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JuiceBox 13.07.2022. 21:58

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The Exiled 13.07.2022. 22:13

Da, opet što viši takt uz što veću potrošnju, a konkretnog pomaka u arhitekturi zapravo i nema. Nešto veći L2 + L3 cache uz duplo više manjih šparnih jezgri i to je to.:chears:

Taproot7 14.07.2022. 22:08

idealan procesor za vrijeme koje je pred nama sa nikad manjim cijenama energije. i9 13900K i rtx 4090 u paru će pretvarati sva zlatna i platinasta top end napajanja do 1000w u otpad.

The Exiled 17.07.2022. 19:29

Sve u svemu super.:):D
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"Intel Core i9-13900K Raptor Lake CPU gaming & synthetic performance benchmarks leaked, 5% faster than Core i9-12900K on average. The 13900K offers just the kind of performance gains you’d expect from a refresh. On average, it’s 3% to 7% faster than the Core i9-12900K gaming depending on the resolution. 1440p or QHD sees the most improvement in averages, gaining 7% over the Alder Lake flagship. At 1080p, it’s faster by 4.46% with 4K seeing a paltry 3% increase. The Intel Core i9-13900K consumes up to 52% higher in games than the Core i9-12900K and an average of 20% higher power consumption. This means that the next-gen Raptor Lake CPU lineup is going to be more power-hungry than Alder Lake, even in games."
Izvor: Lolek i Bolek

spawn 17.07.2022. 22:05

Pa dobro nije to nista novo. Intel to radi vec 20 godina. Jedna generacija veliki upgrade, sljedeća mali, pa opet veliki itd.

The Exiled 17.07.2022. 22:34

Da, ali u proteklih 20 godina su samo Conroe, Sandy Bridge i sada Alder Lake bili uistinu nove arhitekture, mada smo od 2006. do 2017. zapravo imali tick-tock stagnaciju i varijaciju na temu.

Nadolazeći Meteor Lake će biti prvi pravi Intel chiplet/tiles dizajn, ali i s tim će opet imati 8P-core + xxE-core kombinaciju, ali budemo vidjeli kak bude sve skupa na kraju ispalo.

Kaj se Raptor Lakea tiče, tu je nažalost sve jasno, mada lako za desktop, problem je kaj hibridni big.LITTLE pristup nije idealan ni za mobilna rješenja.
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The Intel Core i7 1280P is a 14 core / 20 thread part consisting of six performance (P) cores and eight efficient (E) cores. The Core i7 1280P had an average reported power draw via PowerCap/RAPL sysfs of 35 Watts with a peak of 107 Watts. That was much higher than the similarly performing Ryzen 7 PRO 5850U with a 22 Watt average during the same benchmarks and a peak of just 47 Watts. Ryzen 9 5900HX was the fastest 51% of the time while the Core i7 1280P was the fastest 41% of the time. For heavily threaded workloads like code compilation, CPU-based renderers, image/video encoding and the like, the Core i7 1280P had a tough time competing with even the AMD Cezanne parts tested but when it came to single-threaded performance for Python scripting, web browser workloads, and other lightly-threaded creator workloads the Alder Lake P processor did perform very well under Linux. The raw performance was great in those areas but did come with significant power costs and generally fell behind in power efficiency.

stitrek 18.07.2022. 01:15

i3 13100 vjerovatno nece ni izlaziti isto kao sto je bio slucaj sa i3 kod 11th gen.

14th gen Meteor Lake ce biti nekakav pomak s kojim ce konkurirati naspram AM5.

Mladenxy 22.07.2022. 21:25




https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i5-13600k-14-core-cpu-is-almost-as-fast-as-ryzen-9-5950x-in-leaked-geekbench-mulit-core-test


spawn 22.07.2022. 23:36

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Da, ali u proteklih 20 godina su samo Conroe, Sandy Bridge i sada Alder Lake bili uistinu nove arhitekture, mada smo od 2006. do 2017. zapravo imali tick-tock stagnaciju i varijaciju na temu.

Nadolazeći Meteor Lake će biti prvi pravi Intel chiplet/tiles dizajn, ali i s tim će opet imati 8P-core + xxE-core kombinaciju, ali budemo vidjeli kak bude sve skupa na kraju ispalo.

Kaj se Raptor Lakea tiče, tu je nažalost sve jasno, mada lako za desktop, problem je kaj hibridni big.LITTLE pristup nije idealan ni za mobilna rješenja.

