Intel ARC/Xe GPU

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Najvjerovatnjie će početkom godine prvo izdati entry level grafičke, a kasnije one bolje. Mene zanimaju kak će ispasti mainstrem na razini RTX3060 i 3070.

[The Exiled]

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https://www.digitaltrends.com/comput...ng-march-2022/
Alkemist odgođen do ožujka.

Although Intel hasn’t revealed the official release date of the new graphics cards, many expected to see them in early January. However, if the report from IT Home is correct, Intel may be trying to avoid direct competition with Nvidia. Delaying the release by two months also gives Intel more time to ensure that the cards will offer seamless performance from the get-go.
Nvidia is rumored to release three new graphics cards in January and considering that Intel is only just entering the discrete GPU market, this will be a tough competitor to beat. Unfortunately, delaying the release of the new GPUs for Intel can also mean reduced interest when they do hit the market in March, provided that Nvidia’s new products are well-received.

ARC Battlemage će prvenstveno konkurirati Nivdijin Lovelace.

https://wccftech.com/intel-enthusias...d-rdna-3-gpus/

An interesting quote from one of MLID's sources states that Intel could be researching a Tiled-GPU approach for its next-gen DG3 offerings. At least AMD is expected to offer a multi-chiplet graphics architecture with its RDNA 3 series and Intel might be the second GPU maker to go this route. This will also be the route for integrated graphics as we have already seen that Meteor Lake CPUs are getting a Tile design with separate CPU/GPU/SOC IPs. It is said that Meteor Lake CPUs and onwards with next-gen ARC GPUs will leave AMD in the dust on the mobile platform. AMD will be rehauling its Ryzen APUs with RDNA 2 GPU cores next month and that will deliver a huge performance uplift so Intel's true answer to them will come in 2023.

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Exclusive Intel Arc GPU Interview ft. DrLupo and Raja Kadori | Intel Gaming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yre8CHS73-Q

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Intel Arc Update: Alchemist Laptops Q1, Desktops Q2; 4mil GPUs total for 2022

Intel will indeed ship the first Arc mobile products in the current quarter, desktop products will not come until Q2. Meanwhile, in the first disclosure of chip volumes, Intel is now projecting that they’ll ship 4mil+ Arc GPUs this year. The pre-recorded presentation from Koduri does not offer any further details as to why Intel has their much-awaited Arc Alchemist architecture-based desktop products trailing their mobile products by a quarter. We know from previous announcements that the Alchemist family is comprised of two GPUs, so it may be that Intel is farther ahead on manufacturing and delivering the smaller of the two GPUs, which would be best suited for laptops. Assuming AMD and nVidia deliver as many chips in 2022 as they did in 2021, Intel will be adding at most no more than another 10% to the overall volume of GPUs sold.

Intel’s 2023 client processor platform, Meteor Lake was previously confirmed by the company to use a chiplet/tile approach. Now the company is offering a bit more detail on their tile approach, confirming that Meteor Lake will use a separate graphics tile, and offering the first visual mock-up of what this tiled approach will look like. Now, thanks to this morning’s investor presentation, we have our first look at the graphics side of Meteor Lake. For Intel’s 2023/2024 platform, Intel isn’t just offering a compute tile separate from an IO/SoC tile, but graphics will be their own tile as well. And that graphics tile, in turn, will be based on Intel’s Arc graphics technologies – presumably the Battlemage architecture. This will put Intel roughly a year and a half to two years behind arch-rival AMD in terms of integrated graphics feature sets, as AMD’s brand-new Ryzen 6000 “Rembrandt” APUs are launching today with a DX12U-capable GPU architecture.

Izvor: AnandTech

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This will put Intel roughly a year and a half to two years behind arch-rival AMD in terms of integrated graphics feature sets, as AMD’s brand-new Ryzen 6000 “Rembrandt” APUs are launching today with a DX12U-capable GPU architecture.

I sa boljim driverima.

