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Staro 24.02.2026., 18:09   #271
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Nekidan sam naletio na neki YT video od Ricka Beata, lik koristi neki AI alat za izvlacenje kanala u pjesmama... Provuces pjesmu kroz taj alat i dobijes traku za vokal, gitaru, bas gitaru, klavijature, bubnja, itd... Meni se to cini kao jako korisno recimo...

Sa druge strane, imam i digikam koji mi je isto jako koristan kod prepoznavanja lica... Ubacim mu jedno 10.000 fotki i pustim ga da sve to pregleda pa kad nadje lica da me pita tko je to i ja mu kazem na training setu od recimo 100-150 fotki... Nakon toga on sam trazi tko je tko na fotkama i pise metadata... To je recimo korisno...
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Staro 24.02.2026., 18:33   #272
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Da se nisam rastao u srednjim godinama, pitao bi ga kako češće umočit u 40-ima i kako da mi mozak ne istruli na monotonom i dosadnom, pomalo uhljebskom poslu. A vidim ima još kandidata za takvo pitanje.

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Staro 24.02.2026., 18:43   #273
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Meni umjetno generirana glazba nije sva loša. Ima dosta (tona) raznih "synth wave 80tih" kanala (što je meni atraktivan smjer) ili npr. Metallica u sto pedeset stilova. Meni je to OK i poštujem što vlasnici kanala otvoreno kažu da je u pitanju "AI" + ručno editiranje. Mislim da je poanta upravo u tom ručnom dijelu, ljudi stave točku na i pa kompozicija stekne određenu kvalitetu.

Ima naravno i tona smeća gdje se stvara sva moguća "glazba" u svim mogućim periodima u svim mogućim permutacijama. Jedan od većih razloga da sam odjebo yobito naslovnu, kada ti jednom zagadi ponuđeno nema boga da to više očistiš.

Meni je "AI" donekle pomogao generiranjem pitanja, raznih težina, na temu računalstva. Tražim da mi složi 20 komada bez programiranja npr., da/ne ili višestruki izbor ili asocijacija i bude to OK. Imam ja poslije još dosta ručnog posla da to sve provjerim, eliminiram budalaštine i duplikate, formatiramo kako spada i sl. ali svakako pomogne.

Ovo što kolege govore za aplikacije, meni osobno ono što mi je trebalo sam si uvijek napravio sam i nije mi to teško padalo. Razvio sam par desetaka raznih alata tokom godina u raznim tehnologijama i iskreno ne pada mi na pamet da bih se oko takvog nečeg natezao sa AI. Ono što mi je s tim alatima uvijek bilo atraktivno je dosta dobar ROI i naročito to što, nakon nešto sporijeg starta i početne investicije truda, s vremenom bih imao odličan potencijal za napraviti poprilično veliki iskorak uz minimalnu doradu aplikacije, prema tamo kako su se pojavljivale potrebe odnosno kako se razvijala moja metoda rada. Smatram da je to integralni dio mog radnog iskustva i ne vidim zašto bih se odrekao takvog posla.

Istovremeno razumijem da nekome tko nije vičan programiranju takav posao nije niti malo atraktivan. Ja sam kažem da ima ljudi koji vole odraditi takve stvari. Ako gledamo developere, valjda jedini dopaminski udarac kojeg mogu zaraditi tijekom dana je nakon što napišu neku zanimljivu liniju koda. Ako im to oduzmeš, šta im ostaje? Ispada da bi developeri trebali svi postati technical manageri. Sretno im bilo.

Ako bih "AI" nešto htio prepustiti, to je metenje, usisavanje, vješanje robe na sušenje i ostali poslovi tog tipa. Ponekad dobiješ dobar boost i nakon čišćenja, ali češće je to ipak gnjavaža Kreativnije posliće ću ipak pustiti sebi.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Da se nisam rastao u srednjim godinama, pitao bi ga kako češće umočit u 40-ima i kako da mi mozak ne istruli na monotonom i dosadnom, pomalo uhljebskom poslu. A vidim ima još kandidata za takvo pitanje.

