It is obvious that a lot of this investment and effort by Intel in the broader HPC market has not paid off directly — meaning lots of systems at HPC centers, hyperscalers, and cloud builders using its exotic wares. In its fourth quarter, the Intel Federal division, which is the prime contractor for the Aurora system, is taking a $300 million write-down. Gelsinger can’t afford the public drama that Aurora has represented — it will be nearly four years late when it is delivered next year — nor can he afford such hits to Intel’s books.
Intel Corp., the world’s largest chipmaker, gave a lackluster forecast for the current period, fueling concerns that the cost of Chief Executive Officer Pat Gelsinger’s turnaround will weigh on the company’s profits. Shares fell about 7% in extended trading. If Intel’s fourth quarter comes in as the chipmaker predicts, revenue will decline 3% from a year earlier, gross margin will drop 6.5 percentage points and earnings per share will fall about 40%. Low expectations for Intel's quarterly figures had preceded the release, despite the boom times in almost every IT segment. In terms of sales, Intel was only able to convince to a limited extent, while a one-off payment helped a lot in terms of profit. For the final quarter, Intel expects pretty much the same endeavor again. No sales growth, the margin could also fall, and profits fall. The stock market doesn't like these prospects at all, and immediately after the figures were announced, things went into the red.
Intel Corp.’s talks with chip designer SiFive Inc. have ended without a deal and the startup will seek outside investment instead. Talks between the two companies fell apart recently after they couldn’t agree on financial terms and how the SiFive technology would be integrated into Intel’s chip roadmap, the people said, asking not to be identified because the matter is private. SiFive is now looking to stay independent and sees an eventual initial public offering as a long-term goal, they said.
SlavoS
22.10.2021. 00:35
E sad kad se pojavi picajzla, i objasni nama neukima...
The only groups not to report gains are Intel’s Client Computing Group (though this is their largest group) and their Non-Volatile Memory Solutions Group, which Intel is in the process of selling to SK Hynix. Starting with the CCG then, Intel’s core group is unfortunately also the only one struggling to grow right now. The bigger thorn in Intel’s side at the moment, according to the company, is the ongoing chip crunch, which has limited laptop sales. With Intel’s OEM partners unable to source enough components to build as many laptops as they’d like, it has the knock-on effect of reducing their CPU orders, even though Intel itself doesn’t seem to be having production issues. The upshot, at least, is that desktop sales are up significantly versus the year-ago quarter, and that average selling prices (ASPs) for both desktop and notebook chips are up.
CFO George Davis – whose retirement was announced today – was at pains to point out that were it not for Apple quitting Intel silicon and Chipzilla exiting the modem business, client-related revenue would have risen ten per cent. Davis predicted another shock from declining demand from China. CEO Pat Gelsinger told investors that as a result of China's recent crackdown on gaming "all of the cloud vendors are adjusting their offerings to meet that new regulatory environment, so we expect there is a quarter or two for them to digest what they would look like."
Pat Gelsinger laid it all out on the table and stopped the charade. He was once a farm boy from rural Pennsylvania who moved out to Silicon Valley at the age of 18 to work at Intel. Now he has the keys to the company, and he’s betting the entire farm on its future technological dominance. It’s been very clear Intel will lose market share for at least the next couple of years due to increased competition from AMD, Apple decoupling, and various hyperscaler in-house efforts. Pat Gelsinger minced no words when stating 2022 would be a bad year. Revenue will shrink from $77.7B to ~$74B and gross margins will fall all the way to 51% to 53% for the next few years. These failures were a long time coming due to prior poor leadership and engineering failures.
Mladenxy
22.10.2021. 20:20
Neto prihodi su i dalje rekordni, dionica varira, AMD dionica i prihodi rastu. Ništa tu nije meni sporno.
Intel paid out 30% of its profit as dividends over the trailing twelve-month period.
brijem da se ljudima isplati ulagati u tu firmu, barem kratkoročno.
The Exiled
22.10.2021. 20:25
Nije ni meni sporno, a Intel sve te rekordne zarade na kraju dana i fino koštaju, a to im baš i ne paše nakon kaj su više od deset godina (bili) na autopilotu.:)
Novi CEO i dalje obećaje povratak u velikom stilu, dok istovremeno ovisi o TSMC-u ništa manje, nego ostali kojih se pod hitno želi riješiti, bilo nVidia, ARM ili AMD.
Mladenxy
22.10.2021. 20:28
Intel je USA kapitalna i strateško sigurnosna investicija. Nema tu zime, ak zapne biti će poticaja...
