Telemach - Optika - Stranica 14

Nikky · 03.05.2022., 15:08

A bemu miša, zato jer pamet routera(obično) traži ili očekuje da mu je na WAN strani vs Lan strani različiti mrežni segment.
Kod nekih to nije problem dok kod drugih je i bune se.

Gašenjem DHCP servera "na prvom" pomogne kod takvih kombinacija.

dadoremix · 03.05.2022., 15:53

veliš, ništa više
gateway, dns .. to ništ ?

¸Mid · 03.05.2022., 23:37

Meni nije problem DHCP. To rijesim na masinama.
Problem je mrezni segment sa 1.x, umjesto 0.x.

Instalirani servisi bi se ili raspali da idem mijenjati to sve ili bi trajalo duze nego da sve instaliram ispocetka.

Nisam raspolozen niti za jednu opciju jer imam posla i bez toga.

ferenc · 16.05.2022., 12:47

kod mene je ovakva situacija, trenutno sam na a1 coax, 200/100 ili tako nesto, i ping u igrama tipa battlefield 1, hots, i sl. je oko 22-30, uglavnom oko 25

uzeo sam optiku od telemacha na onih probnih mj dana i to mi istice sad za dan dva. na optici sam probao sve te iste igre preko istog kabla na istom pc i ping je duplo veci, cesto i preko 50.

iskreno dl/ul mi nije tolko bitan, ping mi je puno bitniji. bilo bi mi draze da je za te iste novce ovaj od telemacha, ali ako im je ping duplo losiji u igrama, na zalost cu morati ostati u a1.

jel ima itko ideju zasto je to tako, jer cudno mi je da je na optici losiji ping u apsolutno svim igrama koje sam probao? jel ima itko slicna iskustva s telemachom?

imam pristup njima jos koji dan pa ako itko ima kakvu ideju kaj testirati/probati nek javi

hvala

Blagus · 16.05.2022., 13:33

Možda Telemach ima lošije rute (kao što HT sve gura kroz Frankfurt). Probaj traceroute napraviti prema: 1.1.1.1, 8.8.8.8, telemach.hr, ftp.hr.debian.org, hetzner.com, 161.129.64.235. Pa zaljepi rezultate ovdje da vidimo kud putuju paketi.

ferenc · 16.05.2022., 14:40

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Možda Telemach ima lošije rute (kao što HT sve gura kroz Frankfurt). Probaj traceroute napraviti prema: 1.1.1.1, 8.8.8.8, telemach.hr, ftp.hr.debian.org, hetzner.com, 161.129.64.235. Pa zaljepi rezultate ovdje da vidimo kud putuju paketi.

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Marko :) · 17.05.2022., 15:36

Može li netko tko se baš razumije u routing mreža reći tko je bolji u ovom slučaju; Telemach ili A1?

Jer meni izgleda kao da Telemach ima bolje i kraće rute. Dok se na MTR-u od A1 vidi čak i packet loss prema njihovim poslužiteljima u AT.

ferenc · 17.05.2022., 16:58

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Autor Marko :)

Može li netko tko se baš razumije u routing mreža reći tko je bolji u ovom slučaju; Telemach ili A1?

Jer meni izgleda kao da Telemach ima bolje i kraće rute. Dok se na MTR-u od A1 vidi čak i packet loss prema njihovim poslužiteljima u AT.

da, i mene to zanima, jos mi je cudnije u cijeloj toj prici da a1 ima znatno bolji ping u igrama. do preksutra moram odluciti jel uzimam telemach ili ostajem na a1

Blagus · 17.05.2022., 17:31

Telemach ide i prema Hetzneru u Njemačkoj i prema QuadraNetu u Nizozemskoj kroz Teliu. A1 prema Hetzneru prolazi kroz svoju mrežu u Austriji a prema Nizozemskoj ide kroz GTT.

Moguće je da Telemach prema svemu što je vani ide kroz Teliu (trebalo bi odvrtjeti još tracerouteova da potvrdimo), a A1 bi s više upstreamova mogao izabrati kraću i/ili manje opterećenu rutu pa zato ima manji ping. Trebao bi odvrtjeti test prema serverima na kojima igraš u isto vrijeme na oba providera pa bi možda bili pametniji.

Marko :) · 17.05.2022., 19:15

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Autor Blagus

Telemach ide i prema Hetzneru u Njemačkoj i prema QuadraNetu u Nizozemskoj kroz Teliu. A1 prema Hetzneru prolazi kroz svoju mrežu u Austriji a prema Nizozemskoj ide kroz GTT.

