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Staro Jučer, 08:58   #601
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IMHO lako za nofce i troškove, jer Palantir i sl. već imaju dobro uhodanu šablonu s kojom svoje usluge i proizvode uspješno integriraju u sve sfere modernog društva.:)
Trenutno se sramote u americkom ministarstvu rata, jako malo toga radi i sve je u kaosu.

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Jos malo i goli cemo hodat po ulicama, lajkam!
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Pa da im je VPN važniji i da ga razumiju već bi navalili na njega. Ljudi koji o tome odlučuju su preglupi da bi shvatili neke stvari. Ali da, prije ili poslije netko će im skrenut pažnju i VPN bi mogao biti slijedeći na udaru.
Jedno po jedno, ne brini. Na listi je to dugo vec. Moraju pomalo, da "naviknu građane", kako je to srocio naš ministar financija kad su ga pitali za pnn.
Iako razina tolerancije se toliko povecala kod raje da nebi reagirali na nista, pogotov kod nas.
Ovce.
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Ako cc zaživi nema više safe aplikacije. Telegram ne koristim i ne vjerujem mu ni najmanje. Jedini kojem donekle vjerujem je signal, koji ako cc zazivi, a on ne nestane znamo sve...
Što misliš pod "on ne nestane"? Signal se koristi i u zemljama gdje je blokiran. Može nestati s playstore / appstore, ali će kao i sada moći instalirati.
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To sto si naveo. Vecina ljudi je tudum i ljencina i nece znat/htjet se potruditi staviti.
Ja signal koristim vec godinama, al opet moram imat gofno od vibera i wa jer nemas skime pričat jer vecina nazalost ima navedene, a za signal nisu ni čuli.
Misliš da ce se ljudi probuditi i prebaciti na signal ako cc prode, oce vraga...
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Dio ljudi hoće, većina neće.

Jedino što bi pomoglo je da se napravi buna kao u Nepalu. Al to se neće desiti jer ljudi u EU predobro žive da bi razmišljali o ovakvim stvarima.

Ima li negdje špranca nekog dopisa kojeg možemo slat našim vrlim zastupnicima?
Barem da ih zaspamamo ako ništa drugo.
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Već su se svi EU zastupnici Hrvatske (osim HDZovih) izjasnili protiv tog zakona. Znači pola HR zastupnika u EU je protiv, druga polovica je HDZ i glasat će kako Plenki kaže.
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Potpisivanja peticija PROTIV "Chat Control" prijedloga EU zakona tj. direktive ovdje:

https://stopchatcontrol.eu/

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Potpisivanja peticija PROTIV "Chat Control" prijedloga EU zakona tj. direktive u organizaciji SDP političke stranke u RH ovdje:

https://www.openpetition.eu/petition...asovninadzorne

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Potpisivanja peticija PROTIV "Chat Control" prijedloga EU zakona tj. direktive u organizaciji MOST političke stranke u RH ovdje:

https://most-hrvatska.hr/2025/08/21/...-chat-control/


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za poslati email:

ADRESE:
hr.perm.rep@mvep.hr, stephennikola.bartulica@europarl.europa.eu, biljana.borzan@europarl.europa.eu, gordan.bosanac@europarl.europa.eu, nikolina.brnjac@europarl.europa.eu, suncana.glavak@europarl.europa.eu, romana.jerkovic@europarl.europa.eu, tonino.picula@europarl.europa.eu, karlo.ressler@europarl.europa.eu, tomislav.sokol@europarl.europa.eu, davorivo.stier@europarl.europa.eu, marko.vesligaj@europarl.europa.eu, zeljana.zovko@europarl.europa.eu


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please vote against


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Dear Representatives,

I am writing to express my serious concerns about the proposed Chat Control legislation (CSAM Regulation) currently being reconsidered under the Danish EU Council Presidency.

I am particularly concerned about the following issues:

• The proposed Chat Control legislation represents an unprecedented violation of our fundamental right to privacy. Mass surveillance of private communications is incompatible with Article 7 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.

I urge you to:
• Vote against any proposal that mandates mass surveillance of private communications
• Protect end-to-end encryption and digital privacy rights
• Support targeted, evidence-based approaches to child protection
• Ensure proper democratic scrutiny of this legislation
• Reject the European Parliament's conditioning the extension of the temporary derogation (with voluntary scanning arrangements) on Council advancing the mandatory chat control proposal

The current proposal fails to balance child protection with fundamental rights and would set a dangerous precedent for digital surveillance in the EU.

Thank you for your attention to this critical matter.

