Koje napajanje kupiti te preporuka kvalitetnih napajanja dostupnih u HR (1.post)

[bambi56x]

Može preporuka OK napajanja za G1840, 8 GB i SSD?

Gledam po web-shopovima, izgleda da je gotovo vrijeme kad se neko dobro napajanje moglo nabavit za 200 kn...

Budžet do 450+-10%, po ostalim komponentama očito što jeftinije gledam. Ajmo reć, uz neku kvalitetu, je bitna i tišina.

Čitam review-ove 2 dana i sve me strah uzet i evgu i fortrona i chieftec. Najbolje ništa ne kupit.

[Smartic]

beQuiet System Power 7 350W
Super Flower FX Bronze 350W
Fortron Hexa+ 400W

Poredani po kvaliteti...

[darkydark]

Ja u takve uredske konfe trpam bequiet 300w, cak i sa 750ti jedva da vent radi :-)

[Eladio]

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Tier One
The highest quality and most stable Power Supply Units available. Protected by industrial grade protection circuitry and can output wattage at a rated maximum temperature of 50°C or below. These units are also Haswell certified, meaning they can cope with the C6 and C7 sleep states of 0.05Amps without triggering the under-current protection switch. May even go over labelled wattage and still work until it safely shuts down.


Antec High Current Pro Platinum Delta Electronics

Be Quiet
Dark Power Pro P10 / 850w FSP (550w - 750w) / Seasonic (850w - 1200w)
Dark Power Pro P11 850w FSP

Corsair
AX / AXi series 760w - 1200w Seasonic (AX) / Flextronics (AXi)
AX1500i Flextronics
HXi Channel Well Technology
RMi Channel Well Technology
RM1000x Channel Well Technology

Cooler Master V series / V series 1200w Seasonic

EVGA
SuperNova G2 / P2 / T2 Super Flower
Supernova GS Seasonic
Supernova PS Seasonic

Enermax DigiFanless 500w Channel Well Technology

Firepower Silencer MK3 1200w Super Flower
FSP Aurum PT FSP
LEPA G1600 Enermax

Seasonic
Platinum series Seasonic
Snow Silent 1050w Seasonic
X series / X series XM2 Seasonic

Silverstone Nightjar Platinum 520w Seasonic

Super Flower
Leadex Gold / Platinum / Titanium Super Flower
Golden King Super Flower
Golden Silent / 430w Super Flower

XFX
Pro series Black edition Seasonic
Pro series Black edition Limited Edition 1000w Seasonic
Pro series XXX / Semi-Modular Seasonic
XTS Fanless Seasonic

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Tier Two
As above, just slightly lower quality. Still safe to use and are all stable for any PC of today's standards, including Haswell C Stepping certification. Recommended for those on a fairly limited budget.

Andyson
Platinum-R 850 / 1200 Andyson
Titanium N 700w Andyson

Antec
EDGE Seasonic
Earthwatts Delta Electronics/ Earthwatts Platinum FSP
High Current Gamer Delta Electronics (Non-Modular) / Seasonic (Semi-Modular)
Truepower Classic Seasonic (Essentially a Non-Modular version of the EDGE series)

Azza Platinum Super Flower
Be Quiet Straight Power 10 FSP
Cooler Master VS Series Enhance
Corsair RM 850w Channel Well Technology
Cyonic AU-550X / 650X Seasonic
Enermax Platimax Enermax
EVGA Supernova B2 Super Flower

Firepower
Silencer MK III 400 500 600 / 750 850 Super Flower
ZX Great Wall

Fractal Design Edison M Seasonic
High Power / Sirfa Astro GD Sirfa

Rosewill
Capstone series Super Flower
Lightning series Super Flower
Quark 1000w Enhance
Silent Night 500 Watts Super Flower
Tachyon series Super Flower

Seasonic
G series / G series V2 Seasonic
M12-II EVO (fully modular) Seasonic
S12G (Think of 2011 - 2013 Seasonic G series) Seasonic
S12-II Seasonic

SilentumPC Supremo M1 Gold 550w Sirfa

Silverpower
SP 460w Fully Modular Seasonic
SP Semi-modular Seasonic

Silverstone
Strider Gold Evolution Enhance
Strider Plus 750w 850w 1000w 600w Enhance
SFX-G / SFX-LG SX-G = Enhance / SFX-LG = High Power / Sirfa

