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Staro 21.01.2026., 09:43   #5881
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Vidim da ovdje ima znalaca pa bih molio za pomoć.
Kroz neko vrijeme bih trebao zamijeniti blagavaonski stol a usput sređujem i jednu prostoriju za druženje pa ću isto trebati stol.
Noge ću napraviti sam od metala (po dizajnu od supruge &#129315 međutim ne znam kakve ploče uzeti.
Dok sam radio stolić za dnevni boravak uzeo sam u Elgradu prekrasnu crno-sivu matiranu ploču koja se inače koristi za kuhinjske radne ploče, širina cca 58cm i debljina 3,5cm. Izrezali su mi na mjeru, kantirali i konačan rezultat je baš ono što smo željeli.
Za blagavaonu bih trebao ploču cca 160-180 x 90-100. Što preporučujete, koji materijal uzeti? Drvo mi se baš ne uklapa u prostor pošto je sve sivo-crno-bijela kombinacija tako da trebam nešto iz Elgrada ili Iverpana da dolazi u tim dimenzijama. Debljina bi isto bila poželjna 3-5cm zbog masivnijeg izgleda.
Također može preporuke za dimenziju stola za koji bi se moglo smjestiti 10-12 (u vrlo rijetkim prilikama 15) ljudi. Stol bi se nalazio u prostoriji cca 4x4m.
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Staro 21.01.2026., 10:08   #5882
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Ja sam za stol stavio kompakt ploču. Ista kakvu sam koristio za ploču u kuhinji samo su mi izrezali na traženu dimenziju, rub izrezali na "pačji kljun" kak zovu u Elgradu. Jedino kaj se debljina tebi ne uklapa, kompakt je tanki no unatoč tome čvrst je. Možda razmislit o kompaktu.
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Staro 21.01.2026., 10:16   #5883
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Vidim da ovdje ima znalaca pa bih molio za pomoć.
Kroz neko vrijeme bih trebao zamijeniti blagavaonski stol a usput sređujem i jednu prostoriju za druženje pa ću isto trebati stol.
Noge ću napraviti sam od metala (po dizajnu od supruge &#129315 međutim ne znam kakve ploče uzeti.
Dok sam radio stolić za dnevni boravak uzeo sam u Elgradu prekrasnu crno-sivu matiranu ploču koja se inače koristi za kuhinjske radne ploče, širina cca 58cm i debljina 3,5cm. Izrezali su mi na mjeru, kantirali i konačan rezultat je baš ono što smo željeli.
Za blagavaonu bih trebao ploču cca 160-180 x 90-100. Što preporučujete, koji materijal uzeti? Drvo mi se baš ne uklapa u prostor pošto je sve sivo-crno-bijela kombinacija tako da trebam nešto iz Elgrada ili Iverpana da dolazi u tim dimenzijama. Debljina bi isto bila poželjna 3-5cm zbog masivnijeg izgleda.
Također može preporuke za dimenziju stola za koji bi se moglo smjestiti 10-12 (u vrlo rijetkim prilikama 15) ljudi. Stol bi se nalazio u prostoriji cca 4x4m.
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Pa uzmes siru kuhinjsku plocu. Ona je bas 90.
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Staro 21.01.2026., 14:10   #5884
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Imaš baš ploče za stolove, režu se na metre, širine su 90cm, i s obje strane su zaobljene,38mm debljina, rezani dio se kantira sa ABS trakom ili običnom koju zapeglaš.
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Staro 21.01.2026., 20:40   #5885
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želim i bočne stranice,
da, ovaj mi onda ima 10 cm lufta sa strane i gore, ali po cijeni je idealan
Ako želiš i bočne stranice, onda ti je, po meni, rezanje po mjeri nezaobilazno. Ili da nađeš neki korpus koji baš upada kako treba unutra ili s nekim određenim odstupanjem. Prednost je kada režeš u tome što im možeš kazati koje stranice ne želiš kantirati. Kantiraš prednje fronte i gotovo. Mislim da ti oni mogu i izbušiti rupe za čepove za police. Po meni je bolje da police budu ovješene umjesto pritegnute za korpus.

