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Staro 26.09.2025., 16:07   #571
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Cybersecurity researchers at Trend Micro have discovered a new and dangerous variant of LockBit ransomware that targets Windows, Linux, and VMware ESXi systems, utilizing advanced obfuscation techniques and sophisticated cross-platform capabilities.
Advanced Multi-Platform Attack Strategy

LockBit 5.0 represents a significant evolution in ransomware threats, featuring dedicated variants for three critical computing platforms.


The Windows variant employs heavy obfuscation and packing techniques, loading its payload through DLL reflection while implementing sophisticated anti-analysis methods including ETW patching and automatic termination of security services.
The Linux variant maintains similar functionality with command-line options allowing attackers to target specific directories and file types, as
Most concerning is the ESXi variant, which specifically targets VMware virtualization infrastructure, enabling attackers to encrypt entire virtual machine environments with single execution.
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Staro 26.09.2025., 18:58   #572
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[QUOTE=Bono;3822747]Ja jos nisam naisao na neki problem sa Libre officom, tako da se ne slazem da je potreban./QUOTE]
Jedini usability problem na kojeg sam ja naišao sa libre office calc je s velikim fajlovima, parsto hiljada redaka dumpano iz neke baza npr. Calc je to žvakao i žvakao, ali nije mogao sažvakati. Nije se praktično moglo raditi s time. Dok excel takvo nešto otvara bez problema.

Ali to nije niti približno use case kakav 90%+ korisnika ima na dnevnom meniju. Par aplikacija instaliraš iz repozitorija, staviš automatski update i vozi. Možda malo zaglavi svakih 2-4 godine kada treba napraviti upgrade na idući major release.

Ali nije to tema, nego privatnost. A privatnost je danas (kao i mnoge druge stvari) predicirana na ekstremnoj komociji.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 26.09.2025., 20:05   #573
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Sa druge strane imas office koji po defaultu sprema na one drive podatke i kako je rekao kolega, filovi znaju nestati.
Indijci su unistili Microsoft, pod tim mislim za korisnike, svi jos po inerciji koriste njihove proizvode, koliko dugo vidjeti cemo. Najvise volim recall opciju na windows 11, nekad su se ljudi zalili na telemetriju, a danas gledaju recall sa odusevljenjem.

Inace, bez obzira sto Microsoft drzi podatke eu korisnika u europi, u slucaju naloga suda ili neke troslovne agencije, svi podaci idu u ameriku na analizu, nekad su morali hakirati kompjutere, a sad su im sve poslovne tajne servirane na pladnju.

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Staro 26.09.2025., 20:27   #574
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A kao da je bitno na kojem kontinentu čuvaju podatke.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 26.09.2025., 20:48   #575
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Staro 26.09.2025., 23:22   #576
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Ma u redu, ja samo kažem da je to formalnost. MS rudari te podatke na veliko, da li i rezultati obrade isto ostaju na određenom kontinentu? Globalni cloud a oni pričaju o kontinentima, po meni je to priča za bedake.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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A team of suspected Chinese hackers has infiltrated US software developers and law firms in a sophisticated campaign to collect intelligence that could help Beijing in its ongoing trade fight with Washington, cybersecurity firm Mandiant said Wednesday. The hackers have been rampant in recent weeks, hitting the cloud-computing firms that numerous American companies rely on to store key data, Mandiant, which is owned by Google, said. In a sign of how important China's hacking army is in the race for tech supremacy, the hackers have also stolen US tech firms' proprietary software and used it to find new vulnerabilities to burrow deeper into networks, according to Mandiant.