The Exiled
22.10.2021. 20:31
Otkad je preuzel direktorsko mjesto, novi CEO ne prestaje tražiti poticije za sve što najavljuje, tak da po tom pitanju sigurno nema(ju) brige. Ostaje jedino vidjeti kaj od obećanog budu ostvarili.
Nadolazeći Alder Lake s 10% do 15% boljim single-core/thread performansma u odnosu na godinu dana stare Zen 3 modele, dok pri tome troši duplo više, baš i nije napredak.
Također, kreirali su, odnosno razdvojili postojeću HPC grupu, tako da kasnije lakše u jednoj utope 300 milijuna dolara gubitka zbog odgađanja jedinog ugovora za Aurora superračunalo.
With the approaching start of Alder Lake processors for the desktop, more and more information is also coming to light. So far, based on the current rumor, it could be assumed that the top models still have a TDP of 125W and also have an increased power limit for a shorter period of 228 to 241W of time . According to the information from Igor's Lab , a PL1 has completely disappeared from the current BIOS versions or the previously known PL2 has now become a PL1. This does not seem to be an accidental change or an error. You have to know that Intel was not very strict here in the past. In addition, however, the mainboard manufacturers can make their own optimizations.
With Alder Lake-S, there now seems to be another change that allows mainboard manufacturers to suspend a PL1 and go directly to the respective PL2, which should then be permanently available. According to the quotations from the technical documentation presented by Igor's Lab, the system integrators should ensure that PL1 = PL2 can also be adhered to. To do this, five consecutive runs in Cinebench R20 must be made - with consistent results and without major thermal loads on the voltage converters.
It then becomes decisive in the specifications for the currents or power consumption:
PL1 (W) 241
PL2 (W) 241
PL4 (W) 359
Since Intel has not yet presented any official technical data for the Alder Lake processors and we are bound to an NDA, we cannot comment on the information any further.
It was already known in advance that the processors manufactured in Intel 7, i.e. 10 nm, would not be more economical than their predecessors.
Intel Core i9-12900K featuring 16 cores (8 Performance and 8 Efficient) and 24 threads will carry a boost clock up to 5.2 GHz, there is no Thermal Velocity Boost according to the official slide deck. This CPU will cost 589 USD, which is an increase of 50 USD over Core i9-11900K at launch. The KF variant which lacks integrated UHD Graphics 770 based on Xe architecture will cost 564 USD, 51 USD over the predecessor. Intel Core i7-12700K is a 12-core and 20 thread CPU (8 Performance and 4 Efficient cores) with a boost clock up to 5.0 GHz. This model will retail at 409 USD with a KF variant going retail at 384 USD. What this means is that consumers will have to pay 10 USD more for each SKU compared to the 11th Gen Core series.
The Core i5-12600K with 10 cores and 16 threads (6 Performance and 4 Efficient cores) will not support Intel Turbo Boost Max 3.0 technology unlike Core i7 and Core i9 SKUs. The maximum boost of the Performance core is 4.9 GHz. This CPU will cost 289 USD with the KF variant going for 264 USD. We are looking at a 27 USD price increase over the predecessor. Intel has a few slides featuring Core i9-12900K performance, but by far the most interesting slide is gaming, which has not been featured in the recent leaks. Intel claims 12900K delivers better performance than the flagship AMD Ryzen 9 5950X CPU in 7 titles out of 9 tested. Intel Alder Lake-S lineup which will be announced later today features 6 SKUs. The processors will officially go on sale on November 4th, but the preorders are to begin shortly after the announcement.
Službeno preCtavljanje danas u 18:00h po našem vremenu, a odmah nakon toga ide preorder, dok za službene recenzije čekamo do sljedećeg tjedna.:)
Prema ovim rezultatima u gamingu Zen 3d će se ravnopravno nositi s ADL, ostaje pitanje samo šta će biti s jeftinijim modelima ryzena, tj hoće li i koliko dodatnog cache-a stavljati, mogli bi to raditi nešto slično kao što rade s grafama pa skalirati s cache-om.