Sincerely,
VAŠE IME I PREZIME
VAŠA ADRESA PREBIVALIŠTA
VAŠ POSTANSKI BROJ I GRAD







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Ja sam se nadam da će CC biti uveden.
Barem ćemo biti sigurni da nas špijaju.
Ovako smo u mutnim vodama, neznaš tko te špija a tko ne.
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missing the point, nije poanta dali spijaju ili ne, poanta je da im max otezamo, a ne damo otvorene ruke. jer otvorene ruke znaci podizanje na novi level, samo nebo je granica koliko oni nas mogu hebat.
ne kuzim tu vrtu razmisljanja.
to je ono, svi su isti, ostani doma, nemoze se tu nista, nastavi niz....
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@geronimo_2 sprda se tip ćo. Upiši tečaj sarkazma
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fair enough, my mistake
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IMHO lako za nofce i troškove, jer Palantir i sl. već imaju dobro uhodanu šablonu s kojom svoje usluge i proizvode uspješno integriraju u sve sfere modernog društva.
Ne igra njima novac nikakvu ulogu. Samo kontrola.
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Ne igra njima novac nikakvu ulogu. Samo kontrola.
Igra igra, vidjelo se na farmaceutskim kompanijama.
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@mkey,
Uprav tak, dok god bude ovaca za guljenje, njima para faliti neće.

@neo,
Ja prenosim, pridodajem i podrzavam ogromni trud borca bruneja sa whr-a.
Nitko se tolko slomit nece kao on i svaka mu čast na tome.
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Koncentrirati se. Telegram nije firma koja je osnovana i ima sjedište u US.
Aha, i kak je prošla ta ruska aplikacija sa sjedištem u pustinji i na otocima s ruskim programerom koji čim su ga francuski žandari hapsili - odmah daje na uvid američkim agencijama kaj god im treba, pod izlikom da imaju nalog, samo da on nema više problema sa zakonom, a do onda je pjeval borbene. Malo previše nade i povjerenja polažeš u nekog tipa i njegovu aplikaciju čiji interes nisu tvoja privatnost i sigurnost.
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Trenutno se sramote u americkom ministarstvu rata, jako malo toga radi i sve je u kaosu.
U previše toga su oni upetljani da bi im ikakva sramota mogla poremetiti planove.
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Anthropic, the AI company that touts itself as the safety-prioritizing alternative to other AI firms like OpenAI — from which it’s poached many executives — has partnered with shadowy defense contractor Palantir. The partnership supports the US military-industrial complex by “processing vast amounts of complex data rapidly, elevating data-driven insights, identifying patterns and trends more effectively, streamlining document review and preparation, and helping US officials to make more informed decisions in time-sensitive situations.” Earlier this month, the military and intelligence-tied data monger Palantir — alongside big tech giants Google and Microsoft — sponsored DC’s inaugural “AI Expo for National Competitiveness.”
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Ne igra njima novac nikakvu ulogu. Samo kontrola.
Da i kontrolu imaju, dok istovremeno rade na tome da imaju još više kontrole.
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Aha, i kak je prošla ta ruska aplikacija sa sjedištem u pustinji i na otocima s ruskim programerom koji čim su ga francuski žandari hapsili - odmah daje na uvid američkim agencijama kaj god im treba, pod izlikom da imaju nalog, samo da on nema više problema sa zakonom, a do onda je pjeval borbene. Malo previše nade i povjerenja polažeš u nekog tipa i njegovu aplikaciju čiji interes nisu tvoja privatnost i sigurnost.
Trebam li pitati chatgpt da pojednostavni rečenicu "Razlika je u tome što za čitanje sadržaja treba nalog" i prezentiram je ovdje?

I ne, nije spomenuto da je Telegram 100% sigurna aplikacija. Pretpostavljam da ništa nije 100%, čak i ovo što sad pišem.

Što se tiče peticije bojim se da ona ne može ništa pomijeniti. Starmer ima najnižu podršku u povijesti svih podrški i veliki broj ljudi je protiv toga, ali to će se svejedno vrlo vjerojatno izvesti. Poslije toga EU. Zapadna demokracija je iluzija te se u biti radi o totalitarnim režimima, što smo najbolje vidjeli 2020., a vidimo i sada.

Da bi išlo sve malo više "smooth" radi se indoktrinacija koja je složen i dug proces, ali ima vrlo zadovoljavajuće rezultate. Neki od tih rezultata se mogu vidjeti i kod nekih ljudi ovdje, a broj će se, bojim se, samo povećavati. Trenutno se bojimo vanjskog neprijatelja i rata, tu su i bolesti, teroristi, a i uvijek treba misliti na malu dječicu. Unutarnju politiku više nitko ne spominje, a propitkivanje službenih narativa je strogo zabranjeno, te se onda stavljaju razne etikete takvim ljudima, zavisno o temi u pokušaju diskreditacije, koja isto ima prilično dobre rezultate.

U esenciji kad se podvuče crta ljudi će dobiti upravo ono što zaslužuju, ni više ni manje.

