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AMD Ryzen "ZEN5" (9000 CPU series) Info thread

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AMD is planning to launch both the Ryzen 9000 desktop and Ryzen AI 300 notebook processors this Summer. Some of the first notebooks powered by the Ryzen AI 300 series should be announced by notebook OEMs as early as this week; while the Ryzen 9000 series desktop processors will be available to customers from July 31, 2024. The new Zen 5 microarchitecture builds on AMD's proven CPU core technology, and doesn't try anything fancy like its generational counterpart from Intel, the Lion Cove P-core used on Arrow Lake. Zen 5 still brings a double-digit percentage IPC gain over the previous generation, and introduces several efficiency improvements over Zen 4 thanks not just to its newer 4 nm process, but also a host of other innovations. AMD was able to increase clock speeds, and lower TDP across the desktop processor lineup, and still achieve good performance gains.

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AMD has also worked on the physical characteristics of the processor's dies' cooling performance, which see a 15% reduction in thermal resistance, which results in an impressive 7°C reduction in temperature at the same TDP. We asked them to clarify this, and they confirm that no changes have been made to the IHS or the TIM. The improvements are due to better management of the "hot spot", and a different placement of the thermal sensor. Granite Ridge is a chiplet based processor, just like Raphael. AMD has largely carried over the 6 nm client I/O die (cIOD) from the previous generation, although the substrate has many changes owing to the different dimensions of the 4 nm Zen 5 CCDs, compared to the 5 nm Zen 4 CCDs.

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The Zen 5 and Zen 5c cores will be implemented across 4 nm and 3 nm foundry nodes. Both the Zen 5 CCDs on Granite Ridge, and the Strix Point monolithic processor are built on 4 nm, however AMD is working on high-density chipsets for 5th Gen EPYC that will see AMD implement 3 nm. Back when AMD Zen made landfall in 2017, nobody expected the company to remain competitive with Intel for more than a couple of generations, but the company has consistently proven everybody wrong. It has stuck to its roadmap, only promised what it could deliver, and delivered on those promises. We've been given consistent double-digit IPC gains for each new Zen generation, and every two generations, AMD has transitioned to a new class of process nodes. In a way, AMD and TSMC have been able to imitate Intel's tick-tock product development cycle far better than Intel itself.

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AMD Granite Ridge and Strix Point Zen 5 die-sizes and transistor counts confirmed:kafa:

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To begin with, "Strix Point" is a monolithic silicon, which is confirmed to be built on the TSMC N4P foundry node (4 nm). This is a slight upgrade over the N4 node that the company built its previous generation "Phoenix" and "Hawk Point" processors on. The "Strix Point" silicon measures 232.5 mm˛ in area, which is significantly larger than the 178 mm˛ of "Hawk Point" and "Phoenix." The added die area comes from there being 12 CPU cores instead of 8, and 16 iGPU compute units instead of 12; and a larger NPU. There are many other factors, such as the larger 24 MB CPU L3 cache; and the sizes of the "Zen 5" and "Zen 5c" cores themselves.

The "Granite Ridge" desktop processor is a chiplet-based processor, much like the Ryzen 7000 "Raphael." AMD is confirmed to be reusing the 6 nm client I/O die (cIOD) from "Raphael." This chip measures 122 mm˛, and packs 3.4 billion transistors. For reference, the cIOD of Ryzen 5000 "Vermeer" and Ryzen 3000 "Matisse" is built on the Global Foundries 12 nm node, measures a similar 125 mm˛, but with a much lower transistor count of 2.09 billion. The key contributor to the transistor count increase is the tiny iGPU that the Socket AM5 cIOD comes with. It may have just 1 workgroup processor (2 CU), but comes with the same display engines and media engines as the iGPU on APUs.

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And now, onto the CPU complex dies (CCDs), the key area of silicon innovation for AMD desktop processors. The 8-core "Zen 5" CCD is codenamed "Eldora," and is built on the 4 nm foundry node. The HardwareLuxx.de report says that this the same N4P node as "Strix Point," but we've heard several other credible sources claiming that it is the more advanced N4X node, which favors high frequencies. The "Zen 5" CCD has a transistor count of 8.315 billion, which is a significant increase over the 6.5 billion of "Durango," the 8-core CCD based on "Zen 4," powering "Raphael."

