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Staro 12.12.2024., 17:13   #481
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Ajd daje i mrvu više VRAM-a. Ja sam uzeo 3060Ti u prva 2 tj od kada je izašla i platio je tada 530€ (4k kn) kada se preračuna....trebao je taj Arc BM biti max 250€ ili čak i manje. Koliko je 6700XT/7600/7700? Kladim se da su ispod tih 350€ ili neka su i tu negdje, pa tko ima mozga će radije uzet Radeonku za istu lovu.

Nisam gledao ni čitao rivju, ravnam se po ovome što kažeš da je egal sa 3060Ti. BTW ja se sa svojom igram još uvijek pošteno...na 1080p.

EDIT: Išao sam samo bacit oko na potrošnju i vidim da troši isto kao 3060Ti....koja je na puno lošijem samsungovom proizvodnom procesu.
Ići će ta cijena vj ubrzo dole i onda će taj BM biti pristojna kupovina.
Kad stigneš, provjeri recenzije, jer sve su iste, ali 250$ cijena je samo USA stakleno zvono, kad ostatak svijeta ima realne cifre s uključenim porezom i onda je to već malo (pre)više novaca.

Makar, lako za to, jer, ako stvarno skroz ugase Intel GPU diviziju, onda su svi postojeći i potencijali kupci ostali na suhom bez aktivne podrške i daljnjeg Xe razvoja.
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Staro 12.12.2024., 17:20   #482
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E da, na poslu imam neki i7 U 13th koji ima Arc grafu (neka budalaština sa 2 normalne i 8 ovih govnastih jezgri), stari moj mislim da me valjda svaki tjedan 2 puta upozorava da su izašli novi driveri. Kao početkom 2000ih, svaki dan novi driver. Prilično iritantno iskustvo.
Na kraju sam deinstalirao to neko intelovo govno za provjeru drivera, BTW isto je i sa wifi/BT jer i oni izlaze na tjednoj bazi...ne kužim čemu...jel se to opravdavaju pozicije u SW diviziji ili koji vrag?!
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Staro 12.12.2024., 17:26   #483
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Krpaju sve živo i neživo, tak da ima materijala na svakodnevnoj bazi, jer sad je panika, kad ni sami ne znaju koji dio Intela će preživjeti, a koji ide na prodaju ili se kompletno gasi.
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Staro 13.12.2024., 18:46   #484
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Nakupovali se oni svega i svačeg pa nek prodaju sad, isto ko što je i AMD kad je stislo .
Samo nek ARC ne prodaju. Vidim da Sapphire ulazi u ARC priču s Onix brandom.
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Staro 13.12.2024., 19:01   #485
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Postoji li realna opasnost da intel prdekne? Ne pratim što se događa.
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Itekak postoji, ali vrlo vjerojatno ne bude došlo do toga, jer ih već sad država spašava.
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Ako prodaju, nadam se da će kupiti ARM ili tak neko tko ima smisla.
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Dosta se trude oko softvera za Arc, zato stalno izlaze novi driveri. Osobno ne bi volio da to propadne, zašto nvidia ne bi imala alternativu, bar u lower endu. AMD se baš i nije iskazao što se tiče tog segmenta (7600XT je loša šala za ovu cijenu za koju se prodaje). Tako da želim Intelu sve najbolje za taj Arc. A i moja prva grafa je bila Intelova pa sam tu malo pristran
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Moraju se truditi s driverima, jer su praktički bili neupotrebljivi s Alchemist karticama i nemaju pretjerani izbor, nego što prije nadoknaditi prednost koju imaju Radeon i GeForce kartice. Pošto na AI polju nisu negdje naročito, nemaju ni to GPU zaleđe ko nVidia i AMD, pa da onda mogu raditi kaj god ih volja s desktop i mobilnim izdanjima. Lako čak i za RX 7600 XT ili RTX 4060, kad se B580 bori s (rabljenim) RX 6700 XT i RTX 3060 Ti modelima. Nažalost, kak god se okrene, stručLJaci u Intelu su sve njihove divizije uspjeli dovesti do (potencijalnog) ruba (propasti), makar imaju čisto solidnih proizvoda, ali tko zna kaj bude na kraju ispalo. Trenutno ovise o državnom nofcu, a samim time, nemaju više luksuz birati, do te mjere da im sad i država diktira što od divizija i u kojoj količini će ih prodati ili zadržati.
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Držim fige da izađe i treća serija...od nvidije sam totalno digo ruke, amd ina jako male šanse i buduća konzola je praktički najizvjesnija....eventualno Intel ako za par godina napravi nešto sa trećom serijom.
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Postoji li realna opasnost da intel prdekne? Ne pratim što se događa.

