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Staro 18.12.2025., 10:58   #391
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Samo cekam da vidim kako Exxon, Shell i ostali naftasi se ubace u biznis sa memorijama.
A i vrijeme je onda da osnuju OMEC - Organization of the Memory Exporting Countries (pandan OPEC-u za naftu).
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Staro 18.12.2025., 12:00   #392
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Evo baš sam jutros naletio na normanu cijenu memorije.

Amazon nudi memoriju po normalnoj cijeni, samo je datum ispruke malo problematičan

https://www.amazon.it/-/en/2x16GB-64...ef=sr_1_3?th=1

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How long will this last? “Memory prices are likely to remain elevated through 2027-2028, with partial normalisation a realistic possibility only when new fabrication facilities reach volume production; an oversupply scenario in 2028-2029 remains a realistic possibility if AI demand moderates as capacity expands.”

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Kak god se okrene i na koji god način ih se blokira i prikazuje u zapadnim medijima, Kina se u posljednjih nekoliko desetljeća fino pozicionirala u svjetskom poretku, zato ovi u Americi i paničare svaki put kad postoji i najmanja naznaka da su ih Kinezi u nečemu nadmašili, a s godinama je toga sve više i više. Lakše im je reći da je riječ o nekoj nazadnoj komunističkoj smijuriji od države, nego prihvatiti činjenicu da većina toga kaj američki narod uporno smatra domaćom proizvodnjom, odavno dolazi s područja zemlje koja je do jučer bila hrpa ribarskih sela.
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Za nas krajnje korisnike nikakve koristi od tih kineza i cxmt-a, i oni se orijentiraju na AI, domaće potrebe i domaće mobilne brendove.
I btw, debelo su inferiorniji od velike trojke i kasne par desetljeća.
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Aha, na stranu sad da je u više od sat vremena sve puno materijala (kak smo i prije komentirali) koji dokazuje totalno suprotno, odnosno CXMT (RAM) i YMTC (NAND) čipovi su itekak pristuni i uspjeli su dostići Samsung, Micron i SK Hynix do te mjere da se zajedno s njima pojavljuju diljem QVL lista za popularne RAM i SSD/NVMe marke koje koriste njihove čipove. Tim više, jer su svi popularni proizvođači koje Heavy Metal Steve spominje u dokumentracu, na ovogodišnjem CES-u uredno predstavili nove RAM i SSD/NVMe modele koji se između ostalog baziraju i na CXMT i YMTC rješenjima uz nekih 25% niže cijene. Koliko god se svi na Zapadu uvjeravali da su te kineske firme nekakav šrot i u velikom zaostatku, cijela priča podsjeća na onu iz auto-industrije i slično bude se desilo s RAM i SSD/NVMe situacijom.
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Je, a s vremenom su uspjeli istovremeno uspješno proizvoditi svoje i kopirati tuđe, nema čega nema kaj (ni)su u stanju realizirati.

Tak da ne bude ništa čudno kad se i kroz RAM i NAND čipove začas utabore u ovim zapadnjačkim utvrdama.
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Aha, na stranu sad da je u više od sat vremena sve puno materijala (kak smo i prije komentirali) koji dokazuje totalno suprotno, odnosno CXMT (RAM) i YMTC (NAND) čipovi su itekak pristuni i uspjeli su dostići Samsung, Micron i SK Hynix do te mjere da se zajedno s njima pojavljuju diljem QVL lista za popularne RAM i SSD/NVMe marke koje koriste njihove čipove. Tim više, jer su svi popularni proizvođači koje Heavy Metal Steve spominje u dokumentracu, na ovogodišnjem CES-u uredno predstavili nove RAM i SSD/NVMe modele koji se između ostalog baziraju i na CXMT i YMTC rješenjima uz nekih 25% niže cijene. Koliko god se svi na Zapadu uvjeravali da su te kineske firme nekakav šrot i u velikom zaostatku, cijela priča podsjeća na onu iz auto-industrije i slično bude se desilo s RAM i SSD/NVMe situacijom.
Ovo ljudi ne razumiju, i dalje im je mindset na china shopu "Sve za 12kn". Kina odavno nije zemlja riže, motike i niskotehnoloških proizvoda. Ne znam jel' itko bio u kojem većem gradu u toj zemlji? Ja jesam, davne 2017. I oni tehnologijom naizgled nisu uopće zaostajali za zapadom, dapače u primjeni nekih stvari su bili dosta naprijed u ono vrijeme.