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Nemoj pitati ChatGPT (koji baš kao i Telegram sve uredno logira i arhivira za daljnju obradu da ti budeš siguran i privatan na Internetu), jer i ovak si dosta gluposti rekel i napisal na temu privatnosti i sigurnosti, dok istovremeno promoviraš pizdarije od aplikacija i razne teorije zavjera koje si isto tak pokupil s tih Telegaram kanala koji te uvjeravaju da si siguran od svih zla, dokle god se Pavela ne hapsi, jer onda tebi s nalogom sve to ima smisla. Cijelo ovo vrijeme sam sebi proturječiš, pa nas još poštedi i ChatGPT provjera, jer već imamo dosta botova.
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Nemoj pitati ChatGPT, jer i ovak si dosta gluposti rekel i napisal na temu privatnosti i sigurnosti, dok istovremeno promoviraš pizdarije od aplikacija i razne teorije zavjera koje si isto tak pokupil s tih Telegaram kanala koji te uvjeravaju da si siguran od svih zla, dokle god se Pavela ne hapsi, jer onda tebi s nalogom sve to ima smisla. Cijelo ovo vrijeme sam sebi proturječiš, pa nas još poštedi i ChatGPT provjera, jer ionak imamo dosta botova.
Skrećeš sa teme jer nemaš argumenata, a upotrijebio si i etiketu, što je moćna stvar i dobro opisana gore, očekivano, u pokušaju diskreditacije. To se tako i radi. Neki to zovu i ad hominem.

Argument je da je potreban nalog, koji izdaje sud, da se čita sadržaj chata, kako je i bilo do sada u povijesti. To je dobra praksa.

Ono što se želi jest da se bez naloga to može raditi.

Ja ne znam što su "žandari" sa tim čovjekom pričali, nemam kristalnu kuglu, i ne volim pretpostavljati.
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Samo se ti i dalje tješi da te Pavel s nalogom čuva od Božinovića i sl. protiv kojih se aktivno boriš na aplikaciji koja daje uvid u sve kaj i kome treba, samo da ruski programer nije u reštu.
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Pitam se samo jel modovima draze drzat ovakvog trolla na foumu ili staru ekipu koja pridonosi forumu na civiliziran i faktualan nacin. Jer oboje nejde.
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Pitam se samo jel modovima draze drzat ovakvog trolla na foumu ili staru ekipu koja pridonosi forumu na civiliziran i faktualan nacin. Jer oboje nejde.
Ja nisam troll, ali zabrana pisanja je isto jedan način kako onemogućiti argumentiranu raspravu. Ovo je već treći poziv sa tvoje strane na ovakve nečasne akcije što mi dosta govori o tebi. Inače ne smeta me što na drugim temama koristiš nepristojne uvredljive epitete, što je protivno pravilima.
Mogu se i maknuti sa ove teme sve ok, mislio sam da doprinosim.
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Igra igra, vidjelo se na farmaceutskim kompanijama.
Ne znam da li si primijetio u svojih x desetljeća kako novac nastaje. Tim kompanijama je stalo do love utoliko da se stroj može podmazati. Sama prodaja proizvoda je gotovo nebitna pošto mazivo mogu osigurate na razne načine.
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Ne znam da li si primijetio u svojih x desetljeća kako novac nastaje. Tim kompanijama je stalo do love utoliko da se stroj može podmazati. Sama prodaja proizvoda je gotovo nebitna pošto mazivo mogu osigurate na razne načine.
Jesi primjetio kako je ESG nestao brzo kad je ponestalo novca za njega? Tako i farmaceuti, ako nece zaradivati za cas ce im dionica teziti prema 0.
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Bono, pa jebemu sve, da li si svjestan činjenice da, kako samo kolega HNBovac Vujčić kaže, novac nastaje ex nihilo? Dakle, iz ničega. Razlika između novca u monopoliju i tih šarenih papira u novčaniku (za koje zamijenimo mladost, starost, zdravlje, sve živo) je čisto deklarativna. To je sve stvar dogovora a mi smo uronjeni u sistem u kojem ogromna većina u taj papir gleda kao u boga. Na toj vjeri je bazirana cijela struktura moći.

Nadam se da razumiješ da farmaceuti mogu "zarađivati" na sto načina. Jeftini krediti, donacije država, pravni protekcionizam, tržišno neortodoksni ugovori s državama koje masovno kupuju njihove proizvode i onda ih približno isto tako masivno bacaju. Da niti ne spominjem masovni "revolving door policy" iz kojeg proizlazi većina "uspjeha" kroni kapitalizma.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Ja nisam troll, ali zabrana pisanja je isto jedan način kako onemogućiti argumentiranu raspravu. Ovo je već treći poziv sa tvoje strane na ovakve nečasne akcije što mi dosta govori o tebi. Inače ne smeta me što na drugim temama koristiš nepristojne uvredljive epitete, što je protivno pravilima.
Mogu se i maknuti sa ove teme sve ok, mislio sam da doprinosim.
Pa pises gluposti covjece i provociras. Ne samo mene. Bez brige pisi sta hoces , meni je puko film i idem off do daljnjeg, neda mi se natezati sa takvima. Neke bitke jednostavno treba zaobici.
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Zaobilazimo ga zadnjih godinu-dvije otkad je uskrsno, nista novo :)
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