What's most interesting is that this staggering 28% increase in transistor counts from the "Zen 4" Durango CCD and "Zen 5" Eldora CCD comes at a die-area decrease of 0.5%. That's right, the "Zen 5" CCD measures 70.6 mm˛, whereas the "Zen 4" CCD is 71 mm˛. The "Zen 4" CCD is built on TSMC N5 (5 nm), which goes to show the tremendous leap in transistor densities achieved from the switch to N4P (or N4X). A maxed out Ryzen 9 9950X processor hence has a total transistor count of 20.03 billion, while the single-CCD Ryzen 7 9700X has a transistor count of 11.715 billion. AMD Ryzen 9000 series goes on sale from July 31, 2024.

Izvor: TechPowerUp i HardwareLUXX

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AMD Ryzen 9 9950X flagship “Zen 5” 16-core CPU tested From 40W up to 230W, matches Core i9-14900KS at 160W in Cinebench:fiju:

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AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X, the fastest Zen 5 Desktop CPU, has been tested in Cinebench & matches Intel's top 14900KS chip at just 160W. The latest benchmarks of the AMD Ryzen 9 9950X 16-Core "Zen 5" Desktop CPU have been published by Anandtech forum member, Igor_kavinski, who previously showcased the full performance scaling potential of the flagship in Blender at various TDPs. For the latest tests, Cinebench R23 was selected as the go-to benchmark and the results are quite amazing. Once again, Igor's results come from a source running an ES (Engineering Sample) version of the AMD Ryzen 9 9950X CPU which is rated at lower clock speeds but was manually tweaked (PBO+CO) & tested at various target PPTs.

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X "Zen 5" Desktop CPU manages to match the 7950X3D at 120W and is able to match the Core i9-14900KS with a 160W TDP. The result versus i9-14900KS is the standout given that the latter was tested at its extreme profile which can push over 300W of power, almost double that of the 160W PPT and this isn't even the retail chip. With a PPT of 200W, the 9950X sits 5% ahead and with a PPT of 230W, the Zen 5 chip sits 8% ahead (and its still going to be less power hungry than the i9). The multi-threaded performance of the AMD Ryzen 9 9950X CPU with its 16 Zen 5 cores is looking great and with the added efficiency and lower temps, it will turn out to be a leadership product for the high-performance desktop segment.

Izvor: Interneti

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Interview with AMD's Mike Clark the 'Father of Zen' — says 3nm Zen 5 is coming fast :kafa:

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We interviewed Mike Clark, AMD's Corporate Fellow Silicon Design Engineer, during the company's recent Tech Day, where it unveiled the Zen 5 microarchitecture that powers the company's Ryzen 9000 and Ryzen AI 300 processors. Clark, known as the 'Father of Zen' has worked on AMD's CPU architectures for 31 years. He was the lead architect of the first generation of Zen, which he unveiled at Hot Chips while the company was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy back in 2016.

Over the last seven years, AMD has unveiled five generations of Zen, each delivering double-digit increases in instructions per clock (IPC) improvement. Clark has led Zen's development through all five generations, with a sixth in the hopper, transforming AMD from a struggling chipmaker to a stock market darling that has now clawed back a significant amount of market share from Intel. Now AMD has nearly twice the market cap of its long-time foe Intel, and the architectures driven by Clark served as the fuel for the incredible turnaround.

AMD's Zen 5 architecture will span both the 4nm and 3nm process nodes, powering the next generation of AMD's entire CPU product stack that spans from desktop and mobile PCs to its EPYC processors for the data center. Designing one cohesive underlying architecture to address all those markets is an incredible engineering feat. AMD is launching the 4nm Zen 5 chips at the end of this month, but it hasn't yet announced the timeline for the 3nm variants. Clark expanded on the challenges of designing Zen 5 for both the 4nm and 3nm processes concurrently, saying the two versions are basically arriving "on top of each other."

AMD has used its compact Zen 'c' cores, smaller cores designed for background tasks much like Intel's E-cores, to reduce cost and boost performance in its laptop processors. However, unlike its competitor, AMD hasn't brought those cores to its desktop lineup yet. Zen 5c marks the second iteration of AMD's compact cores, but they are currently not planned for the Ryzen 9000 family. However, Clark said he thinks compact cores will come to future Ryzen desktop chips and also expanded on the techniques the company uses for its unique implementation.

Intel has famously abandoned injecting hardware acceleration support for high-performance AVX-512 instructions, but AMD's Zen 5 marks the debut of full AVX-512 acceleration for the Ryzen family. Unlike Intel, which has to reduce clock speeds when its processors run AVX-512 workloads, AMD says these powerful instructions will run at the same clock speeds as standard integer operations. Clark also expanded on how the company achieved that feat and said that its Zen 5c cores can also run full AVX-512.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

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AMD Ryzen 9 9900X early gaming tests leaked, slightly behind Ryzen 7 7800X3D, lower power & temperatures:kafa:

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The benchmarks come from SaddyTech, an Italian YouTuber, who managed to acquire a retail AMD Ryzen 9 9900X CPU ahead of launch. The YouTuber tested the chip on an Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX motherboard with the latest BIOS, a pair of DDR5-7200 memory (2400 fabric clock) and compared it in various games against the Ryzen 7 7800X3D. Coming to the performance figures, both the AMD Ryzen 9 9900X 12-Core "Zen 5" and AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D "Zen 4" CPUs were tested in various titles at 2160p, 1440p and 1080p resolutions. The first game on the list is Alan Wake 2 where the new Zen 5 chip was slightly faster in avg FPS but the Zen 4 3D V-Cache chip managed to surpass it in both average and lows.

In terms of power figures, the CPU consumed 111W and an average of 102W while gaming during COD/CS2 and peaked out at 66C temperatures which are quite amazing numbers. In Cyberpunk, the temps did reach up to 85C which is still lower than the 90C+ temps on the Ryzen 7000 CPU series and power hit a peak of 144W. The lower power and temperature claim made by AMD is right on the spot. With that said, the AMD Ryzen 9 9900X should end up being a strong overall multi-threaded chip if priced right. AMD's Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" Desktop CPUs will be available later this month on the 31st of July so stay tuned for more information.

Izvor: Interneti

AMD Ryzen 9 9900X appears to be slower than the 7800X3D in a lot of games in these first third-party gaming benchmarks

Izvor je neki bzvz, pa ne znam koliko može biti dobar, ali veli jednaki su ili je 9900x sporiji, brži nije. Ako stvarno bude tako, jasne su mi onda one cijene.

Nije niti bitno toliko, AMD-u je jedino bitno da ne izdaju zajeb kao Intel i prodat će se sve :roller:

Za Intel zna nas par % tu sa foruma i entuzijasti općenito, tako da mi se čini da im to vj i dalje ne stvara baš neke probleme u prodaji.
Tj najveće sranje im je tj biti će im kada im počnu otkazivati veliki korisnici sa serverima i slično.
Za AMD po svemu nema zime.

NIšta neočekivano, nisu ni zen4 bili toliko puno brži od 5800x3D iako je razlika u taktu bila preko 1 GHz. A sad je zen5 brži od 7800x3D 500 MHz. AMD ima dedicated CPU za gayming tako da kome je to najbitnije neka čeka 9700X3D ili kako će se već zvati (iako ne znam u kojem to scenariju 7800x3D nije dovoljno brz u gaymingu).

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Autor Disco (Post 3753716)

Za Intel zna nas par % tu sa foruma i entuzijasjti općenito, tako da mi se čini da im to vj i dalje ne stvara baš neke probleme u prodaji.
Tj najveće sranje im je tj biti će im kada im počnu otkazivati veliki korisnici sa serverima i slično.

Lagano je i to krenulo, odnosno nakon GN i Level1Techs testiranja i istraživanja, ispostavilo se da su u pozadini puno veći igrači (investicijski fondovi, razvojni studiji, hosting provideri, itd.) cijelo ovo vrijeme imali hrpu problema, ali se o tome nije javno pričalo. Nažalost (za Intel) sad se više ne suzdržavaju od javnog negodovanja, tak da je za AMD ova situacija stvarno došla ko naručena, posebice, ako se Zen 5 u recenzijama pokaže i dokaže kao još jedan solidan skok naprijed.:)

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Autor Disco (Post 3753683)

Ma izvor je tocan 100%, bit ce ista situacija kao i sa 5800X3D i Zen 4 non X3D procesorima. Ako uzimas za gaming, ili uzmes 7800X3D ili ako hoces opet puno brzi proc za gaming onda cekas 9800X3D, i onda ce 9800X3D bit na razini non X3D Zen 6... Uvijek je tak bilo i bit ce. Ja jos nisam siguran dal da idem na 9800X3D ili da cekam Zen 6 X3D, ali uglavnom zelim bit spreman za GTA 6 i te neke ostale igre koje ce zahtjevat malo jaci proc pogotovo na 1080p.

Samo kaj GTA6 tko zna kad će na PC...za sad najava samo za konzole. Mogao bi i zen 6 do tada.

Ja čekam rezultate 9950X-a. Vrijeme je da se zamijeni stari prdonja - 9900K. Vidim da je MSI stavio službeni support za neke ploče do 256GB. Jel se zna kada bi trebali biti dostupni 4x64gb kitovi? Sada na 9900K imam 128GB i to zna biti nekad malo (obrada oblaka točaka i fotogrametrije). 192GB upgrade mi je tak tak...

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AMD Delays Ryzen 9000: “Did Not Meet Quality Expectations”:kafa:

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AMD has delayed the launch of its Ryzen 9000 CPUs ("Zen 5") to August 15th, with a possibility to ship slightly earlier, due to a non-specific inability to meet "quality expectations." The delay affects all four current models: The Ryzen 9 9950X, R9 9900X, R7 9700X, and R5 9600X are all delayed. Again, it is possible some models ship sooner. The current target is August 15th. We expect to get CPUs for reviews in time for this new release date. AMD provided GN with an official statement. We also provide some (mostly for fun) commentary on the current situation as it relates to Intel's huge CPU mess. Maybe AMD is trying to avoid looking like Intel.

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The company will now launch the Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X processors on August 8, while the higher-end Ryzen 9 9950X and Ryzen 9 9900X will be delayed until August 15. During final processor checks, AMD discovered an unspecified quality issue with the Ryzen 9000 processors that had slipped past its internal inspection processes. The issue doesn’t require a redesign or re-spin of the Ryzen 9000 silicon and will not result in changes to the already-defined specifications for the various models. AMD will re-screen the chips pulled from the field to identify any with potential issues and then return unaffected models to retail channels. This indicates that not all chips suffer from the issue.

Izvor: Tom's Hardware

Umjesto da poentiraju sad su preplašili potencijalne kupce...

Koliko god se činilo blesavo, ispalo bi puno gore da su to pustili u opticaj, pa nakon recenzija, povukli i onda sami sebe pokopali hrpom negativnog tiska, makar bi se inicijalno pokazalo da su procesori OK. Ajde, odgoda od tjedan dana za R5 i R7 modele, te dva tjedna za oba R9 modela nije tak strašno. Još se bude taman poklopilo s Intelovim dodatnim zakrpama, pa nek testiraju sve kak spada.:chears:

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We identified an issue with our initial production testing for Ryzen 9000 series processors that could result in a small number of parts reaching market that do not meet our quality standards. As a result, we have updated our test flow to include additional screening. As a part of ensuring that we are delivering the highest quality products to consumers, we are requalifying all the Ryzen 9000 series CPUs previously shipped to our distribution partners.

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Some of the processors were way off in benchmarking and testing. AMD decided to investigate and found a problem in some processors with the IOD.
Apparently salvageable with a IOD swap. Also the 6 and 8 core parts are not affected but recalling as a precaution which is why the delay on these is only a week.

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Meni je to malo čudno, oni će kao u 2 tj ispraviti HW grešku na svim do sada proizvedenim CPUima...rekao bi ja da oni riješavaju BIOS, a ne HW.
Najvj ovo što je Stevo i spomenuo, možda im CPUi ne boostaju na reklamirane frekve kao što je zen2 u početku bio po 100+ mhz niže od reklamiranog.
Pa ih je derbauer razapeo zbog toga.

Voli AMD ove nebulozne poteze...sjetim se 5600 XT ili koja je ono točno bila gdje su u zadnji tren na brzinu izdali BIOS koji povećava brzinu VRAM-a jer im ga je gosn jakna metnuo.
Pa pljuvanje na sva zvona na 4gb VRAM, da bi slijedeću gen izbacili grafe sa 4gb i pravili se grbavi...
Imaju oni trenutaka i da ponovim, AMDova najslabija karika, tj čini mi se karika koju skoro pa uopće nemaju je marketing.
Lijepo je za nas korisnike da se sva lova tuče u R&D, ali ipak treba nešto šuške dat i marketingu, pa Jobs je bio najbolji primjer koliko je marketing jak za prodaju. ;)

Ukoliko je do stvarno do problematične I/O jezgre na nekolicini inicijalno poslanih modela, onda nemaju kaj puno ispravljati, kad ih istovremeno povlače i šalju friške koji su u međuvremenu proizvedeni. U tih tjedan-dva ionako ne mogu ništa konkretno napraviti, a koliko smo imali prilke vidjeti, ljudi su ih se već domogli i testirali konkretne primjerke.

Kompletna IT industrija ima zajedničku boljku zadnjih 5-7 godina a to je Quality Assurance. Sve se lansira ishitreno i što prije i događaju se ovakve stvari, od igle do lokomotive s time da je zadnje 2-3 godine to baš izraženo da krajnji korisnik preuzima ulogu kupca i testera.

Ovisi kad kupuješ, da li ispod čekića ili hardver bez dječjih bolesti koji je sazrio.

Last Minute Problems! AMD Delays Ryzen 9000 - What We've Learned:kafa:

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TL;DW - općenito se slažu da je ovo itekako bolji potez i rješenje, nego da su novi Zen 5 procesori pušteni u opticaj, pa da se kasnije apsolutno sve povlači, radi nekolicne (potencijalno) problematičnih primjeraka. Službene recenzije za R5 i R7 modele idu 07.08., dok su za oba R9 modela, recenzije dostupne 14.08., tj. dan prije, nego su dostupni u dućanima diljem svijeta.

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Ryzen AI 0 HX 370 was overall about 10% faster than the Ryzen 7 7840HS and about 18% faster than the Ryzen 7 7840U... Not bad, considering those prior Zen 4 parts were all Zen 4 full fat cores compared to the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 having four Zen 5 cores and eight Zen 5C cores. The Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 also came in 43% faster than the current Intel competition with the Core Ultra 7 155H "Meteor Lake" processor.

Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 SoC was pulling about 20.4 Watts with a peak of 34.2 Watts.... Meanwhile the Ryzen 7 7840HS had an average of 35 Watts and a peak of 60 Watts. The Ryzen 7 7840U had a 27 Watt average and a peak of 51 Watts. The Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 came out faster than those parts while consuming significantly less power. This Zen 5 power efficiency is very exciting and should carry over for desktop and server parts too.

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Was Ryzen 9000 delayed over a simple typo? AMD Ryzen 9 9700X spotted:kafa:

Cinebench Scores for AMD Ryzen 9900X, 9700X, and 9600X Surfacehttps://www.guru3d.com/story/cineben...9600x-surface/

Na mobu je skoro pa nemoguće ovo dobro izvest :)

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The prices of the AMD Ryzen 9000 CPUs being listed at online retailers were a given as today was the official launch date of the new Zen 5 CPUs however, AMD had to push back the launch of these chips to August citing testing and quality issues encountered on the first batches. The new dates are the 8th of August for the Ryzen 7 9700X & Ryzen 5 9600X CPUs while the high-end chips, the Ryzen 9 9950X & the Ryzen 9 9900X, will hit retail shelves on the 15th of August.

Ryzen 9 9950X - $599 US
Ryzen 9 9900X - $449 US
Ryzen 7 9700X - $359 US
Ryzen 5 9600X - $279 US

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Jel će i uz ove dijelit ram u Microcenteru pa će ih tamo lokalne prodane duše opet proglasit najboljim buyem mogućim na planeti? Ako ne, valjda će dić cijene Zenu 4 pa da ovaj izgleda kao dobar buy. Alternativno, kupit ćemo strgani Intel.

:D:) Sve je moguće kak je krenulo, ali oba Zen 5 Ryzen 9 modela su prema ovome 100$ jeftiniji, nego je to bila situacija za Zen 4.

I mališani su jeftinji 20ak €, ali trebali su IMHO biti 250 i 300 i onda još 30€ dole non X varijante.

mislim da cu preskociti ovu generaciju zasada i ubost 7500f/7600. i kasnije u buducnosti uzet 9800x3d, naravno kada padne cijena za koju godinu.

ali strpit se jos tjedan dana do testova ovih malisana

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Autor Disco (Post 3754923)

I mališani su jeftinji 20ak €, ali trebali su IMHO biti 250 i 300 i onda još 30€ dole non X varijante.

Da, a ukoliko stvarno prema najavama u rujnu/listopadu izbace Zen 5 3D modele zajedno s "novim" čipset 800 pločama, tj. nek 9800X3D bude kakvih 450$ i izađe taman prije, nego Intel pusti Arrow Lake u opticaj, onda AMD lako dodatno korigira cijene. Nažalost, za tjedan-dva su odgodili službenu prodaju i recenzije, inače bi od jučer i danas sve već bilo jasno po pitanju performansi i dostupno u dućanima.

Nisu još izbacili Strix Halo? Neki Asrock mini PC s time bi bio top.

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Autor Libertus (Post 3754931)

Nisu još izbacili Strix Halo? Neki Asrock mini PC s time bi bio top.

Nisu još, taj veliki APU stiže nakon ovih desktop Zen 5 modela, ali sigurno bude raznih mini-PC izdanja.:)

Ima malo i o Intelu...

Jel ima neki AI da te davež video uratke sumira u 5 smislenih rečenica? :D

TLDR: Nije zbog krivog natpisa na IHS, već je AMD navodno uveo strože alate za provjeru na kojem su novi ryzeni pali.
Navodno nije kao ništa strašno i kao nema šanse da netko naleti na problem, ali su zbog događaja sa Intelom odlučili to odmah riješit.

Zahvaljujem na TLDR, ali stvarno, da li ima neki AI kojem možeš dati link youtube videa da ti sumira što su trkeljali cijeli video?

EDIT: Ima :)

Kraće

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In the "AMD Zen 5 Validation Failures Leak | Intel Raptor Lake Instability Update" YouTube video, the speaker discusses validation failures in AMD's higher-end Zen 5 parts, leading to a delay in the Ryzen 9000 series release. AMD discovered a handful of parts that did not meet validation and retested existing yields to ensure quality. This issue is not a flaw with TSMC's 7nm process overall but rather an issue with early yields. Intel's Raptor Lake CPUs continue to face instability issues, causing frustration for their partners. Intel is reportedly withholding information from their partners about the manufacturing issue, leading to potential legal problems and imminent lawsuits. Moriz, the creator, believes AMD's issues are due to validation failures, while Intel's instability issues are causing delays. He encourages viewers to support his channel for more tech updates.

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00:00:00 In this section, a YouTube content creator explains that AMD's delay of the Ryzen 9000 series was not due to a typo, as some speculated, but rather because of validation failures in higher-end Zen 5 parts. AMD recently updated their testing methodology and discovered a handful of parts that did not meet validation, leading them to retest existing yields to ensure quality. The creator emphasizes that this is not a flaw with TSMC's 7nm process overall, but rather an issue with early yields. AMD is taking an abundance of caution to avoid any comparison to Intel's instability issues and may need to downgrade some processors or save top yields for future models. The creator also mentions that validation methodology changes frequently at AMD and it was unexpected that these issues were discovered during production.

00:05:00 In this section of the YouTube video titled "AMD Zen 5 Validation Failures Leak | Intel Raptor Lake Instability Update," the speaker discusses the ongoing instability issues with Intel's Raptor Lake CPUs and the frustration felt by Intel's partners. The speaker divides the people at Intel into two camps: those who downplay the issue and those who recognize the severity of the situation. The latter group is reportedly stonewalling their partners and refusing to admit anything is wrong beyond what has already been said publicly. The speaker also clarifies that oxidation is not the major cause of Raptor Lake desktop chip failures and that the ongoing issue is a legal problem, as Intel may have lied by omission to their partners about the manufacturing issue. The speaker also mentions that lawsuits are imminent and could be severe.

00:10:00 In this section of the YouTube video titled "AMD Zen 5 Validation Failures Leak | Intel Raptor Lake Instability Update," the creator, Moriz, shares some updates on the delays with AMD Ryzen 9,000 and Intel Raptor Lake processors. Moriz expresses his belief that AMD's issues are due to validation failures, while Intel's instability issues are causing delays. He encourages viewers to support his channel through subscribing, liking, sharing, and joining his Discord community or becoming a patron for additional perks.

https://www.summarize.tech/www.youtu...?v=Nh1hiIJFA2o

7nm? Moriz? Treba taj AI još žganaca jesti. Inače nije loše. Svejedno mu ne vjerujem.

Sad onda jedino što ne znamo jest koliko je ozbiljan problem, iako vjerojatno nije ništa posebno. Bilo je problema s reklamiranim frekvencijama i na Zen 3 čini mi se, ali tih zadnjih 100mhz ionako nitko ne osjeti. Opet, pošten potez. Prvoproizvedeni silikon je uvijek najlošiji.

IMHO na kraju bi moglo ispasti da je stvarno bilo do nekolicine I/O jezgri koje su se potkrale, pa su na temelju toga brzo povukli sve do onda izdano i odmah poslali friške primjerke.:)

Kak god se okrene, ništ previše strašno s tih tjedan-dva odgode, ali moglo je biti i gore.:hitthewal:

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Autor Odinarius (Post 3755004)

Je, bilo je problem i sa Zen3. Ali ne sa 100MHz, nego sa 50MHz. Cijeli 486 procesor! Samo sa "malo" boljim IPC-om :D :D

Ma sa Zen2 je bilo to da ne dostiže reklamirane frkve.
Zen3 je zato ako se dobro sjećam išao cca 50mhz preko, kao iskupili se.
I Zen4 isto ide malo preko šta ne?

Da, bilo je vezano za Zen 2 i to je ujedno bil početak der8auerovog (1 - 2) sada već dugogodišnjeg izvještavanja o AMD-ovom lažljivom marketingu. Roman der8auer Hartung je kao što znamo izuzetno objektivan (1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6) u svojim AMD tehničkim osvrtima, posebice kad mu dva glavna sponzora (Intel + ASUS) imaju probleme i u negativnom kontekstu se javno povlače diljem on-line medija, društvenih mreža i Interneta općenito - ne treba dugo čekati i der8auer začas slaže video u kojem nam skreće pažnju na AMD probleme zajedno s popratnim lažljivim marketingom koji prakticiraju. Posljednji od der8auerovih tehničkih osvrta se dogodil na sam dan kad su svi ostali imali izvještaje s AMD Zen 5 Tech Day događanja i gle čuda, der8auer u isto vrijeme izbacuje video inače orginalnog naslova AMD CPU Overheating u kojem skreće pažnju da opet ima problema s AMD proizvodima.

Nažalost nije mu baš prošlo po planu, a i valjda nije računal da su ljudi s godinama skužili koliko je proziran, pa je u komentarima tog videa, masakriran s upitima da kakvo je to neadekvatno hlađenje, kakav je on to inženjer koji nije voljan testirati i provjeriti sve kak spada, zašto nije ovo, zašto nije ono, zbog čega sad priča o tome, dok svi ostali pričaju o Intel Raptor Lake problemima, itd., dok se nisu počela i postavljati konkretna pitanja o još jednom montiranom videu kojem je jedina namjera skrenuti pažnju na problematičan AMD. Jedno vrijeme je čak pokušaval spriječiti navalu negativnih komentara, samo da bi naposljetku kompletno odustal i tjedan dana kasnije snimil nastavak u kojem priznaje da nije sve odradil kak spada i još je k tome šrot AMD CPU tretiran tekućim metalom, a kao treba mu za jako bitne poslove editiranja/renderiranja videa za njegov YouTube kanal.

Kasnije je reda-radi, kad je i za to naveliko prozvan, snimil video o aktualnim Intel problemima, a obzirom da se bliže Zen 5 recenzije, uopće nema sumnje kako će der8auer u sljedeća dva tjedna opet imati neki problem s AMD proizvodima, jer ko zna, možda u odlasku do dućana ugane gležanj, a taman je u prolazu navratil do bankomata, koji gle čuda koristi neki embedded AMD i paf - evo materijala za video - taman u vrijeme kad svi ostali imaju Zen 5 recenzije, der8auer slaže tehnički osvrt kako ga je AMD skoro koštao života i njihovi proizvodi su opećnito opasni po zdravlje.:):D