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Mr.Black

27.01.2017. 09:28

Win8 recovery particija - novi disk

Pozz, znači radi se o laptopu Lenovo G50-30 koji je kupljen sa Win 8 onim instalacijskim particijama, problem je taj da je orginalni disk riknul, ne može mu se pristupiti. Sad me zanima, nakon ugradnje novog diska, dal se može po nekom part numberu ili snidu laptopa, skinuti ta instalacijska particija, znači da i dalje su Win8 oriđiđi..?

Wolverine

27.01.2017. 10:10

Samo stavi novi disk i instaliraj OS. Aktivirati će se automatski.

Mr.Black

27.01.2017. 10:11

Citiraj:

Autor Wolverine (Post 3015592)

Samo stavi novi disk i instaliraj OS. Aktivirati će se automatski.

Znači nikako ne mogu tu instalacijsku particiju skinuti?

Wolverine

27.01.2017. 10:30

Ako te brine samo to da OS bude legalan tj aktiviran onda ti ne treba ništa drugo osim da na novi disk instaliraš ponovo isti OS. Key je zadržan na ploči i Windowsi će ga prepoznati.

Ukoiko baš hoćeš recovery particiju baci oko ovdje.

Mr.Black

27.01.2017. 10:39

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Autor Wolverine (Post 3015604)

Super, samo da pitam još, dal prolazi ako instaliram win 8.1? A naljepnica je win8..?

Wolverine

27.01.2017. 10:45

Proći će. Osobno sam na svom laptopu imao takav slučaj (stavio novi SSD), instalirao 8.1 i kasnije digao update na Win10.

Busola29

27.01.2017. 11:44

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Autor Wolverine (Post 3015604)

Baš me zanima ako znaš , u kakvom obliku i gdje je key zapisan na ploči? I ja znam da Windowsi zapišu se negdje , ali gdje , volio bih pregledati te podakte na ploči što se zapisuju (vjerovatno kriptirani...).

Nije ni čudo da su Rusi, Kinezi i slični paranoični...:D

driftwood

27.01.2017. 12:14

Zar nije da prilikom aktivacije se generira taj neki ključ i pošalje ga ćaći, te nakon reinstalacije tokom aktivacije povuče već generiran ključ i aktivira win?

zdravko_c

27.01.2017. 12:39

Laptopi sa origigi Win8, 8.1, i 10, imaju ključ zapisan u BIOS-u, i može se očitati sa AIDOM64, a što se tiče računala koja su sa 7-ce ili 8-ce nadograđena na Windows 10, njihov aktivacijski ID Windowsi nakon reinstalacije povlače sa MS-ovih servera i aktiviraju se.

Busola29

27.01.2017. 13:07

Veliko hvala Zdravko , uopće mi se ne sviđa to zapisivanje po BIOS-u ... Nisam nikada istraživao ovu temu , a vrlo je zanimljiva...

PS. što sa piratskim kopijama, znaš kako one odrađuju prevaru ili jednostavno ne zapišu ključ u BIOS? Ako ne zapišu u krajnjem slučaju Microsoft odmah zna da imaš piratsku verziju Windowsa na kompu...

zdravko_c

27.01.2017. 13:17

Ključ u BIOS upisuju proizvođači računala,i prva aktivacija računala se odrađuje u tvornici, za nešto detaljnije pogledati spoiler, a za piratske kopije nemam pojma.

How OA3.0 works:

The OEMs have two platform servers.
One is a OA3.0 key server and one a OA3.0 reporting server.

The OEMs have a master image of windows 8 that has a master key installed.
The purpose of this key is only one thing: To make w8 to be a pre-licensed version. (SLP channel)

The key is more like the old XP pre-licensed key. This key is NOT OEM specific, however, it is edition specific.
Anyway this key does not activate. It is only installed to determine the kind of licensing (SLP).
Those keys are generic.

Manufacturing process:

-The system is built. Manufacturing of complete systems.

-The system is brought online (online doesn't mean internet, just local network) and the OA3Tool is run (Either in WinPE or Full OS) and it requests a key from the key server, this generates a FULL MSDM table as output it contains the unique key for the particular system.

- A firmware specific tool is then run (could be in WinPE or DOS or whatever they wrote the flash tools for) which takes the MSDM table file and injects its key into the firmware, to NVRAM, ROMHOLE, or to wherever it is specified by the UEFI or BIOS.
The flash tool also checks to make sure that if a MSDM table does already exist, it fails.

The OEM can invalidate and delete a MSDM table with the tool, however, they have to report then this invalidation to M$ via the reporting server and then they can delete the MSDM table and over-write.
- The OS will be installed.
- Once that is complete and all testing is complete (no more hardware changes) then the OEMs can run the OA3Tool again.
This run of the OA3Tool generates the 128 bit hardware hash and reports that ALONG with the product key to the reporting server as CBR, the computer Build Report.
The tool has the ability to generate the hardware hash when there is NO network connectivity. This has been updated and wasn't possible before.
The reporting server then reports it (CBR) to M$ which sends an acknowledgement that it has received the Key+Hash. Once it has been received, then the CBR is removed from the PC.
If any hardware is changed except for external USB devices, and internal expansion cards (PCIe, PCI, SATA) then the OEM has to re-report to M$ a new hardware hash with the key or activation will fail.
Finally the OAtool is ran the last time again to lock the MSDM table to prevent any changes ever.

Then the OEMs ship the hardware to the customer.
The customer turns on the machine and goes through OOBE using the Master OA3 key which is valid for the key check but will not activate by itself.

Within 4 hours of OOBE finishing the system will automatically attempt to activate by seeing the OA3 Master Key, then reads the MSDM table for the key AND generates a NEW hardware hash and sends both to M$, the M$ servers then check to match up the hardware hash and key and if it matches (does not have to be an exact match, there is slop in there, it isn’t known what can be different) then the system is activated.

The essential requirements for OA3.0 are:

- The smBIOS UUID MUST be non-zero
- There has to be at least ONE MAC address in the system

If the above aren't there OA3 won't work and will fail.

The OEMIDs in the RSDT/XSDT tables don't matter at all. They did matter at older revisions of OA3, though (had to match those of the MSDMTable).

They no longer check those as part of OA3 only the MSDM table matters. There are no certificates or anything like that either.

OEM's pay for OS licenses based on number reported - number invalidated.

Mr.Black

28.01.2017. 11:21

Nije prošlo..

ThePornstar

28.01.2017. 11:53

Treba ti OEM verzija Windowsa. Ako si ISO skinuo standardno preko Microsofta, neće raditi.

Googlaj Windows 8/8.1 za OEM.

Pupo	28.01.2017. 11:59

Da, i recimo ako budeš zvao MS da ti pomognu, odfikarit će te, reći će ti da moraš zvati dobavljača, odnosno Lenovo da ti oni aktiviraju.

Forace

28.01.2017. 12:19

Ima i drugi način: mislim da možeš kontaktirati lenovo da ti pošalju recovery medije kad ih već nisi sam napravio ... mislim čak da se i danas mogu iz te particije napravit recovery mediji baš za ovakve slučajeve ....

Evo topic za drugi model ali slična situacija:
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-...1811714#M36064

ThePornstar

28.01.2017. 12:29

Kod nas se recovery mediji nabavljaju preko ovlaštenog servisa.

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