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Staro 27.01.2025., 18:25   #1
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kanta se povremeno smrzava
Primijetio sam da se racunalo pocelo povremeno smrzavati. Radi normalno, pa je nekoliko sekundi sve sledjeno, onda nastavi normalno pa se nakon par minuta opet smrzne na nekoliko sekundi i tako unedogled. Upalim drugo racunalo koje je stajalo sa strane jer sam ga koristio povremeno, isto.

Kabeli i baterija promijenjeni. Os ponovno instaliram i to se dogadja tokom instalacije. Stavim drugo napajanje. Dan-dva je u redu i onda ispocetka. Mijenjam plocu i memoriju. Memorija prolazi testove. Par dana je u redu i onda ispocetka. Stavim trece napajanje, probam s trecom maticnom i drugim ram plocicama, isto.

Ploce su asus m5a78 (l-m i l-m le), fx6300, napajanja seasonic, corsair i thermaltake, sustavi 7 i xp, nije nista klokano, nema konflikta u programima. Primijetio sam da se isto dogadja i kada nisu prikljuceni diskovi, znaci dok pregledavam bios, povremeno se sve zaustavi na par sekundi. Bios nije flashan. Kada sam kupio prije desetak godina, odonda je radilo normalno do sad.

Nije valjda da je sve istovremeno otislo u k...c?!
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Staro 27.01.2025., 18:29   #2
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Si probao na nekoj drugoj utičnici? S obzirom na sve isprobane kombinacije komponenti, reklo bi se da teško da toliko komponente sve imaju isti problem. Pa se zato postavlja pitanje, što im je zajedničko. Letva, utičnica...
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 27.01.2025., 19:03   #3
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Letva, utičnica...

Tzv. turski produžni, neprijatelj No1 stabilnog rada računara i osiguravajućih društava.
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Staro 27.01.2025., 20:20   #4
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Tzv. turski produžni, neprijatelj No1 stabilnog rada računara i osiguravajućih društava.



hm tako bi onda bilo u 90% kućanstava..pa i kod mene...
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Staro 27.01.2025., 20:39   #5
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Si probao na nekoj drugoj utičnici? S obzirom na sve isprobane kombinacije komponenti, reklo bi se da teško da toliko komponente sve imaju isti problem. Pa se zato postavlja pitanje, što im je zajedničko. Letva, utičnica...
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Tzv. turski produžni, neprijatelj No1 stabilnog rada računara i osiguravajućih društava.
Zaboravio sam napisati da sam odmah probao i to u drugoj sobi, ali da je bilo isto. Krenuo sam sada probati s trecom letvom, pa si nesto razmisljam. Hm... idem probati bez letve, samo produzni kabel. Radi. Vratim "neispravno" napajanje. Radi. Opsujem...

Pricekat cu jos par dana, pa javim jel problem bio u tome.
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Staro 27.01.2025., 21:19   #6
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Opsuj još koji put slobodno. Čuo sam i za slučajeve gdje radi u jednoj a ne radi u drugoj prostoriji. Kakve su se elektro instalacije radile (i ponekad još uvijek rade) nije niti čudno.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Staro 27.01.2025., 22:49   #7
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Pa kupujte ta smetja od produžnih ....
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Staro 28.01.2025., 10:54   #8
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Meni se APC pokazal kao dobar produžni a nije tak skup, onaj Essentials je sasvim fajn.

Isto imal gremline s nekim kompovima uglavnom starije garde, više ni bilo problema. Konkretno ovaj model imam za kompove i server doma, ali vidim da se ne proizvodi više.

EDIT: A ok, i kuća novije gradnje s zapravo dobrim uzemljenjem isto pomogne Prije smo bili u stanu s nulovanim štekerima

EDIT2: A u pm, APC se skroz povukel sa tržišta. Koja je alternativa APC-u?
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Staro 28.01.2025., 16:03   #9
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Baš šteta šta se APC povukao iz surge protect đira .... treba nabaviti dok još ima proizvedenih i u prodaji.
Ima jedan važan detalj a to skoro ni jedan drugi proizvođač nije "davao",
a to je "Pravilo za zaštitu (priključene) opreme", konkretno za PM8-GR sa gornjeg linka € 50.000 !

