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Bubba · 01.06.2008., 01:20

Hello Bruno,

There has been an issue found with the chipset this motherboard, and all motherboards using the 3210/3000 chipset. The PCI-e slots connected to the chipset will only run non graphics solutions at full speed. When you use a video card on the chipset it will clock down to x1. Intel did this so that you are forced to buy a workstation chipset for graphics cards. Since this is a server chipset and the motherboard has onboard video, the design was not for video applications. We have now been instructed to make the BIOS show both slots at x1 speed.

Andrew

Evo i moj odgovor, zivo me zanima sto ce mi reci na ovo:

Greetings,

I can only say that this was expectable, knowing Intel and their polices. However, although Intel suggests it does not support PCI Express graphics (qoute from Intel's i3210 datasheet, page 22; "The 3200/3210 MCHs do not support PCI Express graphics"), it still posses PCI Express graphics signaling as well as the manual clearly claims that there is a "PCI Express graphics attach" present on the board, that is obviously used for that very same graphics that they are attempting to diminish. No degradation in bandwidth or anything similar is mentioned in any form of whatsoever. Is there anything intrinsic in PCI Express graphics that would technically prevent them from giving full bandwidth? According to "PCI Express Base Specification, Revision 1.1" that they provide as a reference point of their PCI Express implementation - not really. In other words - quite dirty game from Intel...

So, to get it straight - as much as I actually meant to help and reported a "bug" (more like a feature, it seems, after all), it will result that the next revision of BIOS will actually make things even worse - lowering both PCI Express lines to 1x, opposing to the status quo that had (at least) one PCI Express slot fully functional? So, will this be applied retrogradely to all previous BIOS versions? Is this even going to be mentioned as a new "feature" of next BIOS version? Naturally, there was absolutely no harm done by you (Tyan) however Intel has forced vendors to break not so splendid news to their buyers who have already bought Intel based products without knowing this fact. It is, though, quite special situation (two discrete graphic cards on, in terms of market nomenclature, "server board), but still...

In any case, thank you once again for your swift and straightforward reactions.

Regards,

Bruno

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Bubba E Pluribus UNIX Moj komp Datum registracije: Oct 2002 Lokacija: M82 Postovi: 6,800	...ostani djubre do kraja! Hello Bruno, There has been an issue found with the chipset this motherboard, and all motherboards using the 3210/3000 chipset. The PCI-e slots connected to the chipset will only run non graphics solutions at full speed. When you use a video card on the chipset it will clock down to x1. Intel did this so that you are forced to buy a workstation chipset for graphics cards. Since this is a server chipset and the motherboard has onboard video, the design was not for video applications. We have now been instructed to make the BIOS show both slots at x1 speed. Andrew Evo i moj odgovor, zivo me zanima sto ce mi reci na ovo: Greetings, I can only say that this was expectable, knowing Intel and their polices. However, although Intel suggests it does not support PCI Express graphics (qoute from Intel's i3210 datasheet, page 22; "The 3200/3210 MCHs do not support PCI Express graphics"), it still posses PCI Express graphics signaling as well as the manual clearly claims that there is a "PCI Express graphics attach" present on the board, that is obviously used for that very same graphics that they are attempting to diminish. No degradation in bandwidth or anything similar is mentioned in any form of whatsoever. Is there anything intrinsic in PCI Express graphics that would technically prevent them from giving full bandwidth? According to "PCI Express Base Specification, Revision 1.1" that they provide as a reference point of their PCI Express implementation - not really. In other words - quite dirty game from Intel... So, to get it straight - as much as I actually meant to help and reported a "bug" (more like a feature, it seems, after all), it will result that the next revision of BIOS will actually make things even worse - lowering both PCI Express lines to 1x, opposing to the status quo that had (at least) one PCI Express slot fully functional? So, will this be applied retrogradely to all previous BIOS versions? Is this even going to be mentioned as a new "feature" of next BIOS version? Naturally, there was absolutely no harm done by you (Tyan) however Intel has forced vendors to break not so splendid news to their buyers who have already bought Intel based products without knowing this fact. It is, though, quite special situation (two discrete graphic cards on, in terms of market nomenclature, "server board), but still... In any case, thank you once again for your swift and straightforward reactions. Regards, Bruno __________________ https://2.71828182845904523536028747...966967627.com/ Programer Rok od dva mjeseca u stvari znači četiri, ali nikako ispod šest. Zadnje izmijenjeno od: Bubba. 01.06.2008. u 01:46.