Super Flower Golden Green / Modular / HX series Super Flower
Sentey Golden Steel Power 850 Watts Super Flower

Thermaltake
Toughpower Gold 850M Enhance
Toughpower Grand 1200F High Power / Sirfa
Toughpower Grand Platinum 850w 1200w Enhance
Toughpower DPS Gold Channel Well Technology

XFX
TS 430w / 550w-SEW Seasonic
XTR series Seasonic

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Tier Three

Some Haswell compatible, some not (maybe unconfirmed). Still safe to use and stable, just lower quality components. Not really ideal in serious overclocking or super-high load situations, such as a Bitcoin mining rig or a high end gaming system.


Antec VP / VP w/P or F suffix Delta Electronics

Be Quiet
Power zone series 650 850 750 1000 FSP
Pure Power / Pure Power CM HEC Compucase
Straight power E9 FSP

Cooler Master
G Modular Channel Well Technology
GX II Enhance
Silent pro M2 / Gold / Platinum Enhance

Corsair
CS Great Wall
RM Channel Well Technology (450w - 650w, 1000w) / Chicony (750w)

Deepcool Quanta 750w 1000w 1200w Channel Well Technology

Enermax
naXn ADV 650 Watts Enermax
Revolution X't series Enermax
Triathlor / Triathlor FC series Enermax

EVGA
430W / 500W HEC Compucase
500B / 600B HEC Compucase
NEXG FSP

Firepower
Fatal1ty 2012 1000w Gold Channel Well technology
ZT series Sirfa

FSP
Aurum 92+ FSP
Aurum Gold FSP
Aurum S FSP
Aurum Xilencer FSP

Fractal Design
Integra M series High Power / Sirfa
Newton R3 Series ATNG

InWin
Commander III InWin / Powerman
GreenMe series InWin / Powerman

Kingwin Powerforce 850w High Power / Sirfa

LEPA
G500 Enermax
Lepa G900 Enermax

NZXT Hale 90 V2 FSP

Rosewill
Fortress Series ATNG
Hercules 1600 Watts High Power / Sirfa
Hive / Hive S series High Power / Sirfa
Photon 750w High Power / Sirfa

Silverstone
Strider Essential 400w 500w 600w High Power / Sirfa
ST300F / ST450F FSP
Strider Gold S 750W v2 High power / Sirfa

Thermaltake
London 550w Channel Well Technology
Toughpower1200M 1350M 1500M Channel Well Technology
Toughpower Gold 1200w Enhance
Toughpower XT 775M Channel Well Technology
Toughpower XT Gold series (Really confusing name, since they are rated Platinum) Channel Well Technology
Toughpower XT Platinum 1275w (Please don't confuse this one with the XT Gold line) Channel Well Technology

XigmatekMaverick S 500w Andyson
Xilence Performance A series HEC Compucase

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Tier Four

Built down to a low price. Not exactly the most stable units ever created. Very basic safety circuitry or even thin gauge wiring used. Not for gaming rigs or overclocking systems of any kind. Avoid unless your budget dictates your choice.

Aerocool
GT Series 500s 700s 1050s HEC Compucase / Andyson (1050S model only)
Integrator 600w HEC Compucase
Strike-X series 800w 1100w Andyson
Templarius Imperator series Channel Well Technology ( 550W, 650W) / Andyson (750W - 1150W)

Cooler Master Elite II 550w (technically a 500w unit, maybe a typo from design department) Unknown OEM. Possibly HEC Compucase

Corsair
CX / CXM Channel Well Technology
VS Channel Well Technology

EVGA NEXB FSP
Firepower Fatal1ty 2013 High Power / Sirfa
FSP Raider series FSP
InWin Glacier ATNG

LEPA
MaxBron B1000M Yuelin
MX-F1 series (Trigger-happy Overcurrent protection and very poor quality capacitors) Channel Well Technology

NZXT
Hale82N 650w FSP
Hale82 V2 700w High Power / Sirfa

Raidmax Cobrapower 500w (Not to be confused with Akasa's Cobra series) Andyson
SilentumPC Vero M1 600w Sama / Guangzhou AOJIE
Thermaltake Smart / Smart M Channel Well Technology (M Suffix, 550P, 650P, 750P) / HEC Compucase (430P, 530P, 630P, 730P) / High Power (1000M, 1200M)

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Tier Five
Avoid IMMEDIATELY. These units are highly unsafe to use. No such protections added, very thin gauge wiring used, false advertising and too much to list. Reference to a higher tiered unit for a better, money saving and a much safer unit. For your safety's sake, please don't order or pick one up for use in your system. These units are a potential fire hazard and could even kill you, let alone your system.