Opcija je i da si sam kantiraš prema željama i potrebama, ali ima tu sigurno pametniji koji će ti kazati koliko se to isplati. Znam da se može kupiti traka i da treba pegla i to je to što ja o tome znam
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Staro 22.01.2026., 09:47   #5886
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Ja sam za stol stavio kompakt ploču. Ista kakvu sam koristio za ploču u kuhinji samo su mi izrezali na traženu dimenziju, rub izrezali na "pačji kljun" kak zovu u Elgradu. Jedino kaj se debljina tebi ne uklapa, kompakt je tanki no unatoč tome čvrst je. Možda razmislit o kompaktu.
Hvala, pogledam pa ako vrhovni vođa da zeleno svjetlo mogu i to uzeti.

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Pa uzmes siru kuhinjsku plocu. Ona je bas 90.
Problem s kuhinjskim pločama je da su s jedne strane zaobljene (prednja strana) a druga strana je ravna koja sjeda do zida pa nije skroz ok rješenje za stol. Jedino ako postoji mogućnost da odrežu taj zaobljeni dio pa kantiraju...

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Imaš baš ploče za stolove, režu se na metre, širine su 90cm, i s obje strane su zaobljene,38mm debljina, rezani dio se kantira sa ABS trakom ili običnom koju zapeglaš.
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Staro 22.01.2026., 09:50   #5887
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Ja sam uzimao u elgradu i cini mi se da su obje zaobljene, osim one strane koja se reze ali to se kantira..
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Staro 03.02.2026., 09:21   #5888
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Pozdrav svima,imam jedno pitanje na koje mi nitko dosad nije dao 100% provjeren odgovor,pa možda netko tu zna. Kupio sam jednu ruševinu koja je "ucrtana" i uporabna dozvola za objekte prije 1968. neće biti problem.
Međutim, ja trenutno nemam volje (a ni sredstava) za gradnju, a objekt je pred rušenje i strah me da se ne uruši na cestu. Dali ja mogu srušiti ju,i onda jednog dana za godinu,dvije pet opet sazidati istim kamenom u istim gabaritima?
Kad sam gradio svoju prijašnju kuću isto je bila stara i srušena do pola,ali sam ja sagradio sa istim kamenom i "pokrpao" i nitko niš nije pitao,samo su mi dali uporabnu za građevine prije 1968.
Ali ovdje je problem taj što ja ne mislim graditi još,a potencijalno je velika opasnost za okolinu?
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Ola ekipa...gledam trenutno radne ploce za kuhinju koje su cjenovno prihvatljive a da drze (uz normalno odrzavanje) bar 20 godina. Mramor naravno otpada iz igre jer mi ne upada u budet. Pa gledam debeli furnir vs laminat. Laminat je naravno jeftiniji al nije bas da su ljudi kolko vidim odusevljeni. Drvo si mislim ak stavim premaz neki da necu imat problema sa vodom (sudoper). Ogrebotine me tolko ne muce. I kad smo kod toga - keramicki sudoperi - da ili ne? Ili bolje kvarcni?
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Laminat će ti dulje držati, definitivno.
Drvo je mekše i moraš ga održavati. Svi kažu "održavat ću ga" pa ga počnu održavati tek kad se počnu malo daskice savijati ili mrlje upiti.

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Staro 03.02.2026., 16:33   #5891
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Pozdrav svima,imam jedno pitanje na koje mi nitko dosad nije dao 100% provjeren odgovor,pa možda netko tu zna. Kupio sam jednu ruševinu koja je "ucrtana" i uporabna dozvola za objekte prije 1968. neće biti problem.
Međutim, ja trenutno nemam volje (a ni sredstava) za gradnju, a objekt je pred rušenje i strah me da se ne uruši na cestu. Dali ja mogu srušiti ju,i onda jednog dana za godinu,dvije pet opet sazidati istim kamenom u istim gabaritima?
Kad sam gradio svoju prijašnju kuću isto je bila stara i srušena do pola,ali sam ja sagradio sa istim kamenom i "pokrpao" i nitko niš nije pitao,samo su mi dali uporabnu za građevine prije 1968.
Ali ovdje je problem taj što ja ne mislim graditi još,a potencijalno je velika opasnost za okolinu?
Mislim da ti je to striktno YMMV. Ovisno o tome kakvi su ljudi u okolici, susjedi, JLS, komunalac itd. Možda najbolje da probaš pitati u općini, ako je to neka manja sredina.
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Ola ekipa...gledam trenutno radne ploce za kuhinju koje su cjenovno prihvatljive a da drze (uz normalno odrzavanje) bar 20 godina. Mramor naravno otpada iz igre jer mi ne upada u budet. Pa gledam debeli furnir vs laminat. Laminat je naravno jeftiniji al nije bas da su ljudi kolko vidim odusevljeni. Drvo si mislim ak stavim premaz neki da necu imat problema sa vodom (sudoper). Ogrebotine me tolko ne muce. I kad smo kod toga - keramicki sudoperi - da ili ne? Ili bolje kvarcni?
Laminat ploče su najbolje rješenje jer su jeftine, otporne i lake za oblikovanje te ne zvone kad nešto stavljaš na njih.
Drvo je lijepo ali nije po meni za kuhinju (da, možeš staviti nekoliko ruku epoksija ili PU premaza, ali nije vrijedno toga).