Mene kao korisnika zanima samo bang for the buck. Profesionalce koji zarađuju s jakim procesorima/platrormama/kompletima zanima samo top sa što manje potrosnje i grijanja.Ako nije neki upgrade, preskače se, ako se isplati ,uzima se novo. Arhitektura kao takva je samo za raspravu uz kavu ,sve ostalo je manje bitno. Imho naravno

The Exiled 22.07.2022. 23:51

Obični (non-K) Raptor Lake Core i5 i Core i3 modeli koji stižu u proljeće 2023. budu vrlo vjerojatno opet ponudili najbolji omjer uloženog i dobivenog u kombinaciji s B660 DDR4 pločama. Kaj se arhitekture tiče, nažalost, vidjeli smo kak to prolazi s Bulldozerom, pa kad ne valja, ne valja uzduž i poprijeko kak god da se okrene. I onda imamo poplavu kojekakvih procurenih informacija gdje se Raptor Lake vrti na sumanutim taktovima uz još žešću potrošnju, da lakše ima "~10%" bolje performanse u usporedbi sa sada dvije godine starim Zen 3 modelima, dok je Zen 4 prava konkurencija i još k tome izlazi dobrih mjesec dana prije. Intel opet i po ko zna koji put ima istu taktiku, nasvirati sve do ibera i pustiti marketing da odradi svoje.

Taproot7 23.07.2022. 00:50

kome je raptor lake namjenjen? oni koji imaju 12400F sto njima treba bolje od toga. oni koji imaju ryzen 5600x pa navise sto njima treba bolje od toga. ovo je proizvod za ispoljavanje mrznje glupana na internetu. prijatelj ima i3 12100 i odlican je za 90 plus posto svih danasnjih potreba a sve ovo ostalo je bacanje novaca. tko voli nek izvoli moje novce intel nece vidjeti osim ako ne bude opet kombinacija procesor+ploca za manje od 2000 kakvu koristim.

BinaryJesus 23.07.2022. 06:02

i3-12100f je trenutno najbolji bang for the buck tko kupuje novi komp sada. AMD je izgleda odlučio napustiti entry level jer samo prodaju poluproizvode kao R5 5500 koji su još uvijek preskupi s obzirom na to koliko su okljaštreni.

robee 23.07.2022. 10:09

i3 12100 je odlican cpu za ok lovu ali problem je sto nema jeftinih itx ploca :(

tuxbox 23.07.2022. 11:40

Da, to je isplativije nego 10100f, čak i za nas štedljivce

Taproot7 23.07.2022. 13:06

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i3-12100f je trenutno najbolji bang for the buck tko kupuje novi komp sada. AMD je izgleda odlučio napustiti entry level jer samo prodaju poluproizvode kao R5 5500 koji su još uvijek preskupi s obzirom na to koliko su okljaštreni.

amd je konkurentan samo zato jer sve procesori idu na sve ploce i one od prije 5 godina kao i sto 5900x radi na novoj ploci od 500kn jednako kao na ploci od 3000kn. intel vise nema tu praksu i ploce za 500 kuna su smece pa kad se sve zbroji amd je isplativiji ali ryzen 5500 je prevara od procesora.

The Exiled 23.07.2022. 13:57

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i3 12100 je odlican cpu za ok lovu ali problem je sto nema jeftinih itx ploca :(

Core i3-12100 je odličan procesor i s cijenom od kakvih 800 kn stvarno predstavlja super omjer uloženog i dobivenog, ali nažalost općenita cijena budžet B660 ploča (neovisno o formatu) poput npr. ASRock B660M-HDV je tragikomična, pa na kraju ispada da za ploču koja realno vrijedi kakvih 400 kn, zapravo treba dati duplo više i onda kombinacija Intel Core i3-12100 + ASRock B660M-HDV ispada minimalno 1.600 kn. Ryzen 5 5500 je s cijenom od kojih 1.000 kn istinabog nepotrebno skuplji od Core i3-12100 modela, ali istovremeno paše na ploču tipa MSI B450 Tomahawk Max II koja se nađe nova za ~650 kn, pa na kraju Intel i AMD opcije koštaju iste nofce, s tim da AM4 platforma podržava sve živo i neživo unatrag posljednjih 5 godina. Nažalost, Intel i s nadolazećim Mateor Lake modelima opet ide na skroz novi LGA-1851 socket uz tak jasno pripadajuće čipsete i isključivo DDR5 podršku i koliko god je super da Alder Lake i Raptor Lake podržavaju DDR4, Intel se pobrinul da njihova platforma ne poživi pretjerano dugo.