[...] In some cases, the hackers have lurked undetected in the US corporate networks for over a year, quietly collecting intelligence, Mandiant said. The disclosure comes after the Trump administration escalated America's trade war with China this spring by slapping unprecedented tariffs on Chinese exports to the United States. The tit-for-tat tariffs set off a scramble in both governments to understand each other's positions. Mandiant analysts said the fallout from the breaches -- the task of kicking out the hackers and assessing the damage -- could last many months. They described it as a milestone hack, comparable in severity and sophistication to Russia's use of SolarWinds software to infiltrate US government agencies in 2020.
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Ove hakerske bande i programi nemaju veze sa temom i predstavljaju spam.
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Ove hakerske bande i programi nemaju veze sa temom i predstavljaju spam.

Pa valjda autor teme zna?


https://forum.pcekspert.com/showpost...42&postcount=1


@modovi > ako je naslov teme zbunjujuć molim preimenovati u nešto smisleno. Tema je zamišljenja kao skup aktualnih vijesti oko sigurnosnih propusta i provala u vidu edukacije korisnika foruma sa vektorima napada i aktualnim opasnostima te zaštite vlastitih podataka online i offline.
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U biti može proći pod sigurnost podataka kod korisnika, tako da ne treba mijenjati ime teme, dobro je kad malo bolje promislim, isprika.
Doduše ovaj copy/paste na stranom jeziku je iritantan. Napisati na hrvatskom pa staviti izvor je možda bolja opcija.

Nego kad smo kod privatnosti, to možda isto ovdje spada.

Premijer UK, Keir Starmer, koji je na zadnjim izborima osvojio 34% glasova od onih koji su izašli na izbore najavljuje obvezan digitalni ID za svakog tko želi imati posao. Potencijalno opasno. Zamislite da vam stave digitalni id na "disable" ako npr. ne primite nekakav obvezujući "pripravak" u svoj krvotok ili nešto slično. Kako do posla ili do osnovnih usluga od države onda?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...-out-across-uk
Doduše imamo ga i mi kroz npr. e-građani? Doduše nije obvezatno nego samo opcionalno za sada? Ili ga svi imaju po defaultu samo mnogi ne koriste?
Čitam i da UK ima 33 uhićenja dnevno zbog postanja "ilegalnog sadržaja" na internetu ili putem poruka, s time da ta brojka raste iz godinu u godinu što je zabrinjavajuće. S druge strane vjerujem da su mnoga uhićenja opravdana jer ljudi se nespretno izražavaju, pa umjesto da osude nešto specijalno oni osude cijeli narod/ovo/ono čime se potiče mržnja u javnom prostoru. To treba osuditi, samo je pitanje mjere, sivo područje pomalo.
Preko 800.000 Britanaca potpisalo je peticiju u nekoliko sati, odbacujući ovo distopijsko otimanje moći.
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U biti može proći pod sigurnost podataka kod korisnika, tako da ne treba mijenjati ime teme, dobro je kad malo bolje promislim, isprika.
Doduše ovaj copy/paste na stranom jeziku je iritantan. Napisati na hrvatskom pa staviti izvor je možda bolja opcija.

Nego kad smo kod privatnosti, to možda isto ovdje spada.

Premijer UK, Keir Starmer, koji je na zadnjim izborima osvojio 34% glasova od onih koji su izašli na izbore najavljuje obvezan digitalni ID za svakog tko želi imati posao. Potencijalno opasno. Zamislite da vam stave digitalni id na "disable" ako npr. ne primite nekakav obvezujući "pripravak" u svoj krvotok ili nešto slično. Kako do posla ili do osnovnih usluga od države onda?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...-out-across-uk
Doduše imamo ga i mi kroz npr. e-građani? Doduše nije obvezatno nego samo opcionalno za sada? Ili ga svi imaju po defaultu samo mnogi ne koriste?
Čitam i da UK ima 33 uhićenja dnevno zbog postanja "ilegalnog sadržaja" na internetu ili putem poruka, s time da ta brojka raste iz godinu u godinu što je zabrinjavajuće. S druge strane vjerujem da su mnoga uhićenja opravdana jer ljudi se nespretno izražavaju, pa umjesto da osude nešto specijalno oni osude cijeli narod/ovo/ono čime se potiče mržnja u javnom prostoru. To treba osuditi, samo je pitanje mjere, sivo područje pomalo.
Preko 800.000 Britanaca potpisalo je peticiju u nekoliko sati, odbacujući ovo distopijsko otimanje moći.

