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Staro 11.09.2023., 12:01   #1
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Recertified diskovi

Code:
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Prije ovog video nisam bio upoznat sa ovom tematikom. U video je naglasio da ipak treba kupovati od provjerene firme.


Da li je netko kupovao takve diskove? Perfomanse, cijena, da li se ipak isplati kupiti novi?? Puno pitanja imam a neznam od kud počet.


Ovo sam izguglao (nisam uspio puno pronaći da li je kvalitetan izvor za kupit):
Code:
https://www.jb-computer.de/komponenten-zubehoer/speicher/hdd/9077/seagate-exos-x16-16tb-hdd-3.5-zoll-festplatte-sata-6gb/s-7200rpm-recertified-new-st16000nm001g

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https://www.office-partner.de/seagate-exos-x-x18-16tb-512e/4kn-sata-6gb/sst16000nm000j-26042165
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Staro 11.09.2023., 12:15   #2
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Provjerena firma, to je dobro receno! Meni je samo jedno pitanje bitno - tko ti daje garanciju i koliko lako je mozes sutra ostvariti. Je li to Seagate direktno (mozes li uopce registrirati takav disk na sajtu) ili neki random shop u de koje si linkao? Najcesce je i garancija kraca pa je i to jedan od faktora isplativosti kupnje.

Malo mi je bezveze kupiti disk koji je godinama rostiljao u datacentru, kojem su resetirane smart vrijednosti i koji se prodaje za 30ak eura manju cijenu da bi na njemu cuvao.

Ono sto ti nitko ne moze reci je hoce li taj disk trajati godinu ili pet godina od kupovine, pa da vidis isplati li se ta investicija na duze staze.

Ako kupujes tipa 2 diska za NAS, usparaj jos malo i kupi novo. Ako kupujes 5-10 diskova za neki gigantski NAS, go for it! Usteda je dovoljna da danas-sutra mozes zamjeniti npr jedan pokvaren disk i opet si dobro prosao.
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Staro 11.09.2023., 12:33   #3
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Ja sam prije koju godinu dobio od Seagatea (za reklamirnai disk) Recertified HDD. Moj je bio u garanciji i pojavili se BadBlocovi (Ironwolf 8TB) i dobio sma "novi" tj. vakumiran od Seagate ali sa drugacijom naljepnicom tj. recertified. Garancija je bila 6 mjeseci od njih (eno g ajos mi sotji u rezervi/ormaru neotpakiran ).

Samo jos napomena da refurbished i recertified nije isto tj. recertified bi trebao biti manje koristeni/boljie ili cak nekoristeni (to sam dodao zbog koleginog komentara o "nekom disku koji je godinama radio u datacentru".)...

A sto se tice kupovine slazem se, ako su to 2-3 diska kupi nove, ako je 8,10,12.... puno komada onda je usteda znacjana.
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Staro 11.09.2023., 19:45   #4
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Koliko garancije je bilo ostalo na tom IronWolfu kojeg si poslao natrag?

Da sam na tvom mjestu, izvadio bih taj vakumirani disk, stavio ga u komp i malo ga opteretio dok ne izađe tih 6 mjeseci.
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Staro 11.09.2023., 19:51   #5
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Koliko garancije je bilo ostalo na tom IronWolfu kojeg si poslao natrag?

Da sam na tvom mjestu, izvadio bih taj vakumirani disk, stavio ga u komp i malo ga opteretio dok ne izađe tih 6 mjeseci.

Pročitaj prvu rečenicu što je napisao. Isteklo je davno tih 6 mjeseci.
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Staro 11.09.2023., 20:18   #6
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Koliko garancije je bilo ostalo na tom IronWolfu kojeg si poslao natrag?
Bio je star nekih 20ak mjeseci (od 36) i citav RMA je bio trajao nekih 35 dana (naravno ja sam u međuvremenu kupio drugi Hdd da rebuildam raid polje (shr 2).
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Zadnje izmijenjeno od: Lewis. 11.09.2023. u 21:42.
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Staro 11.09.2023., 21:38   #7
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Eto ga ga na, informacija skrivena na vidljivom mjestu.

Rekao bih da je nekorektno disk kojem je ostalo 15-16 mjeseci garancije zamijeniti za diskom koji ima 6.
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Staro 12.09.2023., 08:39   #8
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Ja sam prije koju godinu dobio od Seagatea (za reklamirnai disk) Recertified HDD. Moj je bio u garanciji i pojavili se BadBlocovi (Ironwolf 8TB) i dobio sma "novi" tj. vakumiran od Seagate ali sa drugacijom naljepnicom tj. recertified. Garancija je bila 6 mjeseci od njih (eno g ajos mi sotji u rezervi/ormaru neotpakiran ).

Samo jos napomena da refurbished i recertified nije isto tj. recertified bi trebao biti manje koristeni/boljie ili cak nekoristeni (to sam dodao zbog koleginog komentara o "nekom disku koji je godinama radio u datacentru".)...

A sto se tice kupovine slazem se, ako su to 2-3 diska kupi nove, ako je 8,10,12.... puno komada onda je usteda znacjana.

Tako se i ja vodim,



Dobio refurbished od WD-a smece. Krepali nakon 2 mjeseca


Ove eventualno stavit u neko polje da imas sigurnost da ako krepa ne bude oslo sve u k....