Mladenxy 23.07.2022. 14:31

Da, samo kaj je AMD to omogućio jučer, dok su mnogi u međuvremenu na žalost, zamijenili svoje B350 ploče sa B450 i B550 jer nisu dobili informaciju od AMD-a na vrijeme.
GIGABYTE B660M DS3H je 900 kn, realno 300 kn pre skupa ali opet za kombo sa i3 12100F ili i5 12400F vrlo dobar izbor i isplativ kombo.
Problem je kaj je Intel najavio povećanje cijena za 20%...nije im dosta osam milijardi dolara zarade u zadnjem kvartalu, pohlepna gamad.

The Exiled 23.07.2022. 14:49

Da i ja sam jedan od tih je koji je nakon skoro četiri godine zamijenil B350 ploču s tada novom B450 i sad na obje paše sve od prvih Zen do aktualnih Zen 3 modela. AMD je zajedno s MBO OEM društvom koji ionako imaju najviše koristi od toga, lako mogel, baš kao i Intel svake godine staviti novi čipset i novi socket ili pak umjetno napraviti segmentaciju postojećih i ništa ne bi bilo kompatibilno, tak da je na kraju još i dobro ispalo, koliko god se pederski činilo, opet je to daleko od ovoga kaj Intel radi zadnjih 15 godina i po svemu sudeći, nemaju namjeru prestati s konstantnim izmjenama i uvijek novim platformama, socketima i čipsetima. Kaj se pak rekordnih zarada i podizanja cijena tiče, obzirom na ciganjenje ekipe (Pat Gelsinger, Raja Koduri i Ryan Shrout) koja je zadužena za nove proizvode, ništa me više ne čudi, jer to je sve čisti marketing koji se svim silama trudi prezentirati kao da su tehnički potkovani stručnjaci.
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AMD, nVidia shut out as Intel eyes $52 Billion CHIPS Act windfall:kafa:
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Intel is expanding its lobbying spend as it tries to convince the US government to pass the CHIPS Act, which would open $52 billion in funding to boost chip production in the US. The chipmaking giant spent $1.75 million on federal lobbying during Q2 of 2022, which represents a notable percentage increase compared with the same period last year when it spent approximately $1 million. The previous highest sum spent by Intel was apparently $1.43 million, and that was during opening three months of this year.
Izvor: The Register i Tom's Hardware


Taproot7 23.07.2022. 23:55

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Da, samo kaj je AMD to omogućio jučer, dok su mnogi u međuvremenu na žalost, zamijenili svoje B350 ploče sa B450 i B550 jer nisu dobili informaciju od AMD-a na vrijeme.
GIGABYTE B660M DS3H je 900 kn, realno 300 kn pre skupa ali opet za kombo sa i3 12100F ili i5 12400F vrlo dobar izbor i isplativ kombo.
Problem je kaj je Intel najavio povećanje cijena za 20%...nije im dosta osam milijardi dolara zarade u zadnjem kvartalu, pohlepna gamad.

na vrijeme kazes a 18 mjeseci su cekali da ljudima to kazu od jasnog ne do jasnog i sretnog da. onaj glupi robert iz amda je to predstavio kao dar s nebesa. pretpostavljam da se nas dvoje necemo skoro upgradeati sa comet lake procesora jer ne mislimo sponzorirati pohlebnu dubrad. socket 1700 ploce su precjenjene bas za tih 20 posto za koliko ce poskupiti i procesori.

robee 24.07.2022. 08:06

Znaci nema srece ni u jednom taboru :)
Kupis taj i3 12100 za 850kn i treba ti jos 2000kn za itx Gigabyte mbo koja je jedina donekle ok a vec se prica o 2-3 gen. koje dolaze i novi socketi s njima. Prije nekoliko godina si mogao bez problema kupiti itx za 700-900kn.

Mladenxy 24.07.2022. 08:49

Gigabyte H610M S2H DDR4 ti je prevelika?
https://www.protis.hr/products/detai...m_medium=click

730 kn, realno 300 kn pre skupa ali za i3 12100F/i5 12400F sasvim OK


robee 24.07.2022. 10:49

Da, imam itx kuciste.

Taproot7 24.07.2022. 11:38

neces naci postenu itx plocu za normalne novce jer su svi poludjeli sa cijenama tog formata

robee 24.07.2022. 14:45

Znam, odustajem od kupnje :(
Stari comp ce jos neko vrijeme posluziti.