Ja imam 2 keramička sudopera (ikea) i meni su top, lagani za održavanje, lijepo izgledaju i jeftini, u kući isto imam Franke siligranitni i to govno se tako lako uprlja a teško čisti jer je materijal porozan (ako pod kvarcni misliš na ove).
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Laminat ploče su najbolje rješenje jer su jeftine, otporne i lake za oblikovanje te ne zvone kad nešto stavljaš na njih.
Drvo je lijepo ali nije po meni za kuhinju (da, možeš staviti nekoliko ruku epoksija ili PU premaza, ali nije vrijedno toga).

Ja imam 2 keramička sudopera (ikea) i meni su top, lagani za održavanje, lijepo izgledaju i jeftini, u kući isto imam Franke siligranitni i to govno se tako lako uprlja a teško čisti jer je materijal porozan (ako pod kvarcni misliš na ove).

Yep prije svega bas Ikeu, Havsen sudoper gledam. KILSVIKEN (kvarc) je duplo skuplji. Gledao sam i supere i slavine u Ferotermu i na oko mi sve to tu negdje dode a ako u Ikei uzmem jos oni ugrade. Racunaju 70 Eura po metru ugradnju kaj je malo...vise al hebiga ja nit imam vremena nit alata da postavim kuhnju. Samo montaza ce me nekih 600 Eura kostat (kuhnja cca 3000 bez uredaja). Zasad mi se kuhnja kod Ikee opcenito cini ok kvalitetom za te pare a opet mi doslovce duplo jeftinije kosta nego da mi stolar radi. Znam da kvaliteta nije ista ali ne treba mi vrhunsko, samo bih zelio dobit veci iskoristiv prostor jer mi je trenutno prostorni raspored koma. Al najprije moram sa elektricarom popricat jer kuca nema uzemljenja. To bude jos sou
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Osobno sam alergičan na sudoper bez špine, neznam da li ti je bitno ali nekada ljudi preskoče taj detaljcic 😂
Imam i ja ove fensišmensi ali sam uglavnom siguran da bi drugi put bio inox...

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Isto kao i sa špinom samo što ne jebes periferiju...

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Osim vizualne razlike...utjece li na kvalitetnu ugradnje i trosenje radne ploce ako nema spine?
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Na nekakvim "običnim" radnim plocama tipa iverje presvuceno necim i sl. ovako nesto u plocu nikada nebi ugradio. Tu okolo uvijek ima vode, podvuci ce se odmah ili sad i onda je vise manje zbogom... Po inoxu,granitu i ostalim ne-drvnim materijalima nema straha. Sudoper isto kvalitetno zasilikonirati prije ugradnje, a otvor u ploci ako je drvena nakon izreza proci sa slojem drvofixa, moze i jedna ruka ali temeljito,pogotovo rubove. Ovaj drvofix "plastificira" iverje i u slucaju proboja nece pocet pit vodu. Oprez nakon susenja drvofixa, ako ostane nekakva crtica, zarez, zna biti nezgodno oštro.
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Na nekakvim "običnim" radnim plocama tipa iverje presvuceno necim i sl. ovako nesto u plocu nikada nebi ugradio. Tu okolo uvijek ima vode, podvuci ce se odmah ili sad i onda je vise manje zbogom... Po inoxu,granitu i ostalim ne-drvnim materijalima nema straha. Sudoper isto kvalitetno zasilikonirati prije ugradnje, a otvor u ploci ako je drvena nakon izreza proci sa slojem drvofixa, moze i jedna ruka ali temeljito,pogotovo rubove. Ovaj drvofix "plastificira" iverje i u slucaju proboja nece pocet pit vodu. Oprez nakon susenja drvofixa, ako ostane nekakva crtica, zarez, zna biti nezgodno oštro.