Mislim da nema šanse da prdekne jer ih usa vidi kao strateški resurs (proizvodni dio), ali su velike šanse, ja bih rekao vrlo izgledne, da će to uskoro biti neka značajo drugačija kompanija od one koja su bili. U smislu da se neće baviti istim stvarima i na isti način kao što su to ranije radili.


Što se Intelovih grafičkih tiče, to još uvijek ne bih ni taknuo, ali kreću se u dobrom smjeru i volio bih da uspiju nastaviti priču. Nažalost, čini se da ove cijene po kojima sad to ide, iako ih uopće ne smatram tako genijalnim kako interneti tvrde i reklamiraju (s obzirom na performanse), nose vrlo niski profit, ako ikakav, tako da ne znam što će ovaj "reži i reži") menadžment reći na to.
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https://www.links.hr/hr/graficka-kar...ddr6-010503569

350 eura, uopće nije loše. To je ta smart klasa, neki ju zovu budget koja je i najpopularnija i najprodavanija...od koje sve kreče kao baza, pa ako daje dobre performanse teže se odlučuje za brže pa ni one ne mogu divljati sa cijenama...još kad srede drivere kroz pola godine budemo mogli objektivnije cijeniti uloženo/dobiveno.

edit; Intel XeSS je vrlo dobar
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350€ je itekak loše, jer nije 250$ ili 250€ kak se to reklamira po svim recenzijama, a B580 kartice najveću konkurenciju imaju u (rabljenim) RX 6700 XT i RTX 3060 Ti modelima.
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Treba vidjeti cijene za nekih 2mj, ovo sada je klasičan porez na early adoptere...
Premda po viđenom u recenzijama, ovo je čisto OK.
Da je 200€ puna cijena, e to bi bio hit za budget build, ovako....živi bili pa vidili.
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Da, zapravo najveći problem je da ARC nema nikakvu garanciju dugovječnosti, jer u Intelu sad žive od danas do sutra i ostaje pitanje kaj bude im na kraju preostalo.
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Da, zapravo najveći problem je da ARC nema nikakvu garanciju dugovječnosti, jer u Intelu sad žive od danas do sutra i ostaje pitanje kaj bude im na kraju preostalo.
AMD je radio s gubitkom godinama i nigdje nije otišao, tako neće ni Intel.
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Je, ali šrot AMD nije spašavala država kroz poticaje i subvencije, već su se svi nadali da firma totalno propadne i nestane. Intel nema tih briga, jer su državi od "strateške važnosti".
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Država ne spašava Intel nego im daje poticaje da izgrade tvornice za proizvodnju čipova koje su od strateške važnosti. I nije samo Intel dobio novce, dobili su i drugi.
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350€ je itekak loše, jer nije 250$ ili 250€ kak se to reklamira po svim recenzijama, a B580 kartice najveću konkurenciju imaju u (rabljenim) RX 6700 XT i RTX 3060 Ti modelima.
Uvijek bilo i ostalo 1$=10 kn msrp/konačna cijena sa PDV-om. A sad jebiga polovno ili novo su dvije različite stvari. Ak kupiš polovno za 250 eura i rikne sutra bacio si ih u smeće, a ovak imaš ovu sa garancijom.
I ja sam za polovno ali nisu svi.
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Jasno, samo velim u kakvoj nezahvalnoj situaciji su se našli. Battlemage kartice su im trebale biti prvi izlet u novije GPU vode i to vrijeme kad su RX 6000 i RTX 3000 taman izašli i to bi bila pjesma za Intel ARC diviziju. Uprava i menandžment su skupa s kojekakvim Gelsingerima odavno trebali biti potjerani, umjesto da sad otpuštaju desetke tisuća ljudi, dok si glavni krivci na nastalu situaciju isplaćuju bonuse za otkaze i općenito iz firme izigravaju žrtvu.
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Država ne spašava Intel nego im daje poticaje da izgrade tvornice za proizvodnju čipova koje su od strateške važnosti. I nije samo Intel dobio novce, dobili su i drugi.
Vraga ih ne spašava (1 - 2), pa Intel bez tih novaca koje su dobili i drugi kroz CHIPS odredbe, realno nema ništa, inače ne bi bili u situaciji u kojoj su sad. Ni sami ne koriste svoje proizvodne kapacitete za proizvodnju tih strateški važnih proizvoda. I onda dođe COVID-19, pa ispadne da Intel za proizvodnju svojih strateški važnih proizvoda isto tako ovisi o tvornicama i dobavljačima na drugom kraju svijeta. I sad Intel koji država ne spašava kroz CHIPS odredbe dobi nofce da izgrade tvornice, a istovremeno ih se žele riješiti kroz kojekakve spin-off fabless mudrolije, a država im ne da i uvjetuje u kojem postotku vlasničke strukture moraju nastaviti.
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Da je to samo Intel. Gledam godinama različite kompanije uništene zbog uprave i menadžmenta i dobivaju povišice, dodatke i tko zna što, a posluju negativno.
Nije mi jasno da nema u ugovoru ak posluješ negativno nema ničega i možeš dobiti otkaz bilo kada u takvom slučaju.
Što se tiče Intela tamo skoro sve na vrhu treba smjeniti.
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Točno to, ono kaj smo već u nebrojeno navrata komentirali diljem ovakvih tema, Intelova situacija je bila kakvih 20 godina u nastajanju uz uvijek rekordne zarade, a konkretna stagnacija bez konkurencije. I onda ih odjednom udari sve sa svih strana, dok se Uprava i menandžment tapšaju po ramenima kak su super posel odradili. 150+ milijardi su spiskali na otkupljivanje vlastitih dionica tijekom posljednjih nekoliko desetljeća, tak da se lakše oda dojam uspješnosti uz obavezno isplaćivanje bonusa.
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Jasno, samo velim u kakvoj nezahvalnoj situaciji su se našli. Battlemage kartice su im trebale biti prvi izlet u novije GPU vode i to vrijeme kad su RX 6000 i RTX 3000 taman izašli i to bi bila pjesma za Intel ARC diviziju.
Battlemage je ok, samo da je došao malo ranije i da cijene u Europi nisu previsoke.
Isto tako uskoro izlazi nova generacija grafičkih kartica od AMD-a i Nvidia-e.