A-TOP technology
Apevia
Apex (SUPERCASE/ALLIED)
Artic / Ace (They're the same company)
Aspire (Turbocase)
ATADC
ATRIX
Broadway Com Corp
CIT
Coolmax
Deer
Diablotek
Dynapower
Dynex
Eagletech
Enlight
Evo labs
EZ-cool
Foxconn
G7
HEC / Compucase Orion
HEDY (should be WAAAYYY lower down than these units. They're that bad)
iBall
iStar computer co.
Jeantec
JPac
Just PC
Linkworld electronics
Logisys computer
Macron
MSi (just stick to their GPUs and motherboards)
NMEDIAPC
Norwood Micro/ CompUSA
Okia
Powercool
Powmax
Pulsepower
Q-tec
Rocketfish
SFC
Sharkoon
Shuttle
Skyhawk
Startech
Storm
Sumvision
Tesla
Ultra

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Currently un-tiered - Announced PSUs and / or currently awaiting to be reviewed by professionals.

AcBel Polytech iPower 90 / M90 AcBel Polytech

Aerocool
AP / AP Pro series Andyson
CS Series (Not to be confused with Corsair's CS Series) Channel Well Technology
Integrator MOD XT HEC Compucase
Rave series Andyson
XPredator HEC Compucase

Akasa
Venom Power 2015
Viper Power

Antec
Earthwatts 2015 450 550 650 Delta Electronics/ 450 550 650
Digital Titanium 1250w Delta Electronics
EDGE II Seasonic
High Current Platinum GRID Delta Electronics
Neo Eco 2015 Channel Well Technology
VPF Bronze Delta Electronics

Chieftech
A Series High power / Sirfa
A90 Series Channel Well Technology
B Series Channel Well Technology
C Series Channel Well Technology
D Series High power / Sirfa
E Series Channel Well Technology
M Series High power / Sirfa
S Series Channel Well Technology

Club3d CSP Gold 750 / 850w Andyson

Cooler Master
B series v2 Channel Well Technology
Digital 1200w Titanium efficiency
GX 2015 Channel Well Technology
Master Power

Corsair SF600

Cougar
GX V3 series HEC Compucase
GXD series HEC Compucase
A series V3 HEC Compucase

Cryorig Pi series
Deepcool Aurora Channel Well Technology

Enermax
Digityan Channel Well Technology
MaxPro Channel Well Technology
Platimax DS series Channel Well Technology
Revolution FM series Channel Well Technology

EVGA
600 White HEC Compucase
700 Bronze HEC Compucase

FSP
Hydro G
Beserker

G.SkillRipjaws series 850w 1000w 850w 1000w
High Power / Sirfa Overclocking EVO High power / Sirfa

In Win
Serenity series In Win / Powerman
IP-P IQ / IP-P HF TFX series In Win / Powerman
IP-P-Series GQ / GF TFX In Win / Powerman
IP-S GQ seriesIn Win / Powerman

LC Power Office Series Bronze

LEPA
MaxGold 1000w
MaxPlatinum series
N series

NOX
Hummer Bronze
Sense 500w

Raidmax
AP Series
RX
Vampire series
Monster series Andyson
AZ Series Andyson

Rosewill
ARC series ATNG
Glacier series Andyson
Quark series ATNG
Tokamak series Enhance Electronics
Valens series ATNG

Seasonic
ECO 430w Seasonic
Lighting Cube series Seasonic
M12-II EVO 2015 Seasonic
Titanium series Seasonic
S12-II 2015 Seasonic

Seventeam PAP series Seventeam
SilentMaxx Eco-Silent Pro Super Flower

Silverstone
Strider Essential 400w 500w Enhance
Strider Platinum 550w - 750w High Power / Sirfa 850w - 1200w Enhance
Strider Titanium High Power / Sirfa
SX-700
Zeus 2015