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Nije adaptacija nego prodaja stana ali ne nalazim prikladniju temu, a vjerujem da ima upucenijih koji bi mi mogli pomoci.
Clan obitelji treba prodati stan u gradu u kojem ne zivimo, pa bi to sve dali nekoj agenciji za nekretnine u tom gradu jer nam nije najzgodnije putovati tamo i nazad zbog pregleda stana.
Medutim zena je zvala par agencija i hladno govore da je njihova naknada 3% od prodajne cijene stana (ili 2% ako je njihova ekskluziva) od nas kao prodavaca. Ja sam do sada zivio u uvjerenju da kupac placa agencijsku proviziju, i negdje u glavi mi zvoni da je naplacivanje dvostruke provizije protuzakonito, medutim upoznat sam s tim da su agencije za nekretnine dno drustva i nista me ne bi cudilo, ali nisam siguran je li ovo "ako prode prode" metoda ili neka caka kojom se oni legalno koriste.

Prosvijetlite me molim vas koja je u ovoj situaciji praksa i kako se postaviti prema agencijama ako idemo tim putem.
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Nije adaptacija nego prodaja stana ali ne nalazim prikladniju temu, a vjerujem da ima upucenijih koji bi mi mogli pomoci.
Clan obitelji treba prodati stan u gradu u kojem ne zivimo, pa bi to sve dali nekoj agenciji za nekretnine u tom gradu jer nam nije najzgodnije putovati tamo i nazad zbog pregleda stana.
Medutim zena je zvala par agencija i hladno govore da je njihova naknada 3% od prodajne cijene stana (ili 2% ako je njihova ekskluziva) od nas kao prodavaca. Ja sam do sada zivio u uvjerenju da kupac placa agencijsku proviziju, i negdje u glavi mi zvoni da je naplacivanje dvostruke provizije protuzakonito, medutim upoznat sam s tim da su agencije za nekretnine dno drustva i nista me ne bi cudilo, ali nisam siguran je li ovo "ako prode prode" metoda ili neka caka kojom se oni legalno koriste.

Prosvijetlite me molim vas koja je u ovoj situaciji praksa i kako se postaviti prema agencijama ako idemo tim putem.

Koliko se sjećam kad sam gledao prije pola godine, po zakonu, ako imaju potpisan Ugovor o posredovanju i sa jednom i sa drugom stranom mogu naplatiti obje provizije.


U stvarnom svijetu, ja bih agenciji rekao da se izvole naplatiti od kupca, jer agencija ima puno, a nekretnina na tržištu baš i ne.
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U stvarnom svijetu, ja bih agenciji rekao da se izvole naplatiti od kupca, jer agencija ima puno, a nekretnina na tržištu baš i ne.
Točno to.
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Pa skroz je nebitno od koga se naplate.
Staviš cijenu koju želiš dobiti i oni ako žele mogu prodati za koliko hoće i uzeti proviziju sebi.
Ne vidim problema, u biti to je i problem jer agencije umjetno pumpaju cijene da ostvare veću proviziju.

Osobno nikad ih ne bi koristio jer su oličenje "kruha bez motike", radije nađeš nekog pouzdanog u tom gradu i platiš mu uslugu.
Bolje tebi i kupcu, a nekome dobro dođe nešto love sa strane.
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Pa skroz je nebitno od koga se naplate.
Staviš cijenu koju želiš dobiti i oni ako žele mogu prodati za koliko hoće i uzeti proviziju sebi.
Ne vidim problema, u biti to je i problem jer agencije umjetno pumpaju cijene da ostvare veću proviziju.

Osobno nikad ih ne bi koristio jer su oličenje "kruha bez motike", radije nađeš nekog pouzdanog u tom gradu i platiš mu uslugu.
Bolje tebi i kupcu, a nekome dobro dođe nešto love sa strane.

Ma, ako se radi o nekoj atraktivnijoj nekretnini, ili nades nekoga da to pokaže ljudima, ili uzmeš dva dana godišnjeg, i sam odes pokazati, a kupce rasporediš svakih sat vremena.


