebao biti).. :stoopid:

The Exiled

22.10.2022. 22:15

AMD-ov marketing je općenito loš, pa kad imaju odlične proizvode ne znaju to pravilno promovirati, a kad imaju loše proizvode, utope se u vlastitim sranjima. Intelov marketing pak lupa ko Maks po diviziji neovisno o kakvom proizvodu je riječ, a nedavni ARC GPU je najbolji primjer. I bojim se da se to nikad neće promijeniti. Mada opet AMD unatoč i usprkos svemu i samom sebi, u CPU i GPU segmentima itekako konkurira s puno većim firmama (Intel i nVidia) koje često imaju više novaca za marketing, nego je vrijednost cijelog AMD-a.:):D

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Intel Core i9-13900K may be up to 25% slower on older Z690 motherboards (vs. Z790):kafa:

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Intel’s 13th Gen flagship may be slower when paired with the Z690s than the newly launched Z790 motherboards. Benchmarks conducted by @aschilling show that the Core i9-13900K loses up to 25% performance when coupled with the ASUS ROG Z690 Hero (BIOS 2103). In Cinebench R23 (multi-threaded), the 13900K scores 38,288 points using a Z790 board. Switching to the Z690 pushes it down to 28,911 points. A drop of precisely 25%. Blender, another rendering workload, exhibits similar results. With the 700 series chipset, it completes the task in 209 seconds which gets stretched to 209 seconds with the Z690. Finally, we have Y-Cruncher, a complex math workload. The delta between the CPU performance on the two boards is relatively minor here, albeit still measurable. The Z790 performs the calculation in 10.12 secs edging past the Z690 by 1.8 seconds. It’s worth noting that these tests include only one Z690 board, and further testing will be required to make a definite conclusion.

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The problem has now been confirmed by several users from the community with the same hardware combination. ASUS has been informed about it.

Izvor: HardwareLUXX

The Exiled

28.10.2022. 10:53

Gelsinger takes ax(e) to Intel after chip sales slump, profit nosedives:kafa:

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Intel plans to lay off a "meaningful number" of employees and dump some products as part of a massive reduction in spending the chipmaker expects will reach up to $10 billion annually by 2025. Intel Graphics Division’s operating loss grew to $378 million in Q3, Xeon Data Center income down by 99%. The American semiconductor giant said the spending cuts were necessary due to what CEO Pat Gelsinger said were "worsening economic conditions" that caused its PC and server processor revenues to plunge in the double digits in the third quarter of 2022. Profitability also nosedived. Gelsinger said Intel plans to reduce costs by $3 billion annually starting next year, and that will grow to between $8 billion and $10 billion annually by 2025. The chipmaker is looking to save money in other ways. This includes "portfolio cuts, right-sizing our support organizations, more stringer cost controls in all aspects of our spending, and improved sales and marketing efficiency."

"Portfolio cuts" is one way of Intel saying that it plans to ax some products it makes and sells. Before and during Gelsinger's time as CEO, the company has been offloading or killing certain businesses. This includes the Optane memory business, which Intel ditched in July, and its drone entertainment unit, which the x86 giant recently sold to Elon Musk's brother. Just this week, Intel's Mobileye automotive business became a publicly traded company once again. Intel also expects to save money by decoupling its hardware and software design teams from its chip manufacturing business as part of Gelsinger's much-discussed IDM 2.0 strategy.

Izvor: The Register, AnandTech i HPCwire

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Yields of Intel Sapphire Rapids processors are low, mass production to start in 1H2023:kafa:

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Intel's upcoming Sapphire Rapids processors have faced multiple delays over the past few years. Built on Intel 7 manufacturing process, the CPU is supposed to bring new advances for Intel's clients and significant performance uplifts. However, TrendForce reports that the mass production of Sapphire Rapids processors will be delayed from Q4 of 2022 to the first half of 2023. The reason for this (yet another) delay is that the Sapphire Rapids MCC die is facing a meager yield on Intel 7 manufacturing technology, estimated to be at only 50-60% at the time of writing. Economically, this die-yielding percentage is not profitable for Intel since many dies are turning out to be defective.

This move will stop many OEMs and cloud service providers (CSPs) from rolling out products based on the Sapphire Rapids design and will have to delay it until next year's mass production. On the contrary, AMD is likely to reap the benefits of Intel's delay, and AMD's x86 server market share will jump from 15% in 2022 to 23% in 2023. Given that AMD ships processors with the highest core counts, many companies will opt for AMD's solutions in their data centers. With more companies being concerned by their TCO measures with rising energy costs, favors fall in the hand of single-socket servers.