A ako je solo disk ne bi ga bas koristio osim kao prijenosni ili kaj ali pod uvjetom da podaci nisu toliko bitni ako krepa
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Staro 12.09.2023., 16:31   #9
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Prije par godina, 2019., ADM je na lageru imao Ultrastarove, ne znam da li su recertified ili refurbished, na računu piše "tvornički obnovljeni" i imali su jamstvo 3 mjeseca.
Kupio sam više komada 4TB modela HUS726040ALA610 i *614 i evo još danas veselo drndaju u raznoj serverčadi (većnom NASevi).
Koštali su ~45% cijene novih (nešto malo manje od nekog tadašnjeg 4TB consumer modela) pa je ideja bila da ću i u najgorem slučaju, da ih crkne pola, završiti na nuli.
Lutrija kao i za svaki HDD/SDD, nabaviti ih što više po manjoj cijeni i bez puno emocija kad crknu zamijeniti rezervnim.
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Uzeo prvo 4, sada dodatna 2 HDDa od ovog sellera.
https://www.ebay.de/str/serverschmiede

14TB 7.2k 3.5" LFF SATA3 WD HC530 24/7 Enterprise HDD Hard Drive +zero hours+

na NASu 27TB kapaciteta (3 HDDa) uz 1 hot spare i svi su poceli od 0 radnih sati, za sada 4500 radnih sati i sve ok bez ikakvih stucavica.
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Da li ga dobro zapakiraju kod shippinga?
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Super dobro. Dobijes ga u vakumiranom pakiranju, s nula sati sa cvrstom kutijom i pravim zracnim pakiranjem. Kad sam uzeo 4 komada, onda sam dobio tvornicko stiroporno pakiranje u kakvom inace dobijam diskove na poslu.
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Kupuje tko sata diskove ovih mjeseci? Gledam si nesto 16TB+, WD recertified ima relativno dobre cijene ali bode me u oko samo 1y garancije Plan je uzeti 2 pa tjerat mirror ili 3 pa raid z1 + backup na mirror ili jos jedan z1. Tipa 4-6 diskova bih trebao. Da li je sigurnije pratiti one toshibe s mindfactory koje Oldmachine spominjao da imaju po 5y garancije?
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Ako pitas za wd recertified, u storu njihovom https://www.westerndigital.com/en-ie...LG0160HBK-EESN Ima svega, treba gledati kad se kaj pojavi, i popusti su isto random. Unutra je toboze white label helium hitachi 550 ili koji model, ima po redditu postova dok ih ekipa vadi. Jedina je caka da su diskovi 5400rpm, sto prema nekima i nije lose (nisam skolovala, ali neka lol prica ide da jes, sporiji je mozda, ali duze ce 5400 raditi nego 7200).
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Ja sam ih isto gledao (baš te od 16-18TB) jer su bili na nekoj akciji zadnjih tjedana, ali čitao hrpu toga i na kraju odustao. Ipak ću pričekati neku akciju na Seagate 3.5 eksterni.
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Baš će jedna Baracuda na 5400 dulje raditi od Exosa na 7200 :D

Ili WD Green/Blue na 5400 dulje od Gold ili HC serije na 7200….
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Koliko vidim, moji green diskovi su nadživjeli dobar dio skupljih/boljih/pouzdanijih diskova ovdje kupljenih u slično vrijeme.
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Baš će jedna Baracuda na 5400 dulje raditi od Exosa na 7200

Ili WD Green/Blue na 5400 dulje od Gold ili HC serije na 7200….
Hoće. Evo, već mi je treći Exos crknuo. Nii on ni prethodnik nisu trajali 24h.
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Ja sam ih isto gledao (baš te od 16-18TB) jer su bili na nekoj akciji zadnjih tjedana, ali čitao hrpu toga i na kraju odustao. Ipak ću pričekati neku akciju na Seagate 3.5 eksterni.
Bil je neki bug u storu, cijena je bila 218e za elements 16tb. Neki kupon 10% je radio i cijena je bila 196e. Idiot nisam kupio jer su prije toga bili 205e pa reko bude to islo jos dole pa kupon pa da vidis. U medjuvremenu su kupon popravili da radi na full cijenu pa se uopce vise 10% na full cijenu ne isplati
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Hoće. Evo, već mi je treći Exos crknuo. Nii on ni prethodnik nisu trajali 24h.
Gdje si nabavio te nesretne diskove?
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Umag. Prvi je crkao nakon 6 mjeseci, drugi DOA, treći praktički isto DOA. Uopće ne krivim dealera. Ovaj treći je došao direktno iz NL sa RMA. Zlajo nije ni otvorio kutiju nego je na nju zakeljio moje podatke i poslao meni.
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Ili WD Green/Blue na 5400 dulje od Gold ili HC serije na 7200….
3x3TB WD Green, imaju power on hours preko 80000, tj. preko 9 godina. I dalje rade k'o novi
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Recertified diskovi

Imam i ja doma Greenove stare 12 i 13 godina koji se još uvijek veselo vrte. Vjerujem da je to djelomično i do WD Idle toola. Te serije su bile izuzetak.

Exos mi niti jedan nikad nije krepao a na poslu roštamo po njima 24/7. Nabavljeni su putem enterprise kanala. Tko zna otkuda to dolazi i kako se transportira kada tako krepavaju.
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meni WD također 13-14 godina aktivni, u kompu koji gori 24/7 već 10 godina, rade bez ikakvih problema.
štoviše, upravo su mi oni bili backup diska koji mi je krepa u mom serveru za koji sam uzima sada ironwolf.
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Umag. Prvi je crkao nakon 6 mjeseci, drugi DOA, treći praktički isto DOA. Uopće ne krivim dealera. Ovaj treći je došao direktno iz NL sa RMA. Zlajo nije ni otvorio kutiju nego je na nju zakeljio moje podatke i poslao meni.
Pa to je stvarno katastrofa. Ali bolje da je DOA pa da kasnije nema zajebancije.

@medo, mislim da je to bila ova dostavna služba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YrpmZFixp0
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