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Ne vidim čemu služe takvi debilni komentari. Ako nemaš šta pametnije, možda da pitaš AI:

Hoću li kretenskim komentarima na internetu raditi od sebe debila ili da ipak odolim iskušenju?
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 24.02.2026., 19:08   #275
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Bas me zanima kako bi se ChatGPT snasao sa onim ezotericnim programskim jezicima tipa Piet, Befunge, Rockstar, Brainf*ck i slicnim...

https://esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list

Mozda bi imao fantasticne rezultate u tim jezicima!
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Ne vidim čemu služe takvi debilni komentari. Ako nemaš šta pametnije, možda da pitaš AI:

Hoću li kretenskim komentarima na internetu raditi od sebe debila ili da ipak odolim iskušenju?
Napravio sam od sebe debila, komentar je donekle politički korektan i tiče se AI-a. U čemu je problem?
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Napravio sam od sebe debila, komentar je donekle politički korektan i tiče se AI-a. U čemu je problem?
Decki, dosta...
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Ako nema hrpetina koda za kopiranje, vjerojatno nikako.
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Ako nema hrpetina koda za kopiranje, vjerojatno nikako.
Nesto sitno koda postoji, ali onako, za hello world i slicno... Ocekivao bih da ce laprdalo nauciti sintaksu i poceti pisati kod kako spada...

Evo primjer kako izgleda 'Hello world' u Brainfucku... https://therenegadecoder.com/code/he...-in-brainfuck/

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+.------------.>++++++[<+++++++++>-]<+.<.+++.------.--------.>>>++++[<++++++++>-
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A ovako bi to izgledalo u Pietu... https://retas.de/thomas/computer/pro...t/explain.html

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Evo opet sam probo trik pitanje (https://forum.pcekspert.com/showpost...0&postcount=81)... Free ChatGPT i dalje pojma nema...


Pitanje:

imamo pravokutni trokut sa hipotenuzom 10 i visine 6... Treba izracunati povrsinu trokuta...

Odgovor (potpuno krivo je shvatio):

Imamo **pravokutni trokut** s:

* hipotenuzom ( c = 10 )
* jednom katetom (visinom) ( a = 6 ) <- ovdje je vec omasio

### 1️⃣ Izračun druge katete

Koristimo Pitagorin poučak:

a^2 + b^2 = c^2

6^2 + b^2 = 10^2

36 + b^2 = 100

b^2 = 64

b = 8

Dakle druga kateta je **8**.

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### 2️⃣ Izračun površine

Površina pravokutnog trokuta računa se formulom:

P = a*b / 2

P = 6 * 8 / 2

P = 48 / 2 = 24

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## ✅ Površina trokuta je **24** (kvadratnih jedinica).

Ako želiš, mogu ti pokazati i brži trik kako odmah prepoznati da je ovo 6-8-10 trokut ��
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Danas mi palo na pamet ono moje od nekidan da kroz neko dogledno vrijeme vise nece biti potrebe za aplikacijama jer ce AI odradjivati posao koji sada rade Excel, Photoshop i ostale aplikacije... I onda mi sine - jbt, pa to ce bit energetska nocna mora! Pa upravo aplikacije omogucavaju, ajmo to tako nazvati, efikasnu upotrebu racunalne snage! Jer AI koji ce krenuti desifrirati sto ja tocno zelim i onda sve to pobaca u Excel ce potrositi kudikamo vise energije nego ja i Excel... Onako, enormno vise energije! Moj mozak trosi kolko? 20W? A Excel ce za racunanje tamo neke formule potrositi par W snage... I kako se to onda moze mjeriti sa par kilovata koje ce spalit AI samo da bi desifrirao sto sam ja napisao?!

Dzizs, ozbiljno cemo imati problema sa energijom u buducnosti... :/
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Kada netko krene pisati/pričati o "potrošnji snage" dođe mi slabo. Snaga se razvija, troši se energija (zapravo pretvara u druge oblike). Te i slične fraze su baš postalo dobro ukorijenjene u svim porama društva.

Ako pričamo o potrošnji odnosno usporedbi potrošnje, treba onda s jedne strane računati da excel, makar za sada, sam sebe ne pogoni u vakuumu, tako da ipak pričamo o malo više od par W. S druge strane, valja uzeti u obzir stvarno vrijeme procesiranja tvog zahtijeva prema "AI" te pomnožiti taj broj sa x iteracija.