The Exiled 24.07.2022. 20:14

Intel Raptor Lake CPUs possibly launching October 17 with the same architecture as Alder Lake:kafa:
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Intel will unveil its next-generation CPUs at its Innovation event in September, before an October 17 launch. Earlier rumors pegged the date inside October. That initial launch includes the i9-13900K, i7-13700K, and i5-13600K, along with Z790 chipset motherboards. Intel will reveal the non-K Raptor Lakes at CES 2023 on January 5 before releasing them along with the H760 and B760 chipsets in the second half of January. Although we knew that Intel's 13th Gen Raptor Lake CPUs will utilize the 10nm ESF 'Intel 7' based Raptor Cove and Gracemont cores which had few changes compared to the versions used in the 12th Gen Alder Lake CPUs, the Intel documentation itself confirms that on a microarchitectural level, both core designs, Raptor Cove and Golden Cove, are the same. What has changed though are the clock speeds, cache sizes & core configurations, all three of which are resulting in the performance uplift versus the 12th Generation Alder Lake CPUs.
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Intel could be bringing its 56-core and 350W TDP CPUs to workstations
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Intel first announced the Sapphire Rapids line of Xeon processors in late 2019 and has released information about them at a trickle ever since. With up to 56 cores and in-package memory, they'll be Intel's most powerful and enormous processors to date. Intel has been steadily updating the relevant enterprise software in preparation for Sapphire Rapids for over a year. Some of that software is open source and the source of small leaks. Last week, a trawler found a reference to an unknown processor in the boot log of a Linux kernel, the Intel W9-3495. First, the name: Intel uses "W" for its workstation CPUs, for example, the W-3375. It hasn't put numbers after the "W" yet, so that could mean a few things, but it looks a lot like the nomenclature used by the Core series -- i5, i7, i9. It might imply the existence of similar W7 or W5 CPUs with lower core counts.

Second, the specs. The boot log says that the W9-3495 has 56 cores / 112 threads and a base clock of 1.8 GHz (that likely isn't final). It lists AMX and AVX-512 instructions as features of the CPU. However, it doesn't say whether or not the W9-3495 has the 64 GB of in-package HBM2e memory that Sapphire Rapids has garnered infamy for, and I'd wager that it won't. It's prohibitively expensive, and also something that Intel would reserve for its flagship data center processors as a selling point. Intel's workstation CPUs do usually have most of the features of their server-side counterparts, though. If the W9-3495 is no exception, then it will have eight lanes of DDR5 and a mix of PCIe 5.0 and PCIe 4.0 lanes summing to 80. It will definitely use the Willow Cove architecture and Intel 7 node (a rebrand of the 10nm Enhanced SuperFin Mouthful node) and the new LGA4677-X socket. It will also be a mile above Intel's current offerings.

Today's workstation flagship is the W-3375, which has only 38 cores / 76 threads and uses the Ice Lake architecture from late 2019 and the first-gen 10nm node. It's also stuck with DDR4 and PCIe 4.0. It costs a whopping $4,499 - ouch - and is only really available through OEMs, a fate that hopefully the W9-3495 can avoid.

Izvor: TechSpot

Taproot7 24.07.2022. 22:12

znaci refresh ali se drukcije zove. super

The Exiled 24.07.2022. 22:41

Točno to, a i "nove" ploče iz 700 serije budu zapravo prepakirane iz postojeće 600 serije, pa se opet i po ko zna koji put ide na što više taktove, potrošnju i zagrijavanje.

Morali budemo pričekati službene recenzije da sve sjedne na svoje mjesto, ali po svemu sudeći, Raptor Lake je samo varijacija na poznatu temu.

Taproot7 25.07.2022. 19:24

znaci da ce skupe 600 ploce postati jos skuplje 700 ploce jer ove nisu dovoljno skupe a precjenjene su u startu 300 kn. zasto onda nisu raptor nazvali alder lake-s kako su isli sa coffee lake ako je sve isto a samo nabrijani taktovi grijanje i potrosnja.