The source also cites that Intel has supply issues with low-end FPGA devices made by its Altera division that affect shipments of dual-socket systems. As a replacement, these dual-socket systems use Lattice CPLDs, which are also in low supply. This is why many CSPs and OEMs are now turning their heads to AMD and its solutions that are simpler to operate and have lower TCO. TrendForce thus predicts that AMD CPUs will reach a 25% market share in Q4 of 2023, with an annual growth rate of 7%.

Izvor: TechPowerUp, The Register i ComputerBase

Splitska Posla

01.11.2022. 16:33

Uspijeh se ne događa preko noći. Porođajne muke oko proizvodnje najmoćnijeg procesora na svijetu nisu iznenađenje. Intel će to jamačno prebroditi a moćni Xeoni će preplaviti serverski svijet.

Sn4k3

01.11.2022. 17:27

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Autor Splitska Posla (Post 3634420)

Izgleda da se ni gramatika ne događa preko noći, piše se uspjeh... :D

A ta "vidoviti Milan" predviđanja slušamo na sva zvona od strane bRayana Šrota i ostale ekipe - no nikako da se ostvare.
Vrijeme će pokazati hoće li se Intel vratiti i ako se vrati, koliko će to utjecati na serversko tržište... :fiju:

The Exiled

01.11.2022. 17:53

"Najmoćniji procesor na svijetu" je trebal biti na tržištu otprije dvije godine, tj. u vrijeme kada je AMD izbacil EYPC Milan, jer to mu je (bila) direktna konkurencija.

Dobro bude, ako naposljetku uopće išta izađe, jer su EPYC Zen 4 Genoa i Bergamo klasa za sebe, a već i 128C/256T ARM rješenja imaju prednost u odnosu na Xeon.

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HPE ProLiant Gen11 servers with AMD Genoa announced:frend:

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HPE ProLiant Gen11 servers featuring 4th Generation AMD EPYC processors will be available to order worldwide starting on November 10.

https://i.postimg.cc/XNFNSQrS/HPE-AMD-EPYC-Genoa.png

Dr. Strange

01.11.2022. 18:19

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Autor Splitska Posla (Post 3634420)

Nick ti savrseno opisuje karakter, i fanboyizam ti je jako los, poradi na taktici.

Splitska Posla

01.11.2022. 21:18

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Autor Dr. Strange (Post 3634449)

Nick ti savrseno opisuje karakter, i fanboyizam ti je jako los, poradi na taktici.

Uopće nisam nikakav fanboy Intela kao što nisam ni fanboy Hajduka koji je vječno drugi. Kao i AMD na desktopu u igrama. To je jednostavno činjenica.

AMD ima ponešto brže servere ali načuo sam da Epyc Milan ima 50-ak sigurnosnih propusta samo ove godine.

The Exiled

01.11.2022. 21:25

Puno toga ti čuješ, pa tako i vijesti stare godinu dana da ih lakše protumačiš kak ti paše.:chears:

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AMD published three security bulletins yesterday addressing the security vulnerabilities affecting its EPYC processors and the Radeon graphics driver for Windows 10. Although many are marked High severity, they are mitigated with a driver update and AGESA packages. In response to the exploits, AMD distributed the the NaplesPI-SP3_1.0.0.G, RomePI-SP3_1.0.0.C and MilanPI-SP3_1.0.0.4 AGESA updates to its OEM partners. If you're running one of AMD's EPYC chips, you should contact your OEM for the update.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

I na kraju dana sve to ne mijenja činjenicu da Sapphire Rapids Xeon ponuda kasni do te mjere da će biti izdana reda-radi, slično kao i ARC GPU - koji se dan-danas ne može kupiti.

AMD i ARM, dok Intela nema nigdje na vidiku, jer gle čuda, nemaju ništa, obzirom da im sve kasni, a i kad stigne, nude performanse unatrag par generacija u odnosu na konkurenciju.

https://i.postimg.cc/YSS8yQcG/HPE-Pr...n11-Lineup.jpg

Dr. Strange

01.11.2022. 21:51

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Autor Splitska Posla (Post 3634510)

Intel na dnevnoj bazi ima 50 sigurnosnih propusta, to je feature kod njih, kod AMD-a problem.

Dr. Strange

01.11.2022. 21:57

Klasični meltdown kod Intel fanboysa, vjerojatno prijatelj od našeg dragog kolege zwera: http://forum.pcekspert.com/showthrea...75#post3558675

Disco

02.11.2022. 09:27

TLDR; RPL se prodaje osjetno bolje od Zen4, ali Zen3 se i dalje prodaje debelo najbolje.

spawn

02.11.2022. 12:30

https://youtu.be/2ehSCWoaOqQ

Zanimljivo kako su ga pustili unutra da napravi jedan lagani Tour de Intel

Sn4k3

02.11.2022. 12:34

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Autor Bruno_Rv (Post 3634606)

https://youtu.be/2ehSCWoaOqQ

Zanimljivo kako su ga pustili unutra da napravi jedan lagani Tour de Intel

Da, čista promocija :fiju:... Btw, taj video i nije baš nov, ima cca 5-6 mjeseci da je uploadan.