Na kraju, nekako sumnjam da bi utrošak električne energije za sat dva excela bio znatno različit od utroška potrebnog za potrebni broj tokena. Možda griješim.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Kada netko krene pisati/pričati o "potrošnji snage" dođe mi slabo. Snaga se razvija, troši se energija (zapravo pretvara u druge oblike). Te i slične fraze su baš postalo dobro ukorijenjene u svim porama društva.
Ali on je zavrsio FER! I sve kuzi o "AI-u". I zapravo kuzi sve o... svemu. On je, izgleda, postavio Teorija svega!

Osim osnovnoskolske matematike i fizike. Barem 7. i 8. razred, po vidjenom samo u ovoj dretvi.
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Kao što sam napisao, neprecizan govor je opće raširen i toliko sveprisutan da ljudi više niti ne obraćaju pažnju, čak ako i razumiju o čemu se radi. Što u slučaju snage i energije često baš i nije slučaj.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Kada netko krene pisati/pričati o "potrošnji snage" dođe mi slabo. Snaga se razvija, troši se energija (zapravo pretvara u druge oblike). Te i slične fraze su baš postalo dobro ukorijenjene u svim porama društva.

Ako pričamo o potrošnji odnosno usporedbi potrošnje, treba onda s jedne strane računati da excel, makar za sada, sam sebe ne pogoni u vakuumu, tako da ipak pričamo o malo više od par W. S druge strane, valja uzeti u obzir stvarno vrijeme procesiranja tvog zahtijeva prema "AI" te pomnožiti taj broj sa x iteracija.

Na kraju, nekako sumnjam da bi utrošak električne energije za sat dva excela bio znatno različit od utroška potrebnog za potrebni broj tokena. Možda griješim.
E stvarno ne znam sto da kazem... Mislim, ja sam stvarno nazi po pitanju krivog koristenja termina i jako me zivciraju voditelji u Dnevniku kad pocnu pricati o dalekovodima snage 110 kilovolti i slicno, al ovdje me bilo bas briga... Da sam napisao Wh kao jedinicu energije, e to tek nitko ne bi shvatio sto je pisac htio reci... Znas i sam da nekad nije bitno biti precizan, vec prenijeti ono sto je pisac htio reci...

Uglavnom, teza je iznesena, dalje je potrebna diskusija... Jel se mozemo sad baviti temom, a ne jedinicama SI sustava?


Meni se i dalje cini da koristenje aplikacije trosi puno manje procesorske snage (bogtenece, kakva je sad to snaga?!), nego komunikacija sa AIjem koji mora prezvakavat sve sto sam mu rekao/napisao, a za sto je vec ustanovljeno da trosi jako jako puno energije (jel te i ovo zivcira?)...

Ekipa iz MIT su napravili istrazivanje na tu temu i dosli do zanimljivih rezultata...

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...rint-big-tech/

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Let’s say you’re running a marathon as a charity runner and organizing a fundraiser to support your cause. You ask an AI model 15 questions about the best way to fundraise. Then you make 10 attempts at an image for your flyer before you get one you are happy with, and three attempts at a five-second video to post on Instagram.

You’d use about 2.9 kilowatt-hours of electricity - enough to ride over 100 miles on an e-bike (or around 10 miles in the average electric vehicle) or run the microwave for over three and a half hours.
Realno, da sam koristio raznorazne aplikacije tipa Word (za pisanje teksta), Photoshop ili Gimp (za slaganje flyera), neki video studio za napravit 5 sec video za Instagram, prilicno sam siguran da ne bih potrosio ni priblizno 3 kilovatsata energije... Iz mojih mjerenja sa UPSa i strujne letve (brainf*ck, jelda?), moj NAS jedva da razvija snagu od nekih 50W i to sa 2x HDDa, znaci da bi mogao raditi brat bratu 60 sati da bi potrosio 3 kilovatsata energije... Slicno bi bilo i sa laptopom koji bih koristio za sve ove gorenavedene radnje, s time da laptop sigurno za takve radnje trosi podosta manje od NASa...

Nadam se da sam sad dobro objasnio u kom smjeru razmisljam.. A sad jesam li se savrseno precizno izrazio ili nisam, kog briga, ionako 99% ljudi ne zna razliku izmedju snage (W) i energije (Wh odn. J)... 99% ljudi je stvarno uvjereno da komp trosi 50W snage... Sad, kako ces snagu potrosit ne znam, ali eto u zargonu je to tako i mozemo se i ti i ja i jos nekolicina pametnjakovica na trepavice postavit, no 99% ljudi i dalje ce smatrat da komp trosi 50W...
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To što sam spomenu nije pitanje SI jedinica, već elementarnog poznavanja fizike.