The Exiled 28.07.2022. 18:14

Intel Core i7-13700K and Core i5-13600K tested, higher performance with higher power consumption:kafa:
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The primary upgrade over Alder Lake parts is increased core count of Efficient cores from 4 to 8 for each part. Furthermore, Raptor Lake models have higher boost clocks, by up to 400 MHz for the i7 SKU (max boost 5.4 GHz) and 300 MHz for i5 (max boost (5.2 GHz). Additionally, both parts have increased (doubled) L2 cache over Alder Lake SKUs, and they support faster DDR5 memory out of the box. In test such as CPU-Z the i7 sees a 10% boost in single-core test and 32-34% better score in multi-threaded. The i5-13600K, in other hand has 5% 39-41% uplift respectively. As for the power draw, the Intel Core i7-13700K consumed around 30% higher power than the Core i7-12700KF while the Core i5-13600K consumed around 20% more power than its predecessor. This additional power resulted in a lot of heat and both chips were operating over 100C with the Core i7 even hitting the 115C wall limit. The maximum package power was reported at 433W.
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SlavoS 28.07.2022. 21:24

Ugradit vodeno i u slučaju nedtašice plina imaš protočni bojler :lol2:

The Exiled 28.07.2022. 22:36

Huh, bude veselo kak god se okrene, a ko zna, još stignu i kojeg direktora izmijeniti u međuvremenu.:fiju:

stef 29.07.2022. 11:35

53 milijarde dolara poreznih obveznika:
https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/...manufacturing/

Dobitnici ... Intel i GloFlo, većim dijelom Intel. U isto vrijeme, onu babuskaru Pelosi će na Taiwan pratiti cijela sedma flota:

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“She’s not going to go with an armada,” Pavel said.

They also said that a stepped-up U.S. military presence to safeguard Pelosi risked raising tensions.
No shit!

Rekao bih da ovaj deal Nvidiju i AMD stavlja u prilično glup položaj, a dugoročno mogu popušiti Taiwan zbog geopolitičkih razloga.

The Exiled 29.07.2022. 11:58

Međunarodni incident na pomolu, ali lako za to, glavno da je Intel startup dobil prijeko potrebne dinare.:) Izuzev nVidije i AMD-a, puno drugih (američkih) firmi bude pogođeno, ako ovi zakuhaju situaciju s Kinom i Tajvanom.

Opet s druge strane, ne kužim kak ne vide da silne milijarde koje idu Intelu nisu ama baš nikakva garancija za uspješnu domaću proizvodnju, kad se ta firma gubi u vlastitom voCtvu i planovima.

Konstantne izmjene kratkoročnih i dugoročnih najava i realizacija su sad već standardni dio paketa u koji je uključena obavezna promjena generalnog direktora svakih par godina.

Od 2006. do 2017. je bilo super i puna šaka brade, ali sad je i više, nego očito da konkretnog plana nije bilo. Išlo se za tim da AMD nestane, a oni nastave dalje ubirati po provjerenom quad-core receptu.:kafa:

MIK 29.07.2022. 15:15

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Međunarodni incident na pomolu, ali lako za to, glavno da je Intel startup dobil prijeko potrebne dinare.:) Izuzev nVidije i AMD-a, puno drugih (američkih) firmi bude pogođeno, ako ovi zakuhaju situaciju s Kinom i Tajvanom.

Opet s druge strane, ne kužim kak ne vide da silne milijarde koje idu Intelu nisu ama baš nikakva garancija za uspješnu domaću proizvodnju, kad se ta firma gubi u vlastitom voCtvu i planovima.

Konstantne izmjene kratkoročnih i dugoročnih najava i realizacija su sad već standardni dio paketa u koji je uključena obavezna promjena generalnog direktora svakih par godina.

Od 2006. do 2017. je bilo super i puna šaka brade, ali sad je i više, nego očito da konkretnog plana nije bilo. Išlo se za tim da AMD nestane, a oni nastave dalje ubirati po provjerenom quad-core receptu.:kafa:

Manje bitno u igri je geopolitika i nacionalni interes --> Intel, Micron i Analog Devices u „službi”
Nacionalni interes

The Exiled 29.07.2022. 15:28

Igre samo takve, posebice nakon nekoliko desetljeća "domoće proizvodnje" na drugom kraju svijeta, pa hajde da se sad sve vrati kod nas.

Iskreno, kak je krenulo - Pat Gelsinger, Raja Koduri, Ryan Shrout i sl. društvo bi začas mogli dobiti zamjene. I onda opet nova garnitura najavljuje svoje.
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Intel let the chips fall where they might:kafa:
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This day always comes. It is the nature of monopoly and hubris.