Nemojmo se zavaravati da Kina ne konkurira zapadu na svim tehnološkim poljima... ne drže Amerikanci bzvz svoje tehnološke kompanije na tlu SAD-a svim silama... pokušavaju ne napraviti iste pogreške koje je Europa napravila sa automobilskim kompanijama u krizi 2009. (Volvo anyone?)...

Suma sumarum, mi (Hrvatska) smo selendra po pitanju tehnologije ako gledamo Kinu kao takvu... ali mi smo selendra i za EU i SAD, a Kina nije daleko od njih
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I još se k tome firme sa Zapada prave Englezi u činjenici da su prije nekoliko desetljeća svoje proizvodnje zbog (osjetno) jeftinije radne snage, preselili na Istok, ponajviše ovaj dio Azije koji im je sad trn u oku, jer su ih dostigli i(li) prestigli. Amerikanci su dan-danas uvjereni da Apple proizvodi iPhone uređaje u njihovim saveznim državama koristeći dijelove iz podjednako domaće proizvodnje, pa se kasnije čude jako visokim cijenama svega i svačega, jer se ostatku svijeta uvode razno-razni nameti, carine i tarife, koje onda direktno plaćaju američki krajnji kupci.
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uspjeli su dostići Samsung, Micron i SK Hynix

Uz malu pomoć krađe IP-a, državnih subvencija i ASML mašina....
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No, sve kaj je Heavy Metal Steve već pokril u svojim prijašnjim dokumentarcima, a mi aktivno prokometirali tu na forumu. Jebiga, ali nakon propasti Qimondae, CXMT je (po)kupil sve kaj su mogli, dok ASML mašine ipak još nemaju na nivou kakvim barata npr. TSMC, jer Amerika ASML-u blokira prodaju, dok aktivno subvencioniraju Micron i spašavaju Intel, te općenito kroz propriličnu dozu licemjerja pametuju cijelom svijetu o kojem možda i ovise više, nego ostatak svijeta o Americi.
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CXMT has licensed IP originally designed by Qimonda. This means that it has ties with Micron, which owns that intellectual property, or just acquired it from Xi'an UniIC, which also has it. Micron's Investor Relations is involved with CXMT.
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Taiwan investigators raided the homes of former TSMC executive Wei-Jen Lo on Wednesday, seizing computers, USB drives, and other evidence under a search warrant, prosecutors said. On Thursday, a court approved the seizure of his shares and real estate. Today, Taiwan authorities have now frozen over NT$2 billion (US$64 million) worth of Lo's assets, including NT$1.8 billion in TSMC stock, China Times reports. Intel continues to deny TSMC's allegations and said it fully supports its new hire.
To je ta domaća (američka) proizvodnja koja se boji da se njima ne desi ono kaj oni rade drugima.
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Ovo ljudi ne razumiju, i dalje im je mindset na china shopu "Sve za 12kn". Kina odavno nije zemlja riže, motike i niskotehnoloških proizvoda.
Realno, nitko tko prati tehnologiju/ekonomiju zadnjih 10+ godina ne misli to o Kini, tako da je i to potpuno pogrešna teza.
Sve se zna o njihovim mogućnostima i tehnologiji, sve to tamo izgleda jako futuristički i sređeno, ali to sve ne znači da ih treba ovdje predstavljat kao good guys kao što neki rade jer to definitivno nisu niti treba težiti njihovom uređenju društva.
Ne znam kome paše tehnokracija i potpuna kontrola svega, jer ta njihova trka sa zapadom ima svoju cijenu.
Ali to su neke druge teme...

Što se tiče CXMT-a, on je tu samo za da zadovolji domaće potrebe i smanji ovisnost o uvozu.
Na nekakvom globalnom nivou ima udio od par % pa ne znam što se tu ima više pričati.
Micron, Samsung i Hynx su na 10-12nm proizvodnom procesu dok su ovi još na 16 nm.
Pitanje je hoće li ikada imati opremu i tehnologiju da mogu uopće prići velikoj trojci s obzirom na patente i sankcije od strane amera prema konkurenciji.