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Intel plans May-June 2022 launches of Arc "Alchemist" desktop graphics cards

Intel is reportedly targeting early-Summer (May-June) for the launch of its ambitious attempt at AAA gaming graphics cards for desktops, the Arc "Alchemist" series, based on the Xe-HPG graphics architecture, according to a report by Igor's Lab. Product launches are expected anywhere between May 2 and June 1, so one could expect some market availability within Summer. The Arc "Alchemist" series is designed to be sold through a handful board partners Intel already has strong industry relations with. The Arc "Alchemist" lineup will initially target four market segments, including the performance segment, meant for maxed out AAA gaming, with XeSS possibly even enabling 4K Ultra HD gameplay. Intel's entry to the gaming graphics space is expected to introduce an element of competitive pressure against both nVidia and AMD, as the company has the financial muscle to keep investing in this market if it tastes success with "Alchemist."

Izvor: TechPowerUp

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Intel XeSS ce biti open source, a druga verzija tog scalera ce raditi na svim karticama koje podrzavaju DP4a instrukcije.

[The Exiled]

A New Player has Entered the Game | Intel Arc Graphics

We are officially launching our Intel® Arc™ graphics family for laptops, completing the Intel platform. These are the first discrete GPUs from our graphics portfolio for laptops, with our desktop and workstation products coming later this year.

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[The Exiled]

I tak veli Tom da mu se nekak čini da zapravo još nemaju ništa konkretno i da se stvara dojam kak je sve prikazano zapravo izrenderirano, posebice ARC Control dio.

Taman kad Intel ARC GPU izbaci u kojoj već količini, njihovo najbolje bude lijepih dvije generacije iza AMD-a i nVidije, koji u to vrijeme na tržištu imaju RDNA 3 i Lovelace.

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Da, hrpu toga su obećali i najavili, a kad vidim da ženska prilikom XeSS tech-demo materijala, prvo krene na Space tipku, tako da odpauzira unaprijed pripremljen video - pitanje je da li se pokazano uopće ikad odvrtjelo na konkretnom hardveru, odnosno da li Intel uopće ima svoje rješenje stvarno spremno ili je sve zapravo samo izrenderirano (na čijem već hardveru) u Unreal Engineu i onda dodatno filtritano (blur, sharpness, itd.), tako da se stvore side-by-side razlike. Nažalost, ne bi bilo ni prvi ni zadnji put da se nešto prikazuje onakvim kakvim bi htjeli da bude (1 - 2), mada realno nije blizu tome, ali OK - budemo pričekali finalni proizvod.

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U svakom slučaju treba vidjeti kakav će efekt intelove dgpu postići, makar u rušenju cijena

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Intel Arc "Alchemist" desktop graphics cards launch pushed to late-June/July

Supply issues seem to continue to affect Intel's ambitious desktop GPU launch plans, with the Arc "Alchemist" line of desktop discrete GPUs now launching at "late Q2 or early Q3,". This would put the launch toward the end of June, or some time in July. This follows a similar trend with availability of notebooks powered by Arc "Alchemist" discrete GPUs, which are expected to be available in June, despite a March product launch. A mid-year launch risks putting Intel's nascent dGPU lineup perilously close to AMD's RX 6x50 refresh, and nVidia's RTX 40-series "Ada Lovelace" graphics cards, expected to debut across the second half of 2022. At launch, Intel's desktop graphics card lineup will include as many as five SKUs, including the Arc A380, the Arc A580, the Arc A770, and the flagship Arc A780, which is probably a Limited Edition SKU. With the rumored performance numbers we're seeing, These SKUs have the potential to impress gamers, provided they aren't obsolete at launch by next-generation models from nVidia and AMD.

Izvor: TechPowerUp

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• Intel XeSS super-resolution technology launches on May 20 with Dolmen

• Intel XeSS is not launching with Dolmen this week

In other news ...