It came for IBM. It came for Microsoft, and it is coming for Facebook. It will come for Google and, even though it is hard to believe, it will come for Amazon. And it is most assuredly coming for Intel right now, and it is probably going to get worse. Maybe not as bad as IBM in the early 1990s – because nothing was worse than that self-inflicted and self-described “near-death experience,” where Big Blue had the biggest write-offs in corporate history and eventually had to lay off half of its 400,000 workforce – but most assuredly for Intel, bad nonetheless.

Intel’s problems are not intractable, but they are incredibly expensive to fix, which is why the company is panhandling for money in the halls of the US Congress and in the corridors of power in Brussels, and why it is reportedly considering hooking up with private equity and hedge fund firms to raise the money to revitalize its foundries and therefore, it is hoped, its central compute engine business that, quite frankly, Intel’s former top brass took for granted. But it is worse than that. The chip design part of Intel took the foundry business as a given and the foundry part of Intel took the chip design business as a given, and AMD, the Arm collective (including homegrown Arm chips from cloud builders), and Nvidia have been doing all of the real taking – mostly of market share in compute. Given the roadmaps Intel has laid out and the substantial competition Intel is facing, they are going to keep taking it out of Intel’s hide as they ramp up new chippery and spend money to buy more manufacturing capacity from Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.
Izvor: The Next Platform

kopija 30.07.2022. 11:13

AMD passes Intel in market cap
Isusati šta ćemo još doživjet.

stitrek 30.07.2022. 13:33

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AMD passes Intel in market cap
Isusati šta ćemo još doživjet.

Zato sto su se monopolom uquadirali (4 cores) i uljenili, a potrosaci nisu imali bolju opciju.

Amd kao underdog pred bankrotom je postao kreativan jer je vidio da nije vise šala, tehnologija i trgovina su utrke koje nemaju predaha i kraja.

The Exiled 30.07.2022. 13:56

Da nije tragikomično, možda bi mi bilo žao, ali onda se sjetim da je riječ o firmi koja je svojevremeno kvartalno plaćala stotine milijuna OEM ekipi samo da ne nude AMD opciju, općenito imaju stav najboljiJi smo, nema nitko jači, dok sve oko njh gori, a oni u rukama drže šibicu i kanister benzina. Otkad se AMD vratil s ruba propasti, u Intelu su odmah brže-bolje probali ići u ofenzivu dobrim starim provjernim metodama u kontekstu zalijepljenih procesora, ali nažalost nije prošlo, konkurencija ne samo da nije nestala preko noći, nego se još i namnožila u pogledu ARM, nVidia, Samsung i TSMC natjecatelja.

Unatrag pet godina prošli su kroz tri generalna direktora od kojih svaki priča veće šprancirane bedastoće od prethodnika, izgubili su kakvih 30% sveukupnog tržišta, a sad kad više ni rekordne zarade nisu zagarantirane, okreću se državnim poticajima i subvencijama, jer "domaća proizvodnja" im je bitnija od svega. ARC GPU je fijasko u realnom vremenu, kasne apsolutno sa svim mogućim najavama, dok istovremeno pričaju o nasljednicima nečega kaj nije, a vrlo vjerojatno i ne bude stiglo na tržište u obećanom obliku. U slučaju da stigne, opet kasne kakvih generaciju do dvije u odnosu na konkurenciju. Tak da, sami su si krivi za sve kaj ih je snašlo, jer nemreš 10 godina sjediti na rukama i onda kad voda dođe do grla, početi mahnito najavljivati hrpu toga kaj konkurencija već ima u ponudi i nadati se će se sve riješiti samo od sebe, jer u pitanju je Intel.

I za razliku od AMD-a, sumnjam da bude Intel u vrijeme kad je stvarno teško, krenul s uistinu inovativnim rješenjma, ali OK, možda se stvarno trgnu, potjeraju sadašnje voCtvo i krenu s friškom postavom.

