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maXonja 01.03.2018. 00:51
Ja vjerujem da više od polovice kartica minea

RaneZ 01.03.2018. 09:42
Po meni i preko 50%. A ako bi uzeli i "gamere koji majnaju, jer, zasto ne otplatit karticu dok ne gejmam" penje se i preko 60-70% :)

Albert Wesker 01.03.2018. 15:01
Ako mineri zele otplatiti svoju grafu od 6000 kn, bome ce se nacekati onda

RaneZ 01.03.2018. 16:09
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Autor Albert Wesker (Post 3168941)
Ako mineri zele otplatiti svoju grafu od 6000 kn, bome ce se nacekati onda
A cuj, ne moraju otplatiti cijelu. Platili su je, jelte, za gaming :)
Sve sto napravi je cisti plus. Gaming je svi znamo, minus.

Manuel Calavera 03.04.2018. 14:11
Citiraj:
AMD Is Boosted By Apple's Rising Interest In Video Games

Summary:

- Thunderbolt 3-equipped Mac computers which update to macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 can use external Graphics Processing Units.

- Apple endorsed external Polaris and Vega Radeon GPUs. The external GPU implementation on macOS High Sierra is reportedly based on AMD's XConnect technology.

- As the exclusive supplier of discrete GPUs to Apple, AMD gets supplementary benefits from Apple making Macs more attractive to gamers, designers, content creators, and virtual reality enthusiasts.

- Apple's lingering interest in the $170 billion video games industry is a long-term tailwind for AMD.

Apple (AAPL) promised last June 2017 to enable external GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) support for Macs. Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) investors should now be delighted that Apple kept its promise. The March 30 announcement of Apple said that Thunderbolt 3-equipped Macs who upgrade to macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 can now use external graphics processors [eGPU].

(Source: Apple)

AMD is currently the exclusive supplier of discrete graphics for Macs. Apple making Macs more usable for gamers, content creators, and virtual reality enthusiasts can boost future sales of AMD GPUs. AMD needs this help from Apple to offset the possibility of weaker GPU demand from cryptocurrency mining.

Future sales of Radeon external GPUs can help AMD maintain the growth momentum of its Computing and Graphics division. GPU purchases of Ethereum cryptocurrency miners helped Computing and Graphics post a 54% Y/Y growth last year. Bitmain allegedly has an upcoming Ethereum-centric ASIC miner. This has worried analysts/investors. They think AMD will see lower Radeon sales this year.

Macs' average selling prices are much higher than Windows/Chrome OS computers. However, Apple still sold 19.25 million Macs last year. Apple's potential as a GPU sales booster is greater than that of cryptocurrency miners. Apple is recommending only third-party eGPU boxes using Polaris and Vega Radeon GPUs. For optimal performance, Apple recommended AMD's higher-priced desktop GPUs: Radeon RX 570, RX 580, Vega 56, Vega 64, Radeon Pro WX 9100, and Radeon Pro WX 7100.

Apple itself sold a developer-exclusive eGPU box for $599 using an RX 580 GPU last year. Apple likely optimized macOS Sierra to perform better with external Radeon GPUs. Sonnet (who made the 350W Breakaway Box eGPU chassis) made a "use-at-your-own-risk" warning last year to MacBook/iMac owners who plan to use Nvidia (NVDA) GPUs with its chassis.

...

Conclusion

The rising popularity of external graphics processors is an important tailwind for AMD. Apple's strong brand power and legions of Mac loyalists is very important to Radeon GPU sales. AMD's 2017 surge in GPU revenue is partly due to the growing sales of Mac computers. Being the exclusive discrete graphics processor supplier to Apple is more important than cryptocurrency mining.
Going forward, AMD has long-term benefits from Apple's lingering interest in taking a bigger share of the $170 billion video games software/hardware industry. Apple extended the coverage of its mobile-first proprietary Metal graphics API to PCs, smart TVs, and virtual reality devices. The Apple TV trademark was updated earlier this year to cover video games hardware.

The new support for eGPUs for Macs is another strong evidence that the opportunity in video games is heavy on Apple's mind. AMD shareholders should celebrate that Apple chose Radeon over Nvidia's GeForce/Quadro GPUs.

AMD's Radeon GPU wagon is now hitched to Apple's star ambition to become a major player in the $170 billion video games industry.