Ja sam odmah rekao da ne znam kolika bi bila potrošnja, ako su oni tako mjerili i izmjerili da treba 3kWh za 15 pitanja, 10 slika i 3 videa od pet sekundi onda sam to sprema prihvatiti kao činjenicu. Makar za vrijeme od prije godine dana.

3kWh bi pokrilo barem jedan dan video editiranja, editiranja slika i šta ti ja znam. Ovaj moj komp vuče kakvih 90W pod normalno, ne vidim da editiranje slika može trošiti puno više od toga.

Nisam siguran koliko video editiranje dodatno iznad baseline bi diglo korištenje grafičke, neka i je recimo 50W, ali lokalni LLM sigurno tjera na max 140W. S time da opet nije da roka tokene cijelo vrijeme.

Sve u svemu, po tome što su oni istražili, reklo bi se da je lokalno editiranje energetski učinkovitije. Ako imaš opremu i ako znaš što radiš, makar dovoljno za svoje potrebe.


Cjenovna učinkovitost je naravno skroz drugo pitanje.
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To što sam spomenu nije pitanje SI jedinica, već elementarnog poznavanja fizike.

Ja sam odmah rekao da ne znam kolika bi bila potrošnja, ako su oni tako mjerili i izmjerili da treba 3kWh za 15 pitanja, 10 slika i 3 videa od pet sekundi onda sam to sprema prihvatiti kao činjenicu. Makar za vrijeme od prije godine dana.

3kWh bi pokrilo barem jedan dan video editiranja, editiranja slika i šta ti ja znam. Ovaj moj komp vuče kakvih 90W pod normalno, ne vidim da editiranje slika može trošiti puno više od toga.

Nisam siguran koliko video editiranje dodatno iznad baseline bi diglo korištenje grafičke, neka i je recimo 50W, ali lokalni LLM sigurno tjera na max 140W. S time da opet nije da roka tokene cijelo vrijeme.

Sve u svemu, po tome što su oni istražili, reklo bi se da je lokalno editiranje energetski učinkovitije. Ako imaš opremu i ako znaš što radiš, makar dovoljno za svoje potrebe.


Cjenovna učinkovitost je naravno skroz drugo pitanje.
Omašio si celi fudbal.

Kod LLM imaš treniranje i korištenje treniranog modela. Treniranje zahtjeva puno snage (W) i puno vremena (t), dakle puno energije.
Korištenje treniranog modela zahtjeva puno manje energije.

Tvoj kompjuter doma je stroj koji je napravljen za generičke izračune.

Ono što se koristi kod LLM je specifični hardver, a u zadnje vrijeme i ASIC, to za isti posao troši puno manje energije od nekog desktop/GPU stroja.


Kad to ne bi bilo tako ne bi ni postojali datacentri s specifičnim hardverom. A te brojke koje je neko napisao, uvjek se sjeti jedne od najvećih mudrosti, " piše i pička na zidu pa nitko ne jebe zid".
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ajde nađite si odgovore na 15 pitanja, složite si 10 slika i 3 videa od 5 sekundi, pa mi javite koliko bi vas to struje koštalo + koliko bi vam vremena uzelo.
manje od 3 kW sigurno nije.
A s druge strane, ne virujem ni da današnji AI sustavi toliko troše.
Evo prijatelj ima (možda se i pohvali tu u temi) NanoCluster sa kojima vrti AI za financijsko prognoziranje tržišta.

Troši mu oko 100Wh, a čuda računa s njim. A to je kućni setup, mogu misliti kako enterprise optimizirani setup izgleda.
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ajde nađite si odgovore na 15 pitanja, složite si 10 slika i 3 videa od 5 sekundi, pa mi javite koliko bi vas to struje koštalo + koliko bi vam vremena uzelo.
manje od 3 kW sigurno nije.
A s druge strane, ne virujem ni da današnji AI sustavi toliko troše.
Evo prijatelj ima (možda se i pohvali tu u temi) NanoCluster sa kojima vrti AI za financijsko prognoziranje tržišta.

Troši mu oko 100Wh, a čuda računa s njim. A to je kućni setup, mogu misliti kako enterprise optimizirani setup izgleda.
Ali zapravo je puno manje od 3kWh!!