Thermaltake
Tough power DPS Gold 2015 Channel Well Technology
Tough power DPS Platinum
Tough power Gold 1000M 1500M Enhance
Tough power Grand 1050F 1200F High power / Sirfa
Tough power Platinum 650w 750w 1050w Enhance
Tough power Titanium 1500w Channel Well Technology
Tough power XT Gold 1275M (Yes, it is gold, for a Platinum rated line) Channel Well Technology
TR2 Bronze series
TR2 RX Gold Yuelin
TR2 Gold series High Power / Sirfa

Thortech Platinum Plus High Power / Sirfa
Ultra X4 2015 High Power / Sirfa
Vantec Platinum Enhance
XFXPro V2 450w 550w Seasonic

Xigmatek
Maverick Andyson
Tauro M Andyson

Xilence Performance C

Zalman
EBT High Power / Sirfa
GVM series

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Again, please suggest any improvements to this tiered list. I will do the best I can to improve it and keep it up to date.

[tOta]

Mislim da je bila "stara" lista negdje, ali ovu novu bi trebalo ubaciti u prvi post.

Sad mogu mirno spavati, napajanje mi je u tier 1.

[Drvoje]

Autor tOta

Sad mogu mirno spavati, napajanje mi je u tier 1.

Supercvijetak nije ni bio upitan, možeš ga slobodno preporučivat

Oko XFX-a bi se pak dalo raspravit, s obzirom na coil whine

[Eladio]

Autor tOta

Mislim da je bila "stara" lista negdje, ali ovu novu bi trebalo ubaciti u prvi post.

Sad mogu mirno spavati, napajanje mi je u tier 1.

po ovome sto vidim i kako su oni i objasnili je sasvim ok imat i tier3

ja sam usao u tier 2

[ssarik]

Realno, i Tier 4 je sasvim ok. Raidera su tamo ubacili, a Raider uopće nije loše napajanje.

I moj Antečić je upao u Tier 2.

[emilblomsky]

Autor ssarik

Realno, i Tier 4 je sasvim ok. Raidera su tamo ubacili, a Raider uopće nije loše napajanje.

I moj Antečić je upao u Tier 2.

A i moje u tier 2.
E ,sad sam sretan kaj sam ga uzeo.
Hvala na preporuci ssarik! Bio si u pravu kad si rekao da je premium!
Mada mi je ta lista malo klimava kad je Cors rm 450,rm 650 u tier 3?

[danijel_b]

Jer originalni RM nije bio nešto. Zato je Corsair u međuvremenu ispravio šta nije bilo dovoljno dobro i izbacio RMi i RMx.
Što se tiče napajanja, uvijek sam se vodio onim šta jonnyguru kaže, jednostavno su mu najbolji reviewi.

[Srdan]

A đe je HX bez "i"?

[filip989]

Meni je Fractal Integra M 550 za sad odlicno, htio sam uzeti FSP Ryder ali nisu ga u Uziju dobili na vrijeme, pa mi je Hrvoje preporucio taj Fractal. Nemam coil whine niti na GTX 970, jedino sta iz kompa cujem je bocni vent od kucista, ostalo milina tiho. Jedini minus out of the box mi je zeru prekratak PCIe kabel i malo su kablovi opcenito tvrdi. Jedva sam ga nastimao da mi dodje do graficke, a da ne dira heatpipe.

[ssarik]

Autor emilblomsky

A i moje u tier 2.
E ,sad sam sretan kaj sam ga uzeo.
Hvala na preporuci ssarik! Bio si u pravu kad si rekao da je premium!
Mada mi je ta lista malo klimava kad je Cors rm 450,rm 650 u tier 3?

Raider 650W si mogao ići jedino u slučaju ako misliš uzimati jaku Radeonku kasnije pa ti treba više Watta.

Seasonic, Antec, Superflower, XFX, EVGA - to se najviše treba gledati.

Autor filip989

Meni je Fractal Integra M 550 za sad odlicno, htio sam uzeti FSP Ryder ali nisu ga u Uziju dobili na vrijeme, pa mi je Hrvoje preporucio taj Fractal. Nemam coil whine niti na GTX 970, jedino sta iz kompa cujem je bocni vent od kucista, ostalo milina tiho. Jedini minus out of the box mi je zeru prekratak PCIe kabel i malo su kablovi opcenito tvrdi. Jedva sam ga nastimao da mi dodje do graficke, a da ne dira heatpipe.