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Intel Core i7-13700K & Core i5-13600K Raptor Lake CPUs Gaming Benchmarks:fiju:
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The 13th Gen Core series will get more Efficient (Gracemont) cores, higher clocks and higher power PL1/PL2 levels. While the higher core count provides a boost in multi-threaded apps, it’s mainly the high clock and higher maximum TDP that allows the 13th Gen Core to offer better performance, especially in games. While average framerate has only increased by 7 to 12% at FHD resolution, the minimum framerates certainly did improve for all resolution. This is a 11% to 14% improvement for FHD. So it looks like the Core i7-13700K is around 5% faster on average than its predecessor while the bigger cache and higher clocks help it maintain an 11.82% higher minimum framerate. The Intel Core i5-13600K was also tested through the same gaming selection and yielded 6% better performance than its predecessor with 12.4% faster minimum FPS on average.
Izvor: Lolek i Bolek
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Intel had to respin Sapphire Rapids CPU for volume launch
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Intel disclosed during its earnings call on Thursday that it had to respin its 4th Generation Xeon Scalable 'Sapphire Rapids' processor before initiating high-volume production. This redesign and tapeout took time, which is why Intel is delaying the volume ramp of SPR CPUs to late 2022. As it turns out, Intel's previous iteration of its next-generation Xeon Scalable 'Sapphire Rapids' processor had a security vulnerability that required mitigation in hardware. As a consequence, Intel had to respin the CPU, mend the issue, tape out the new stepping, and then proceed with regular testing and validation procedures. This naturally postponed the volume launch of the product. Some Intel customers (probably among operators of hyperscale datacenters) are already running initial Sapphire Rapids processors unaffected by the security issue (perhaps because they come with certain features turned off). Intel admits that its Sapphire Rapids processors are late to the party, and they will be widely available only in 2023.
Izvor: Tom's Hardware
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TSMC completes construction of 5nm Fab 21 in Arizona
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TSMC recently held a topping-out ceremony for its Fab 21 near Phoenix, Arizona, to celebrate the completion of the construction, which progressed at breakneck speeds from March 2021 to July 2022. With the building ready, it is time for TSMC to install supplementary equipment and then move in semiconductor production tools. Now that the fab shell is complete, TSMC will need to install various anti-vibration devices, wiring, sewerage, ventilation, air conditioning, and so on. Once everything is ready, it will start equipping its cleanroom with various fab equipment, including scanners, etching, deposition, resist removal, metrology, and inspection tools, just to name a few. TSMC's Fab 21 is expected to start production in early 2024. Its initial capacity will be 20,000 wafer starts per month (WSPM) on TSMC's N5 (5nm-class) nodes. Meanwhile, the foundry's 1,100-acre site will be able to host additional phases of the fab, bringing the manufacturing capacity of the campus to around 100,000 wafers if there is enough demand for chips produced by the company. The cost of the current phase is estimated to be between $10 billion and $12 billion.
Izvor: Tom's Hardware
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Never Ending Story: Intel’s Sapphire Rapids (maybe) comes in the 12th Stepping
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Intel’s new Xeons, i.e. the scalable server processors of the 4th generation, are delayed again. Once again, one might say, and the reasons are very diverse. The problems and errors are collected under NDA in internal documents (“so called NDA sights”) and currently amount to almost 500 (!) entries, with the trend continuing to rise. With a total of 12 (!) steppings, they haven’t exactly covered themselves with glory either, and I can’t remember any project so far that needed so many steppings before you could even use it to some extent. This started with A0 and A1, then proceeded via B0, C0, C1, C2, D0, E0, E2, E3 and E4 until currently stepping E5! The market launch was planned about 1.5 years ago and the plan was recently updated again. Sapphire Rapids was originally supposed to compete against AMD’s Epyc Milan processors, but due to the delay, they now have to compete against AMD’s newer Genoa lineup.
Izvor: Igor'sLAB

BusMaster 02.08.2022. 14:56

Đizus krajst..12! iteracija procesora i još imaju 500 bugova, odron samo takav.. Epyc Genoa će ih doslovno pomesti a ovaj šrot neće tako skoro u prodaju.

The Exiled 03.08.2022. 19:20

Izuzev nadolazećih Raptor Lake modela, sve ostalo je nažalost pod jako velikim upitnikom. Izgleda da kaj god Intel i popratno voCtvo taknu, jednostavno ne urodi plodom, pa je odgođeno ili kompletno otkazano.
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Intel: Trouble in the IDM 2.0 paradise?:kafa:
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It’s easy to blame predecessors, but wasn’t Gelsinger tasked to take Intel out of trouble when he was given the reins of this iconic semiconductor outfit in early 2021? What happened? Gelsinger’s transformative plan to turn Intel into a contract manufacturer for semiconductor devices is taking its toll. Even on that foundry frontier, which the company calls IDM 2.0, it’s worrisome that Intel plans to cut capital-expenditure plans for next year by $4 billion. That, for a start, shows that Intel and its chief Gelsinger are now under immense pressure. It’s worth mentioning that last year, Gelsinger claimed that Intel’s margins would remain comfortably above 50%. What’s apparent now is that Gelsinger has a big job ahead of him, and his vision of IDM 2.0 alone won’t cut to the chase. His honeymoon at Intel’s top job is over, and he seems to have some treacherous waters ahead of him.