Moguće je da Telemach prema svemu što je vani ide kroz Teliu (trebalo bi odvrtjeti još tracerouteova da potvrdimo), a A1 bi s više upstreamova mogao izabrati kraću i/ili manje opterećenu rutu pa zato ima manji ping. Trebao bi odvrtjeti test prema serverima na kojima igraš u isto vrijeme na oba providera pa bi možda bili pametniji.

Ali opet—A1 na rutama koje idu kroz AT (gotovo sav promet prema van) ima packet loss. Telemach nema nigdje. Telemach i prema MTR testovima ima i manji ping, pa me čudi da prema pojedinim game serverima ima viši ping od A1.

@ferenc Nabavi IP adresu game servera, pa odvrti MTR na A1 i Telemach. Negdje razlike mora biti, ali prema ovim gore MTR testovima, Telemach ispada pobjednik. Neke rute su kraće i nigdje nema packet loss.

03.05.2022., 15:08	#391
Nikky Moderator Datum registracije: Sep 2006 Lokacija: St Postovi: 22,575	A bemu miša, zato jer pamet routera(obično) traži ili očekuje da mu je na WAN strani vs Lan strani različiti mrežni segment. Kod nekih to nije problem dok kod drugih je i bune se. Gašenjem DHCP servera "na prvom" pomogne kod takvih kombinacija.

03.05.2022., 15:53	#392
dadoremix Premium Moj komp Datum registracije: Nov 2006 Lokacija: HR Postovi: 4,529	veliš, ništa više gateway, dns .. to ništ ?

03.05.2022., 23:37	#393
¸Mid Registered User Datum registracije: Aug 2006 Lokacija: Zagreb Postovi: 39	Meni nije problem DHCP. To rijesim na masinama. Problem je mrezni segment sa 1.x, umjesto 0.x. Instalirani servisi bi se ili raspali da idem mijenjati to sve ili bi trajalo duze nego da sve instaliram ispocetka. Nisam raspolozen niti za jednu opciju jer imam posla i bez toga.

16.05.2022., 12:47	#394
ferenc Registered User Moj komp Datum registracije: Feb 2009 Lokacija: zg Postovi: 24	kod mene je ovakva situacija, trenutno sam na a1 coax, 200/100 ili tako nesto, i ping u igrama tipa battlefield 1, hots, i sl. je oko 22-30, uglavnom oko 25 uzeo sam optiku od telemacha na onih probnih mj dana i to mi istice sad za dan dva. na optici sam probao sve te iste igre preko istog kabla na istom pc i ping je duplo veci, cesto i preko 50. iskreno dl/ul mi nije tolko bitan, ping mi je puno bitniji. bilo bi mi draze da je za te iste novce ovaj od telemacha, ali ako im je ping duplo losiji u igrama, na zalost cu morati ostati u a1. jel ima itko ideju zasto je to tako, jer cudno mi je da je na optici losiji ping u apsolutno svim igrama koje sam probao? jel ima itko slicna iskustva s telemachom? imam pristup njima jos koji dan pa ako itko ima kakvu ideju kaj testirati/probati nek javi hvala

16.05.2022., 13:33	#395
Blagus Premium Datum registracije: Jun 2012 Lokacija: Zagreb Postovi: 505	Možda Telemach ima lošije rute (kao što HT sve gura kroz Frankfurt). Probaj traceroute napraviti prema: 1.1.1.1, 8.8.8.8, telemach.hr, ftp.hr.debian.org, hetzner.com, 161.129.64.235. Pa zaljepi rezultate ovdje da vidimo kud putuju paketi.

17.05.2022., 15:36	#397
Marko :) Registered User Datum registracije: Feb 2016 Lokacija: Unknown Postovi: 634	Može li netko tko se baš razumije u routing mreža reći tko je bolji u ovom slučaju; Telemach ili A1? Jer meni izgleda kao da Telemach ima bolje i kraće rute. Dok se na MTR-u od A1 vidi čak i packet loss prema njihovim poslužiteljima u AT.

17.05.2022., 17:31	#399
Blagus Premium Datum registracije: Jun 2012 Lokacija: Zagreb Postovi: 505	Telemach ide i prema Hetzneru u Njemačkoj i prema QuadraNetu u Nizozemskoj kroz Teliu. A1 prema Hetzneru prolazi kroz svoju mrežu u Austriji a prema Nizozemskoj ide kroz GTT. Moguće je da Telemach prema svemu što je vani ide kroz Teliu (trebalo bi odvrtjeti još tracerouteova da potvrdimo), a A1 bi s više upstreamova mogao izabrati kraću i/ili manje opterećenu rutu pa zato ima manji ping. Trebao bi odvrtjeti test prema serverima na kojima igraš u isto vrijeme na oba providera pa bi možda bili pametniji.

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