Manuel Calavera 09.04.2018. 00:07
Radeon RX 500X Series Spotted on AMD’s Website

Nešto bi se moglo dogoditi na ljeto, no ono što je sigurno - neće se još maknuti sa ovih polaris i vega arhitektura (Navi i 7nm najranije Q1 2019, vjerojatno kasnije). Znači opcije su

- još jedan polaris rebrand, ovoga puta na 12nm
- mainstream vege (tipa 24 CU na 12nm)
- refresh aktualnih vegi 56 i 64 na 12nm

Točka 2 zvuči najzanimljivije. Vega sa 24CU ili još bolje pola vege 56 ili 64 (28 CU i 32 CU na 12nm) bi mogle biti zanimljive mainstream gpu. Ako bi imale normalne cijene :D

Odinarius 09.04.2018. 01:28
Ako taj shrink donese što je donio i ryzenu 2, uz postojeću veginu potrošnju to će biti samo još gora kartica.

Manuel Calavera 09.04.2018. 15:21
Pa ne može biti gora. Može za iste clockove biti malo efikasnija, odnosno za istu potrošnju malo veće clockove, ovisno što odluče. Pričalo se i o nekoj vegi druge generacije, ali to je već nejasna i stara priča. Uglavnom ništa dramatično se tu ne može dogoditi

IMO najizglednija je druga opcija - mainstream vege na 12nm, a to bi vjerojatno i najviše ljudi htjelo vidjeti. Još jedan rebrand polarisa mi fakat nema smisla, mada se i 3 puta ukazala pictairnka (hd7850/7870 - 265/270/270X - 370)

Manuel Calavera 09.04.2018. 19:45
Aw shit, izgleda da će biti još jedan polaris refresh - klik

Headroom sa novim half-nodeom će iskoristiti za već clock

Odinarius 10.04.2018. 15:27
Dakle, ista stvar kao da ju sam klokneš, uz očekivani porast u potrošnji.

Da pojasnim, ako za refresh Vege na 12nm naprave istu stvar, povećaju clockove i potrošnju za istu cijenu, nisu puno napravili, pošto performanse nisu ni bile problem koliko potrošnja u odnosu na Nvidiu (na maloprodajnu cijenu ne mogu puno utjecati kroz MSRP, barem ne na razuman način). A povećanjem tog parametra u kojem su najlošiji efektivno stvaraju lošiju karticu... Vege su loša kupnja zbog te potrošnje (temp i buka).

Ryzen 2 nije ista priča jer je tu em podjednak TDP s Intelom, više jezgri, em su poboljšali latencije.

Manuel Calavera 10.04.2018. 20:25
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Autor Odinarius (Post 3182819)
Dakle, ista stvar kao da ju sam klokneš, uz očekivani porast u potrošnji.
Kažem, nebi trebala biti ista stvar jer nije isti node. Daklem, ako je ovaj node recimo 10% efikasniji, pa karikiram može imati 10% veći clock od trenutnih, za istu potrošnju kao trenutne. Kad bi za isti clock imala istu potrošnju kao trenutne - koja je onda poanta istih? Onda su to iste gpu, a ne refresh. Nemoj miješati sa rx 500 vs rx 400, jer su to ipak u osnovi isti node, najobičniji rebrand, a prve su samo nasviranije pa je efikasnost lošija

Ali da, uglavnom ništa uzbudljivo, čak naprotiv. AKo zbog mininga (barem malo) budu imalo povišene cijene, neće biti zanimljive gamerima

Naravno nije 100% sigurno, treba još pričekati, ali je vjerojatno 80-90%

Disco 11.04.2018. 08:08
Negdje sam pročitao da je to samo promjena imena za OEM kartice.
Znači ipak nije to?

Manuel Calavera 11.04.2018. 08:13
Moguće je svašta, nije ništa još 100% sigurno. Već je i vega vjerovali ili ne 1 god. vani, ako odluče izbaciti nešto ove godine može biti samo refresh vege i/ili polarisa opet

Sapphire AMD Radeon RX Vega Nano Could Be in The Works

The Exiled 11.04.2018. 15:20
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Autor Disco (Post 3183030)
Negdje sam pročitao da je to samo promjena imena za OEM kartice. Znači ipak nije to?
Nažalost, izgleda da ipak je. Sad i službeno (opet) pretaču iz šupljeg u prazno.:fiju:

Manuel Calavera 27.04.2018. 00:16
Citiraj:
AMD President & CEO Dr. Lisa Su – Q1 2018 Earnings Report

“I’m also happy to report that our next-generation 7nm Radeon Instinct product, optimized for machine learning workloads, is running in our labs and we remain on track to provide samples to customers later this year.”
Citiraj:
Timothy Arcuri – UBS Securities
“I think you said that the 7nm product is in the lab and it’s going to launch later this year. That’s the product at TSMC, correct? And I’m just wondering on that front do you feel comfortable that you can get capacity from that vendor?”