The Exiled
27.10.2021. 17:11
U probranim naslovima, Core i9-12900K ide od -3% do +30%. To je to.:frend:
Dr. Strange
27.10.2021. 18:12
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U probranim naslovima, Core i9-12900K ide od -3% do +30%. To je to.:frend:
Skoro pa identično kao Zen 3d vs Zen3, ni ne čudi me što se toliko dugo čekalo na gaming testove, ADL briljira u cpu-z i cinebenchu, no u igrama i ne baš toliko ako je suditi prema ovome, a da može bolje sigurno bi Intel stavio druge naslove kako bi poboljšao prosjek.
the_ghost
27.10.2021. 18:20
Ovo bi moglo biti gore nego sto mislimo, Charlie ne voli intel al opet:
Čovek je bil dosad za dosta toga u pravu, kad je Intel u pitanju, tak da ne bi bilo ništa čudno da i ovaj put zna više od ostalih.:)
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There is one, and only one, benchmark that compares Alder Lake against AMD products, the rest only compare against 14nm Intel products be they Rocket/Ice cores or Sky Lake derivatives. The AMD chips were crippled due to the Windows 11 cache and core selection bugs but to be fair Intel acknowledged that up front. This is the long way of saying the AMD numbers should increase substantially when the patches, now out, are applied.
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With the 12th Gen, Intel is changing the definition of "PL" power levels. PL1 is now an abstract concept, and no longer strictly matches with the TDP advertised for a particular SKU. All of the unlocked K/KF SKUs come with a "processor base power" rating of 125 W. The company will no longer use the term "TDP" in its documentation or marketing. The PL2 value as we knew it, will now be referred to as "maximum turbo power." For all SKUs being launched today, the default value for both these values is 241 W, so PL1=PL2=241 W. We're not exactly sure how this can work together with a "125 W" claim—we'll know more on September 4th when our reviews go live.
Win 11 build bez AMD patcha, uključen VBS na Intelu, usporedba sa AMDom samo u igrama...meh....pričekajmo prave rivjue.
Premda izgleda da AL ipak nije baš za bacit. ;)
The Exiled
28.10.2021. 10:22
Da, nažalost s Intelom se nikad ne zna, a dokle god uz najbolje performanse ikad, istovremeno najavljuju visoke taktove, koji pak za sobom povlače podjednako visoku potrošnju i zagrijavanje - pitanje je koliko je tu zapravo noviteta.
S druge strane pak, ovaj Tom lik već sad priča o tome da treba pričaketi Raptor Lake uz Zen 4 i 5, jer Alder Lake neće biti baš za svakoga, a prave stvari tek stižu, pa kupujte sad, samo ako baš trebate.
Frajer više ni sam ne zna za kojim vjetrom da trči, jer cijelo ovo vrijeme priča o Alder Lakeu kao dolasku novog Mesije, a sad kad je tu i recenzije stižu sljedeći tjedan - e dajte da vam velim nešto.:):D
Whenever a stock drops 12% in one day there is some sort of major disconnect between the company and the street. Analysts should have able to figure out that capex wasn’t just going to go up 20% year on year and be enough to catch TSMC spending $25B a year, twice Intel. Its clear that Intel has to spend TSMC-like sums of CAPEX and then some more in order to catch TSMC. If we use EUV tool count as a proxy for spend ( which is a good approximation) they need to outspend TSMC now to make up for years of under investment and under buying.
TSMC does not work for free and will not give away its precious leading edge capacity to a company that wants to beat it, without extracting a pound of flesh. TSMC has Intel in a tough position and will squeeze for what its worth and Intel has no choice but to pay up otherwise TSMC will turn on the AMD floodgates. Becoming a foundry player is not just the $20B to build two fabs in Arizona(let alone fabs in Europe…) and fill them with equipment. Its hiring lots of people (let alone finding the talent) and building the infrastructure (or buying it) needed to service silicon customers. Something Intel wasn’t able to accomplish in the past. Building the two fabs and all associated foundry expenses for something that may not show revenue for years and take a long time to ramp will be a huge drain.
In the meantime renewed competition from AMD (whose product is being built in the same TSMC fabs as Intel) and others as well as emerging competition (like Apple, ARM, Google, Facebook etc…) will negatively impact revenues and pricing. Bottom line is Intel is caught in a longer term margin squeeze. The problem just got even worse as Intel is now stuck with “triple spending”. Spending (or gross margins loss) on TSMC, re-building their own fabs and now a third cost of building additional foundry capacity for outside customers. We don’t see how Intel avoids a financial hit.
Ovaj CEO stvarno ne može biti tiho, a izjave su mu sve hit do hita.