Ovi jaki igrači imaju garantiranu kvalitetu čipova koju su gradili desetljećima dok CXMT:
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-comp...e-market-force

Poznavajući kineze bit će tu uvijek puno laganja, fejkanja testova i svega ostalog.

Ali kako sam rekao, što god da bude, ako potrošačko tržište nije više zanimljivo jačim igračima, neće sigurno biti ni kinezima i radije će ulagati u svoje data centre.
Kud kasne dobrano za ovima, još da se fokusiraju na nešto što su ovi napustili i gdje su manje pare, pa gdje je tu logika....

Tako da, ta borba zapad vs. kina se stvarno nas ne bi trebala ticati niti trebamo navijati za nekoga.
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Mislim da tu nitko ne navija za diktaturu, cenzuru, tajne policije, fašizam i sl. oblike autoritarizama, ali obzirom na aktualnu situaciju gdje se Amerika pred očima svijeta pretvara u te iste, ako ne i veće sile zla od kojih sebe i sve oko sebe kao brani, sama činjenica da je Heavy Metal Steve kupil memorije i diskove bazirane na CXMT i YMTC čipovima, te ih namjerava testirati, dovoljno govori o tome da šrot kineske firme nemaju problema s realizacijom svojih pothvata. I ukoliko se ispostavi da ta jeftina kineska roba nije ništa lošija od ove iz Svetog Trojstva, a Kinezi su u stanju preplaviti svjetsko tržište popriličnim količinama, e onda je to itekakav problem za Samsung, Micron i SK Hynix, jer su Kinezi opet i po ko zna koji put u relativno kratkom vremenskom periodu uspjeli postići ono kaj ostali nisu do te mjere da kak Steve i navodi u svojem osvrtu - čak ni američka publika više nema problema s kupnjom tzv. kineske škart robe.
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I ukoliko se ispostavi da ta jeftina kineska roba nije ništa lošija od ove iz Svetog Trojstva, a Kinezi su u stanju preplaviti svjetsko tržište popriličnim količinama...
Mislim da svaki potrošač navija za takav scenariji, ali stvarno ne vidim kako bi to bilo moguće s obzirom na kapacitete i iskustvo dotične kompanije na tržištu.
Čak i da im uskoči država sa par milijardi i da potiče izvoz te memorije kao što rade s mnogo drugih stvari, mislim da ćemo se teško vratiti na cijene na kakve su bile prije ovog svega.
Ne može se nadoknadit odsustvo 3 kompanije koje drže preko 90% tržišta, a koje polako idu u drugim smjerovima.
U svakom slučaju, sve ćemo vidjeti.
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Cijene se sigurno ne budu vratile na stanje kakvo smo imali prije svega tri-četiri mjeseca, ali ako ovi kineski proizvođači uz malo veću prisutnost diljem globalnog tržišta, uspiju donekle primriti suludi rast cijena i omogućiti normalnu dostupnost, već to bude dosta dobro za većinu krajnjih korisnika. I na to se zapravo Heavy Metal Steve osvrnul u tom dokumentarcu, a još kad se maknu američki i kineski propagandni materijali, ništa čudno ne bi bilo da CXMT i YMTC postignu isti efekt kakav su npr. BambuLab, UGREEN, BYD, Xiaomi i sl. postigli u svojim tržišnim segmentima.
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Cijene se sigurno ne budu vratile na stanje kakvo smo imali prije svega tri-četiri mjeseca ...
Ovo. Ekipica je u nekoliko mjeseci tolko perja nabrala, da misle da su Boga primili za bradu. Svijesni su da je balon (kao i svi oko njih), al je ipak vrijedno izlaska iz consumer tržišta.
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A jbg, imas ljudi kojima fakat treba, i oni ce kupit. Nije da nece trepnut, al ak je to recimo stvar posla, kupit ce. Ja sam jednom klijentu sad nadogradjivao i kupovao PC, siri posao, zaposljava jos ljudi jer mu je uletila prilika, i sad je jednu radnu stanicu kupio novu, a jednu malo stariju nadogradio RAMom plus brzi SSD. Je mu puno al brzo ce mu se otplatit.
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