AMD President & CEO Dr. Lisa Su

“Our foundry strategy is to use both TSMC and Globalfoundries on the first 7nm product, we are using TSMC for that product and we have a very strong relationship with them. And so, we do see good momentum on it from what we see and I’m not concerned about capacity.”
Citiraj:
Although the company still does not refer to its new 7nm Vega chip as Vega 20, previously leaked internal AMD slides clearly describe a 7nm based “Vega 20” GPU that’s specifically designed for AI and intended for market entry in 2018.

Vega 20 differs from Vega 10 in several key aspects. In that it’s designed to deliver 8 times the double precision compute performance, double the memory interface width and support for up to 4 HBM2 stacks for a total of 32GB of HBM2 vRAM and 1TB/s of memory bandwidth.

Vega 20 will be AMD’s first chip designed specifically for AI and machine learning workloads and it’s set to compete with NVIDIA’s Volta based accelerators, including the Quadro GV100 and Titan V.

Gigi1 27.04.2018. 01:19
postoji mogucnost da ce to biti dva gpu cipa nakeljana na jedan pcb i povezana "gpu inf.fabricom", barem tak ovi specsi vuku, sve su kao poduplali

Manuel Calavera 02.05.2018. 00:18
Early AMD Vega 20 3DMark11 benchmark result emerges

Wccf senzacionalno zaključuje da je 70% brža per clock

messiah 02.05.2018. 22:13
Citiraj:
Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3189936)
Early AMD Vega 20 3DMark11 benchmark result emerges

Wccf senzacionalno zaključuje da je 70% brža per clock
Oni imaju vijesti na razini Indexa :)
Još su par puta u članku napisali da ne znaju pravi clock :D

Manuel Calavera 03.05.2018. 19:59
Next Generation GeForce and Radeon Graphics Cards Could Be Powered By TSMC’s New Wafer-on-Wafer Die Stacking Technology

Manuel Calavera 05.05.2018. 22:49
AMD Vega 20 & Vega 12 GPUs Leaked – Vega 20 Features Support for Intrinsic AI Instructions

Citiraj:
The new GPU has been leaked in the latest LLVM and clang compiler patches alongside a brand new GPU we’ve never heard of before, called Vega 12.
Citiraj:
Unlike Vega 20, very little is known about Vega 12 (GFX904) other than the fact that it exists. Some speculate that it’s replacing Polaris at the entry level, but that’s pure conjecture at this point.
Moguće da se radi o slabijim vegama za Radeon Instinct proizvode, jer su prijašnji bazirani na polaris ako se ne varam. Vega 20 je nabrijani "deep learing gpu". Skeptičan sam oko vege za mainstream tržište, jer sam skoro potpuno uvjeren da su Navi zamjena za polaris tj. mainstreamuše, a high end opet ćorak. Ako vega kojim slučajem dolazi na mainstream tržište do bi moralo biti odmah, do ljeta, što znači da nebi bila 7nm.

Gigi1 12.05.2018. 11:36
AMD Super-SIMD Patent, coming to a GPU after Navi

Citiraj:
A super single instruction, multiple data (SIMD) computing structure and a method of executing instructions in the super-SIMD is disclosed. The super-SIMD structure is capable of executing more than one instruction from a single or multiple thread and includes a plurality of vector general purpose registers (VGPRs), a first arithmetic logic unit (ALU), the first ALU coupled to the plurality of VGPRs, a second ALU, the second ALU coupled to the plurality of VGPRs, and a destination cache (Do$) that is coupled via bypass and forwarding logic to the first ALU, the second ALU and receiving an output of the first ALU and the second ALU. The Do$ holds multiple instructions results to extend an operand by-pass network to save read and write transactions power. A compute unit (CU) and a small CU including a plurality of super-SIMDs are also disclosed.