Bolje ostaviti sebi u džepu 6-9-x k eura.
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Da, Agencije se vjerojatno u većini slučajeva naplate od obje strane. Kada smo kupovali stan, neke Agencije su nas tražile da potpišemo prije razgledavanja "Ugovor" da smo mi njih unajmili da nam nađu stan, da bi mogli od nas naplatiti naknadu (iako očito nismo, jel)

Realno, sustav bi po meni trebao funkcionirati:

TI unajmiš Agenciju da umjesto treba proda stan, TI plati Agenciji naknadu

JA unajmim Agenciju da mi nađe stan po mojim kriterijima, JA platim Agenciji naknadu
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Ja sam do sada zivio u uvjerenju da kupac placa agencijsku proviziju, i negdje u glavi mi zvoni da je naplacivanje dvostruke provizije protuzakonito

Proviziju agenciji plaća onaj tko je angažirao agenciju (u ovom slučaju prodavač - angažirao si nekoga da se bavi prodajom tvoga stana). Kada kupac angažira agenciju da mu pronađe sta, onda i ona plaća proviziju jer najčešće potpisuje ugovor s agencijom o posredovanju. Kad kupac kontaktira agenciju u vezi stana koji ta agencija oglašava, onda kupac nije dužan platiti proviziju agenciji (to su rijetki slučajevi, jer agencije od kupaca traže da potpišu ugovor o posredovanju prije nego im pokažu stan - što nije u redu od njih)
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Na nekakvim "običnim" radnim plocama tipa iverje presvuceno necim i sl. ovako nesto u plocu nikada nebi ugradio. Tu okolo uvijek ima vode, podvuci ce se odmah ili sad i onda je vise manje zbogom... Po inoxu,granitu i ostalim ne-drvnim materijalima nema straha. Sudoper isto kvalitetno zasilikonirati prije ugradnje, a otvor u ploci ako je drvena nakon izreza proci sa slojem drvofixa, moze i jedna ruka ali temeljito,pogotovo rubove. Ovaj drvofix "plastificira" iverje i u slucaju proboja nece pocet pit vodu. Oprez nakon susenja drvofixa, ako ostane nekakva crtica, zarez, zna biti nezgodno oštro.
Ima samo jedna caka, ako se dobro sjećam drvofix se topi u vodi dok je svjež.

A za pitanje o ovim plastičnim sudoperima tj kvarcni kako ih zovu...to ne bi ni neprijatelju preporučio, lako puca, teško se čisti i ako je svjetlija nijansa upija boje od npr mrkve, cikle, kave i slično. I da, skupi su.

Za proculanske i keramičke nemam pojma, ali ja sam uvijek za inox, elastičan, otporan na sve živo i još ga možeš uredno protrljat sa arfom i sličnim sredstvima koja imaju pjesak u sebi.
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Osobno nikad ih ne bi koristio jer su oličenje "kruha bez motike", radije nađeš nekog pouzdanog u tom gradu i platiš mu uslugu.
Bolje tebi i kupcu, a nekome dobro dođe nešto love sa strane.
Sada je ključno pitanje, kako nać nekog pouzdanog u Zg Baš mi treba, ako imaš neki recept, udijeli ga molim te.

Kada se ide preko agencije, nemaš dodatni trošak oglašavanja, što može i ne mora biti faktor. Iako fino platiš proviziju.
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Sada je ključno pitanje, kako nać nekog pouzdanog u Zg :D Baš mi treba, ako imaš neki recept, udijeli ga molim te.

Kada se ide preko agencije, nemaš dodatni trošak oglašavanja, što može i ne mora biti faktor. Iako fino platiš proviziju.
Agencije u 99% slučajeva oglašavajuna njuškalu. 6 mjeseci plaćenih oglasa na Njušci je 80 eura.

Ako nemaš koga pouzdanog, onda odeš osobno, i narucis par potencijalnih kupaca za isti dan.

Da ga jebeš, to dvoje skupa (osim ako ne živiš u Australiji) ne vrijedi 2-3% cijene stana.



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Je, ali... ako ne pratiš oglase na njuškalu, onda vjerojatno nisi uočio dominaciju (preko 90%) oglasa nekretnina agencija. Oni toliko brzo obnavljaju te oglase (ili koriste neku drugu tehniku, ne znam) da svaki dan popis oglasa zarotira za više stotina (barem na ovom području kojeg ja pratim, u ZG sigurno više) a rezultati pretraživanja su limitirani na kakvih 400 stranica po 20 po stranici. I, naravno, nema filtra za agencijske oglase. Tako da pojma nemam tko može pretraživanjem uočiti tvoj oglas tamo. Po meni, tvoj oglas kroz tjedan dana max ispadne iz cirkulacije i pitanje da li ga se više može i naći.

A naravno da se slažem da se isplati zajebavati za recimo 6-7k eura i otići tu i tamo u ZG, staviti oglas na marketplace, odgovarati na debilne upite i sl.
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