Disco
28.10.2021. 13:15
Da ovo sa MLID sam i aj skužio, prvo je hajpao AL kolko ide, a sada odjednom kaže preskačite AL i Zen3+, osim u nuždi. Ja ću evo biti ''pametan'' pa ću dodat da će i zen4 biti za preskok jer će biti prvi AMD na DDR5... :D
Dr. Strange
28.10.2021. 16:41
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Da ovo sa MLID sam i aj skužio, prvo je hajpao AL kolko ide, a sada odjednom kaže preskačite AL i Zen3+, osim u nuždi. Ja ću evo biti ''pametan'' pa ću dodat da će i zen4 biti za preskok jer će biti prvi AMD na DDR5... :D
Kod AMD-a je dosta drugačija situacija jer koriste isti dizajn arhitekture tj all big cores pa neće zahtijevati specifične optimizacije kao što to zahtjeva ADL, a i u trenutku kad Zen 4 bude izašao ddr5 će biti brži i pristupačniji. Dok ADL bude ispoliran izaći će i Raptor Lake a.k.a finalna verzija ADL-a sa još boljim thread schedulerom i hardverskim optimizacijama tako da je najpametnija odluka izbjegavati ADL i čuvati novac ili za bolju grafu ili te buduće procesore.
Puno upitnika je Intel ostavio za sobom, klasična Intel prezentacija gdje zapravo ništa ne saznaš dok ne vidiš prve konkretne nezavisne benchmarke, i zanimljivo kako su 12900k uspoređivali s 11900k u productivity workloadu, a 11900k ima samo 8 jezgri pa kao takav nije kompetentan.
sti
29.10.2021. 17:51
Svi ovi testovi su rađeni na Win 11 Pro, a Ryzen je tek prije par dana dobio latency fix koji funkcionira, tako da Ryzenu treba dodati 15%.
Mladenxy
29.10.2021. 19:01
Strpite se do idućeg tjedna, većina toga bu jasno kad ga Stevo klokan procijedi u tridesetak igara. Ufam se u i5 12400f 6/12 i relativno jeftinu mbo druge godine kao dobar uloženo/dobiveno gamerski cpu..makar ne vjerujem da će biti 1200 kn ko sada 10400f :D
Na redu je deranje kože isto ko i konkurencija u zadnjih godinu dana.
MSI revealed that there are two varieties of the desktop Alder Lake versions: a chip with up to 8 P-cores and 8 E-cores (for a total of 24 threads), followed by a lesser brother with up to 6 P-cores and no E cores (12 threads). The larger of the two has a surface area of 215 square millimeters, while the smaller one has a surface area of 163 millimeters. A comparison of these two chips reveals that the hotspots are located in different areas on each chip, which can result in cooling concerns. The 6P+0E die is not used with the i9-12900K(F), i7-12700K(F), and i5-12600K(F) processors because these processors are equipped with the more cost-effective Gracemont cores. Intel is anticipated to unveil the first processors that make use of the smaller chip early next year, including the i3 and Pentium variants, according to industry sources.
na kraju cijele price intel je taman tolko brzi kolko ddr5 donosi, a ne intel... Opet su se tresla brda, a rodio se mis.
Iako mi nije imalo smisla zasto bi pola postenih i pola jadnih jezgri dalo bolji rezultat od 100% postenih ali reko benchmarci ubijaju, reko valjda to ide u paketu sa windowsima i konacno znaju iskoristit jezgre gdje treba, kad ono... Daje rezultate ko i SLI, u benchmarcima rastura, u igrama kifla...
nista, cekamo duplo brzi ddr5 od trenutnih i sljedecu cpu... mjenja mi nesto u kanti, a nema nis pametno za promjenit...
The Exiled
30.10.2021. 14:57
Žalosno bude, ako se ovi procureni Alder Lake rezulatati na kraju ne precrtaju u porast performansi u konkretnim aplikacijama, pogotovo u odnosu na sada već godinu dana stare Zen 3 modele.
Odnosno, za očekivati je da Alder Lake bude bolji, samo je pitanje za koliko točno i naravno s kakvom potrošnjom i zagrijavanjem. Budemo pričekali službene recenzije sljedeći tjedan.:chears:
na kraju cijele price intel je taman tolko brzi kolko ddr5 donosi, a ne intel... Opet su se tresla brda, a rodio se mis.
Iako mi nije imalo smisla zasto bi pola postenih i pola jadnih jezgri dalo bolji rezultat od 100% postenih ali reko benchmarci ubijaju, reko valjda to ide u paketu sa windowsima i konacno znaju iskoristit jezgre gdje treba, kad ono... Daje rezultate ko i SLI, u benchmarcima rastura, u igrama kifla...
nista, cekamo duplo brzi ddr5 od trenutnih i sljedecu cpu... mjenja mi nesto u kanti, a nema nis pametno za promjenit...