Gle, ako uzmemo da jedan komp u prosjeku trosi, cek sad cu pogledat kolko moj trosi na strujnoj letvi... Dakle, moj komp sa dva monitora 'trosi' 60W... Znaci da potrosi 60Wh energije u sat vremena... Za 3000Wh bi trebalo proci 50 sati da potrosi ekvivalent energije...

Brat bratu, da sam glup ko stup bih u tih 50 sati nasao guglanjem odgovore na 15 pitanj, editirao 10 slika i sigurno bi mi ostalo vremena za editiranje par filmica... Kuzis? Ja nista ne generiram, imam sve materijale pripremljene, samo biram sto mi treba i malo nesto editiram... Realno, ako bih potrosio 10 sati na sve to, puno sam rekao, dakle, 10x manje energije od tih 3000Wh bih potrosio...
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ne slažem se sa tobom.
prvo, ne treba agentu sat vremena da to odradi, već mu treba do 10 min max, ovisno o promptu, što je oko 500W potrošeno.
Pa ti napravi svoj posa u 500W.
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ne slažem se sa tobom.
prvo, ne treba agentu sat vremena da to odradi, već mu treba do 10 min max, ovisno o promptu, što je oko 500W potrošeno.
Pa ti napravi svoj posa u 500W.
Zaboravio si onaj dio gdje treniras laprdalo...

Problem je sto on u pozadini upogoni hardvera toliko da potrosi tih 3000 Wh energije samo da ti odradi zatrazeno, ali treniranje pak potrosi puno vise energije... Tako kazu MITjevci barem, ne ja... Oni su to mjerili, ako lazu oni, lazem i ja...

Svejedno, ono sto mene brine je moje predvidjanje gdje sam naveo da u buducnosti nece biti potrebe za aplikacijama... No, sada me malo kopka to jer sa strane energetske ucinkovitosti, to ce biti teska katastrofa...
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Koja je razlika između ove teme, Umjetna inteligencija (AI) i AI - praktična upotreba?
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Koja je razlika između ove teme, Umjetna inteligencija (AI) i AI - praktična upotreba?
U prvoj se laprda o AI... a u drugoj kako upotrebljavaš AI
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Evidentno je da je ova "prakticna primjena AI-a" vrlo rasirena
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Omašio si celi fudbal.
Moram te obavijestiti da si ipak ti fulo, ne samo fudbal, neko stadion a i cijeli sport.

Vidim da i ivo strojnica dobro barata s terminologijom, snaga vs energija. Ajde pitaj bota da ti objasni, mislim da za jedan tehnički forum stvarno nije u redu.

BTW, o tome koliko je taj cijeli sustav (trenutno) energetski efikasan mislim da dovoljno govori to šta je Eric Schmidt pružio šapicu i tražio izgradnju 100 nuklearnih elektrana (DO 2030, poslije budu potrebovali još, jamačno). Valjda taj lik nešto zna o tome. Za nas redukcija karbona, za njih nuklearne elektrane da iskaču iz paštete.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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zaboravio si onaj dio gdje treniraš sebe.
A nije bas da mi treba nuklearna elektrana da bih se trenirao...
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A još manje ti treba 100 nuklearnih elektrana, za razliku od Mr. Šmita.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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dečki, malo grubo razmišljate.
Ai ste odredili da radi samo za vas i kao takav je ogroman potrošač energije, a kad ste vi u pitanju, vi ste već educirani, imate sve u malom prstu i jako ste štedljivi.

Tjedno ChatGPT koristi 900 milijuna ljudi. 900 000 000 ljudi.
Upijte malo tu brojku.


Dnevno primi oko 2.5 milijardi upita...2500 000 000 upita koje mora obraditi.

Što vi napravite dnevno i koliko struje potrošite pritom?
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dečki, malo grubo razmišljate.
Ai ste odredili da radi samo za vas i kao takav je ogroman potrošač energije, a kad ste vi u pitanju, vi ste već educirani, imate sve u malom prstu i jako ste štedljivi.

Tjedno ChatGPT koristi 900 milijuna ljudi. 900 000 000 ljudi.
Upijte malo tu brojku.

Dnevno primi oko 2.5 milijardi upita...2500 000 000 upita koje mora obraditi.

Što vi napravite dnevno i koliko struje potrošite pritom?
Problem je sto svaki od tih upita trosi poprilicno energije... Drasticno vise nego sto tih 900 milijuna ljudi potrosi u sljedecih 10 godina...
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