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Uprava i menandžment su skupa s kojekakvim Gelsingerima odavno trebali biti potjerani, umjesto da sad otpuštaju desetke tisuća ljudi, dok si glavni krivci na nastalu situaciju isplaćuju bonuse za otkaze i općenito iz firme izigravaju žrtvu.
Ako nisi primjetio sve kompanije otpuštaju ljude zadnje dvije godine, jer su za vrijeme Covida narasli i sada su ti ljudi višak, plus kriza.
Intel uz to još uvijek nije složio svoje tvornice, novi čipovi nisu isto baš nešto i polako gubi tržište od AMD-a mada još uvijek drže većinu.


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Vraga ih ne spašava, pa Intel bez tih novaca koje su dobili i drugi kroz CHIPS odredbe, realno nema ništa, inače ne bi bili u situaciji u kojoj su sad. Ni sami ne koriste svoje proizvodne kapacitete za proizvodnju tih strateški važnih proizvoda. I onda dođe COVID-19, pa ispadne da Intel za proizvodnju svojih strateški važnih proizvoda isto tako ovisi o tvornicama i dobavljačima na drugom kraju svijeta. I sad Intel koji država ne spašava kroz CHIPS odredbe dobi nofce da izgrade tvornice, a istovremeno ih se žele riješiti kroz kojekakve spin-off fabless mudrolija, a država im ne da i uvjetuje u kojem postotku vlasničke strukture moraju nastaviti.
Intel još uvijek drži većinu tržišta tako da ne bi rekao da nema ništa. Svoje proizvodne kapacite koriste, ali ne za sve dok ne slože proizvodnju kako spada. Mada je i onda moguće da će za neke stvari koristiti TSMC.
Danas skoro svi ovisi o nekom drugom, svijet se je promijenio odavno ne proizvode svi sve.
Normalno da se uprava želi riješiti tvornica jer posluju u minusu što je u konačnica krivica uprave i menadžmenta. To im je najednostavnije umjesto da nađu nekog sposobnog tko će to dovesti u red.
Doveli su Jim Keller-a i čovjek je otišao jer nije mogao ništa napraviti zbog kretena odozgora.
Nadam se da će na kraju američka vlada nametnuti nekog privremenog upravitelja koji će moći nešto napraviti i dovesti Intel u red.
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To je to, imamo isto mišljenje o svemu kaj je snašlo Intel i svijet općenito, jedino kaj ja sa svoje strane namjerno naglašavam situaciju u kojoj se Intel našel, jer koliko god i ostali bili pogođeni, ipak nemaju takve probleme, a bajni Pat Gelsinger je zaposlil 20.000+ ljudi od 2021. da bi ih krajem 2024. otpuštali u istoj toj količini, dok on po društvenim mrežema pjeva borbene o 18A procesu, te traži molitve za Intel i zaposlenike. I općenito se oko Intela od njihove uvijek revolvirajuće Uprave i menandžmenta stvara priča kao da je riječ o nekoj maloj firmi koju treba žaliti, pomoći im na sve moguće načine, jadni oni, svašta nešto. Iskreno, IMHO oni i dalje žive na staroj slavi, zato drže još većinu tržišta, mada polako gube sve svoje utvrde i potiho se nadaju da će se nešto samo od sebe riješiti i promijeniti u njihovu korist, a vrlo vjerojatno im se može desiti ovo kaj spominješ - da im država radi svih novaca koje su im dali, lijepo nametne novu strukturu, bez da Intel ima pravo glasa, jer koliko vidimo, sami nemaju pojma kaj rade.