Last week's news about Mediatek signing an agreement to use Intel's Foundry Services (IFS) led to some speculation as to what Mediatek would be manufacturing at IFS (first products will be using the Intel 16 process, what was previously known as its 22 nm node). MediaTek CEO Rick Tsai mentioned that IFS will be used for producing semiconductors for digital TVs and wireless access networks at an investor conference in Taiwan. This suggests that most of the components might not even be for Mediatek itself, but rather its subsidiaries, such as MStar or Airoha. MStar is a company that produces a wide range of lower-end smart TV chips, whereas Airoha has ended up taking over Mediatek's networking and Bluetooth business units.
Izvor: EETimes i TechPowerUp
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Intel orders delayed, TSMC slows 3nm expansion
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Intel plans to outsource the tGPU chipset in Meteor Lake to TSMC for manufacture. Mass production of this product was initially planned for 2H22 but was later postponed to 1H23 due to product design and process verification issues. Recently, the product’s mass production schedule has been postponed again to the end of 2023 for some reason, nigh completely cancelling 3nm production capacity originally booked in 2023 with only a marginal amount of wafer input remaining for engineering verification. In view of this, TSMC has decided to slow the progress of its production expansion to ensure production capacity is not excessively idle, leading to massive cost amortization pressure. In addition to formally notifying equipment suppliers of the company’s intention to adjust 2023 equipment orders, due to the high cost of 3nm expansion, TrendForce expects that this move will also affect some parts of TSMC’s 2023 CapEx planning. As a result, the scale of TSMC’s CapEx in 2023 may be lower than in 2022.

It is worth mentioning, although Intel has significantly adjusted its 2023 outsourcing plan, causing TSMC to postpone its 2023 expansion plans, looking at other advanced process clients including AMD, MediaTek, and Qualcomm, all of these companies successively plan to mass-produce 3nm products in 2024. At the same time, Apple's new 2024 iPhone is expected to fully adopt 3nm processors. The introduction of the aforementioned clients will inject momentum into TSMC's 3nm capacity utilization and revenue performance in 2024. Looking forward to 2024, with new products from clients such as AMD, MediaTek, and Qualcomm in place, 3nm process output is expected to be on track, further promoting strong growth in TSMC's revenue scale. However, the development status of Intel's own Intel 4 process and the accompanying outsourcing situation are still important potential growth drivers for TSMC.
Izvor: TrendForce
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Too little, too late: Intel's legacy is eroding
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Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger's carefully assembled house of cards is collapsing around him. And it's not really that surprising when you look at the hand he's been dealt. For those that haven't been following Intel product roadmap that closely, here's a quick recap of where things stand today. The company is stuck on an aging 10nm process; its desktop CPUs are ludicrously power hungry; its dedicated GPUs aren't particularly competitive, even when their drivers do work; its upcoming processor families are hopelessly behind schedule; and it just killed off Optane, which was arguably its most promising development in recent memory. Gelsinger's ascension to CEO can be attributed in large part to Intel's failure to bring a working 7nm process — now dubbed Intel 4 — to market on time. And in the 1.5 year since taking over, Gelsinger has managed to shift the conversation away from its long-delay process. Intel can claim up and down that Intel 4 is on track to ship in 2023 with Meteor Lake, but the company's track record suggests that's wishful thinking.

Seven years ago, when the Epyc comeback plan was formulated, AMD could not have dreamed in a million years that Intel’s vaunted foundries would run into so many troubles with 10 nanometer and then 7 nanometer processes. Intel kicked AMD out of the datacenter in 2009 because it had its foundry humming and a completely redesigned 64-bit Xeon line (which borrowed plenty of ideas from the Opteron, of course) at the same exact time that AMD started having issues with the Opteron architecture and everyone was really risk averse in the datacenter. Intel's Sapphire Rapids Xeon Scalable processors are without a doubt its most ambitious chips ever. In a single generation, Intel committed to not only delivering DDR5, PCIe 5.0, and CXL to the datacenter market, but that it would employ a multi-die chiplet architecture that would close the core-count gap with AMD. To put it bluntly, Intel has managed to squander its lead over rivals and its massive reserves of talent on over-ambitious projects that have time and again arrived late to the party.
Izvor: The Register i The Next Platform


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