Vidjeh i iskreno mislim da je dosta problematično jer mi previše smrdi na onu foru sa Kineskim socijalnim kreditom - ako si za partiju si u pozitivi, ako si protiv onda si naj*.
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Vidjeh i iskreno mislim da je dosta problematično jer mi previše smrdi na onu foru sa Kineskim socijalnim kreditom - ako si za partiju si u pozitivi, ako si protiv onda si naj*.
Ne da smrdi nego je, digitalni id + cbdc = brojanje CO2 kredita plus iskljucenje iz drustva za one koji talasaju.
Sad je vec preko 1.2m ljudi potpisalo, ali to nista ne znaci, oni idu dalje.

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A hacking group claims to have pulled data from a GitLab instance connected to Red Hat's consulting business, scooping up 570 GB of compressed data from 28,000 customers. From a report:
The hack was first reported by BleepingComputer and has been confirmed by Red Hat itself. "Red Hat is aware of reports regarding a security incident related to our consulting business and we have initiated necessary remediation steps," Stephanie Wonderlick, Red Hat's VP of communications told 404 Media.

A file released by the hackers and viewed by 404 Media suggested that the hacking group may have acquired some data related to about 800 clients, including Vodafone, T-Mobile, the US Navy's Naval Surface Warfare Center, the Federal Aviation Administration, Bank of America, AT&T, the U.S. House of Representatives, and Walmart.
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Pavel Durov, osnivač Telegrama, u intervjuu sa Lex Fridman-om kaže da integritet njegove usluge je neupitan i da će se radije povući sa tržišta gdje se pokušaju nametnuti ovakve stvari. Serveri su u Dubaiu, Ujedinjeni Arapski Emirati.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjPH9njnaVU
Nisam siguran u kojem vremenu se toga dotakne, ali mislim da je na sredini negdje.
Telegram je super općenito, stvarno dobro razvijena aplikacija, optimizirana i kao za klasu bolja od ostalih. Dosta detalja o njoj iznosi unutra dok pričaju, preporuka za pogledati.
Sve mi se više čini da će vpn-ovi postati neizostavni dio kod mnogih korisnika (ja ga ne koristim) uslijed ovakvih ilegalnih pokušaja napada na privatnost građana, na koji ravnodušni mogu ostati po meni samo ne baš najpametniji građani kao i oni koji su već indoktrinirani i uvjereni da je takva usluga, zbog dječice naravno zbog koga drugoga, apsolutno potrebna, kao i oni famozni koji ne skrivaju ništa ne shvaćajući uopće koncept onoga o čemu se ovdje priča.
Teška tema, ali nadam se da će građani ipak pokazati određeni otpor kao i izbjegavanje određenih aplikacija koje su budu pokazale kao kompromitirane.
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Telegram nije ništa sigurniji, dok se ovaj njihov direktor zalaže za sve i svašta, a čim ga hapse, brže-bolje okreće ploču, a zapravo ga kao i sve takve lagano zaboli za nečiju sigurnost i privatnost.
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United States immigration authorities are moving to dramatically expand their social media surveillance, with plans to hire nearly 30 contractors to sift through posts, photos, and messages—raw material to be transformed into intelligence for deportation raids and arrests. The initiative is still at the request-for-information stage, a step agencies use to gauge interest from contractors before an official bidding process.
I tak, šok i vjeverica da se sve i svakoga već naveliko prati.
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Jel nije chat control propao?