ako se tko sjeca terscale arch od ati/amd, odnosno vliw...ovo je ajmo rec na tom tragu


edit: evo malo detaljnije
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-seek...mputing_205227

Manuel Calavera 29.05.2018. 13:46
Laptop sa ryzenom 2700, Vegom 56 i 144hz panelom

https://videocardz.com/76295/amd-rad...s-500-notebook

Prvi high end all amd laptop nakon 100 godina, ako ne računamo onoga sa R7 1700 i rx 580 4gb i 60hz panelom kao high end

RaneZ 29.05.2018. 22:57
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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3198756)
Laptop sa ryzenom 2700, Vegom 56 i 144hz panelom
NHF ali ne želim znat koliko traje baterija ili koliko je velik power brick :beer:

Manuel Calavera 30.05.2018. 12:29
Jedno dvaest minuta :D

Treba vidjeti kad se pojavi recenzija. Naravno ne vjerujem da troši kao desktop verzija, ova je kao što se spominje u tekstu ili undervoltana klik ili se radi o nekakvim mobilnim verzijama koje je AMD kažu potvrdio

Uglavnom čisto sumnjam da će biti neki isplativ laptop

beli14 31.05.2018. 13:38
Kada možemo očekivati nove AMD kartice, ako se zna? Nasljednici od RX580, RX570?

syss 31.05.2018. 13:51
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Autor RaneZ (Post 3198926)
NHF ali ne želim znat koliko traje baterija ili koliko je velik power brick :beer:
powerbrick je zapravo 500w napajanje zakeljeno plastikom :D

Manuel Calavera 31.05.2018. 14:36
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Autor beli14 (Post 3199302)
Kada možemo očekivati nove AMD kartice, ako se zna? Nasljednici od RX580, RX570?
Ne zna se ništa službeno. Nagodinu im izlaze 7nm gpu, a za ovu godinu se ne zna dali će išta izaći. Ako izađe može biti samo nešto od postojećeg (još jedan polaris rebrand ili vega, samo na 12nm)

beli14 31.05.2018. 18:28
A ima li išta službeno iz zelenog tabora pošto je gtx 1060 već "stara" podosta?

Max_Damage 31.05.2018. 20:20
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Autor beli14 (Post 3199372)
A ima li išta službeno iz zelenog tabora pošto je gtx 1060 već "stara" podosta?
OT, ali bude nešto oko ljeta ili jeseni

Manuel Calavera 31.05.2018. 23:25
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Autor beli14 (Post 3199372)
A ima li išta službeno iz zelenog tabora pošto je gtx 1060 već "stara" podosta?

imaš nvidia turing temu već neko vrijeme

Chuby 01.06.2018. 19:11
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Autor Manuel Calavera (Post 3199322)
Ne zna se ništa službeno. Nagodinu im izlaze 7nm gpu, a za ovu godinu se ne zna dali će išta izaći. Ako izađe može biti samo nešto od postojećeg (još jedan polaris rebrand ili vega, samo na 12nm)
Znaci ovo sto se spominje Navi za 8. mjesec je definitivno patka?

Manuel Calavera 01.06.2018. 20:08
Nigdje nisam vidio da se spominje navi za ovu godinu. To je službeno potvrđen proizvod za 2019 godinu. Do kraja ove godine eventualno na 7nm možda stigne vega 20, ali to nije consumer proizvod, nego "deep learning" gpu

Manuel Calavera 06.06.2018. 08:10
AMD Demos World’s First 7nm GPU: the New Vega Instinct With 32 GB HBM

AMD Officially Launches RX Vega 56 Nano At Computex 2018 Press Event

Manuel Calavera 07.06.2018. 23:14
AMD’s 7nm VEGA is much smaller than 14nm VEGA (die shot)

Manuel Calavera 12.06.2018. 16:37
Citiraj:
  • Vega 7nm will not be coming to gamers.
  • Navi 10 will be the first Navi part to arrive and will be landing sometime in 2H 2019 or early 2020, depending on a couple of factors. The performance level of this part will be equivalent to Vega and it will be a small GPU based on 7nm.
  • Navi 14 will follow Navi 10 soon after.
  • Navi 20 is going to be the true high-end GPU built on the 7nm node and as things stand right now, you are tentatively looking at it landing sometime around 2021.
  • Navi will also be the first architecture to transition away from GCN (and along with it, the 4096 SP / 64 CU limit that is inherent to the uArch implementation.)
  • ‘Next-Gen’ architecture is the uArch formerly codenamed KUMA internally before AMD decided it didn’t like that name too much (oops) and will be based on the same brand new major architecture that AMD rolls out with Navi.

https://wccftech.com/exclusive-amd-n...dmap-cost-zen/

RaneZ 12.06.2018. 19:29
Mali osvrt na Vegu 64 LC.