I meni nekako dosadno, kako stvari atoje ovo zaboravit i cekati zen4 ili 5 xD
markecSMB
31.10.2021. 05:07
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na kraju cijele price intel je taman tolko brzi kolko ddr5 donosi, a ne intel... Opet su se tresla brda, a rodio se mis.
Iako mi nije imalo smisla zasto bi pola postenih i pola jadnih jezgri dalo bolji rezultat od 100% postenih ali reko benchmarci ubijaju, reko valjda to ide u paketu sa windowsima i konacno znaju iskoristit jezgre gdje treba, kad ono... Daje rezultate ko i SLI, u benchmarcima rastura, u igrama kifla...
nista, cekamo duplo brzi ddr5 od trenutnih i sljedecu cpu... mjenja mi nesto u kanti, a nema nis pametno za promjenit...
little big ima smisla za 99% korisnika,
imat 8 poštenih super brzih i dobro povezanih jezgri +8 sporijih za background stvari je meni bolje nego imat 16 brzih s sporim interconnectom
Nažalost i intel namjerava "lijepit" jezgre u budućnosti ko amd.
Zaboli me q za moar coarz, bolje je imat par brzih jezgri
zwer54
31.10.2021. 11:39
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little big ima smisla za 99% korisnika,
imat 8 poštenih super brzih i dobro povezanih jezgri +8 sporijih za background stvari je meni bolje nego imat 16 brzih s sporim interconnectom
Nažalost i intel namjerava "lijepit" jezgre u budućnosti ko amd.
Zaboli me q za moar coarz, bolje je imat par brzih jezgri
A zakaj normalne jezgre ne bi znale odradit background? Odnosno zasto bi te sporije jezgre odradile taj posao bolje?
The Exiled
31.10.2021. 12:27
Fora je u tome da i Intel i AMD u posljednjih nekoliko generacija imaju složena rješenja (1 - 2) koja fino reguliraju sve jezgre u pozadini, pa se sukladno potrebi, cijela stvar automatski podešava.
Intel je za Alder Lake spojil dvije različite generacije (Core i Atom), jer to je jedini način da u monolitnom dizajnu dođu u rang ovoga kaj AMD nudi, a opet da se cijela stvar ne rastopi.
Osim toga, njihov Intel Thread Director u kombinaciji s Windows 11 i dalje daje prednost većim Core jezgrama, a manje Atom kasnije dolaze do izražaja.
Meteor Lake bude Intelov prvi pravi chiplet/tiles dizajn i općenito se sve okreće prema tome, jer inače ne mogu dalje skalirati.
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When you have two cores of different performance and efficiency points, either the processor or the operating system has to be cognizant of what goes where to get the best result from the end-user. Intel Thread Director is a combined hardware/software solution that Intel has engineered with Microsoft focused on Windows 11. It all boils down to having the right functionality to help the operating system make decisions about where to put threads that require low latency vs threads that require high efficiency but are not time critical. First you need a software scheduler that knows what it is doing. Intel’s Thread Director controller puts an embedded microcontroller inside the processor such that it can monitor what each thread is doing and what it needs out of its performance metrics.
It then provides suggested hints back to the Windows 11 OS scheduler about what the thread is doing, whether it is important or not, and it is up to the OS scheduler to combine that with other information about the system as to where that thread should go. Ultimately the OS is both topologically aware and now workload aware to a much higher degree. It’s important to understand that for the desktop processor with 8 P-cores and 8 E-cores, if there was a 16-thread workload then it will be scheduled across all 8 P-cores with 8 threads, then all 8 E-cores with the other 8 threads. Windows 10 does not get Thread Director, but relies on a more basic version of Intel’s Hardware Guided Scheduling (HGS).
In our conversations with Intel, they were cagy to put any exact performance differential metrics between the two, however based on understanding of the technology, we should expect to see better frequency efficiency in Windows 11.
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Thread Director is ONLY compatible with Windows 11, Windows 10 does not have the tools to see TD data much less use it. Intel went to great lengths and had painfully tortured logic to say that Windows 10 has a lot of heterogeneous core capabilities without TD. It doesn’t. Heterogeneous cores on Windows serve one purpose, so Intel can catch up with AMD on the core count marketing slides. AMD has been delivering real 16C desktop CPUs for years now, soon Intel will be able to claim the same number, albeit fake, of cores. Yay marketing.