Dobra je Integra, polumodularno bronze napajanje s flat kablovima, samo je možda minus te 3 godine garancije. Jedno vrijeme sam i ja razmišljao o njemu dok nisam vidio Antec TPC-a.

[DraŽ]

Nakon 7 godina i nešto sitno mi je danas krepao Corsair TX 650 (v1 verzija od Seasonica), pa mi treba novo napajanje.

Sada ne bih nešto jako uzimao jer ovu konfu neću više nadograđivat, već ću za godinu-dve napraviti remont.

Mislim da bi kvalitetnije 450W napajanje za overclockani i7 2600k i tvornički overclockanu GTX 960, 4 hard diska i 7 ventilatora na kućištu bilo dosta.

Uvijeti su:
- Dovoljno dugački 8 pinski i 24 pinski kabl (zbog tower kućišta i jer kablovi idu ispod matične, na TX650W su bili taman, da su bili malo kraći, ne bi valjalo)
- Da je tiho i da nema coil whine! TX 650 u ovih 7 godina nisam ni čuo osim kada sam jednom upalio furmark sa HD6850 crossfire i sa overclockanim Phenomom II x6 što povuče ~600W iz utičnice.
- Podrška za Haswell/Skylake je plus, ali ne toliko važna jer vjerovatno to napajanje neće ići u buduću konfiguraciju

EDIT:
Cijena, ne preko 500-600kn

[Smartic]

Za buduću kantu:

http://www.adm.hr/product_info.php?c...ducts_id=17657 -10 god. garancije
ili:
http://www.centro.hr/corsair-psu-ent...u-version.aspx - 7 god. garancije

Inače je i ovo dovoljno:

http://www.nabava.net/search.php?tp=0&q=TR2+Gold+500W

Ja bih svakako uzeo EVGA G2 ako možeš jer neće još dugo biti po toj cijeni, kod nas je prosječna cijena skoro 1200kn za to napajanje.

[Gabre]

Autor DraŽ

Nakon 7 godina i nešto sitno mi je danas krepao Corsair TX 650 (v1 verzija od Seasonica), pa mi treba novo napajanje.

Sada ne bih nešto jako uzimao jer ovu konfu neću više nadograđivat, već ću za godinu-dve napraviti remont.

Mislim da bi kvalitetnije 450W napajanje za overclockani i7 2600k i tvornički overclockanu GTX 960, 4 hard diska i 7 ventilatora na kućištu bilo dosta.

Uvijeti su:
- Dovoljno dugački 8 pinski i 24 pinski kabl (zbog tower kućišta i jer kablovi idu ispod matične, na TX650W su bili taman, da su bili malo kraći, ne bi valjalo)
- Da je tiho i da nema coil whine! TX 650 u ovih 7 godina nisam ni čuo osim kada sam jednom upalio furmark sa HD6850 crossfire i sa overclockanim Phenomom II x6 što povuče ~600W iz utičnice.
- Podrška za Haswell/Skylake je plus, ali ne toliko važna jer vjerovatno to napajanje neće ići u buduću konfiguraciju

Autor Smartic

Za buduću kantu:

http://www.adm.hr/product_info.php?c...ducts_id=17657 -10 god. garancije
ili:
http://www.centro.hr/corsair-psu-ent...u-version.aspx - 7 god. garancije

Inače je i ovo dovoljno:

http://www.nabava.net/search.php?tp=0&q=TR2+Gold+500W

Ja bih svakako uzeo EVGA G2 ako možeš jer neće još dugo biti po toj cijeni, kod nas je prosječna cijena skoro 1200kn za to napajanje.

meni treba sto tise napajanje, vrti i5 4590, i R9 270X, i par diskova, i ssd
komp uglavnom vrti bluray filmove, i kodi, i tad MORA biti tih, a kad i ako upalim koju igru onda moze zujat kako hoce

nisam previse u toku s napajanjima, kakva su ta EVGA napajanja, sto je to, nikad cuo za njih prije?

budget sto manji to bolje, nemam namjeru trosit 200-300$ na napajanje.

edit:

evo, mislim da cu ovo uzeti danas: http://www.canadacomputers.com/produ...item_id=069556

i kuciste http://www.canadacomputers.com/produ...item_id=076257

[ssarik]

To napajanje je za tebe overkill, ali da je vrhunsko - jest.