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imik, ajde malo objektivno sagledaj situaciju. Ovako ispadaš skroz pristran intelu, što je skroz neozbiljno. Ja prvi ne želim da propadnu jer je potrebna konkurencija na tržištu, ako ovo što imamo uopće i možemo zvati tržište. Ali ako pričamo o "subvencijama" pa valjda znamo što to znači. To je kao da ja sada kolegi izopćeniku uzmem novac i onda tebe "subvencioniram" da biš ti proizvodio isto što i on. Što je to nego bail out? To što se to drugačije zove nije uopće bitno.
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350€ je itekak loše, jer nije 250$ ili 250€ kak se to reklamira po svim recenzijama, a B580 kartice najveću konkurenciju imaju u (rabljenim) RX 6700 XT i RTX 3060 Ti modelima.
Ne možeš uspoređivat novo i rabljeno, onda tak se može reć i da je jadnim 7600/4060 modelima isto konkurencija RX 6700 XT i RTX 3060 Ti. Ako se kupuje novo puno prije bi uzeo tog intela nego 7600xt koji je u stvari 6600/6650xt, u prijevodu amd podvaljuje istu grafu tri generacije
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To i rade, zato se uvijek i osvrnemo na sve te pizdarije i zato se uvijek spomenu rabljene kartice, jer ARC B580 ne dolazi u vakuum. Jebiga, zakasnili su sa svime u svakom tržišnom segmentu i tak jasno da AMD i nVidia već godinama prodaju jedno-te-iste prepakirane modele. Zajeb je u tome da kupci ARC modela nemaju ama baš nikakvu garanciju da im nove kartice sutra ne ostanu bez podrške, jer Intelu ta divizija kao i mnoge druge, stvara uteg oko vrata i to je jedini razlog zbog čega svoje postove sročim na taj način, bilo u ovoj temi, bilo u glavnoj, di smo naveliko i naširoko svi zajedno preokrenulo Intelovu povijest bolesti. Možemo se do vijeka vjekova pretvarati da je sve super u Intelu, ali nažalost nije, niti će ih ove solidne budžet kartice spasiti, posebice, jer se zapravo rješavaju mobilnih čipova koje nisu uspjeli uvaliti OEM/ODM društvu koje ih ne želi ni pod razno. I kad za koji tjedan AMD i nVidia na CES-u 2025. najave i izbace nove RX 8000 i RTX 5000 modele, bojim se da bude ARC divizija imala dodatnu problematiku.
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imik, ajde malo objektivno sagledaj situaciju. Ovako ispadaš skroz pristran intelu, što je skroz neozbiljno. Ja prvi ne želim da propadnu jer je potrebna konkurencija na tržištu, ako ovo što imamo uopće i možemo zvati tržište. Ali ako pričamo o "subvencijama" pa valjda znamo što to znači. To je kao da ja sada kolegi izopćeniku uzmem novac i onda tebe "subvencioniram" da biš ti proizvodio isto što i on. Što je to nego bail out? To što se to drugačije zove nije uopće bitno.
Po čemu sam ja pristran Intelu. Muzli su korisnike godinama bez milosti i sada kad je AMD napravio dobar procesor oni nisu imali ništa jer su trošili novac na gluposti umjesto da su ulagali u razvoj.
Intel neće propasti kao ni što nisu neke druge američke firme koje su od strateškog značaja.
Sve države imaju subvencije, pogledaj samo za što sve hrvatska daje subvencije ili EU.
Što se tiče subvencija Intel nije dobio još ništa, navodno do kraja godine bi trebali dobiti manji dio, možda. I to što će dobiti je mali dio onoga što oni moraju uložiti u tvornice.

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> Država ne spašava Intel nego im daje poticaje da izgrade tvornice

> Battlemage je ok, samo da je došao malo ranije i da cijene u Europi nisu previsoke.

Možda sam ja krivo shvatio ove izjave.
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