Što se tiče Telegrama, tu mi se čini da vrijedi ona "pričala kurva o poštenju".
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Telegram nije ništa sigurniji, dok se ovaj njihov direktor zalaže za sve i svašta, a čim ga hapse, brže-bolje okreće ploču, a zapravo ga kao i sve takve lagano zaboli za nečiju sigurnost i privatnost.

I tak, šok i vjeverica da se sve i svakoga već naveliko prati.
Ne razumijem. Kako nije sigurniji, ako je minimum minimuma da netko pristupi sadržaju chata sudski nalog, kako i treba biti u usporedbi sa automatskom dostupnošću svakog chat-a od svakog korisnika? U svom razgovoru govori i o tome. Što se šoka i nevjerice tiče, više ih ni ne osjećam kada vidim rezoniranje nekih ljudi.

"If Telegram receives a valid order from the relevant judicial authorities that confirms you're a suspect in a case involving criminal activities that violate the Telegram Terms of Service, we will perform a legal analysis of the request and may disclose your IP address and phone number to the relevant authorities.," reads the updated Telegram privacy policy."
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Nemoj biti naivan, pa to s nalogom je samo formalnost za javnost, jer čim su ga uhapsili tip je pristal dati im kaj god trebaju, dok sad okolo prodaje fore kak se bori za nešto i nekoga. U prijevodu, sve kaj pišeš na Telegramu nije ništa sigurnije od javnih Facebook postova, Instagram objava, TikTok videa, WhatsApp pizdarija i sl. oglasnih ploča koje su već odavno u rukama nadležnih organa.
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... nadam se da će građani ipak pokazati određeni otpor kao i izbjegavanje određenih aplikacija koje su budu pokazale kao kompromitirane.
Moram priznati da se ja ovog lijepo pridržavam zadnjih 25 godina na način da uopće ne koristim društvene mreže niti ove bajne chat aplikacije, čiji osnivači i direktori s milijunima i milijardama na računu se kunu da se bore za moja, tvoja i općenito tuđa prava i privatnost - sve dok ih se ne hapsi, jer onda odmah pjevaju drugu pjesmu.
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Pretpostavljamo?

Tu su pravila.
https://telegram.org/privacy/eu

Bez naloga ništa. To je koncept koji je suprotan "chat control" kojem ne treba nalog i to je poanta.

Što se tiče korištenja društvenih mreža, slažem se, izbjegavati u širokom luku, ali ako netko želi nek koristi, a što se tiče ove gore aplikacije, ako se već mora, za klasu je naprednija tehnološki u odnosu na alternative, a prešla je i milijardu korisnika nedavno.

offtopic najviše mi se svidjelo u razgovoru sa vlasnikom, koji je programer, što dost detalja posvećuje tome kako je naglasak na tome da aplikacija mora biti optimizirana da se lako pokreće i na najstarijim mobitelima, kao i mnoge druge inovativnosti koje su onda konkurentne firme prekopirale nakon par godina.
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Ne, nije pretpostavka, već realnost, jer se sve to desetljećima odigrava u pozadini, a ovaj Telegram nije ništa bolji ni sigurniji, posebice kad im na vrat natovare nadležna tijela s raznim nalozima za koje mogu, a i ne moraju imati pokriće i temelje - jebe im se lagano, a direktoru programeru, ako ne paše, već zna iz prve ruke kaj ga čeka. I onda zapravo imamo istu situaciju kakvu žele sprovesti s ovim chat kontrolama bez naloga (ovaj put su zaštitu od terorizma zamijenili s brigom za djecu), samo kaj se u prvom slučaju, za potrebe javnosti igraju igranke kak eto imaju nalog za pretres profila, pa je sve super po zakonu, nema narušavanja privanosti i tome slične bajke.
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Logika, ako si protiv chat controla, onda si za pedofile...
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blockchain.
Te aplikacije imaju svoje developere, firme, itd. i opet smo na početku sa istim problemom. Sva ta enkripcija i ključevi padaju u vodu ako ovi pokleknu i integriraju skeniranje poruka unutar samog appa (mimoilaze i ključeve i enkripciju legalno).