[Gabre]

a znam, ali daj mi nadji nesto jeftinije, a da je tiho i da ima dugacke kablove, jer kad uzmem R5, ovo napajanje sto sada imam je patnja isusova, kratki kablovi, milion adaptera za sate i pcie, pa se zelim toga rijesiti i sloziti kako treba.

u biti tisina i duzina kablova mi je presudno, briga me za watte i gluposti, trenutno i ovaj antec 450w sto imam odradjiva sve. samo jednostavno ga ne mogu stavit u novi case jer kablovi nisu dosta dugacki i nema ih dosta.

[Drvoje]

Autor ssarik

To napajanje je za tebe overkill, ali da je vrhunsko - jest.

Ljubomorni smo, njemu je 100$ vjerojatno par dana rada, a nas em oderu cijenom, em je to po prosječnoj našoj plaći tjedan/7 dana delanja (trenutno je 1$=7kn)

Nego Gabre da to nisu cijene u CAD valuti?
(trenutno je 1CAD=5kn)

[Gabre]

U kanadskoj, da, 5.5kn, plus 13% porez na to

[Drvoje]

Fijuuuu, ja vidija znak $ na tvojim linkovima pa računam garant USD valuta, šta čekaš - troši, ionako dolazi Božić

[Gabre]

vec sma toliko spickao novaca na dedicated kucno kino da mi je muka, i jos nisam gotov, sad ove sitne stvari me pojedose, barem sam odustao od android box, vec cu koristiti komp za kodi, pa mozda naknadno piknem neki android kad dobiju podrsku za dts hdma.

[Romul]

Izvrsno napajanje si odabrao, mozda si mogao ako je cijena problem i na malo slabije 650 W isto EVGA G2

[Gabre]

em ga ne mogu nac nigdje, i ono sto sam nasao je skuplje od ovog 750W, ovo je sad neki popusti pa mislim da cu pregrist govno i uzet, da jednom u zivotu imam posteno kuciste i napajanje

[Smartic]

Nećeš morati mijenjati napajanje... skoro ikad, osim ako ideš na 3 grafičke

10 god. garancije to govori između ostalog

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php...Story&reid=380

[Gabre]

kakvi su thermaltake TR2 500 ili 600W? menije thermaltake u sjecanju kao bucan proizvodjac, kakva su im napajanja?

[Smartic]

Pa ako se kupuje u Kanadi, ima sigurno boljih izbora, to je u HR best-buy 80+ Gold napajanje(postoji i TR2 Bronze serija, ali u tvojem slučaju nije vrijedna spomena).

TT TR2 Gold je nešto slično FSR Aurumu S s malo lošijom regulacijom napona(još uvijek vrlo dobrom) i malo manje kvalitetnim sleeve-bearing ventilatorom.

S tvojom konfom koja teško potroši i 300W u loadu ne bi trebalo biti glasno.
Ono EVGA G2 bi ti radilo fanless.

[Romul]

Da tako sam i ja uzeo na popustu svoje i isto je prejako za moju konfiguraciju bilo i jos uvijek jest ali pozitivna strana je da je gotovo stalno u fanless modu stim sam racunao

Uzmi tog EVGA G2 po toj cijeni i bit ce to napajanje i za buduce konfiguracije sigurno dobro.

[Sphere]

Pošteno napajanje i kučište su najdugotrajnije komponente, to jednom kad kvalitetno iskeširaš traje 10 godina.

[sepiroth6]

Ja sam ponosni vlasnik EVGA G2 750W,i nimalo ne žalim novaca utrošenih na vrhunsko napajanje.Dvoumio sam se izmedju Fractal Edisona M650W i EVGA G2,odnosno Superflowera i Seasonica.Do sad sam koristio prepakirane Seasonice(uvijek bez greške),ali brutalne recenzije su me zaintrigirale za EVGA napajanja A 10 godišnje jamstvo i 100 posto japanski kondenzatori su zaključili deal.Kvaliteta izrade je vrhunska i vidi se na svemu.