AMD's FSR 2.0 even worked with Intel Integrated Graphics

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Underdog AMD sa open source rijesenjima pomaze gamingu, Intel sa odgodama ce trebati smanjivati i cijenu svojih buducih kartica, jer Rdna3 i Rtx 4000 su uskoro na trzistu a i trziste se oporavilo po pitanju dostupnosti kartica sto opet ne ide u prilog Intelu.

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J.E.B.E.N.O. - u današnjoj epizodi Žive istine s Joškom Martinovićem i Dariom Marjanović - Intel najavljuje nasljednika Ponte Vecchio HPC GPU rješenja koje ionak kasni zajedno s Aurora superračunalom.

Istovremeno ni traga ni glasa ARC desktop modelima, dok GeForce RTX 4000 i Radeon RX 7000 rješenja stižu u ljetno-jesenskim mjesecima.

Intelov tajming kao i uvijek - besprijekoran.

Intel unveils Rialto Bridge: Second-Gen Xe-HPC accelerator to succeed Ponte Vecchio

Izvor: AnandTech

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Hoce li uopce izlaziti ARC Desktop modeli, ili ce to obustaviti zbog skupe proizvodnje i slabih performansi, pa nastaviti sa razvojem ARC 2.
Uglavnom bilo im je logicnije dok je bila nestasica, napraviti graficke u rangu RX 580 i proizvoditi ih u svojim Intel 7nm pogonima, ali potraznja za procesorima to ocito nije dopustala, a mozda su driveri glavni problem hmmm.

[The Exiled]

Intel ARC GPU samo što nije, a i imaju i novog lead developera (lik i djelo u prilogu) koji istovremeno obnaša dužnost driver delivery directora.

Kaj se proizvodnje tiče, Intel baš kao i ovaj stručnjak u videu, ovisi o vanjskim kapacitetima, tako da se lakše promovira tzv. in-house manufacturing uz kanban kakvog bi se i Toyota posramila.

#robotaksiji_i_ARC_GPU_2023./2024.

[Odinarius]

Ako ništa drugo, kao "stari" proizvodni proces, 7nm bi trebao biti vrlo jeftin za Intel sad kad ga AMD napusti (ili barem značajno smanji potražnju).

[The Exiled]

Ma tak svejedno, jer već godinama obeća(va)ju i najavljuju, pa ništa konkretno, a očekivalo se da njihove kartice naprave pomutnju na tržištu i vrate budžet gaming.

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Za budget graficke kartice sasvim bi bilo dovoljno koristiti TSMC 7nm ili Intel 7nm, ali oni su ipak Intel i "trebaju" biti konkurentni u svakom segmentu, od tehnologije do performansi.
Realno gledajuci, tesko je napraviti jeftiniju graficku od Rx 6400, Rx 6500Xt te Rx 6600 a da bude slicna po performansama.

[The Exiled]

Oni sa svojim ARC modelima ciljaju na RTX 3060 Ti, 3070 rang i RX 6700 XT, 6800, sve im radi TSMC na 6nm, a dosad imamo par anemičnih mobilnih modela koje je moguće nabaviti samo kad je pun mjesec.

Tak da, ako i stvarno izdaju ARC GPU-ove u spomenutom rangu i to sad kad nVidia i AMD spremaju nove generacije, onda ih jedino cijena spašava.

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Znaci jos gori segment ciljaju, da su se bazirali na donju i srednju rang tu bi jos mogli biti konkurentni, ali 3060Ti + i jos sad kad dodu nove serije od Amd i Nvidia, nebi bilo cudno da odustanu od Arc 1.

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Imaju manufacturing ugovor s TSMC pa će ga izdati na tržište, ali negdje sam pročitao informaciju da se radi o ograničenoj seriji (4 milijuna primjeraka), pa će vjerojatno taj ugovor biti ispunjen i ići će se dalje, bez povećanja proizvodnje.

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Koliko je otprilike proizvedeno Rdna 1 grafickih kartica, ili npr. Nvidia Rtx 2000?
4 milijuna primjeraka se cini premalen broj, tako da je pitanje hoce li ih uopce biti na nasem trzistu.