U tom slučaju se postavlja pitanje - postoji li messenger aplikacija na blockchainu koja nema slabih karika u lancu koje bi ovi psihopati mogli napasti (firma, developeri)?
Znači da je netko napravio shemu za dopisivanje kao šta je netko napravio Bitcoin za financije.
Možda nekakav opensource projekt kojeg svatko može hostati (nodovi) ili tako nešto?
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Post počinje ovdje. Ne znam zašto je forum ubacio ovaj tekst iznad (bug).

Mene je više zanimalo kako bi taj chat control funkcionirao u praksi.
S obzirom da nemam koga to pitati, pitao sam GPT.
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Moj zaključak je da je Chat control jedno veliko klupko problema koje, ako se integrira u aplikacije, predstavlja ogroman sigurnosni problem (o narušavanju privatnosti da ni ne pričam).

Sama činjenica da je nešto takvo ljudima na vlasti uopće moglo pasti na pamet pokušati progurati u zakon, dovoljno govori o tome kakvi ljudi vode EUniju, a time i nas, dok manjak reakcije dovoljno govori o nama.
Zato se nemojte čuditi kad vam sljedeći put pokušaju instalirati kamere za nadzor u spavaćim sobama jer *ubaci izmišljeni razlog*.

No, da se vratim na tehnički aspekt ovog problema.
Ukoliko je GPT u pravu, problem bi se morao moći riješiti jednostavno tako da ne koristite aplikacije koje su pokleknule chat controlu i integrirale ga u sebe.
Naravno da će to zahtijevati izlazak iz zone komfora za 99% ljudi, no ljudi su još 2020e pokazali da su većinom slabići, pa ne očekujem da će se išta desiti.

No da se nekim čudom i desi masovni bojkot i većina ljudi napusti Whatsapp, Viber, Messenger, Signal, itd. (lol), ostaje pitanje gdje bi se ti ljudi mogli prebaciti, i gore od toga, ako nađu neku alternativu, tko im garantira da EU neće početi raditi pritisak na tu alternativnu aplikaciju da i oni integriraju chat control, te dokle to ludilo može sezati?

Npr. neke od alternativa koje korisniku nude potpunu kontrolu nad svojim chatovima su aplikacije bazirane na blockchainu.
Telefonski broj je nepotreban, account se kreira na chainu, dobiju se ključevi accounta (bilo seedphrase ili private key) i dalje je na vama kako ćete osigurati ključeve da ne dođu nekome u posjed. Enkripcija je mislim ista kao i kod Whatsappa, Signala i sl.
Dakle bez ključeva, apsolutno nitko ne može recoverat account i poruke, osim naravno ako mu date svoj mobitel i pristup aplikaciji.

Tu dolazimo do problema aplikacije, odnosno frontenda koji služi kao layer za interakciju korisnik <--> blockchain.
Te aplikacije imaju svoje developere, firme, itd. i opet smo na početku sa istim problemom. Sva ta enkripcija i ključevi padaju u vodu ako ovi pokleknu i integriraju skeniranje poruka unutar samog appa (mimoilaze i ključeve i enkripciju legalno).

U tom slučaju se postavlja pitanje - postoji li messenger aplikacija na blockchainu koja nema slabih karika u lancu koje bi ovi psihopati mogli napasti (firma, developeri)?
Znači da je netko napravio shemu za dopisivanje kao šta je netko napravio Bitcoin za financije.
Možda nekakav opensource projekt kojeg svatko može hostati (nodovi) ili tako nešto?
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Element/matrix odnosno SimpleX padaju na pamet, a sada tko će kada i gdje popustiti, to ćemo morati vidjeti. Mislim da tu postoji i određeno pitanje troška, jer taj velebni CC AI bude netko morao platiti.
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IMHO lako za nofce i troškove, jer Palantir i sl. već imaju dobro uhodanu šablonu s kojom svoje usluge i proizvode uspješno integriraju u sve sfere modernog društva.
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Koncentrirati se. Telegram nije firma koja je osnovana i ima sjedište u US.
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Moj zaključak je da je Chat control jedno veliko klupko problema koje, ako se integrira u aplikacije, predstavlja ogroman sigurnosni problem (o narušavanju privatnosti da ni ne pričam).