The Exiled

02.11.2022. 13:13

Linus kao etalon kredibiliteta, vjerodostojnosti i objektivnosti, samo da bi na kraju cijela promo kampanja pala u vodu, jer Intel odgađa ceremoniju, sve dok država nije dala pare.:):D

virty

02.11.2022. 13:22

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Autor Dr. Strange (Post 3634449)

Nick ti savrseno opisuje karakter, i fanboyizam ti je jako los, poradi na taktici.

A da mu je nick recimo Zagrebačka posla, bi li bi mu i tada nick savršeno opisivao karakter? Čisto me zanima 🙂

Poslano sa A52S 5G

Exy	02.11.2022. 13:53

Da li se zna kad dolaze 13400,13500? Hoće li biti ove godine ili se Intel još nije izjasnio?

Disco

02.11.2022. 14:08

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Autor Exy (Post 3634623)

Da li se zna kad dolaze 13400,13500? Hoće li biti ove godine ili se Intel još nije izjasnio?

Nisu niš rekli, nagađa se u prvom kvartalu '23-e.

Exy	02.11.2022. 17:19

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Autor Disco (Post 3634625)

Nisu niš rekli, nagađa se u prvom kvartalu '23-e.

Tako dakle, znači vjerojatno ništa ove godine.
Naletio baš na cpu-z od 13400

https://videocardz.com/newz/unreleas...ested-in-cpu-z

Marginalno je brži od 12400 u ST, ima 4 male jezgre tako da je MT jasno viši. Ali sad vidim da ovi Intel muljatori planiraju te slabije 13xxx procove bazirati na alder lake jezgrama, ne na raptor lake-u :D. Zanimljivo

Mladenxy

02.11.2022. 17:50

Pa to trubimo već mjesecima, sad i na socijalnom i5 moraš platiti male jezgre, kao da ti to sranje treba u životu :D
Ryzen 5600 za 1250 kn i prst u uho. Za par godina X3D kad mu dropne cijena na soma i pol i tjeraj dalje. Ploče se još uvijek nađu za 800 kn.

Dr. Strange

02.11.2022. 20:58

Nek naprave 12 P jezgri i kupujem ih bez obzira na cijenu, na ove šrot e jezgre ne želim bacat novac.

Odinarius

02.11.2022. 21:31

Meni je i dalje najbolja fora ovaj tjedan kad ih je Bulldzoid nazvao Cinebench akceleratorima :)
A Meteor Lake dolazi sa samo 6P.

Dominus

02.11.2022. 22:53

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Autor Mladenxy (Post 3634676)

Ja tu vidim priliku, neka taj i5 13400 sjedne na mjesto sadasnjeg i5 12400, a taj 12400 neka padne na 1300kn i win win.

The Exiled

09.11.2022. 19:28

Intel Introduces Xeon Max & Data Center GPU Max Series:kafa:

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With SC2022 kicking off next week and AMD set to unveil their next-generation server processors tomorrow, Intel is using today to announce the Xeon Max Series and the Data Center GPU Max Series. The Intel Xeon CPU Max Series is their product branding for the CPUs formerly known as the Sapphire Rapids HBM parts for featuring onboard HBM2 memory. Intel is reaffirming today as part of the Xeon CPU Max Series that the initial parts will feature up to 56 P-cores, up to a 350 Watt TDP, CXL 1.1 support, and 20 accelerator engines built-in. Very exciting is the Xeon Max Series will feature up to 64GB of HBM2e memory using four stacks of 16GB HBMe2. The Xeon Max Series should yield around 1TB/s of effective memory bandwidth and provide more than 1GB of HBM memory per CPU core. It's also interesting Intel confirmed that these Xeon Max Series processors will be able to boot simply by themselves and do not need any DDR5 system memory attached.

The Xeon Max Series can run in HBM-only memory mode without any additional memory, an HBM Flat mode where there are two memory regions shared with the DDR5 DIMMs, and then lastly an HBM caching mode where HBM acts as a cache for the main DDR5 system memory. The Intel Xeon CPU Max Series looks very promising but no word today on pricing or availability and will be very interesting to put the hardware through its paces for a wide range of workloads for independent analysis to see how it stacks up, especially against AMD's imminent EPYC Genoa launch. The specs and performance claims are exciting while sadly lacking is the pricing and availability -- hopefully we'll learn more positive news in January.

Izvor: Phoronix i ServeTheHome (1 - 2)

Disco

10.11.2022. 15:33

Izgleda da Intel sprema strelu za AMD...ali tek za '24 H2, do tada tko živ, tko mrtav: