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Bubba

31.05.2024. 15:44

https://i.imgur.com/bTdCzxU.png

Visage

31.05.2024. 15:58

Da se Cuky i Mario92 ne gnjave,

ja cu za njih :

:care:

dadoremix

31.05.2024. 16:52

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Autor Visage (Post 3744790)

@Domy i ostali,

obavezno pogledajte jucer emitirani dokumetac na HRT1-ici. Oko 21h mislim da je isao. BBC dokumentarac. Odletite na zahtjev, te ili preko mamuta HRTi-a:

https://images4.imagebam.com/b9/94/a2/METT8XR_o.jpg

Sasvim rezervirano sam zelio preletiti kasno navecer, misleci da me ceka razvodnjena i kontrolirana limunuda, ali - nije!

Najmanje su pokrili MS, ali zato su se dirnuli glavnog razloga "covjekoljublja" te intervenciju u sve aspekte zivota.

Pogledati!

...

Ima gdje za dl emisiju?

Cuky	31.05.2024. 17:08

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Autor Visage (Post 3744795)

Da se Cuky i Mario92 ne gnjave,

ja cu za njih :

:care:

🤣👍🏻 kralju

potemkin.hr

02.06.2024. 20:18

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Autor dadoremix (Post 3744798)

Ima gdje za dl emisiju?

Imaš na HRTi za pogledati

Cuky	02.06.2024. 20:30

Moram priznat da sam ocekivao neki duzi dokumentarac. Ovdje su samo zagrebali po povrsini, sve je nekako dosta mlako isprezentirano.

Valjda od straha da ih sve ne doceka kita u bila 🤣

tomek@vz

03.06.2024. 21:58

Ovo vec odavno nije ni smijesno...

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Google has accidentally collected childrens' voice data, leaked the trips and home addresses of car pool users, and made YouTube recommendations based on users' deleted watch history, among thousands of other employee-reported privacy incidents, according to a copy of an internal Google database which tracks six years worth of potential privacy and security issues obtained by 404 Media. From the report: Individually the incidents, most of which have not been previously publicly reported, may only each impact a relatively small number of people, or were fixed quickly. Taken as a whole, though, the internal database shows how one of the most powerful and important companies in the world manages, and often mismanages, a staggering amount of personal, sensitive data on people's lives.

The data obtained by 404 Media includes privacy and security issues that Google's own employees reported internally. These include issues with Google's own products or data collection practices; vulnerabilities in third party vendors that Google uses; or mistakes made by Google staff, contractors, or other people that have impacted Google systems or data. The incidents include everything from a single errant email containing some PII, through to substantial leaks of data, right up to impending raids on Google offices. When reporting an incident, employees give the incident a priority rating, P0 being the highest, P1 being a step below that. The database contains thousands of reports over the course of six years, from 2013 to 2018. In one 2016 case, a Google employee reported that Google Street View's systems were transcribing and storing license plate numbers from photos. They explained that Google uses an algorithm to detect text in Street View imagery.

mkey	04.06.2024. 21:37

Too big to fail.

Cuky	07.06.2024. 01:20

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Autor Visage (Post 3744790)

Evo jos nesto sto se nadovezuje na temu...

https://hrtprikazuje.hrt.hr/dokument...atesa-11566853

Cak mi je i bolji nego ovaj prvi.

tomek@vz

07.06.2024. 07:22

Cijeli svijet je prolupao. IT mi se iz dana u dan sve vise gadi. Ovaj daj samo sto vise AI i snjofanja po korisnicima mi ide opasno na zivac.

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Google Is Working On a Recall-Like Feature For Chromebooks, Too (pcworld.com) 27

In an interview with PCWorld's Mark Hachman, Google's ChromeOS chief said the company is cautiously exploring a Recall-like feature for Chromebooks, dubbed "memory." Microsoft's AI-powered Recall feature for Windows 11 was unveiled at the company's Build 2024 conference last month. The feature aims to improve local searches by making them as efficient as web searches, allowing users to quickly retrieve anything they've seen on their PC. Using voice commands and contextual clues, Recall can find specific emails, documents, chat threads, and even PowerPoint slides. Given the obvious privacy and security concerns, many users have denounced the feature, describing it as "literal spyware or malware." PCWorld reports: I sat down with John Solomon, the vice president at Google responsible for ChromeOS, for a lengthy interview around what it means for Google's low-cost Google platform as the PC industry moved to AI PCs. Microsoft, of course, is launching Copilot+ PCs alongside Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite -- an Arm chip. And Chromebooks, of course, have a long history with Arm. But it's Recall that we eventually landed upon -- or, more precisely, how Google sidles into the same space. Recall is great in theory, but in practice may be more problematic.) Recall the Project Astra demo that Google showed off at its Google I/O conference. One of the key though understated aspects of it was how Astra "remembered" where the user's glasses were.

Astra didn't appear to be an experience that could be replicated on the Chromebook. Most users aren't going to carry a Chromebook around (a device which typically lacks a rear camera) visually identifying things. Solomon respectfully disagreed. "I think there's a piece of it which is very relevant, which is this notion of having some kind of context and memory of what's been happening on the device," Solomon said. "So think of something that's like, maybe viewing your screen and then you walk away, you get distracted, you chat to someone at the watercooler and you come back. You could have some kind of rewind function, you could have some kind of recorder function that would kind of bring you back to that. So I think that there is a crossover there.

"We're actually talking to that team about where the use case could be," Solomon added of the "memory" concept. "But I think there's something there in terms of screen capture in a way that obviously doesn't feel creepy and feels like the user's in control." That sounds a lot like Recall! But Solomon was quick to point out that one of the things that has turned off users to Recall was the lack of user control: deciding when, where, and if to turn it on. "I'm not going to talk about Recall, but I think the reason that some people feel it's creepy is when it doesn't feel useful, and it doesn't feel like something they initiated or that they get a clear benefit from it," Solomon said. "If the user says like -- let's say we're having a meeting, and discussing complex topics. There's a benefit of running a recorded function if at the end of it it can be useful for creating notes and the action items. But you as a user need to put that on and decide where you want to have that."

mkey	07.06.2024. 08:21

tomek, to je samo dio velike inverzije. IT je nekada bio 100% pogonjen entuzijastima a danas nakaze grade ponzi sheme.

tomek@vz

07.06.2024. 08:28

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Autor mkey (Post 3745861)

tomek, to je samo dio velike inverzije. IT je nekada bio 100% pogonjen entuzijastima a danas nakaze grade ponzi sheme.

I Management gladan love.

d0X	07.06.2024. 09:38

Ništa, svi na Debian.

tomek@vz

07.06.2024. 11:06

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Autor d0X (Post 3745877)

Ništa, svi na Debian.

Koji koristi systemd kao i sve ostalo koji samo ceka integraciju AI podsustava (sponsored by M$). Kad bi samo postojale alternative koje se ne krse i rade kak spada...hm...:kafa:

d0X	07.06.2024. 11:10

Nemoj mi tu kavice piti nego reci koje su to alternative.

tomek@vz

07.06.2024. 11:55

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Autor d0X (Post 3745901)

Nemoj mi tu kavice piti nego reci koje su to alternative.

Zadnja recenica je naravno sarkasticno zamisljena :kafa: Nema ih.

kopija

07.06.2024. 11:59

A jeste ograničeni samima sobom.
Recall MOŽE biti killer app za hrpu ljudi, prvenstveno u business okruženju.
Lijepo je čovjek rekao:

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"If the user says like -- let's say we're having a meeting, and discussing complex topics. There's a benefit of running a recorded function if at the end of it it can be useful for creating notes and the action items. But you as a user need to put that on and decide where you want to have that."

I niz takvih primjera gdje AI može biti na pomoći nama jadnim zaboravljivim vrećama mesa i kosti.
Pjenite se vi kolko hoćete ali ta stvarčica ima svijetlu budućnost u Average Joe/Jane svijetu.

tomek@vz

07.06.2024. 12:22

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Autor kopija (Post 3745912)

A jeste ograničeni samima sobom.
Recall MOŽE biti killer app za hrpu ljudi, prvenstveno u business okruženju.
Lijepo je čovjek rekao:

I niz takvih primjera gdje AI može biti na pomoći nama jadnim zaboravljivim vrećama mesa i kosti.
Pjenite se vi kolko hoćete ali ta stvarčica ima svijetlu budućnost u Average Joe/Jane svijetu.

Zato postoje mejlovi i transkripti nakon takvih telka kolega.

d0X	07.06.2024. 12:59

Ma i meni zvuči kao koristan fićr, ali ne sa labavom sigurnošću.

The Exiled

07.06.2024. 19:17

U tom slučaju provjeri(te) ...

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OpenRecall:kafa:

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It captures the user's digital history by taking regular screenshots, just like the official Recall. The text and images within these screenshots are then processed using OCR (Object Character Recognition), allowing users to quickly find specific information by searching for relevant keywords. Users can also manually scroll back through the screenshots to revisit their past activities. While the official Recall is facing scrutiny for its alleged security failings, OpenRecall promises to be a safer alternative, thanks to its open-source codebase that will allow random audits to root out any potential backdoors. The app also stores and processes data locally, so users don't have to worry about uploading their information to third-party servers.

mkey	08.06.2024. 14:59

Moje iskustvo sa sastancima je takvo da ljudi koji vole sastanke vole sastanke, a ne raditi nešto konkretno nakon sastanka (kao npr. vođenje bilješki). Kada me upetljaju u sastanak u pravilu nakon istog imam za odraditi najmanje pola sata konkretnih stvari. Dok su svi ostalo sudionici već debelo u nekom drugom sastanku :D

Iskustvo mi je i takvo da ljudi tijekom sastanka laprdaju takve gluposti da treba barem pola toga ignorirati. Kako će recall prepoznati što je bitno a što nije, to je upitno. Mislim da tzv. AI ne smije biti zamjena za korištenje mozga. Niti smatram da to može biti, nego mi se čini da idemo u tom smjeru da će se sve one stvari koje se rade bez razumijevanja sada raditi još efikasnije pa kada netko pita "gdje je dokumentacija" boilerplate odgovor bude "pitaj recall" :D

nepalac

08.06.2024. 18:46

Jel koristio tko onu opciju na google maps da zamagli/blura svoju kuću?
https://www.jutarnji.hr/domidizajn/s...aviti-15296371

Napravio sam zahtjev prije 2 mjeseca ali još uvijek ništa... ne znam koliko to traje.

d0X	08.06.2024. 18:52

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Autor mkey (Post 3746136)

Iskustvo mi je i takvo da ljudi tijekom sastanka laprdaju takve gluposti da treba barem pola toga ignorirati. Kako će recall prepoznati što je bitno a što nije, to je upitno.

Što ga briga, on snimi sve, pa ti izvlači kasnije/pitaj ga što ti je bitno.

mkey	09.06.2024. 13:34

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Autor d0X (Post 3746177)

Što ga briga, on snimi sve, pa ti izvlači kasnije/pitaj ga što ti je bitno.

Zvuči mi puno jednostavnije napraviti bilješke dok ti je sastanak svjež u mozgu.

domy_os

09.06.2024. 15:22

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Autor nepalac (Post 3746175)

Moje selo do nedavno nije bilo uopće snimljeno. Prošle godine sam vidio kad su prošli i čekao da stave snimke online. Iz nekoliko kadrova sam poslao isti report i za svaki report dobio email:

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Pozdrav,

Hvala vam što ste poslali izvješće o prikazu Street View. Pregledavamo sliku koju ste prijavili i poslat ćemo vam e-poruku kada riješimo vaš zahtjev.

Srdačan pozdrav,
tim Google karata

U mom slučaju je trajalo tjedan dana i ovo je odgovor kad je bilo gotovo:

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Pozdrav,

Slika prikaza Street View koju ste prijavili ažurirana je. Promjene bi se trebale vidjeti u roku od 24 sata.

Ako se promjene ne budu vidjele nakon 24 sata, pokušajte izbrisati predmemoriju preglednika pa ponovo pogledajte sliku. Ovdje možete pronaći upute za brisanje predmemorije.

Hvala vam što ste nas upozorili na taj problem. Privatnost i sigurnost smatramo važnima, a vaše nam informacije pomažu poboljšati Google karte za sve korisnike.

Srdačan pozdrav,
tim Google karata

U početku su bili oštri prijelazi između bluranog i čistog prikaza, kasnije su fino ispeglali.

tomek@vz

10.07.2024. 07:10

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Users challenge distracting Google Maps pop-up ads that suggest "quick detours"

Da mi je znati koji pompozni , pohlepni kreten u Google-u je mislio da je ovo pametna ideja...

Mario92

10.07.2024. 10:47

Google Chrome has an API accesible only from *.google.com

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So, Google Chrome gives all *.google.com sites full access to system / tab CPU usage, GPU usage, and memory usage. It also gives access to detailed processor information, and provides a logging backchannel.

This API is not exposed to other sites - only to *.google.com.

This is interesting because it is a clear violation of the idea that browser vendors should not give preference to their websites over anyone elses.

The DMA codifies this idea into law: browser vendors, as gatekeepers of the internet, must give the same capabilities to everyone.

Depending on how you interpret the DMA, this additional exposure of information only to Google properties may be considered a violation of the DMA.

Take for example Zoom - they are now at a disadvantage because they can not provide the same CPU debugging feature as Google Meet.

or those interested: this is done through a built-in Chrome extension that can not be disabled, and does not show up in the extensions panel. Source code is here: https://source.chromium.org/chromium...gout_services/

It is unclear whether the same extension also ships in other Chromium derived browsers.

In Microsoft Edge this capability is also available exclusively to *.google.com domains

And for everyone that keeps saying "Use Brave!!!":

Brave also has the same behaviour as Chrome and Edge here. The extension that allows Google to retrieve this information exclusively from *.google.com is also pre-installed in Brave.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40918052

EDIT: Ovo za bluranje kuća - kad naletim na takvu kuću onda me samo još više zanima ta kuća pa gledam sve kuteve da vidim neki detalj, tak da bi rekel da radi više štete nego koristi kaj se tiče privatnosti, ili barem odvlačenja pozornosti

medo	10.07.2024. 18:56

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Autor mkey (Post 3746136)

Moje iskustvo je da sastanak sazivaju ljudi koji uglavnom nemaju pojma kako nešto napraviti pa traže mišljenja drugih najčešće onih ispod sebe. Bejsikli traže da im kažeš kako da rade svoj posao. Sastanak je diverzija.

Najbolji dokaz tome je da budu super pissed off kada "ne iznosiš ideje" ili "ne sudjeluješ aktivno"... a svi znamo što i kako treba... osim onih koji ne znaju :D

Tu gdje sada radim nisam imao niti jedan sastanak sa svojim šefovima. Svi smo dovoljno iskusni i tehnički potkovani pa nam to očito ne treba. Brzo se dogovorimo.

Ono za Chrome nije nikakva novost. Tko je ikada pogledao tcpdump, proxy ili firewall za vrijeme surfanja Chromeom to već odavno zna.

mkey	11.07.2024. 12:32

Kako su ono govorili, don't be evil :D

tomek@vz

21.08.2024. 05:21

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Google now displays convenient artificial intelligence-based answers at the top of its search pages — meaning users may never click through to the websites whose data is being used to power those results. But many site owners say they can’t afford to block Google’s AI from summarizing their content.
That’s because the Google tool that sifts through web content to come up with its AI answers is the same one that keeps track of web pages for search results, according to publishers. Blocking Alphabet Inc.’s Google the way sites have blocked some of its AI competitors would also hamper a site’s ability to be discovered online.
↫ Julia Love and Davey Alba

1v@n	04.12.2024. 22:57

Pretpostavljam da do HR još nije došlo, ako uopće bude zainteresiranih da ovo ganjaju

https://www.lawnews.co.uk/legal-news...lligence%20(AI).

Uglavnom, Microsoft i Google su dokazano koristili privatne podatke korisnika za treniranje AI. Ameri ih stisli, ali sad i UK isto.

Prijavio se i ja kod ovih, pa da vidimo hoće li sjest išta :D

Raspitajte se kod HR i EU odvjetnika jel ima kakva inicijativa da im se dodatno sjedne za vrat.

tomek@vz

05.12.2024. 07:07

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Autor 1v@n (Post 3777812)

Kad je AI tema mislim da nisu oni jedini takvi. Mislim da svi "kradu" informacije gdje god stignu da bi njihovo AI rijesenje izgledalo pametno.

tomek@vz

18.05.2025. 20:28

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A new YouTube tool will let advertisers use Google's Gemini AI model to target ads to viewers when they're most engaged, reports CNBC:
Peak Points has the potential to enable more impressions and a higher click-through rate on YouTube, a primary metric that determines how creators earn money on the video platform... Peak Points is currently in a pilot program and will be rolling out over the rest of the year.

The product "aims to benefit advertisers by using a tactic that aims to grab users' attention right when they're most invested in the content," reports TechCrunch:
This approach appears to be similar to a strategy called emotion-based targeting, where advertisers place ads that align with the emotions evoked by the video. It's believed that when viewers experience heightened emotional states, it leads to better recall of the ads. However, viewers may find these interruptions frustrating, especially when they're deeply engaged in the emotional arc of a video and want the ad to be over quickly to resume watching.

In related news, YouTube announced another ad format that may be more appealing to users. The platform debuted a shoppable product feed where users can browse and purchase items during an ad.

Nisam nimalo šokiran :goood:

tomek@vz

10.06.2025. 18:47

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If you ever wanted to know what it was like to be an engineer at Google during the early to late 2000s, here you go.

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Now even though Google is fundamentally a spyware advertising company (some 80% of its revenue is advertising; the proportion was even higher back then), we Engineers were kept carefully away from that reality, as much as meat eaters are kept away from videos of the meat industry: don’t think about it, just enjoy your steak. If you think about it it will stop being enjoyable, so we just churned along, pretending to work for an engineering company rather than for a giant machine with the sole goal of manipulating people into buying cruft. The ads and business teams were on different floors, and we never talked to them.

↫ Elilla

Even back then, Google knew full well that what they were doing and working towards was deeply problematic and ethically dubious, at best, and reading about how young, impressionable Google engineers at the time figured that out by themselves is kind of heartbreaking. In those days, Google tried really hard to cultivate an image of being different than Apple or Microsoft, a place where employees were treated better and had more freedom, working for a company trying to make the web a better place.

Of course, none of that was actually true, but for a short while back then, a lot of people fell for it – yes, including you, even if you now say you didn’t – and reading about the experiences from people on the inside at the time, it was never actually true.

mkey	10.06.2025. 20:34

Uvijek prikladan uradak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUSZfEBTwRc

tomek@vz

13.06.2025. 20:27

Ak još nije bilo očito:

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After yet another crackdown on ad-blockers, YouTube users are noticing videos that load slowly and direct them to a support page about turning off ad-blocking extensions.

> PcWorld

mkey	13.06.2025. 20:31

Zanimljivo da ja to još uvijek ne vidim na YouBoob. Samo čekam da pojačaju retoriku pa da otktantam YT do kraja i gotovo.

domy_os

13.06.2025. 21:10

Već dugo se vidi da throttlaju download nekih vrsta videa, ne vidiš kod gledanja u 1x, ali kod 1,5-2x i pogotovo downloada se fino vidi da ne ide preko parsto kB/s.

mkey	13.06.2025. 22:12

Ja uglavnom sve gledam na 170x. Doduše rijetko na preko 720p.

tomek@vz

17.06.2025. 07:49

Vjerojatno ste skuzili da je prosli tjedan doslo do vecih smetnja Google usluga i svih koji ovise o njihovom Cloudu (npr. Signal)...cini se da je ovo razlog:

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Google Cloud has attributed last week's widespread outage to a flawed code update in its Service Control system that triggered a global crash loop due to missing error handling and lack of feature flag protection. The Register reports:
Google's explanation of the incident opens by informing readers that its APIs, and Google Cloud's, are served through our Google API management and control planes." Those two planes are distributed regionally and "are responsible for ensuring each API request that comes in is authorized, has the policy and appropriate checks (like quota) to meet their endpoints." The core binary that is part of this policy check system is known as "Service Control."

On May 29, Google added a new feature to Service Control, to enable "additional quota policy checks." "This code change and binary release went through our region by region rollout, but the code path that failed was never exercised during this rollout due to needing a policy change that would trigger the code," Google's incident report explains. The search monopolist appears to have had concerns about this change as it "came with a red-button to turn off that particular policy serving path." But the change "did not have appropriate error handling nor was it feature flag protected. Without the appropriate error handling, the null pointer caused the binary to crash."

Google uses feature flags to catch issues in its code. "If this had been flag protected, the issue would have been caught in staging." That unprotected code ran inside Google until June 12th, when the company changed a policy that contained "unintended blank fields." Here's what happened next: "Service Control, then regionally exercised quota checks on policies in each regional datastore. This pulled in blank fields for this respective policy change and exercised the code path that hit the null pointer causing the binaries to go into a crash loop. This occurred globally given each regional deployment."

Google's post states that its Site Reliability Engineering team saw and started triaging the incident within two minutes, identified the root cause within 10 minutes, and was able to commence recovery within 40 minutes. But in some larger Google Cloud regions, "as Service Control tasks restarted, it created a herd effect on the underlying infrastructure it depends on ... overloading the infrastructure." Service Control wasn't built to handle this, which is why it took almost three hours to resolve the issue in its larger regions. The teams running Google products that went down due to this mess then had to perform their own recovery chores.
Going forward, Google has promised a couple of operational changes to prevent this mistake from happening again: "We will improve our external communications, both automated and human, so our customers get the information they need asap to react to issues, manage their systems and help their customers. We'll ensure our monitoring and communication infrastructure remains operational to serve customers even when Google Cloud and our primary monitoring products are down, ensuring business continuity."

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