Pošteni komad hw-a. Predivna i lijepa.

Driveri? WTF. Ne radi pola toga, neće sejvat postavke, resetiraju se sami od sebe. Probao 3 verzije. Undervolt MUST have osim ako ne želite grijat doma kuću sa 300W toplinskog ispuha.

Igre? A ono. Radi xD Nije glasna ali ima neki zvuk (slično coil whineu) kao mali Krško kad radi. Guta sa undervoltom 230W inaće može potegnut do 400w na turbo postavkama i OC. Perf sigurno bolje od 1070. Nisam raido čmarkove ali sam odigrao par igri i napokon ljepi pubg na 144fpsa.

Mining? IMHO, jedina poštena namjena za istu. Još tiša i još hladnija + melje ko dve 580 (140w) :goood:

Ide nazad u rudnik ili na njusku po većoj cijeni nakon ove objave da ih neće bit. Ja se vraćam zelenima.

aurellie 13.06.2018. 22:37
Je li probao tko rudarit sa novim adrenalin 18.6.1 sa Vegama? Strah me napravit remote update (na brodu sam) ali nekako me svrbi

Manuel Calavera 16.06.2018. 14:43
AMD Sneakily Launches The Radeon Pro V340 – Dual Vega 10 GPU With 32GB HBM2

Manuel Calavera 17.06.2018. 02:12
Sa Forbesa


Citiraj:
Which brings us to, in my eyes, the more interesting revelation. According to my sources, Navi isn't just inside the Sony PS5; it was created for Sony. The vast majority of AMD and Sony's Navi collaboration took place while Raja Koduri -- Radeon Technologies Group boss and chief architect -- was at AMD.
Koduri joined up with Intel late last year as chief architect for its new Core and Visual Computing Group.


But the collaboration came at the expense of Radeon RX Vega and other in-development projects. Allegedly, Koduri saw up to a massive 2/3 of his engineering team devoted exclusively to Navi against his wishes, which resulted in a final RX Vega product Koduri was displeased with as resources and engineering hours were much lower than anticipated. As I mention in my companion report, the implication is that AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su wanted to devote more energy into its semi-custom business than its desktop graphics division.


Taken as a solitary piece of news, this may sound borderline ridiculous. But when zooming out to a wider angle -- as I did today analyzing AMD's history of consumer graphics products and its semi-custom business -- it fits like a glove. The same sources who spoke to me about the PS5 had more to say about AMD's business motivations with Apple, Microsoft and Sony in the link below.


Beyond that, RX Vega has failed to find traction in the market. AMD launched its "Frontier Edition" of Vega that was a confusing (if sexy) hybrid between professional graphics and gaming. This was done before its dedicated RX gaming version to satisfy a promise that Vega would reach consumers within the deadline AMD promised.
Pull on that thread and it sheds more light on Vega's troubled development, due to the majority of Koduri's engineering team being swiped away not just to work on Navi, but to work on Navi for Sony.


On a related note, a new rumor emerged recently about Navi for desktop being merely a midrange part and not competing with Nvidia's high-end GeForce cards. That makes perfect sense if it was developed primarily for a console first.


The other interesting aspect to all of this is that my sources never mentioned Microsoft in the Navi conversations. This is pure speculation, but maybe Microsoft's next Xbox devices -- code-named "Scarlett" -- won't use Navi at all. Perhaps it will use a separate semi-custom solution incorporating Vega, or something else entirely that we're not privy to. Either way, the conversations I had referred to Navi in the past tense, as if it was already finished.


Perhaps Sony is closer to a PS5 than Microsoft is to a next-generation Xbox?

Manuel Calavera 30.06.2018. 01:59
AMD Vega 20 To Get PCIe 4.0 Support on Server Graphics Cards – PCIe 4.0 and PCIe 5.0 Roadmap Reveals Consumer Platform Adoption Still Far Away


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