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It’s important to understand that for the desktop processor with 8 P-cores and 8 E-cores, if there was a 16-thread workload then it will be scheduled across all 8 P-cores with 8 threads, then all 8 E-cores with the other 8 threads. This affords more performance than enabling the hyperthreads on the P-cores, and so software that compares thread-to-thread loading (such as the latest 3DMark CPU Profile test) may be testing something different compared to processors without E-cores.
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It all boils down to having the right functionality to help the operating system make decisions about where to put threads that require low latency vs threads that require high efficiency but are not time critical. So it’s easy enough (now) to tell an operating system that different types of cores exist. Each one can have a respective performance and efficiency rating, and the operating system can migrate threads around as required. However the difference between Windows 10 and Windows 11 is how much information is available to the scheduler about what is running.
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Intel classifies the performance levels on Alder Lake in the following order:
One thread per core on P-cores
Only thread on E-cores
SMT threads on P-cores
That means the system will load up one thread per P-core and all the E-cores before moving to the hyperthreads on the P-cores.
On top of this, Intel says that Thread Director can also optimize for frequency.
If a thread is limited in a way other than frequency, it can detect this and reduce frequency, voltage, and power.
Alder Lake je od strane Intela najavljen kao najbolji gaming CPU, tak da po tom pitanju i dalje sve ostaje isto. Visoki taktovi, popraćni visokom potrošnjom i zagrijavanjem.
I naravno, (od strane korisnika) isključivanje manjih jezgri u BIOS-u, tako da se ostatak može dignuti još više.:chears:
Mladenxy
31.10.2021. 13:25
Ma bilo bi to sve super da je i5 1200-1700 kn a i7 2200-2500 kn pa se igraš sa isključivanjem jezgri.
The Exiled
31.10.2021. 13:41
U slučaju da se ove brojke obestine za nekoliko dana, onda cijela stvar baš i ne djeluje previše impresivno.
A zakaj normalne jezgre ne bi znale odradit background? Odnosno zasto bi te sporije jezgre odradile taj posao bolje?
I ja se to pitam, normalne jezgre sasvim uredno odrađuju i primarne i background zadatke, a i samim time što su osjetno brže jedna jezgra može obradit zadatke ko 2 spore, plus manje latencije jer se sve odrađuje u jednoj, a također je i potrošnja normalnih jezgri vrlo niska u light workloadu tipa surfanje tako da benefiti malih jezgri za stolna računala padaju u vodu. To je dobra stvar samo za mobilne uređaje i nadam se da će kod AMD-a ostati samo na tome.
markecSMB
31.10.2021. 17:44
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I ja se to pitam, normalne jezgre sasvim uredno odrađuju i primarne i background zadatke, a i samim time što su osjetno brže jedna jezgra može obradit zadatke ko 2 spore, plus manje latencije jer se sve odrađuje u jednoj, a također je i potrošnja normalnih jezgri vrlo niska u light workloadu tipa surfanje tako da benefiti malih jezgri za stolna računala padaju u vodu. To je dobra stvar samo za mobilne uređaje i nadam se da će kod AMD-a ostati samo na tome.
Ma rec ti Doture jednom Intelu i jednom ARMu da on neznaju
the_ghost
31.10.2021. 18:47
To sto to ima smisla na mobitelima gdje se treba ustedjeti na svakom miliwatu struje, to ne znaci da ima smisla na desktopu. I oni ce se ovog dizajna rjesiti sa sljedecom generacijom, jel to znaci da ces za godinu pricati kako to nema smisla jer se intel toga rijesio?
markecSMB
31.10.2021. 20:12
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Autor the_ghost
(Post 3557581)
To sto to ima smisla na mobitelima gdje se treba ustedjeti na svakom miliwatu struje, to ne znaci da ima smisla na desktopu. I oni ce se ovog dizajna rjesiti sa sljedecom generacijom, jel to znaci da ces za godinu pricati kako to nema smisla jer se intel toga rijesio?
Možda mu je klinac preuzeo account, znalo se događati.
Dr. Strange
31.10.2021. 20:30
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Autor sti
(Post 3557613)
Možda mu je klinac preuzeo account, znalo se događati.
Nije ga uopće ni bilo na ovoj temi, i sad je banuo tu sav agresivan i uvrijeđen što se dira Intel jer on pretpostavljam ima neke duboke veze s Intelom.