[The Exiled]

4 milijuna ARC modela je zapravo sveukupno uključujući OEM modele primarno za laptope, a desktop kartice budu tek manji dio tih 4 milijuna.

nVidia CFO, Colette Kress shared some details regarding the adoption of the GeForce RTX graphics cards, a total of 20 million Turing and Ampere cards have been sold to date.

nVidia i AMD imaju dosad nekoliko desetaka milijuna prodanih i proizvedenih RTX 2000/3000 i RX 5000/6000 primjeraka s tim da nVidia prednjači, a Intel drži većinu GPU tržišnog udjela na temelju CPU + iGPU rješenja.

Izvor: TechPowerUp

Kak god se okrene Intelovih 4 milijuna je kap u moru taman da je sve samo desktop ARC GPU, a nije, niti bude i onda još kasne i ako uspiju izdati nešto, taman budu se našli između nove RTX 4000 i RX 7000 serije.

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Da, sa tako malim brojem opipavaju trziste da se nebi opekli, vidim sada da se Desktop graficke prestavljaju kao Limited Edition.
Nista od toga, treba pratiti sta ce biti sa ARC 2.

[The Exiled]

IMHO sjebali su se i prije, nego su išta plasirali na tržište, jer imaju (opet) novog direktora i Raju stručnjaka koji po cijele dane daju sulude izjave popraćene Twitter marketingom.

Prošle su skoro četiri godine od prvih najava i evo nas danas u 2022. na pragu ARC GPU lansiranja i još uvijek nemamo ništa konkretno osim nekolicine PowerPoint slajdova.

Tak da, kad ARC napokon i stigne, već bude prekasno, nVidia ne misli čekati Intel, pa da imaju konkurenciju, mada ni AMD se previše ne zamara.

Obje firme idu svojim putem s novim proizvodima, dok Intel možda izda nešto kaj su ovi imali prije dvije generacije.

[Odinarius]

Možda im nije bilo svejedno prije godinu dana, danas ih sigurno više nije briga.

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Da, nemaju razloga zamarati se Intelovim ARC rješenjima kad imaju svoje i još k tome višestruko bolje, em RTX 4000 serija dodatno podiže performanse koje ARC nije ni dostigel, a AMD sad za RX 7000 GPU ide putem MCM i chiplet pristupa, kad istu stvar već imaju za Zen i CDNA serverske akceleratore. Intel puno toga najavljuje i u jako kratkom vremenu su odlučili izbaciti brdo novih CPU i GPU rješenja, dok istovremeno povećavaju vlastite proizvodne kapacitete, a sve najave im ovise o istom TSMC-u s kojim nVidia i AMD već više od dvadeset godina surađuju, a Intel je do prije godinu-dvije ismijaval sve spomenute firme, jer nitko nije bolji od Intela.

Nažalost, realnost je malo drukčija i desetljeće nikakvog napretka ih je koštalo, jer AMD je bil na rubu propasti, a nVidia se bavi tamo nekim gaming karticama. Danas je nVidia jača, nego ikad u HPC/ML/AI svijetu sa svojim karticama, Intel gubi nekad zacementiran tržišni udio od strane AMD-a, ARM-a i nVidije istovremeno, pa hajde da s novim i trećim po redu (unatrag četiri godine) direktorom najavimo brdo novih stvari, pa fino turneja po svim mogućim portalima i to je to - najboljiJi smo. Intel se i dalje ponaša kao da su jučer izdali Conroe ili Sandy Bridge, a AMD je na to izbacil Bulldozer, a ne kuže da su ta vremena odavno prošla, AMD nije propal, a nVidia i ARM nisu mali i nebitni igrači.

I šećer na kraju - Apple će se vratiti Intelu kad vide koliko je Intel bolji od svih u proizvodnji ultrašpranih mobilnih rješenja.