Sama činjenica da je nešto takvo ljudima na vlasti uopće moglo pasti na pamet pokušati progurati u zakon, dovoljno govori o tome kakvi ljudi vode EUniju, a time i nas, dok manjak reakcije dovoljno govori o nama.
Zato se nemojte čuditi kad vam sljedeći put pokušaju instalirati kamere za nadzor u spavaćim sobama jer *ubaci izmišljeni razlog*.

No, da se vratim na tehnički aspekt ovog problema.
Ukoliko je GPT u pravu, problem bi se morao moći riješiti jednostavno tako da ne koristite aplikacije koje su pokleknule chat controlu i integrirale ga u sebe.
Naravno da će to zahtijevati izlazak iz zone komfora za 99% ljudi, no ljudi su još 2020e pokazali da su većinom slabići, pa ne očekujem da će se išta desiti.
2020. je mnogima otvorila oči vjerujem, mnogima nije i dalje, mogi misle da se nema tu što otvarati, teško je biti pametan. Ja sam onda bio spreman i da mi daju otkaz, ali pokolebao se nisam i danas mi je drago zbog toga.

Ne treba ni tu možda previše dramatizirati. Ako uvedu potpunu ilegalnu kontrolu nad nekim aplikacijama vjerujem da će se pojaviti alternative koje će onda ljudi koristiti.

I dalje smatram, da uz nalog, da bi se trebao moći dopustiti pristup sadržaju, jer ipak postoje stvarni zločinci koje bi se tako, uz normalnu proceduru koja ne krši osnovna ljudska prava i privatnost, mogli sankcionirati, a sve za dobrobit društva u cjelini.

Donedavno je iPhone slovio kao raj za kriminalce? Nisam siguran, ali navodno bi odbijali bilo kakve zahtjeve bilo čije policije iz bilo koje zemlje. Vjerujem da možda danas više nije tako.

Nije da ljudi koji su protiv ovoga imaju nešto za skrivati, nego stvar je bojazni zbog mogućnosti zloupotrebe u budućnosti.

Mnogi taj koncept razmišljanja i dalje ne mogu shvatiti te će za neke ostati nepremostiva intelektualna barijera koju neće nikad savladati.

Laka noć ljudi
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Signal je najavio da će napustiti EU market ako to sranje zaživi, u tom slučaju teoretski bi se s VPNom mogao i dalje koristiti. Broj telefona koriste samo kao verifikaciju i da mi spriječili multi accounte, ne kao provjeru zemlje korištenja.
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Ako cc zaživi nema više safe aplikacije. Telegram ne koristim i ne vjerujem mu ni najmanje. Jedini kojem donekle vjerujem je signal, koji ako cc zazivi, a on ne nestane znamo sve...
A budite sigurni ako cc zazivi da su sljedece na listi VPN-ovi jer to im je bitnije od chat apova. Koji god vpn provider ne pruzi backdoor i log-ove nece vise moc delat na podrucju EU, a to nije mala stvar IMO.
Govorim naravno o kvalitetnim vpn-ovima, a ne onim razno raznim "free" koji su ili scamovi ili honey potevi...
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Pa da im je VPN važniji i da ga razumiju već bi navalili na njega. Ljudi koji o tome odlučuju su preglupi da bi shvatili neke stvari. Ali da, prije ili poslije netko će im skrenut pažnju i VPN bi mogao biti slijedeći na udaru.
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