Šta se produžnih tiče, nekadašnji Elektrokontakt je radio dobre,
jedino su im znali crknuti prekidači sa tinjalicom, pogotovo ako su se spajali (pre)jaki potrošači.

Vjerojatno jedini domaći proizvođač koji radi uredno je Commel.
Oni "produžne" zovu "Prenosive utičnice" > https://b2b.commel.hr/product/list/009
a baš gledam imaju i seriju sa Prenaponskom zaštitom > https://b2b.commel.hr/product/list/008

Možda je netko voljan napraviti inverzni inženjering neke od APC - ovih ....
ako se dobro sjećam, cijela mudrost je par MOV - ova + malo filtracije smetja iz mreže.
Samo filtracija (bez prenaponske zaštite) se složi sa ovakvim gotovim C13 utičnicama + ostala skalamerija:
https://www.acgroup.megashop.hr/prod...VAC-6-A-08-MH-
https://www.nabava.net/nekategorizir...jena-465160241
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nikki commel uzima stvari iz kine
elektrokontakt je bio nešto drugo


i dalje ne znamo dal je taj šrotex kabel razlog smrzavanja...u četvrt stoljeća koliko imam PC smrzavanje je bio razlg unutarnjek kvara od komponenri
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quazar, jebiga frende, pa jesi li vidio koliko komponenti je staromodni probao, i sve daju isti rezultat? Pa kolika je vjerojatno da ima više komada koji imaju takve kvarove da sve skupa rezultira uvijek istim problemom? Moguće je i to, ali nije vjerojatno.
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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nikki commel uzima stvari iz kine
E fino, sve ošlo u **beep**
Ako negdje naletite na "golu" APC prenaponsku zaštitu PM1WB-GR
https://www.mikronis.hr/Proizvod/ups...pm1w-gr-/38440

pa iza može "pristojni produžni".


APC klasika PM5-GR > https://www.mikronis.hr/Proizvod/ups...n-pm5-gr-/3959
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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the real owners, the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table to figure out how badly they’re getting f*cked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f*cking years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you, sooner or later, 'cause they own this f*cking place. It's a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. And by the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks. The game is rigged, and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people -- white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on -- good honest hard-working people continue -- these are people of modest means -- continue to elect these rich c*cksuckers who don’t give a f*ck about them. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don’t give a f*ck about you. They don't care about you at all -- at all -- at all. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on; the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth: it's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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i dalje ne znamo dal je taj šrotex kabel razlog smrzavanja...
Da. To je razlog smrzavanja. (facepalm)
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Pa zar nema svako napajanje LC filter na ulazu?
Ovo s šrot razvodnom letvom ne kužim uopće.
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Staro 29.01.2025., 09:20   #16
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Nema logike, al tako je, jednoć izgubio doslovce pol dana i gro živaca troubleshootajuć jedan komp koji se smzavao u jednoj kući a u drugoj nije.
Sve zato što mi koncept "turskog razvodnog" nije bio poznat.
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Staro 29.01.2025., 16:16   #17
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Ovo s šrot razvodnom letvom ne kužim uopće.
Koncept "turskog razvodnog", Poljskog, Kineskog je zapravo vrlo jednostavan:
- unutra žičice koje nisu dovoljne ni za lampice od bora
- u njima bakra valjda u mikronima
- spojevi izvedeni tako da je ta nazovi žica rukom zamotana na one "kontakt šine"
- vjerojatno još koji biser

Koga interesira evo još materijala o surge protect sklopovima:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/news/s...ms-and-saints/
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/ho...c-mains-surge/
https://secondlifestorage.com/index....otector.12661/
https://www.tomshardware.com/picture...eardown-2.html
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Jedan sam rastavio, tj. rastrgao. Da, unutra djeluje preslabo i za lampice na boru.

Sjetio sam se da sam u trgovini el. dijelova jos dok su bile kune kupio jako skupu letvu bez kabela. Kostala je kao desetak znj s kabelima. Nasao sam ju u garazi kako tuzno ceka godota da ju slozi, stavio kratki komad 3x1.5 sto je ostao ako nekad zatreba i ekvin utikac.

A JE TO!!!
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Sad nam samo fali Nikky da potvrdi jel taj "E" logo od pokojnog Elektrokontakta...
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